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Unemployment rate rises to 9.2%
apachelm Offline
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wonder if the POTUS will laugh it off again?
HockeyDad Offline
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Businesses do not want to hire in the anti-business climate that President Obama created. The solution is to raise corporate taxes so we can increase government hiring.
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The Blame the Republicans presser starts at 10:35 EST...

horse horse horse
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This clown has been so wrong about EVERYTHING I wouldn't trust his word if he said the sun would rise in the morning tommorow...d'oh!
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It's been 249 days since the Republicans took over the House vowing to create jobs. Where are the jobs?

(I think it's 249)
HockeyDad Offline
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Prolly stuck in the Senate or the White House.
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You want jobs? Get Abdul Mustafa off of the following topics

1. Tax the Rich
2. Obama(couldn't)Care(less)

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Delayed by those Redlight cameras
HockeyDad Offline
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It is more than just "Tax the Rich". The bigger threat is "Tax the Corporations!"

Everyone knows that ultimately the solution to our budget deficits, the national debt, preserving government size, and our precarious credit rating is to tax everyone and that leads to an overall slowdown in personal and corporate spending.

Reduce personal and corporate spending.........reduce jobs.

FuzzNJ Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
It is more than just "Tax the Rich". The bigger threat is "Tax the Corporations!"

Everyone knows that ultimately the solution to our budget deficits, the national debt, preserving government size, and our precarious credit rating is to tax everyone and that leads to an overall slowdown in personal and corporate spending.

Reduce personal and corporate spending.........reduce jobs.



Corporations don't pay anywhere close to 35%. GE payed 7.9 and the majority pay around half of the 35%. Tax from corporate profits is around 1% of GDP, really low. They have access to the greatest market in the world (for now) and the loopholes should be removed before the nominal rate is reduced.
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When you remove the loopholes, profits will be reduced, prices will be raised, or business will move offshore. If profits are reduced, stock prices are hit and that hurts 401Ks and pension funds.

When we go after the corporations, the law of unintended consequences comes into play.
FuzzNJ Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
When you remove the loopholes, profits will be reduced, prices will be raised, or business will move offshore. If profits are reduced, stock prices are hit and that hurts 401Ks and pension funds.

When we go after the corporations, the law of unintended consequences comes into play.


Corporate profits are at record highs, even with an 'anti-business' President.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/profit-chart.JPG

The no more taxes because it will kill the economy etc is pure propaganda. Taxes were cut a few times the last 10 years and it was supposed to stimulate the ecomony and create jobs, but boom it went anyway.
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Taxes were cut a few times the last 10 years and it was supposed to stimulate the economy and create jobs, but boom it went anyway.



You left out the part about how it stimulated the economy and created jobs....then went boom. Boom happens.
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CBS was running interference for BHO this morning......its a TRAINING issue not a LACK OF JOBS!

yes more govt. programs!!!!!!!!



Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee..........
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HockeyDad wrote:
You left out the part about how it stimulated the economy and created jobs....then went boom. Boom happens.


Because it didn't happen. Average annual increase W's first term 0.0, second +0.1

As a comparison under Clinton, where taxes were actually raised, first term +2.6 second +2.3

Funny too, the highest since I've been alive has been Johnson +3.9 and Carter +3.2, then Clinton. Strange, huh?
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Clinton's two terms were coming out of a recession. Bush's two terms were going into a recession.

So you are going to stand on "Raising taxes creates jobs"?
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Deviation of talking points results in loosing your card.
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The only thing that is shovel-ready is this douchknuckle's speeches...Frying pan
apachelm Offline
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Because it didn't happen. Average annual increase W's first term 0.0, second +0.1

As a comparison under Clinton, where taxes were actually raised, first term +2.6 second +2.3

Funny too, the highest since I've been alive has been Johnson +3.9 and Carter +3.2, then Clinton. Strange, huh?



But according to the Dems this economy has to do with the prior administration's policies not this one. So that means that the Republican Presidents set the table for Carter and Clinton right? And that Clinton set the table for W?
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HockeyDad wrote:
You left out the part about how it stimulated the economy and created jobs....then went boom. Boom happens.


