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Obama renews trade embargo with Cuba
dubleuhb Offline
#1 Posted:
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The United States' trade embargo on Cuba, the longest such restriction in modern history, will continue for another year after President Obama signed legislation that extends the law on Tuesday.

The Trading With the Enemy Act, which was originally enacted in 1917 and gives the President the power to oversee and restrict the country's trading policy with enemies in times of war, was slated to end on Friday unless Obama intervened.

Obama, though, chose to extend the act, declaring in a memorandum to the Secretary of State and the Secretary of the Treasury: "I hereby determine that the continuation for one year of the exercise of those authorities with respect to Cuba is in the national interest of the United States."

The embargo would not have suddenly ended on Friday if Obama did not re-sign the Trading With the Enemy Act. Congress was granted the power to override a presidential decision to end the embargo when it passed the Helms-Burton Act of 1996.

The move to extend the embargo is not surprising, but there had been signs in the beginning of Obama’s presidency that U.S. relations with Cuba might improve.

Early in 2009, Obama lifted travel and remittance restrictions on Cuban-Americans and abolished limitations on money transfers. And just this year, U.S. Customs approved eight more airports for passenger flights between Cuba and the U.S.

Obama also made strides to improve business relations with the island. He lifted sanctions to allow U.S. telecommunication companies the chance to apply for business licenses in Cuba, encouraging cell phone, Internet, radio and satellite television technologies there.

In addition, Obama made it easier for businessmen to sell agricultural and medical goods in Cuba by offering a general travel license that does not require individual permission


Good or bad ?
Cuban cigars will still be off limits. Personally I think this will be better for quality. What say you.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#2 Posted:
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dubleuhb wrote:
Good or bad ? Cuban cigars will still be off limits. Personally I think this will be better for quality. What say you.


This is window dressing for the idiots.

It does NOTHING for the Cuban people.
wheelrite Offline
#3 Posted:
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I'm out of Havana Club..
DadZilla3 Offline
#4 Posted:
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Party time in Ybor City...
rfenst Offline
#5 Posted:
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DadZilla3 wrote:
Party time in Ybor City...



In the long-run, it isn't going to matter much. They will have to be no less than one and perhaps 3-5 years old for the novice to enjoy them. Someone is going to have to hold on for them for that long, which is quite and expensive undertaking. B&Ms won't be able to afford this. Cuban cigars will be more expensive than non-Cubans. Also, unless the occasional or I-just-want-to-try-one smoker has a good experience the first time, they likely won't try again, since the experience will not even come close to matching all the hype there will be. As to regular, even if occasional, cigar smokers, many will try and some will like. However, the price will be a factor compared to non-Cubans. So, look for lots of milder, small and inexpensive Cuban cigars to be the vast majority of what is available for retail. Sure, prices, supply and demand of Cuban and non-Cuban cigars will change over the short-run, but I would be willing to bet the newness craze, when it comes to Cuban-cigars, will only result 2-3 years of turmoil... Take a good look at Lew Rothman's predictions on all of this as they really make sense to me.
Charlie Offline
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Pricing on Habanos will go out of sight if the Embargo is lifted........keep it in play as we can get better deals on Cubans than on other Islands cigars by shopping around.................ram27bat
rfenst Offline
#7 Posted:
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Charlie wrote:
Pricing on Habanos will go out of sight if the Embargo is lifted........keep it in play as we can get better deals on Cubans than on other Islands cigars by shopping around.................ram27bat



Lew Rothman says that cigars the typical person will buy to "try the real thing" will be the smaller, less expense machine bunched versions. Check out what he has to say. Also, Cuba is stockpiling tobacco and ha also laid off approximately 1/3 of the cigar industry. They will be called right back to work...
borndead1 Offline
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And yet we continue to trade with China and Saudi Arabia, whose human rights records make Cuba look positively great by comparison.
DrMaddVibe Offline
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borndead1 wrote:
And yet we continue to trade with China and Saudi Arabia, whose human rights records make Cuba look positively great by comparison.


Gotta love it!

If most people saw how the embargo really effects the normal Cuban person they'd be in favor of ending it now.

If we did we'd flush Fidel and his band of posers right on out to HugoLand with the US dollar.

Too bad we don't have a President with the balls to actually sign the Executive Order.

Perhaps one day a President Marco Rubio will!
DrafterX Offline
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we should just annex them in and sign them up for the welfare... Mellow
Gene363 Offline
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borndead1 wrote:
And yet we continue to trade with China and Saudi Arabia, whose human rights records make Cuba look positively great by comparison.


+10
DadZilla3 Offline
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borndead1 wrote:
And yet we continue to trade with China and Saudi Arabia, whose human rights records make Cuba look positively great by comparison.

Cuba either has to start exporting a sh*tload of cheap consumer goods or discover oil someplace on their island. Then we'll magically do a diplomatic 180 like we always do, and start trading with them.
Gene363 Offline
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DadZilla3 wrote:
Cuba either has to start exporting a sh*tload of cheap consumer goods or discover oil someplace on their island. Then we'll magically do a diplomatic 180 like we always do, and start trading with them.


Didn't they lease offshore drilling right to some Chinese outfit?
engletl Offline
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All because Obama doesn't smoke cigars
DadZilla3 Offline
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Gene363 wrote:

Didn't they lease offshore drilling right to some Chinese outfit?

So far as I know, the leases were for exploration only. But even if the Chinese find oil I wouldn't be surprised if we give China a pass but forbid our own companies from drilling there.
rfenst Offline
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Gotta love it!

