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Poll Question : WILL THERE BE A BUDGET DEAL BY AUG 2ND
Choice Votes Statistics
Yes 1 6 %
NO 0 0 %
Who Cares 2 13 %
WHAT? 0 0 %
Hemp 1 6 %
DEAL WILL BE MADE AND SUCK 7 46 %
TEA PARTY FLEXES MUSCLE WITH BBA! 3 20 %
France Invades America! 1 6 %
Total 15 100%

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DEAL OR NO DEAL ?
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jackconrad Offline
#1 Posted: Sat, Jul 30 2011, 11:10 PM EST
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Deal by tuesday?
borndead1 Offline
#2 Posted: Sun, Jul 31 2011, 8:31 AM EST
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They are only putting on a show. There will end up being MAYBE a 10-15% reduction in spending over the next 10 years. All military spending will be safe. Hey, perpetual war and keeping a military presence in over 100 countries ain't cheap. They MIGHT shave a few million dollars off foreign aid, just so the freshman republicans can claim that they "cut foreign aid". Entitlement programs will probably be spared too, so the democrats can say "we saved social security and medicare".
rfenst Offline
#3 Posted: Sun, Jul 31 2011, 9:08 AM EST
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borndead1 wrote:
They are only putting on a show. There will end up being MAYBE a 10-15% reduction in spending over the next 10 years. All military spending will be safe. Hey, perpetual war and keeping a military presence in over 100 countries ain't cheap. They MIGHT shave a few million dollars off foreign aid, just so the freshman republicans can claim that they "cut foreign aid". Entitlement programs will probably be spared too, so the democrats can say "we saved social security and medicare".


It will get done, very close to the end of the deadline, perhaps within just several hours. of time to spare. They should do it today (Sunday), so that the markets will breathe easier when they open tomorrow, but I doubt it will happen. Real problem, as I see it, is that Boehner has a little egg on his face right now (and the Rs don't have their act together as well as Boehner thought or would like.

Ds want to extend an agreement past the presidential election to avoid any intervening spending dispute that could cost them the White House or Senate, and enhance their chance that they will be able to make inroads in the House. Tea Party sympathizers can make all the noise they want, but they will only impress their own original electorate.

Right now, Democrats are taking the least political hit. Rs are taking a big hit. Obama took a slightly lesser hit. Politically, ts been a bad couple weeks for Boehner-and it is not over yet on this issue. Reid is faring better. But, the real winner is... no one!!!
pgje51 Offline
#4 Posted: Sun, Jul 31 2011, 9:11 AM EST
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Boehner pulled a bonner.
HockeyDad Offline
#5 Posted: Sun, Jul 31 2011, 9:52 AM EST
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]The big winner here is DEBT. We need more debt. We cannot live within our means regardless of Republican or Democrat leadership and the important thing is that payment of debt has been reaffirmed as our top priority.
Whistlebritches Offline
#6 Posted: Sun, Jul 31 2011, 11:51 AM EST
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Yes there will be a deal......prolly today.It'll suck.

Until the freeloaders are tossed from the cart this will be a problem.Toss em.....no need for a debt ceiling increase.But we know this won't happen........80% of the dems base is riding in the above mentioned cart.


Ron
chiefburg Offline
#7 Posted: Sun, Jul 31 2011, 12:24 PM EST
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Yep, we are in bad shape when the only way anyone sees out of this is to raise the debt ceiling........what a pathetic bunch of losers. America is heading down the toilet faster than any point in our history. We need to fire everyone in the Whitehouse, the House of Representatives, and the Congress. They all need to go and we need to start with some fresh people who aren't corrupted by the system (good luck trying to find a few.....). Frankly, it makes me feel like moving to another country........we are an embarrasment to the world right now.
HockeyDad Offline
#8 Posted: Sun, Jul 31 2011, 12:38 PM EST
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One of the things I found hilarious is the Boner's plan was to add 900 billion in debt to get us through the next 6 months and then offset it with 900 billion in spending cuts over ten years.