First, are you going to admit that the statement above is total crap and you just made it up?

HockeyDad wrote:
Clinton's two terms were coming out of a recession. Bush's two terms were going into a recession.


Ah, so Obama now is inheriting a situation much much worse than what Clinton inherited, right? Doesn't seem like you are willing to cut him the same slack. I wonder why that is? I thought you said you were logical and not a partisan hack?

HockeyDad wrote:
So you are going to stand on "Raising taxes creates jobs"?


No, I'm saying that cutting taxes does not necessarily equal creating jobs and raising taxes does not necessarily equal losing jobs. The entire argument is simplistic, stupid and made for people like us to argue about when the real situation is much, much more complicated. The cutting taxes thing is merely the Republican party looking out for its base while framing it as a job creating package.
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In absolute numbers job creation sucked during the Bush years in the USA but unemployment was quite reasonable. Jobs were created, the economy was stimulated, and we emerged from a burst bubble and inflated another bubble....which then burst.

Obama inherited a much worse situation than Clinton or Bush inherited. His mistake was he overpromised and underdelivered and the only part of the economy he helped was the government sector. Obama inflated a government bubble. It is showing signs of bursting.

Corporations and small business cut to the bone and got lean and they have no reason to not stay lean. My point has always been if you go after them and their profits to further inflate the government bubble, don't expect them to not continue to run lean or even get leaner.

Cutting taxes is a non-starter issue.



...and what is up with the partisan hack comment? Don't go into whiny bitch mode.
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HockeyDad wrote:
In absolute numbers job creation sucked during the Bush years in the USA but unemployment was quite reasonable. Jobs were created, the economy was stimulated, and we emerged from a burst bubble and inflated another bubble....which then burstu.


http://static8.businessinsider.com/image/4bb614577f8b9a1667ae0100/chart-020510-update.gif

The near collapse of the economy can not be blamed on any previous administration as it happened at the end of Bush's term. That chart shows the turn around in jobs, as pitiful as it actually is, since Obama took over. It's still not pretty, and I think the administration could do much, much more and stop acting like Republicans which would make the situation better for the middle class.

HockeyDad wrote:
Obama inherited a much worse situation than Clinton or Bush inherited. His mistake was he overpromised and underdelivered and the only part of the economy he helped was the government sector. Obama inflated a government bubble. It is showing signs of bursting.


The government sector, you mean teachers, police people like that. "Government sector" makes it sound so god awful. Yes, the stimulous given to the states was to help local and state governments deal with their budget shortfalls to help avoid laying off teachers and police and other loval government workers. This way our kids could keep going to school in classes that weren't 60 kids large, police could keep patrolling the streets, garbage could be picked up, you know, the evil stuff government does.

HockeyDad wrote:
Corporations and small business cut to the bone and got lean and they have no reason to not stay lean. My point has always been if you go after them and their profits to further inflate the government bubble, don't expect them to not continue to run lean or even get leaner.

Cutting taxes is a non-starter issue.


...and what is up with the partisan hack comment? Don't go into whiny bitch mode.


Because you have said over and over how you are not one, and how you critisize everyone equally. It is obvious from the logic (cough) you used in the post I responded to that you did not do that at all. No whiny bitch thing, an observation in an ongoing conversation.

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You just played the government sector = teachers and cops card that you complained about on another thread.


cacman Offline
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wanna fix unemployment... do what three previous Presidents had the kahuna's to do and throw all the illegal immigrants out of the country and quit paying for their free health insurance and other benefits. Then make those that have made a lifestyle (and pass the habit from generation to generation) out of living on unemployment and welfare work those jobs and earn their benefits.
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cacman wrote:
wanna fix unemployment... do what three previous Presidents had the kahuna's to do and throw all the illegal immigrants out of the country and quit paying for their free health insurance and other benefits. Then make those that have made a lifestyle (and pass the habit from generation to generation) out of living on unemployment and welfare work those jobs and earn their benefits.



