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DrMaddVibe Offline
#1 Posted:
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TAXMAN...he's a real thief!


Geithner: Taxes on ‘Small Business’ Must Rise So Government Doesn’t ‘Shrink’
Thursday, June 23, 2011 - By Terence P. Jeffrey

(CNSNews.com) - Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner told the House Small Business Committee on Wednesday that the Obama administration believes taxes on small business must increase so the administration does not have to “shrink the overall size of government programs.”

The administration’s plan to raise the tax rate on small businesses is part of its plan to raise taxes on all Americans who make more than $250,000 per year—including businesses that file taxes the same way individuals and families do.

Geithner’s explanation of the administration's small-business tax plan came in an exchange with first-term Rep. Renee Ellmers (R.-N.C.). Ellmers, a nurse, decided to run for the U.S. House of Representatives in 2010 after she became active in the grass-roots opposition to President Barack Obama’s proposed health-care reform plan in 2009.

“Overwhelmingly, the businesses back home and across the country continue to tell us that regulation, lack of access to capital, taxation, fear of taxation, and just the overwhelming uncertainties that our businesses face is keeping them from hiring,” Ellmers told Geithner. “They just simply cannot.”

She then challenged Geithner on the administration’s tax plan.

“Looking into the future, you are supporting the idea of taxation, increasing taxes on those who make $250,000 or more. Those are our business owners,” said Ellmers.

Geithner initially responded by saying that the administration’s planned tax increase would hit “three percent of your small businesses.”

Ellmers then said: “Sixty-four percent of jobs that are created in this country are for small business.”

Geithner conceded the point, but then suggested the administration’s planned tax increase on small businesses would be “good for growth.”

“No, that's right. I agree with that,” said Geithner. “But just to put it in perspective, it's important to recognize why are we doing this. You know, our deficits are 10 percent of GDP, higher than they've been since any time in the postwar period really. We have a big hole to dig out of, and we have to figure out how to do that in a way that's balanced, good for growth, fair to people as a whole.”

Geithner, continuing, argued that if the administration did not extract a trillion dollars in new revenue from its plan to increase taxes on people earning more than $250,000, including small businesses, the government would in effect “finance” what he called a “tax benefit” for those people.

“We're not doing it because we want to do it, we're doing it because if we don't do it, then, again, I have to go out and borrow a trillion dollars over the next 10 years to finance those tax benefits for the top 2 percent, and I don't think I can justify doing that,” said Geithner.

Not only that, he argued, but cutting spending by as much as the “modest change in revenue” (i.e. $1 trillion) the administration expects from raising taxes on small business would likely have more of a “negative economic impact” than the tax increases themselves would.

“And if we were to cut spending by that magnitude to do it, you'd be putting a huge additional burden on the economy, probably greater negative economic impact than that modest change in revenue,” said Geithner.

When Ellmers finally told Geithner that “the point is we need jobs,” he responded that the administration felt it had “no alternative” but to raise taxes on small businesses because otherwise “you have to shrink the overall size of government programs”—including federal education spending.

“We're not doing it because we want to do it, we're doing it because we see no alternative to a balanced approach to reduce our fiscal deficits,” said Geithner.
“If you don't touch revenues and you leave in place the tax cuts for the top 2 percent that were put in place by President Bush, if you leave those in place and you're trying to bring our deficits down over time, then you have to do exceptionally deep cuts in benefits for middle-class Americans and you have to shrink the overall size of government programs, things like education, to levels that we could not accept as a country,” said Geithner.

“So to do a balanced approach to reduce our deficits you have to make modest changes in revenues,” he said. “There's no realistic opportunity to do alternatives to doing that.”

According to historical budget tables published by the White House Office of Management and Budget, federal spending has climbed from $2.89 trillion in 2008—the year President Obama took office—to $3.82 trillion this year, an increase of approximately $930 billion.

