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Obama vs. Gibson Gutairs
jetblasted Offline
#1 Posted:
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Obama Looking Like Job Killer In Chief 

NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- Gibson Guitar CEO Henry Juszkiewicz is fuming. As he sees it, his company, the iconic maker of the Les Paul and Firebird X electronic guitars, is being unjustly attacked by the federal government.

On Aug. 24, armed agents from the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service raided two of Gibson's Tennessee production facilities and its Nashville headquarters.

The agents confiscated nearly $1 million in rare Indian ebony, finished guitars and electronic data, according to Juszkiewicz. It was the second time in two years that Gibson's factories have been raided by the feds over the rare woods it uses to build its guitars. 

Given that the company was already dealing with the government on an earlier investigation, he said the feds should have worked with the company to make sure its procedures were in compliance. The company has always made a good-faith effort to follow the law, he said.

But now Juszkiewicz isn't feeling so cooperative.
The latest raid revolves around a trade issue. The wood was allegedly exported illegally because it was unfinished and too thick to be a veneer, the only unfinished wood India allows to be shipped, according to a Justice Department affidavit.

Why the U.S. government would enforce an Indian trade law can be explained by century-old legislation called the Lacey Act, which mandates that American companies observe the laws of foreign countries in the trade of many animal parts, plants and their products, including wood, which was added to the act three years ago.

However, Juszkiewicz insists the wood is legal under Indian law because it's a finished product -- a fingerboard that gets attached to the neck of the guitar. He said he has letters from the Indian government to prove it.

The company hasn't been charged with wrongdoing, but Juszkiewicz said he was told that if the company sells or ships any of the Indian wood or finished guitars containing the material, it could be charged with additional violations of the Lacey Act and also with obstruction of justice. As a result, his entire operation could effectively be shut down, he said.

The Justice Department said it couldn't comment on the ongoing investigation.

If Gibson were to shut down its Tennessee factories, it would put more than 700 people out of work. And Juszkiewicz will have none of that. He's keeping the factories running and told the Justice Department he will take personal responsibility for any legal liability. If anyone is arrested, he said, it will be him.
"We have not been able to make some products, but I'm not going to lay people off," he said.
Juszkiewicz is eager to prove his case in court, but he isn't optimistic he'll get the opportunity. "The problem is, we have no recourse," he said. "These guys have investigated us for two years. They came in twice and shut the place down."
The company is still awaiting judgment on the earlier case, which involves rare wood from Madagascar confiscated from Gibson's factories in 2009. Meanwhile, Juszkiewicz hasn't been able to get the wood or some of the guitars that were confiscated returned.
Since the company hasn't made much headway in the courts, it has taken its case to the masses.
Juszkiewicz and his company have rallied a virtual army on the web by encouraging people on Facebook and Twitter to write their representatives and demand action. The company even launched a Twitter campaign under the hashtag #ThisWillNotStand.
"Why is big government spending our money to harm ordinary citizens and small businesses?" Juszkiewicz tweeted last Friday.

Guitar enthusiasts are angry because not only is production of the famed guitars now in question, but under the Lacey Act, anyone owning or selling one of Gibson's guitars could also be arrested for obstruction of justice.

For its part, the Justice Department said that in such cases it generally only pursues retailers or manufacturers that knowingly engage in the sales of a substantial number of instruments -- not individuals.

Perhaps unwittingly, Gibson has also garnered the support of Tea Party activists and political conservatives who see the raid as evidence that the Obama administration is killing American jobs.

Juszkiewicz said he doesn't think the raid was about politics, however. He just remains puzzled -- and frustrated -- about the whole ordeal.

"It doesn't even make sense politically," he said. "Gibson believes it is innocent of any wrongdoing. We will fight aggressively to prove our innocence." 
engletl Offline
#2 Posted:
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Why does Obama hate Rock N Roll music???
jetblasted Offline
#3 Posted:
Joined: 08-30-2004
Posts: 42,595
Not just Rock music ...
ZRX1200 Offline
#4 Posted:
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donutboy2000 Offline
#5 Posted:
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Obama is taking away all of our freedoms !
ZRX1200 Offline
#6 Posted:
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Worst part is now the justice dept. is trying to get Gibsons court challenge out so Gibson would have no recourse. Also this was the feds FIRST contact with Gibson and they come in with a swat team....and to date have yet to raid any of their competitors who openly do the same thing.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#7 Posted:
Joined: 10-01-2000
Posts: 33,248
RIPSON, NO AFFILIATE OF GIBSON IS SELLING THEIR CHINESE MADE GUITARS,
USING A PRESSED KNOTTY PINE PAINTED TO LOOK LIKE INDIAN EBONY, AT
WALL MART FOR THE LABOUR DAY HOLIDAY SALE FOR $100.00 AND INCLUDES
AN EXTRA SET OF STRINGS AND IT'S FAMOUS CHOP STICK PICKS.