Without the illegals, prisoners and the dead who would vote for the demoCrats?
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HockeyDad wrote:
You just played the government sector = teachers and cops card that you complained about on another thread.




I'm not aware of that, can you show me where you think I did that and what it has to do with this?
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cacman wrote:
wanna fix unemployment... do what three previous Presidents had the kahuna's to do and throw all the illegal immigrants out of the country and quit paying for their free health insurance and other benefits. Then make those that have made a lifestyle (and pass the habit from generation to generation) out of living on unemployment and welfare work those jobs and earn their benefits.


Illegal immigrants get free health care?
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The bottom line is Obama and his crowd have NO IDEA how to get an economy going...if they did it would be going by now. These people are idealogical fools and idiots and need to get out of office as soon as possible.
FuzzNJ Offline
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robertknyc wrote:
The bottom line is Obama and his crowd have NO IDEA how to get an economy going...if they did it would be going by now. These people are idealogical fools and idiots and need to get out of office as soon as possible.


So tell me then, who does? Boehner? Cantor? Romney or Bachmann? Surely the same policies the country has used for decades, since Reagan, aren't working.
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robertknyc wrote:
The bottom line is Obama and his crowd have NO IDEA how to get an economy going...if they did it would be going by now. These people are idealogical fools and idiots and need to get out of office as soon as possible.


Oh, stop pouting – You can vote for Captain America at the next election.
Now go out play while the big people talk . . . .
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Illegal immigrants get free health care?

Review Obama's Health Care Bill...

At age 76 when you most need it, you are not eligible for cancer treatment

What Nancy Pelosi didn't want us to know until after the healthcare bill was passed. Remember she said, "pass it and then read it!!." Here it is!

______________________________

Obama Care Highlighted by Page Number


THE CARE BILL HB 3200


JUDGE KITHIL IS THE 2ND OFFICIAL WHO HAS OUTLINED THESE PARTS OF THE CARE BILL.

Judge Kithil of Marble Falls, TX - highlighted the most egregious pages of HB3200

Please read this........ especially the reference to pages 58 & 59

JUDGE KITHIL wrote:

** Page 50/section 152: The bill will provide insurance to all non-U.S. residents, even if they are here illegally.

** Page 58 and 59: The government will have real-time access to an individual's bank account and will have the authority to make electronic fund transfers from those accounts.

** Page 65/section 164: The plan will be subsidized (by the government) for all union members, union retirees and for community organizations (such as the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now - ACORN).

** Page 203/line 14-15: The tax imposed under this section will not be treated as a tax. (How could anybody in their right mind come up with that?)

** Page 241 and 253: Doctors will all be paid the same regardless of specialty, and the government will set all doctors' fees..

** Page 272. section 1145: Cancer hospital will ration care according to the patient's age.

** Page 317 and 321: The government will impose a prohibition on hospital expansion; however, communities may petition for an exception.

** Page 425, line 4-12: The government mandates advance-care planning consultations. Those on Social Security will be required to attend an "end-of-life planning" seminar every five years. (Death counseling..)

** Page 429, line 13-25: The government will specify which doctors can write an end-of-life order.

HAD ENOUGH???? Judge Kithil then goes on to identify:

"Finally, it is specifically stated that this bill will not apply to members of Congress. Members of Congress are already exempt from the Social Security system, and have a well-funded private plan that covers their retirement needs. If they were on our Social Security plan, I believe they would find a very quick 'fix' to make the plan financially sound for their future."

~ Honorable David Kithil of Marble Falls, Texas
apachelm Offline
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Illegal immigrants get free health care?


2-1/2 years ago my wife and I paid about $5500 to have our little girl. She new an illegal woman who had a baby about 2 weeks after we did who paid nothing nada zilch. Well maybe like $50 when she first went to see if she was pregnant.
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The person who should know how to get economy going is the person who applied for the job, said he knew how, and accepted the job.