(meanwhile over those ten years we would still run a deficit of around 900 billion each year so over that period we will still need to raise the debt ceiling another 9 trillion)

....and this was unacceptable to the Democrats!
FuzzNJ Offline
#9 Posted: Sun, Jul 31 2011, 12:40 PM EST
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chiefburg wrote:
Yep, we are in bad shape when the only way anyone sees out of this is to raise the debt ceiling........what a pathetic bunch of losers. America is heading down the toilet faster than any point in our history. We need to fire everyone in the Whitehouse, the House of Representatives, and the Congress. They all need to go and we need to start with some fresh people who aren't corrupted by the system (good luck trying to find a few.....). Frankly, it makes me feel like moving to another country........we are an embarrasment to the world right now.


It was money that was already spent. Not like there was a choice.
HockeyDad Offline
#10 Posted: Sun, Jul 31 2011, 12:51 PM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
It was money that was already spent. Not like there was a choice.




That is correct. What needs to happen is a clean vote in raising the debt ceiling in the amount of spending that Congress already authorized.



Future debt ceiling increases need to be tied to the Federal budget that is passed, not as separate bills.

The President submits his budget request which he has and his ten year forecast is 10 trillion in additional debt. Like it or not, it is honest.

Next Congress passes a Federal budget that may or may not match the President's request. If it includes deficit spending, the debt ceiling increase as appropriate should be built into the legislation. If Congress doesn't want deficit spending, during the budget negotiations is the place to fix it.
zitotczito Offline
#11 Posted: Sun, Jul 31 2011, 2:25 PM EST
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Now since we will end up with 12 member Super Congress, what do we need the rest of those losers for?
rfenst Offline
#12 Posted: Sun, Jul 31 2011, 6:05 PM EST
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Anyone remember the film Rollover?
pgje51 Offline
#13 Posted: Sun, Jul 31 2011, 9:54 PM EST
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We gots a deal.

All is well in the kingdom tonite.
rfenst Offline
#14 Posted: Sun, Jul 31 2011, 10:09 PM EST
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pgje51 wrote:
We gots a deal.

All is well in the kingdom tonite.


No deal yet. That was just window dressing to calm the markets around the world and here in the U.S before they open tomorrow. Now, both houses will need to ram it through. Classical, strategic negotiations always involve waiting until the parties are both on the edge of abyss. The opera isn't over...
robertknyc Offline
#15 Posted: Sun, Jul 31 2011, 10:28 PM EST
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Dow futures are up 174 tonight, so the market is convinced the debt ceiling will be raised, even if it's kicking the can down the road a bit.
deadeyedick Offline
#16 Posted: Sun, Jul 31 2011, 11:13 PM EST
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Another "Wimpy" deal. "I will gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today".

DED
rfenst Offline
#17 Posted: Mon, Aug 1 2011, 1:26 AM EST
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deadeyedick wrote:
Another "Wimpy" deal. "I will gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today".

DED


Why do you expect any more than that?
The type of budgeting necessary will take months to years to formulate and enact. Tying the expectation that will ever occur to a fiscal deadline is useless. It is all "smoke and mirrors". Nobody is serious about anything fiscal, except not defaluting.
ZRX1200 Offline
#18 Posted: Mon, Aug 1 2011, 1:31 AM EST
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Operating without a budget for 800 days isn't responsible and serious??
rfenst Offline
#19 Posted: Mon, Aug 1 2011, 5:59 AM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Operating without a budget for 800 days isn't responsible and serious??



There is a budget. Meeting it just require borrowing right now.
deadeyedick Offline
#20 Posted: Mon, Aug 1 2011, 11:24 AM EST
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rfenst wrote:
Why do you expect any more than that?
The type of budgeting necessary will take months to years to formulate and enact. Tying the expectation that will ever occur to a fiscal deadline is useless. It is all "smoke and mirrors". Nobody is serious about anything fiscal, except not defaluting.


Come on Robert. You don't really expect ANY of the promised cuts over 10 years to materialize do you? What I expect is more of the same fiscal irresponsibility that has been going on for decades.

