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Balanced Budget Amendment,,, Yay or Nay...
wheelrite Offline
#1 Posted:
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I say yes.
what rational reason is there for not having one ?

what say you ?
itsawaldo Offline
#2 Posted:
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I was just asking myself the same question as I read the news on my laptop.
Cut cap and balance-regardless of political leaning would be good for our country. Simple as that, it is the right thing to do to help ensure our nations health and prosperity.
I'm for it.
dubleuhb Offline
#3 Posted:
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There is no reason not to. Washington has for to long spent more than they have and unfortunately we are broke.The lifers in the house and senate don't want it because their reckless spending will come to a halt unless they raise taxes. Not a good idea now or ever. Raising taxes will make all the lifers vulnerable in the their next election, not what they want. Term limits would have helped long ago, but that's another bag of nuts to crack.
ZRX1200 Offline
#4 Posted:
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It makes congresses job much tougher for the way they prefer to do business.

Yay
engletl Offline
#5 Posted:
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need to spend less than is available...no questions asked
HockeyDad Offline
#6 Posted:
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Cut cap and balance would throw the nation into another recession at a minimum.
borndead1 Offline
#7 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
Cut cap and balance would throw the nation into another recession at a minimum.



For a short time, I think. But it would be like the pain of having a bullet removed. Hurts like hell, but worth it!

Having a balanced budget and low debt can never happen as long as we have a privately owned central bank who prints money out of thin air with nothing backing it up.
rfenst Offline
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What did the founding fathers have to say on the subject?
teedubbya Offline
#9 Posted:
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I'm not big on willy nilly amendments. I'm glad there are built in protections from having knee jerk political reactions. We need a buffer from the emotions of politics.

Besides, short term deficit spending can be beneficial or even necessary. Fighting wars (like WWI, II etc not this fiasco Bush took us in to), infrastructure improvements (think start up businesses and the debt they may take on initially to get the end pay out) etc.

Long term or sustained deficit spending is the real cancer.


BBA is a knee jerk reaction that gets thrown around every few years and will continue to. Personally I'm hesitant to ever pass any amendment and when one comes along that is worthy, generally speaking I would prefer it be well thought out and not a reaction to a bunch of howling dogs working themselves into a lather.
HockeyDad Offline
#10 Posted:
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borndead1 wrote:
For a short time, I think. But it would be like the pain of having a bullet removed. Hurts like hell, but worth it!

Having a balanced budget and low debt can never happen as long as we have a privately owned central bank who prints money out of thin air with nothing backing it up.




Nobody volunteers for a recession. Nobody goes looking for austerity. Austerity comes looking for you. The USA economy is propped up by government deficit spending.

The private central bank does its job well. It prints money out of thin air, loans it out, and turns it into debt. Debt is the national currency, not the US dollar. Debt is the world currency. In the financial/banking crisis and in the current artificially manufactured US debt crisis, all steps were taken to protect debt.
HockeyDad Offline
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rfenst wrote:
What did the founding fathers have to say on the subject?



They're all dead. They're out of the conversation.
teedubbya Offline
#12 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
They're all dead. They're out of the conversation.


They are? I didn't even know they were sick.
HockeyDad Offline
#13 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
They are? I didn't even know they were sick.




Then Obamacare's death panels are working!
borndead1 Offline
#14 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
Austerity comes looking for you.



In America, austerity find YOU!
teedubbya Offline
#15 Posted:
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Why do yall hate America so much?
HockeyDad Offline
#16 Posted:
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Austerity is coming, just not yet. All it will take is a flash point just like what happened in Greece. Foreign investors lost confidence that they would get repaid and interest rates went from 5% to 15%. Game over.

The most important thing the USA can do is reassure foreign investors that they will get repaid somehow so the 2.9% interest rate is a good deal. The second most important thing is to reinforce 401K investment strategies to include a mix of stocks and bonds. Those bonds are another major holder of US debt.

In the grand scheme of things USA debt is still very safe. Under President Obama we are going through a massive retooling of the nation that has forced a fundamental political ideology fight. 25% of GDP is now the government sector and something like 20% of disposable income comes from government sources. If these levels are justifiable then the solution is massive tax increases to properly fund all the services we are demanding from government. If we don't want the taxes, then we have to reevaluate cut, cap, and balance versus tax and balance.