1. Overpromise
2. Underdeliver
3. Inflate the government sector bubble
4. Rapidly increase the national debt
D. Declare the rich to be the enemy and undertaxed
6. Declare business to be the enemy and undertaxed
7. Latch onto anything "green"

Sit back and wait for corporations and small business to hire and act surprised when they don't.

It definitely isn't the same old approach.
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people always forgot to figure all the other taxes corporations pay. add in the amount of employer paid payroll taxes and refigure the numbers. it might surprise you
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When Captain America throws his mighty shield,

All those who chose to oppose his shield must yield.


If he’s led to a fight and a duel is due,

Then the red and white and the blue’ll come through


When Captain America throws his mighty shield.
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Double the % and its probably more accurate.
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MTappert wrote:
people always forgot to figure all the other taxes corporations pay. add in the amount of employer paid payroll taxes and refigure the numbers. it might surprise you


I have to pay 7.65% in employer's share of FICA, 1.2% for NJ UI/DIS, and another 15% for government mandated Worker's Comp Insurance. Add health insurance and other benefits and it costs me well over $30 an hour to pay an employee $20, which if he's lucky, he gets to take home $15 of. Out of that $15 he has to pay 7% Sales Tax on his purchases, and if he's blessed enough to own a home in this state, another $5,000 to $8,000 a year in property taxes.

Yes, business and employees are all under taxed. And the powers that be can't understand why "greedy" businesses aren't hiring.
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dpnewell wrote:
I have to pay 7.65% in employer's share of FICA, 1.2% for NJ UI/DIS, and another 15% for government mandated Worker's Comp Insurance. Add health insurance and other benefits and it costs me well over $30 an hour to pay an employee $20, which if he's lucky, he gets to take home $15 of. Out of that $15 he has to pay 7% Sales Tax on his purchases, and if he's blessed enough to own a home in this state, another $5,000 to $8,000 a year in property taxes.

Yes, business and employees are all under taxed. And the powers that be can't understand why "greedy" businesses aren't hiring.



case. point. match. set. Herfing
MTappert Offline
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multiply that by some of these huge corporations and MILLIONS of employees... all that adds up pretty quick.
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It's simple dolts, follow the Reagan model.
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robertknyc wrote:
It's simple dolts, follow the Reagan model.



I love Reagan. But I do remember defiending him because the deficit had gotten huge (for that time). I guess things have changed.
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Deficits went up because Dems did not cut spending like they promised (surprise, surpise)....revenue nearly double under Reagan.
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cacman wrote:
Review Obama's Health Care Bill...

At age 76 when you most need it, you are not eligible for cancer treatment

What Nancy Pelosi didn't want us to know until after the healthcare bill was passed. Remember she said, "pass it and then read it!!." Here it is!

______________________________

Obama Care Highlighted by Page Number


THE CARE BILL HB 3200


JUDGE KITHIL IS THE 2ND OFFICIAL WHO HAS OUTLINED THESE PARTS OF THE CARE BILL.

Judge Kithil of Marble Falls, TX - highlighted the most egregious pages of HB3200

Please read this........ especially the reference to pages 58 & 59

JUDGE KITHIL wrote:

** Page 50/section 152: The bill will provide insurance to all non-U.S. residents, even if they are here illegally.

** Page 58 and 59: The government will have real-time access to an individual's bank account and will have the authority to make electronic fund transfers from those accounts.

** Page 65/section 164: The plan will be subsidized (by the government) for all union members, union retirees and for community organizations (such as the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now - ACORN).

** Page 203/line 14-15: The tax imposed under this section will not be treated as a tax. (How could anybody in their right mind come up with that?)

** Page 241 and 253: Doctors will all be paid the same regardless of specialty, and the government will set all doctors' fees..

** Page 272. section 1145: Cancer hospital will ration care according to the patient's age.

** Page 317 and 321: The government will impose a prohibition on hospital expansion; however, communities may petition for an exception.

** Page 425, line 4-12: The government mandates advance-care planning consultations. Those on Social Security will be required to attend an "end-of-life planning" seminar every five years. (Death counseling..)

