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ShiftyMac Offline
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Fine ladies and gentlemen are Ron Paul supporters?
dubleuhb Offline
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Some good ideas but unelectable.
ShiftyMac Offline
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It can be a semi success as long as his ideas get out there and people being to think differently. Would you agree?
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Im a Paul supporter and that unelectable crap is garbage.

Republicans have put up nothing but joke canidates that are part of the one party problem.
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He has been elected quite a bit too. He is gaining a lot of support too. I'd love to see him keep gaining ground. Polls are all over him too. Anyone who isn't sure about his views should check out his website too

AND he wants to end the trade embargo with Cuba!!!!
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Im a Paul supporter and that unelectable crap is garbage.

Republicans have put up nothing but joke canidates that are part of the one party problem.

Yes, but he still will never get elected. If it was a two person race, Paul/Obama he loses. He doesn't appeal to anyone left of center and those close to it won't vote for him. Thats the reality of it.
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He appeals to lots of people left of center especially on social issues. He wants to leave almost all social issues up to the states which will allow all the liberal states to go there own way. His economic policies are the only problem with the liberals. His foreign policies however go right along with them as well. If anything he is too left of center to get the support of the hard core right wingers on a lot of his policies.

Check his platform out though there's a lot of great stuff in there.

Did I mention ending the embargo...that has to resonate here a little I'd think :P
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We globalists control everything. Ron Paul will be crushed like a bug.
ZRX1200 Offline
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Obviously you haven't heard of democrats for Paul.

He's gaining alot of support from people left of center who don't want us to be the world police.

And as long as people keep eating the excriment sandwich that is our one party rule and buying the unelectable line then yes. You're part of the problem or part of the solution.
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The embargo means nothing to me, I can still get cuban cigars and actually enjoying one right now. Now put Paul up against Obama and whoever gets the republican nomination, Paul comes in third, I'm not saying I agree but that is the end result. The looney left will never abandon their cause as much as the far right won't abandon theirs. The only ''democrats'' Paul appeals to is those now calling themselves independant.
When it comes time to pull the lever they won't be pulling it for Paul.
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Not to beat a dead horse with this "Change" thing but he actually has the motivation and want to bring this country back to international respectability. The worst you can do is check out the platform and say "Meh not for me" but you could find just the things you want as well.
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Ron Paul = Elmer Fudd,,,

Elmer aint gonna be Prez...

he doesnn't want us killing terrorists,,,
ZRX1200 Offline
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Right Wheel....he doesn't want us wasting blood and treasure killing people that pose no threat to us. How much debt do you want to keep the war machine going?
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It's a little ironic that all these "terrorists" pop up as soon as we invade their countries. At least we make it easy for them to kill us by being there. They just have to pay some farmer to put a bomb in the road and that's that. Dead American. All that plane hijacking stuff ten years ago was a real hassle for them. They get to work smarter not harder now.
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I have looked at his ideas, and yes I like alot of them but he has some that just won't appeal to many people. That and the media will tear him apart or just ignore him all together.
wheelrite Offline
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ShiftyMac wrote:
It's a little ironic that all these "terrorists" pop up as soon as we invade their countries. At least we make it easy for them to kill us by being there. They just have to pay some farmer to put a bomb in the road and that's that. Dead American. All that plane hijacking stuff ten years ago was a real hassle for them. They get to work smarter not harder now.


when did we invade Yemen ?

We had a RC airplane whack a truck load of terrorists,which Ron Paul said was criminal..


He's a moron...
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Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) says he would consider putting the liberal congressman Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio) in his Cabinet if he were to win the presidency in 2012.

Paul said his libertarian political philosophy helps him connect with some on the far left — including Kucinich, who shares Paul’s general anti-war stance.


he's a moron
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He gets a lot of media just because the media ignores him actually...kind of ironic. He tears up every debate with actual answers not just beating around the bush and everytime another GOP candidate tries to refute him he tears them apart too.
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I don't see it that way. Bottom line is he will never get the Republican nomination and running as an independent only increases the chances of a Democrat win. So who's side is he actually on ? I know a lot of people want less right or less left but the state of the country right now cannot afford another four years of moving closer to socialism. Lets have an election without the one on the fence candidate and see where the chips fall, then we can see where the people really stand.
wheelrite Offline
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I saw Ron Paul flavored Kool Ade at the store ...
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He is as far from a socialist as it can get. We've had 12 years of outrageous gov't spending from both parties and the other GOP candidates are just as bad. I'd say it's worth a shot to see if someone who really has the interests of the people in mind can get things going.
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Never said he was a socialist but he will never get the republican nod, thus increasing the chances of a socialist being re-elected. Remember a fellow named Perot?
dubleuhb Offline
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wheelrite wrote:
I saw Ron Paul flavored Kool Ade at the store ...