Meanwhile, according to the National Center for Educational Statistics, although federal education spending in inflation-adjusted dollars has jumped from $71.64 billion in 1995—when Bill Clinton was president--to $163.07 billion in 2009—when Barack Obama was president—federal spending still accounted for only 8.2 percent of spending for public primary and secondary education in America in the 2007-2008 school year. Historically and presently in the United States, local and state governments have funded the cost of public education.
ZRX1200 Offline
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To cut spending puts a huge burdon on the economy?!!!

Where the **** did this azz clown go to school......wake up Amerika and take your country back.
HockeyDad Offline
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We definitely would not want to shrink the overall size of government programs. Therefore we must feed the beast that "we the people" created.


Businesses respond to tax increases by hiring. Oh wait....that's not it. Businesses respond to tax increases by raising prices, offsetting the increased cost by firing people, or moving jobs overseas. Suck it up people and take one for the team.

The Bush tax cuts need to be repealed to feed the beast. All of them....every bracket. No more of this over $200-250K crap. All of the tax cuts. Once this is done, then we need to start having an adult conversation about new taxes to every single bracket and to corporations.

The beast must be fed and we will not choose austerity.


MTappert Offline
#4 Posted:
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or we can make the beast smaller. much smaller.

we are a republic of states, what the federal government is doing with its hand in so many different facets of our lives is beyond me.
Stinkdyr Offline
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God forbid the "gubment shrinks" any!!!!!!!!!!!


Frikkin gooberment workers and politicians.......all suck $.


Time to grow up and repeal the welfare state....before it's too late.


d'oh!
HockeyDad Offline
#6 Posted:
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MTappert wrote:
or we can make the beast smaller. much smaller.




Bless your heart! I find the naivety refreshing!
teedubbya Offline
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it's making me a little misty
HockeyDad Offline
#8 Posted:
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Stinkdyr wrote:

Time to grow up and repeal the welfare state....before it's too late.


d'oh!




It really never is too late. The welfare state is self-repealing in that it ultimately collapses around itself when the money/credit runs out. If foreign creditors stopped loaning money to the US government right now for a period of 6 months, we would have the trigger for the collapse. It is just that simple.

The only question is whether to file for national bankruptcy or embark or very painful austerity.
MTappert Offline
#9 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
Bless your heart! I find the naivety refreshing!



makes me want to start a career in politics...


wait... i thought politians were "public servants" why do they call it a "career" d'oh!
DrMaddVibe Offline
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Posts: 55,489
MTappert wrote:
makes me want to start a career in politics...


wait... i thought politians were "public servants" why do they call it a "career" d'oh!



They got's bennies!!!whip
HockeyDad Offline
#11 Posted:
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We've outsourced so much responsibility to government that they got a lot of public servanting to do! It can last a lifetime!
Stinkdyr Offline
#12 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
It really never is too late. The welfare state is self-repealing in that it ultimately collapses around itself when the money/credit runs out. If foreign creditors stopped loaning money to the US government right now for a period of 6 months, we would have the trigger for the collapse. It is just that simple.

The only question is whether to file for national bankruptcy or embark or very painful austerity.


Let the painful austerity commence!!

Let's begin by putting an end to welfare breeding.

Applause
MTappert Offline
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i read an article a while ago... something about survival of the fittest... i think the blogger was Darwin something... who can remember...
DrMaddVibe Offline
#14 Posted:
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Cliff Clavin?
daveincincy Offline
#15 Posted:
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Posts: 20,033
HockeyDad wrote:
It really never is too late. The welfare state is self-repealing in that it ultimately collapses around itself when the money/credit runs out. If foreign creditors stopped loaning money to the US government right now for a period of 6 months, we would have the trigger for the collapse. It is just that simple.

The only question is whether to file for national bankruptcy or embark or very painful austerity.