DED
DrMaddVibe Offline
#21 Posted: Mon, Aug 1 2011, 11:36 AM EST
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Who cares.

See them for what they are.

Vote them all out.horse
pgje51 Offline
#22 Posted: Mon, Aug 1 2011, 4:36 PM EST
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THey are packing for their 'well earned' vacations.
rfenst Offline
#23 Posted: Mon, Aug 1 2011, 5:41 PM EST
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deadeyedick wrote:
Come on Robert. You don't really expect ANY of the promised cuts over 10 years to materialize do you? What I expect is more of the same fiscal irresponsibility that has been going on for decades.

DED



No. Not really. Whatever gets cut will be replaced with some other expense/obligation.
HockeyDad Offline
#24 Posted: Mon, Aug 1 2011, 5:47 PM EST
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“The country is living in debt. It is not living within its means, shifting the weight of responsibility on other countries and in a way acting as a parasite.” ~ Vladimir Putin


Man, that is gonna leave a mark.
ZRX1200 Offline
#25 Posted: Mon, Aug 1 2011, 5:54 PM EST
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Traditionally people who are into S&M have a "safety" word so their partner knows to stop.

The governments safety word now is "emergency".
bdrizzle Offline
#26 Posted: Mon, Aug 1 2011, 7:05 PM EST
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I have a safety Phrase it usually goes: hu huuu hu hu, oh ****!
ZRX1200 Offline
#27 Posted: Mon, Aug 1 2011, 7:11 PM EST
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Next time you're gonna hafta yell at the wife "emergency! "
ZRX1200 Offline
#28 Posted: Mon, Aug 1 2011, 7:12 PM EST
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And I don't wanna see your "emergency face" either.
HockeyDad Offline
#29 Posted: Mon, Aug 1 2011, 8:38 PM EST
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After months of political bickering, our nation's leaders have come to an agreement that the solution to having too much debt is more debt.
ZRX1200 Offline
#30 Posted: Mon, Aug 1 2011, 8:51 PM EST
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You can't teach an old one trick pony a new trick.
HockeyDad Offline
#31 Posted: Mon, Aug 1 2011, 8:57 PM EST
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The Democrats should have raised the debt ceiling to 40 trillion back when they had control of both the house and senate.
porschesales225 Offline
#32 Posted: Mon, Aug 1 2011, 9:56 PM EST
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We need taxes. no one has ever fought a war without raising taxes somewhere. We engage in these military actions and have no war drives, nothing. Apparently no one in our government has ever read a history book.
rfenst Offline
#33 Posted: Mon, Aug 1 2011, 9:59 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Traditionally people who are into S&M have a "safety" word so their partner knows to stop.



So, what are you really trying to tell us?whip
jackconrad Offline
#34 Posted: Mon, Aug 1 2011, 10:43 PM EST
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U can't talks tuse mei campain manager like dat @!~
ZRX1200 Offline
#35 Posted: Mon, Aug 1 2011, 10:52 PM EST
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Yeah!!!

Thanks Jack.

The MAN OF DA PEOPLE!!!
jackconrad Offline
#36 Posted: Tue, Aug 2 2011, 12:40 AM EST
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HockeyDad Offline
#37 Posted: Tue, Aug 2 2011, 6:35 AM EST
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porschesales225 wrote:
We need taxes. no one has ever fought a war without raising taxes somewhere. We engage in these military actions and have no war drives, nothing. Apparently no one in our government has ever read a history book.



There should have been a war tax under GWB. The reason why there was not is there wouldn't have been any wars. Our government knew exactly what it was doing. It is too late to have the war tax now because Obama ended the wars.

Our children and grandchildren will be paying that war tax. They owe us a resounding "thank you!"
DrMaddVibe Offline
#38 Posted: Tue, Aug 2 2011, 7:40 AM EST
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9-11-01 changed everything.
DrafterX Offline
#39 Posted: Tue, Aug 2 2011, 8:06 AM EST
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Never Forget.... Mellow
DrMaddVibe Offline
#40 Posted: Tue, Aug 2 2011, 9:18 AM EST
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Damn the torpedoes...full steam ahead Mr. Christian!
Brewha Offline
#41 Posted: Tue, Aug 2 2011, 12:06 PM EST
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porschesales225 wrote:
We need taxes. no one has ever fought a war without raising taxes somewhere. We engage in these military actions and have no war drives, nothing. Apparently no one in our government has ever read a history book.