** Page 429, line 13-25: The government will specify which doctors can write an end-of-life order.

HAD ENOUGH???? Judge Kithil then goes on to identify:

"Finally, it is specifically stated that this bill will not apply to members of Congress. Members of Congress are already exempt from the Social Security system, and have a well-funded private plan that covers their retirement needs. If they were on our Social Security plan, I believe they would find a very quick 'fix' to make the plan financially sound for their future."

~ Honorable David Kithil of Marble Falls, Texas



Oh, LMAO, you fell for one of those spam email lies!!!!

You gullible moron. Don't you ever look at things to see it they are true?

SEC. 152. PROHIBITING DISCRIMINATION IN HEALTH CARE.

(a) In General- Except as otherwise explicitly permitted by this Act and by subsequent regulations consistent with this Act, all health care and related services (including insurance coverage and public health activities) covered by this Act shall be provided without regard to personal characteristics extraneous to the provision of high quality health care or related services.

(b) Implementation- To implement the requirement set forth in subsection (a), the Secretary of Health and Human Services shall, not later than 18 months after the date of the enactment of this Act, promulgate such regulations as are necessary or appropriate to insure that all health care and related services (including insurance coverage and public health activities) covered by this Act are provided (whether directly or through contractual, licensing, or other arrangements) without regard to personal characteristics extraneous to the provision of high quality health care or related services.

And here is the real pertinant section to what you are complaining about:

SEC. 246. NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS.

Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.

http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h3200/text

Holy crap.
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apachelm wrote:
2-1/2 years ago my wife and I paid about $5500 to have our little girl. She new an illegal woman who had a baby about 2 weeks after we did who paid nothing nada zilch. Well maybe like $50 when she first went to see if she was pregnant.


Because she got free health care from the government? I don't think so.
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All hail King Ronnie – Who did no wrong – Who slayed the Beast of Recreational Drugs – Who sped up the highways to 55 – ALL HAIL!
FuzzNJ Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
The person who should know how to get economy going is the person who applied for the job, said he knew how, and accepted the job.

1. Overpromise
2. Underdeliver
3. Inflate the government sector bubble
4. Rapidly increase the national debt
D. Declare the rich to be the enemy and undertaxed
6. Declare business to be the enemy and undertaxed
7. Latch onto anything "green"

Sit back and wait for corporations and small business to hire and act surprised when they don't.

It definitely isn't the same old approach.


I love how you can just ignore all the wrong crap you throw out there when called on it or ignore questions asked to you and just keep on going like a little energizer bunny as if nothing ever happened.
cacman Offline
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Oh, LMAO, you fell for one of those spam email lies!!!!

You gullible moron. Don't you ever look at things to see it they are true?

Holy crap.

gullible... maybe!!! But I certainly believe it seeing free health-care, food, homes, and more given away free everyday to illegal immigrants, and others that have no desire to work other than putting their hand-out for more.

It may not be written... but it certainly is happening right now!!!

So... phfffft!!!
FuzzNJ Offline
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robertknyc wrote:
Deficits went up because Dems did not cut spending like they promised (surprise, surpise)....revenue nearly double under Reagan.


The dems increased the defense budget under Reagan from 4-6 % of GDP? What Reagan did best was shift the tax burden from the wealthy, ie capital gains, corporations and old investment to new investment and payroll taxes, aka the middle class, where it still is today.

But dp will still blame the liberals for that.
apachelm Offline
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Because she got free health care from the government? I don't think so.


The State of California government YES!
FuzzNJ Offline
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cacman wrote:
gullible... maybe!!! But I certainly believe it seeing free health-care, food, homes, and more given away free everyday to illegal immigrants, and others that have no desire to work other than putting their hand-out for more.

It may not be written... but it certainly is happening right now!!!

So... phfffft!!!



So it's not true, but I feel it's going to be true in the future and actually is happening even though it isn't in the way I said it was, so I'm still right and poopy on you?

That's essentially what you're saying. You live if a fact free, faith based world outside of reality and shouldn't be allowed to vote or even participate in conversations with adults.
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