If most people saw how the embargo really effects the normal Cuban person they'd be in favor of ending it now.
If we did we'd flush Fidel and his band of posers right on out to HugoLand with the US dollar.
Too bad we don't have a President with the balls to actually sign the Executive Order.
Perhaps one day a President Marco Rubio will!



The same Marco Rubio who got caught using the Florida Republican Party's credit card to charge thousands and thousands of dollars of personal expenses? Who only repaid those expenses after it all came to light, despite not having the personal finances to be able to do so? The one whose political supporters arranged for him to get a second mortgage on his home worth almost twice the equity he had in it? Nah. No way.

Perhaps, instead, you are referring to the Marco Rubio who may not even be a "naturalized citizen" because neither of his parents were U.S. citizens when he was born? Nope, not him either.

Or, the one who is so staunchly AGAINST lifting the Cuban Embargo? Yeah! He must be the one!








(Notwithstanding everything, I think he has a good chance of being President or Vice-President one day. Right now, he is the favorite of the Republican elected and is being"groomed" with the utmost care, despite some skeletons in hid pocket that will not be brought forward until he "throws his hat in the ring".
DadZilla3 Offline
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rfenst wrote:
The same Marco Rubio who got caught using the Florida Republican Party's credit card to charge thousands and thousands of dollars of personal expenses? Who only repaid those expenses after it all came to light, despite not having the personal finances to be able to do so? The one whose political supporters arranged for him to get a second mortgage on his home worth almost twice the equity he had in it? Nah. No way.

Perhaps, instead, you are referring to the Marco Rubio who may not even be a "naturalized citizen" because neither of his parents were U.S. citizens when he was born? Nope, not him either.

Or, the one who is so staunchly AGAINST lifting the Cuban Embargo? Yeah! He must be the one!

(Notwithstanding everything, I think he has a good chance of being President or Vice-President one day. Right now, he is the favorite of the Republican elected and is being"groomed" with the utmost care, despite some skeletons in hid pocket that will not be brought forward until he "throws his hat in the ring".


Rubio's past is compromised unlike, say, Obama's past?

Let's face it friends...be they Republican or Democrat, an awful lot of American politicians are steeped in a cesspool of special interest influence, shady dealings, and outright lies from top to bottom.
rfenst Offline
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DadZilla3 wrote:
Rubio's past is compromised unlike, say, Obama's past?

Let's face it friends...be they Republican or Democrat, .




No Presidential candidate's or President's past is squeaky-clean. Of course an awful lot of American politicians are steeped in a cesspool of special interest influence, shady dealings, and outright lies from top to bottom! But, my main post only concerned only concerned whether Marco Rubio's electability as President and more importantly whether he hypothetically would lift the Embargo. After all, first he needs to be elected as President, right? Secondarily, he might then, and only then, have the decision whether to lift the Embargo. That is a simple, two-step analysis. It had nothing at all to do with anyone else. Not the Rs, Ds or any other party or interest group. It had nothing to do with Obama. Just the future lifting of the Embargo and whether Rubio, if elected President, would do it.
rfenst Offline
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borndead1 wrote:
And yet we continue to trade with China and Saudi Arabia, whose human rights records make Cuba look positively great by comparison.


But, they have more than vacations, sugar cane and cigars to offer!
DrMaddVibe Offline
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rfenst wrote:
No Presidential candidate's or President's past is squeaky-clean. Of course an awful lot of American politicians are steeped in a cesspool of special interest influence, shady dealings, and outright lies from top to bottom! But, my main post only concerned only concerned whether Marco Rubio's electability as President and more importantly whether he hypothetically would lift the Embargo. After all, first he needs to be elected as President, right? Secondarily, he might then, and only then, have the decision whether to lift the Embargo. That is a simple, two-step analysis. It had nothing at all to do with anyone else. Not the Rs, Ds or any other party or interest group. It had nothing to do with Obama. Just the future lifting of the Embargo and whether Rubio, if elected President, would do it.



CARRYING OBAMA'S WATER UP THE HILL


APOLOGETICS!!!
HockeyDad Offline
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I won't carry the water up the hill for Obama. I will install a pipeline to carry the water with automated control systems paid for by government grants from stimulus funds.
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Pumps powered by solar energy no doubt.
HockeyDad Offline
#23 Posted:
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....subsidized solar energy!
DrMaddVibe Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
I won't carry the water up the hill for Obama. I will install a pipeline to carry the water with automated control systems paid for by government grants from stimulus funds.


Sarcasm

Ooozing with...Sarcasm

C'mon....you know.
rfenst Offline
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
CARRYING OBAMA'S WATER UP THE HILL


APOLOGETICS!!!



Nope.

All that I did was point out you are dead-wrong on Rubio lifting the Embargo. He is strongly, dead-set against doing that right now.



(You are in need of a better angle than trying to paint me into a corner on Obama. Sure, i voted for him and i don't regret it. McCain began losing my confidence- before Sarah Palin.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#26 Posted:
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rfenst wrote:
Sure, i voted for him and i don't regret it.



Your arms are going to get tired.
Papachristou Offline
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borndead1 wrote:
And yet we continue to trade with China and Saudi Arabia, whose human rights records make Cuba look positively great by comparison.


score
Stinkdyr Offline
#28 Posted:
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Blatant ploy to grasp for the cuban vote in FL for Obomba re-election.

yawn.
pdxstogieman Offline
#29 Posted:
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As usual the diversity of opinion here is simply stunning. The Beach Boys couldn't achieve better harmonics in their prime.
DrMaddVibe Offline
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pdxstogieman wrote:
As usual the diversity of opinion here is simply stunning. The Beach Boys couldn't achieve better harmonics in their prime.




As usual you bumble in here and show your ass.



You 2 will look like a happy couple marching up the "hill" with your little pail!

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