Was it flying off the shelf,doubt it!
wheelrite Offline
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ShiftyMac wrote:
He is as far from a socialist as it can get. We've had 12 years of outrageous gov't spending from both parties and the other GOP candidates are just as bad. I'd say it's worth a shot to see if someone who really has the interests of the people in mind can get things going.



Um, Rep. Paul/Elmer Fudd has been in Congress those same 12 yrs,,,,
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And he has had the same policies for the whole time and has never flip flopped. ONE Congressmen can't change the whole country by his lonesome. Without the support of more people the same road will just be taken over and over. Just for conversation sake who gets your vote?

If you want to end or foreign wars and occupations. The unaccounted for spending by the Fed, the endless war on drugs and this nanny state with so much unfunded liabilty coming its way there is no way it will work then there is no other candidate in the GOP to go with. The others are just like Bush was and will likely spend just as much. I mean Romney is famous for Romney Care, his extremely expensive and inefficient healthcare plan in Mass. Bachman is virtually a religious zealot and might be clinically insane.

It's worth looking into his policies to see if you agree or not it wont hurt anything. He wants to bring this country back to prosperity and personal responsibilty.
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Again, I agree with some of the things he says, but a lot of candidates say one thing and do another. So that takes us back to him getting elected, won't happen, not this cycle or the next.
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he has over 2 decades of consistency in congress. You might very well be right but I think it's worth a shot
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While Ron Paul may have some good ideas......some of his other ideas are just not how the world works.I support him at the congressional/senate level but IMHO he's not presedential.

My guy has been and continues to be Herman Cain.This man is a natural born leader........some might conclude that he's also unelectable.I disagree.....look at Obama,this man couldn't lead ants to a picnic.


Ron
wheelrite Offline
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Elmer has voted with his Party (Republicans) 71% of the time since he was elected ..The majority of his NO votes have been regarding Military Budget matters.

He hates america...

He's been part of the problem too...
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Saying he hates America is ludicrous. Just as much as spending more on military than the rest of the world combined is. I also find Cain to be a viable option much more than the others.

The problem is spending, and spending more on the military is just as bad as overspending anywhere else. Unless everyone who doesn't want to keep spending more on the military hates America and I just have it backwards
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I've been a Paul supporter for years, but this time around, I'm with Whistlebritches and probably voting Cain.
ShiftyMac Offline
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Nonetheless this will be an interesting development

also dont mind Cain
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Im a Paul supporter and that unelectable crap is garbage.

Republicans have put up nothing but joke canidates that are part of the one party problem.

YES SIR!
dubleuhb Offline
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Never will he be POS, he doesn't have the support. He will be a distraction at best.
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dubleuhb wrote:
Never will he be POS, he doesn't have the support. He will be a distraction at best.


Ron Paul has quite a lot of grass roots support for his principles but at best the media pretty much ignores him, which was lampooned quite well by Jon Stewart.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viDKeTzSLf4&feature=related

Hey, we elevated a virtually unknown slick-talking socialist of questionable citizenship and doubtful patriotism whose only resume point was that he was an ex-community organizer from Congress, to the highest office in the land basically on the strength of slavish media devotion and unwavering gullibility on the part of a huge number of American voters.

Any candidate, especially a conservative one, stands a markedly poorer chance of getting elected unless they are first anointed by the media no matter how well their political principles resonate with the majority of Americans.

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DadZilla3 wrote:
Ron Paul has quite a lot of grass roots support for his principles but at best the media pretty much ignores him, which was lampooned quite well by Jon Stewart.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viDKeTzSLf4&feature=related

Hey, we elevated a virtually unknown slick-talking socialist of questionable citizenship and doubtful patriotism whose only resume point was that he was an ex-community organizer from Congress, to the highest office in the land basically on the strength of slavish media devotion and unwavering gullibility on the part of a huge number of American voters.

Any candidate, especially a conservative one, stands a markedly poorer chance of getting elected unless they are first anointed by the media no matter how well their political principles resonate with the majority of Americans.


And unfortunately the media will never have a good thing to say about him. I am not against the guy but it would be a monumental effort to get him elected. The only support he will get from the media is if he runs as an independent and the poll numbers are showing a clear lead for the republican candidate. This will be done to garner those votes who are not totally satisfied with the republican candidate to then dilute the vote. Third party votes don't count.
wheelrite Offline
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Ron Paul reminds me of RICKAMAVEN ...

Just with a quasi Libertarian slant...

But a nutt job just the same,,,


RICKAMAVEN wrote:
the Bill of Rights ?

didn't BusH and cheney and all the rest of that gang eliminate the right to petition a court for grievances like "why am i in a prison without being charged with anything..

wasn't that in the magna carta.13th century


Anxious Anxious Anxious Anxious
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wheelrite wrote:

He hates america...


