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If I only had a heart . . . . .

If?

Okay...IF only your dad wudda pulled out we wouldn't have to hear your lousy whining from thread to thread!

DMV is selectively pro choice!

And every developing country that has tried it. Sure it hurt their financial credibility for a while, but 5-10 years later, they got back on track!

Steven Tyler says we should eat the rich . . . .

The biggest problem with just defaulting is there is a trickle down affect to that as well.

The foreigners just get screwed and eventually may lend us money again or maybe not.

Trust funds like Social Security would get hammered. The Social Security laws are self-fixing because we can only pay out what we take in. Social Security benefits would fall to 75% of what they are now immediately and then decrease over time as more baby boomers retire. (It is what is projected to happen around 2037 anyway so it would just be a rapid acceleration)

The worst hit would be to all the domestic bond holders....all the pensions, mutual funds, and 401Ks that are packed full of government bonds. We've been told that we need a stock/bond mixture/diversification based on age to retirement and we have dutifully listened.

There would be some significant drops in standards of living and retirement.

tax things like marijuana, online poker and sports betting...

it probably wont amount to much but a few hundred million dollars extra is a good start.


but my real answer if reduce government spending... so much waste.

BAN MTAPPERT!!!!!!!!!

Did he whine like you too?

Is Brewha a Vancouverian?
Vancouverite?

Either way, I think you're coaching him on the whole not-answering-a-simple-question tactic.

Bravo.
Or is it Braveau?

This is America fancy boy. We don't need none of that spanish crap.

Dude, you’re living in a river in Egypt.

However –
We should repeal the Bush-era tax cuts for those over $200k.
You’d agree with that right?

Seems that what you postulate is that people (assuming liberals qualify) are wrong when they cannot explain in full detail. If there is not a simple answer, their position cannot be correct.

So show us the way! Tell us, do the rich pay their fair share and give us the specifics. Give us the simple and clear evidence that will end the debate. Tell us the amount of correction if any and share the math. Or have you no opinion?

Brew,
if I told you straight up that the rich paid more than the fair share, then I'd at least try to back it up with facts and/or opinions.

You came in like gang busters, declaring that it was stupid to think the rich paid enough. That their contributions were not fair (or fare, as you so want to type).

Then you haven't the facts, the conviction, nor the fortitude to respond with even a hint of where you postulated this premise.
I asked a question, and your "answer" is to ask me a question.

I am dissapointed. But not nearly as much as you may have been when you learned that Rachael Maddow plays for the other team.
For it's obvious that you get your "facts" from her.

In the meantime, if we're talking "Personal Income Tax" then here are the facts:

The top 1% wage earners pay about 40% of all Federal Personal Income Taxes collected.
The top 5% covers about 55%
And the top 25% pay all but 15% of all federal income taxes collected (that's 85% in case you don't have a calculator).
*These numbers are from 2008, the last year of GWB. They may have changed slightly but you get the point.

Fair?
I wouldn't want to influence you with my opinion.

Yeah, I'll read, in chronological order, 80 posts... NOT. It was enough to read your post above that said repeal the "Bush Tax Cuts" for 200k and over.

And seems to me, even with continual prompmting, you have yet to state what you think is a "fair" amount of my money to take.

Here's an idea your liberal mind may embrace. How about ALL our money goes to the government then when we need some we ask for and if we provide a good enough reason for wanting it we get it. You know, kinda like an allowance or something...

Go march to save the tress or to legalize hemp or something, please, just get your hand out of my pocket.

OK – Who has been ratting out our tax law to the French?

Yes OldSchool, not reading the entire thread can leave you a bit in the dark . . . . Don’t hit you head on a wall.

And I think you should back off on the laxatives.

I've been here a long time I don't feel the need to read EVERY post. Here is a random selection of replies in this thread.

#5 - Will hemp grow in Minot..??

#13 - DrafterX wrote: Deport the Anchor Babies!!! Instead of seals...club the anchor babies!!!

#28 - SAVE THE STARFISH!

#63 - Brewha wrote: Steven Tyler says we should eat the rich . . . . He is an American Idol judge.

#73 - Besides if everyone would just hum along everything would be ok

Uhh! Awww, sookie sookie now!
Hey! Oww, uhh! Come on, baby!
Hey there, Sugar Darlin',
Let me tell you something
Girl, I've been trying to say, now.
You look so sweet,
And you're so doggone fine.
I just can't get you out of my mind.
You've become a sweet taste in my mouth, now.
And I want you to be my spouse,
So that we can live happily, nah-nah,
In a great big ol' roomy house.
And I know you're gonna groove me, baby.
Ahh, yeah, now.
You make me feel good inside.
Come on, and groove me, baby.
I need you to groove me.
Ahhh, yeah, now, now, darling.
Uhh! Come on, come on!
Hey! Uhh!
Hey there, Sugar Darlin',
Come on, give me something
Girl, I've been needing for days.
Yes, I'm good, good loving,
With plenty, plenty hugging.
Ooh, you cute little thang, you.
Girl, between you and me, nah-nah,
We don't need no company.
No other man, no other girl
Can enter into our world,
Not as long as you groove me, baby.
Ahh, come on.
Make me feel good inside.
Come on and groove me, baby.
Move me, baby.
Ahh, sock it to me, mama.
Uhh! Ahh, I like it like that, baby.
Uhh! Groove me, baby! Hey! Uhh!
Groove me, darling!
Come on, come on.
I need you to sock it to me, mama.
Come on and groove me, baby.
Hey! Uhh! Good, God!
It makes me feel so good inside, mama.
Now, come on, come on, and uhh,
Groove me, baby, groove me, baby.
Ahh, sock it to me,
Sock it to me,
Rock it to me.
Come on, come on!
Come on!
And uhh,
Groove me, mama, I want you to
Groove me!

Have I made my point?

Brew,
Ok, so we're not talking about income tax. Fair enough.

So, do the truly wealthy pay their fair share?
At the risk of soundling like John Kerry: Yes.
And No.

Some absolutely do. In terms of creating jobs and charitible contributions, I'd even venture to say that MOST pay more than their fair share even if it's indirectly so.

Some, however, are misers. But even they pay a usage tax whenever they buy a yacht, or pay real estate taxes on their 14th home. Or pay the feds on the capital gains when lots of their numbers are transferred to somebody elses numbers.

You just don't see it.
And I'm sure there are exceptions.

But don't ever fall into the trap of thinking that the Rich are getting a free ride.


As for the Bush tax cuts?
You shouldn't fixate on such an inconsequential tidbit.
You want to bash Bush, then look no further than the war. It begins and ends there.

And if we weren't so afraid of giving the apearance of engaing in protectionism, then we'd be more focussed on giving our manufacturing base a boost during these wars.
Sure, we don't care where our TV's are made at walmart. But why not demand 100% American components in our weapons and our armoured vehicles and our military radars, etc etc etc?
Why give a bazillion dollar contract to France's Air Bus rather than our own Boeing?

You get the idea.

In the meantime, don't look at the wealthy with such disdain. If they did it to us worker bees, you'd call them pompous or even worse. Yet you're doing it to them without even knowing the facts.

Well taken point –

With the research, I redress to call them the Ruling/Capitalist Class – and they are not contributing enough.


“How much is enough???? Aaaaaaah!!!!!”

Spoken like a true bleeding heart....

I say we eliminate AM radio too. It serves no purpose.