The USA is becoming western Europe through the outcome of the recession and sweeping programs like Obamacare. Some people are just getting dragged kicking and screaming.
DrafterX Offline
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borndead1 wrote:
In America, austerity find YOU!




austerity should be looking for CROS..... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#18 Posted:
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I heard CROS is in a hospital in bali. I guess someone lit his colostomy bag on fire and he got burned pretty bad.
DrafterX Offline
#19 Posted:
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there are some sick bassards out there!!!!! poor CROS.... Sad
DrafterX Offline
#20 Posted:
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I wonder if my bank will let me run below zero for awile..?? Huh
HockeyDad Offline
#21 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
I wonder if my bank will let me run below zero for awile..?? Huh



Just imagine the temptation of being able to borrow an unlimited amount of money at 2.9% interest that someone else will have to pay back later.
DrafterX Offline
#22 Posted:
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Think Think



Beer Beer Beer
itsawaldo Offline
#23 Posted:
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So cut, cap and resonable balance is preferred, which is more realistice to a BBA.
Sounds good, lets pass it.
DrMaddVibe Offline
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rfenst wrote:
What did the founding fathers have to say on the subject?



LOLZ!!!


If our Founding Fathers saw the mess that the progressives have made with their Republic they would've made damn sure to address the "unwritten".

In their world they didn't play word games. They addressed the matter and took care of business. They knew that government's place wasn't to harass free enterprise or endanger personal rights.

If they thought for one second that we'd be operating with a massive debt they would've made sure to put in that there should be no surplus or debt...a clean balance sheet.

Now, with that said...yes we do need a balanced budget amendment. The US government cannot be trusted to do it without one. It is time for the states to force the hand of the Federal oppressor and shackle him down.
DrafterX Offline
#25 Posted:
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we should get one of those Wigi boards and talk to them...... Mellow
herfidore Offline
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Barn door
teedubbya Offline
#27 Posted:
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lock box
HockeyDad Offline
#28 Posted:
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shake & bake
teedubbya Offline
#29 Posted:
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now you see me....
now you don't
DrafterX Offline
#30 Posted:
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It's just a jump to the left..... Mellow
Stinkdyr Offline
#31 Posted:
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Repeal socialism. It failed.

Embrace freedom. Free to succeed, free to fail.


Beer
HockeyDad Offline
#32 Posted:
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American socialism lite works fine, it just needs more money.
European socialism heavy works just fine, it just needs more money.
borndead1 Offline
#33 Posted:
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Stinkdyr wrote:
Repeal socialism. It failed.

Embrace freedom. Free to succeed, free to fail.


Beer



We're trying Fascism instead. It's the best of both Socialism and Capitalism, rolled into a nice pretty ball. Angel
DadZilla3 Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
They're all dead. They're out of the conversation.

Not necessarily. Thousands of dead Democrats vote early and often in every election.
Kawak Offline
#35 Posted:
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The Democrats and Barry's plan to solve debt is the equL to raising the blood alcohol level to solve drunk driving....
HockeyDad Offline
#36 Posted:
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The Democrats and Obama's plan to solve the debt is to borrow another trillion USD every year, did the hole deeper, and getting Americans even more accustomed to government's role in their lives. Once we all agree the government's role in the GDP is correct, then the only solution is to massively raise taxes to pay for the services that we are demanding.

It is kinda like selling cocaine at a discount price until everyone is hooked.

It really is brilliant. You didn't see the Democrats jack up taxes during the two years that they had the White House and Congress even though they could have. What they did is deficit spend even more and give us Obamacare which is the beginning of nationalized healthcare. In another 8 years, people will be demanding their Obamacare just like Medicare and Social Security and the government will have to raise tax revenue to meet our demands.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#37 Posted:
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wheelrite #1

first, what say you, then 2nd what say i.

i say this how learn to speak chinese.

i like barbecued pork low mein bester than
cashew chicken
wheelrite Offline
#38 Posted:
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RICKAMAVEN wrote:
wheelrite #1

first, what say you, then 2nd what say i.

i say this how learn to speak chinese.

i like barbecued pork low mein bester than
cashew chicken


Is "bester" a Chinese word ?