SOME ASSEMBLY REQUIRED.

WALL MART IS THE FAMOUS OUTLET FOR CHINESE SWEAT SHOP PRODUCTS AND
OFFERS IT'S CUSTOMERS A CREDIT CARD WITH A 24.9% APR.

CHINA IS A LARGFE CREDITOR FOR THE USA ANDE LIKE THE MAFIA,
IF YOU OWE THEM MONEY, OU SELL WHAT THEY TELL YOU TO SELL.
wheelrite Offline
#8 Posted:
Joined: 11-01-2006
Posts: 50,119
RICKAMAVEN wrote:
RIPSON, NO AFFILIATE OF GIBSON IS SELLING THEIR CHINESE MADE GUITARS,
USING A PRESSED KNOTTY PINE PAINTED TO LOOK LIKE INDIAN EBONY, AT
WALL MART FOR THE LABOUR DAY HOLIDAY SALE FOR $100.00 AND INCLUDES
AN EXTRA SET OF STRINGS AND IT'S FAMOUS CHOP STICK PICKS.

SOME ASSEMBLY REQUIRED.

WALL MART IS THE FAMOUS OUTLET FOR CHINESE SWEAT SHOP PRODUCTS AND
OFFERS IT'S CUSTOMERS A CREDIT CARD WITH A 24.9% APR.

CHINA IS A LARGFE CREDITOR FOR THE USA ANDE LIKE THE MAFIA,
IF YOU OWE THEM MONEY, OU SELL WHAT THEY TELL YOU TO SELL.



There is no Mafia,,,



Leave the gun ,take the cannoli
jeffventura Offline
#9 Posted:
Joined: 04-19-2009
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Obama doesn't hate Gibson he hates jobs.
The more people that he can keep out of work and on welfare
the more votes he will have for his socialist agenda.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#10 Posted:
Joined: 10-21-2000
Posts: 55,507
jeffventura wrote:
Obama doesn't hate Gibson he hates jobs.
The more people that he can keep out of work and on welfare
the more votes he will have for his socialist agenda.




BAM!

Ain't no sunshine.....whip
teedubbya Offline
#11 Posted:
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Law and order is over rated. It should only be applied when it is popular.
HockeyDad Offline
#12 Posted:
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http://www.comedycentral.com/videos/index.jhtml?videoId=11907&title=electric-guitar--drums-or-electric-piano-pt--2
ZRX1200 Offline
#13 Posted:
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Teedubbya....problem is its not even US law. Its Indian law US is enforcing and its misinterpreted.

India didn't ask for this.


This is Owebummers major war front. Jobs.
Charlie Offline
#14 Posted:
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Posts: 39,751
Hope and Change running wild..............................
DrMaddVibe Offline
#15 Posted:
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Posts: 55,507
Watcha gonna do when Hope and Change runs all over you?

WHOOOOOOOOO!

Best eat your vitamins kids!Frying pan
Stinkdyr Offline
#16 Posted:
Joined: 06-16-2009
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Don't wanna be raided by the Feds??

Simple, don't be selfish enough to try to run a bidness that actually produces something and employs people and pays taxes.

Simple as that!

ram27bat
DrMaddVibe Offline
#17 Posted:
Joined: 10-21-2000
Posts: 55,507
Stinkdyr wrote:
Don't wanna be raided by the Feds??

Simple, don't be selfish enough to try to run a bidness that actually produces something and employs people and pays taxes.

Simple as that!

ram27bat



Bess be lookin for da union label!!!!


"We got to keep an eye on the battle that we face: The war on workers. And you see it everywhere, it is the Tea Party. And you know, there is only one way to beat and win that war. The one thing about working people is we like a good fight. And you know what? They've got a war, they got a war with us and there's only going to be one winner. It's going to be the workers of Michigan, and America. We're going to win that war," Jimmy Hoffa said to a heavily union crowd.

"President Obama, this is your army. We are ready to march. Let's take these son of bitches out and give America back to an America where we belong," Hoffa added.


Damn scab guitars!

They like a good fight?

Hoffa Sr. liked a good fight too and he ended up 6 feet in cement at the Meadowlands...or so the legend goes. So the Teamsters are now Obama's army...well, trudge on..PS...the unemployment in Michigan is higher than the national level. You'd think they'd fight that first and then take on the job killing Tea Party!
nnightmar Offline
#18 Posted:
Joined: 03-31-2009
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Cheaper target than v. Bin Laden. After all VIA payoffs not required.

And with the poll numbers I'm not sure he would survive:

Obama v. Motherhood

or

Obama v. Apple Pie
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