Stop Bush bashing – everyone knows he couldn’t read!

An of course we need taxes – but the best way to get lunch out of a rich man is to stick your finger down his throat.
watchurai Offline
#42 Posted: Tue, Aug 2 2011, 12:11 PM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Damn the torpedoes...full steam ahead Mr. Christian!




Um...fairly sure the HMS Bounty didn't have torps. JUUuuust sayin'...
apachelm Offline
#43 Posted: Tue, Aug 2 2011, 12:20 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
It will get done, very close to the end of the deadline, perhaps within just several hours. of time to spare. They should do it today (Sunday), so that the markets will breathe easier when they open tomorrow, but I doubt it will happen. Real problem, as I see it, is that Boehner has a little egg on his face right now (and the Rs don't have their act together as well as Boehner thought or would like.

Ds want to extend an agreement past the presidential election to avoid any intervening spending dispute that could cost them the White House or Senate, and enhance their chance that they will be able to make inroads in the House. Tea Party sympathizers can make all the noise they want, but they will only impress their own original electorate.

Right now, Democrats are taking the least political hit. Rs are taking a big hit. Obama took a slightly lesser hit. Politically, ts been a bad couple weeks for Boehner-and it is not over yet on this issue. Reid is faring better. But, the real winner is... no one!!!



Not sure how this deal can be spun to where the D's or even POTUS can claim any kind of a victoryd'oh!
Brewha Offline
#44 Posted: Tue, Aug 2 2011, 12:28 PM EST
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watchurai wrote:
Um...fairly sure the HMS Bounty didn't have torps. JUUuuust sayin'...


Bounty was not steam driven either . . . .

Frying pan
TMCTLT Offline
#45 Posted: Tue, Aug 2 2011, 1:19 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
There should have been a war tax under GWB. The reason why there was not is there wouldn't have been any wars. Our government knew exactly what it was doing. It is too late to have the war tax now because Obama ended the wars.

Our children and grandchildren will be paying that war tax. They owe us a resounding "thank you!"



The countries who are benefitting from having these terrorist bassards removed from their soil or from reeking havoc in it should be picking up the bill here and they're are MANY!!!
HockeyDad Offline
#46 Posted: Tue, Aug 2 2011, 2:00 PM EST
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Send them an invoice and see how it works out. Kinda hard to bill someone for a service they didn't ask for! Maybe we can just tack it on their wireless bill.
HockeyDad Offline
#47 Posted: Tue, Aug 2 2011, 2:04 PM EST
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Mr Christian should be changed to something Mr Kris to be more inclusive and embrace diversity.
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#48 Posted: Tue, Aug 2 2011, 2:34 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
Bounty was not steam driven either . . . .

Frying pan


HMS stood for "His Majesty's Ship" not "Her Majesty's Steam". Though referred to as the HMS Bounty, her correct reference was HMAV Bounty (His Majesty's Armed Vessel), as she was too small, and had too few guns (4) to be rated a "ship" and was therefore considered an "sloop".
dpnewell Offline
#49 Posted: Tue, Aug 2 2011, 2:48 PM EST
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watchurai wrote:
Um...fairly sure the HMS Bounty didn't have torps. JUUuuust sayin'...



"Damn the Torpedoes..." was said by US Admiral David Farragut during the Civil War, not by Captain Bligh. In the Civil War, torpedoes where tethered floating mines.
Gene363 Offline
#50 Posted: Tue, Aug 2 2011, 4:52 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
“The country is living in debt. It is not living within its means, shifting the weight of responsibility on other countries and in a way acting as a parasite.” ~ Vladimir Putin


Man, that is gonna leave a mark.


You to leave a big mark? Embargo ALL USA food, tobacco and alcohol exports.
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