Btw,,

The Chinese food you like is NOT real chinese food...

Whistle

wheel,
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#39 Posted:
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HockeyDad #21


i'd be willing to go as high as 3.25% for that credit card.

and #36 ( 2fer)

"It is kinda like selling cocaine at a discount price until
everyone is hooked." i read something about that and
the cia.

in 8 years i will be 88 and if i am able to articulate
anything between my colonoscopies, i will demand
obama care and medicare and any other care i can
get and when you have your first by pass surgery
you better have damned good insurance, like medicare.

do you have any idea what it costs to maintain a
complicated piece of machinery like your body? that's
when people decide to trade in their old car and get a
new one,

why do the republicans want to add taxes to the former
or what's left of the middle class, and not burdon the
wealthy beyond all need? i suspect to keep their jobs
and not because they think it's fair or right.

whose their daddy?
wheelrite Offline
#40 Posted:
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RICKAMAVEN wrote:
HockeyDad #21


i'd be willing to go as high as 3.25% for that credit card.

and #36 ( 2fer)

"It is kinda like selling cocaine at a discount price until
everyone is hooked." i read something about that and
the cia.

in 8 years i will be 88 and if i am able to articulate
anything between my colonoscopies, i will demand
obama care and medicare and any other care i can
get and when you have your first by pass surgery
you better have damned good insurance, like medicare.

do you have any idea what it costs to maintain a
complicated piece of machinery like your body? that's
when people decide to trade in their old car and get a
new one,

why do the republicans want to add taxes to the former
or what's left of the middle class, and not burdon the
wealthy beyond all need? i suspect to keep their jobs
and not because they think it's fair or right.

whose their daddy?


Rick
50% of Americans pay NO Income Tax,,,

EVERYONE should pay something,except the severly disabled and anyone over 89 yrs of age..

Like Barry said 'Skin in the Game "


wheel,
HockeyDad Offline
#41 Posted:
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President Obama's plan only adds 80 billion is taxes to the wealthy yet he runs a budget deficit of 1.4 trillion. It is a token measure.

Whose the Democrat's daddy?
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#42 Posted:
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HockeyDad

tag you're it
HockeyDad Offline
#43 Posted:
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No I'm not.

You're the victim of an elaborate hoax perpetuated by both political parties.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#44 Posted:
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wheelrite

i know it's food invented by chinese for jews.

i don't like dead pigeons, cats or dogs on a bed of rice no matter how it's cooked.


cooking is just heating meat until the fiber breaks down so it can be chewed. meat has no
flavor except tainted. if it had any flavor, spices wouldn't be needed to flavor it.

fresh peas in the pod have flavor, that's why you can't buy them

that's why everything tastes like chicken which without shake and bake or dry onion soup
mix sprinkled on it and micro ed in unsalted chicken broth. for ten minutes makes it taste like
chicken.

if you cook spam until it's almost crisp, it has taste, the taste of a salt lick. the company that
invented spam did so just to prove there is no part of a pig you can't be convinced to eat.

i once even ate fried liver because i wanted to get laid by the cook.
neither was worth the trouble of eating
FuzzNJ Offline
#45 Posted:
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'Strict Constitutionalists' again wanting to change the Constitution for political reasons.

Irony that right wingers can't see.
HockeyDad Offline
#46 Posted:
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They don't really want to change the Constitution. It is just part of the game.
DrafterX Offline
#47 Posted:
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I don't think this stuff would bother me if I was on the welfare....... might be a nice change.... Mellow
HockeyDad Offline
#48 Posted:
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Those on the welfare tend to want more welfare.

Probably just a coincidence.
DrafterX Offline
#49 Posted:
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Think
I should get another SS nnumber.... Mellow
rizzyo Offline
#50 Posted:
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The only issue with an actual amendment is that it would lead to significant problems in times where the US is necessitated to embrace deficit spending, such as times of war.

We shouldn't need an amendment for a common sense issue.

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