Didn't need no welfare state.
Everybody pulled his weight.
Gee, our old LaSalle ran great.
Those were the days.
And you know who you were then, girls were girls and men were men.
Mister, we could use a man like Herbert Hoover again.
People seemed to be content. Fifty dollars paid the rent.
Freaks were in a circus tent.
Now they run the government.
Where are those days?
teedubbya Offline
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Well, come on all of you, big strong men,
Uncle Sam needs your help again.
He's got himself in a terrible jam
Way down yonder in Afghanastan
So put down your books and pick up a gun,
We're gonna have a whole lotta fun.

And it's one, two, three,
What are we fighting for ?
Don't ask me, I don't give a damn,
Next stop is Afghanastan;
And it's five, six, seven,
Open up the pearly gates,
Well there ain't no time to wonder why,
Whoopee! we're all gonna die.

Come on Wall Street, don't be slow,
Why man, this is war au-go-go
There's plenty good money to be made
By supplying the Army with the tools of its trade,
But just hope and pray that if they drop the bomb,
They drop it on the Taliban.

And it's one, two, three,
What are we fighting for ?
Don't ask me, I don't give a damn,
Next stop is Afghanastan.
And it's five, six, seven,
Open up the pearly gates,
Well there ain't no time to wonder why
Whoopee! we're all gonna die.

Well, come on generals, let's move fast;
Your big chance has come at last.
Now you can go out and get those reds
'Cause the only good commie is the one that's dead
And you know that peace can only be won
When we've blown 'em all to kingdom come.

And it's one, two, three,
What are we fighting for ?
Don't ask me, I don't give a damn,
Next stop is Afghanastan;
And it's five, six, seven,
Open up the pearly gates,
Well there ain't no time to wonder why
Whoopee! we're all gonna die.

Come on mothers throughout the land,
Pack your boys off to Afghanastan.
Come on fathers, and don't hesitate
To send your sons off before it's too late.
And you can be the first ones in your block
To have your boy come home in a box.

And it's one, two, three
What are we fighting for ?
Don't ask me, I don't give a damn,
Next stop is Afghanastan.
And it's five, six, seven,
Open up the pearly gates,
Well there ain't no time to wonder why,
Whoopee! we're all gonna die.

daveincincy Offline
#17 Posted:
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Posts: 20,033
Good Times.
Any time you meet a payment.
Good Times.
Any time you need a friend.
Good Times.
Any time you're out from under.

Not getting hastled, not getting hustled.
Keepin' your head above water,
Making a wave when you can.

Temporary lay offs.
Good Times.
Easy credit rip offs.
Good Times.
Scratchin' and surviving.
Good Times.
Hangin in a chow line
Good Times.
Ain't we lucky we got 'em
Good Times.
teedubbya Offline
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A horse is a horse, of course, of course,
And no one can talk to a horse of course
That is, of course, unless the horse is the famous Mister Ed.

Go right to the source and ask the horse
He'll give you the answer that you'll endorse.
He's always on a steady course.
Talk to Mister Ed.

People yakkity-yak the street and waste your time of day
But Mr. Ed will never speak unless he has something to say

A horse is a horse, of course, of course,
And this one'll talk 'til his voice is hoarse.
You never heard of a talking horse?

Well listen to this: "I'm Mister Ed."
teedubbya Offline
#19 Posted:
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Come ride the little train that is rolling down the tracks to the junction.
(Petticoat Junction)
Forget about your cares, it is time to relax at the junction.
(Petticoat Junction)

Lotsa curves, you bet. Even more when you get
To the junction, Petticoat Junction.

There's a little hotel called the Shady Rest at the junction.
(Petticoat Junction)
It is run by Kate, come and be her guest at the junction.
(Petticaor Junction)
And that's Uncle Joe, he's a movin' kind of slow at the junction,
Petticoat Junction.

DadZilla3 Offline
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Posts: 4,633
MTappert wrote:
or we can make the beast smaller. much smaller.

we are a republic of states, what the federal government is doing with its hand in so many different facets of our lives is beyond me.


But...but...but...what about the chirrun?
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