Gimme a f**king break. Are you serious or are you just stirring the pot?

If you're being serious, please explain.

ZRX1200 Offline
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Quasi liberatarian???

Who da wacko now.
wheelrite Offline
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Quasi liberatarian???

Who da wacko now.



He's not a Libertarian in the purest form...
He does believe in Gov't control on certain things.


wheelrite Offline
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BTW,,

Y'all do know The KKK endorses Ron Paul...
borndead1 Offline
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They endorsed McCain in 2008.

You gotta do better than that, Wheel.
ZRX1200 Offline
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Now he's a member???

Doesn't mean shït and you know it.

Yes he believs in some govt. controlls, far cry from establishment R's and D's though Wheel.
wheelrite Offline
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The Ron Paul Campaign and its Neo-Nazi Supporters
By Andrew Walden
When some in a crowd of anti-war activists meeting at Democrat National Committee HQ in June, 2005 suggested Israel was behind the 9-11 attacks, DNC Chair Howard Dean was quick to get behind the microphones and denounce them saying: "such statements are nothing but vile, anti-Semitic rhetoric."


When KKK leader David Duke switched parties to run for Louisiana governor as a Republican in 1991, then-President George H W Bush responded sharply, saying, "When someone asserts the Holocaust never took place, then I don't believe that person ever deserves one iota of public trust. When someone has so recently endorsed Nazism, it is inconceivable that someone can reasonably aspire to a leadership role in a free society."


Ron Paul is different.


Rep Ron Paul (R-TX) is the only Republican candidate to demand immediate withdrawal from Iraq and blame US policy for creating Islamic terrorism. He has risen from obscurity and is beginning to raise millions of dollars in campaign contributions. Paul has no traction in the polls -- 7% of the vote in New Hampshire -- but he at one point had more cash on hand than John McCain. And now he is planning a $1.1 million New Hampshire media blitz just in time for the primary.


Ron Paul set an internet campaigning record raising more than $4 million in small on-line donations in one day, on November 5, 2007. But there are many questions about Paul's apparent unwillingness to reject extremist groups' public participation in his campaign and financial support of his November 5 "patriot money-bomb plot."


On October 26 nationally syndicated radio talk show host Michael Medved posted an "Open Letter to Rep. Ron Paul" on TownHall.com. It reads:

Dear Congressman Paul:


Your Presidential campaign has drawn the enthusiastic support of an imposing collection of Neo-Nazis, White Supremacists, Holocaust Deniers, 9/11 "Truthers" and other paranoid and discredited conspiracists.


Do you welcome- or repudiate - the support of such factions?


More specifically, your columns have been featured for several years in the American Free Press -a publication of the nation's leading Holocaust Denier and anti-Semitic agitator, Willis Carto. His book club even recommends works that glorify the Nazi SS, and glowingly describe the "comforts and amenities" provided for inmates of Auschwitz.


Have your columns appeared in the American Free Press with your knowledge and approval?


As a Presidential candidate, will you now disassociate yourself, clearly and publicly, from the poisonous propaganda promoted in such publications?


As a guest on my syndicated radio show, you answered my questions directly and fearlessly.
Will you now answer these pressing questions, and eliminate all associations between your campaign and some of the most loathsome fringe groups in American society?


Along with my listeners (and many of your own supporters), I eagerly await your response.


Respectfully, Michael Medved
Medved has received no official response from the Paul campaign.


There is more. The Texas-based Lone Star Times October 25 publicly requested a response to questions about whether the Paul campaign would repudiate and reject a $500 donation from white supremacist Stormfront.org founder Don Black and end the Stormfront website fundraising for Paul. The Times article lit up the conservative blogosphere for the next week. Paul supporters packed internet comment boards alternately denouncing or excusing the charges. Most politicians are quick to distance themselves from such disreputable donations when they are discovered. Not Paul.


Daniel Siederaski of the Jewish Telegraph Agency tried to get an interview with Paul, calling him repeatedly but not receiving any return calls. Wrote Siederaski November 9: "Ron Paul will take money from Nazis. But he won’t take telephone calls from Jews." [Update] Finally on November 13 the Paul campaign responded. In a short interview JTA quotes Jim Perry, head of Jews for Paul describing his work on the Paul campaign along side a self-described white supremacist which Perry says he has reformed.


Racist ties exposed in the Times article go far beyond a single donation. Just below links to information about the "BOK KKK Ohio State Meeting", and the "BOK KKK Pennsylvania State Meeting", Stormfront.org website announced: "Ron Paul for President" and "Countdown to the 5th of November". The links take readers directly to a Ron Paul fundraising site from which they can click into the official Ron Paul 2008 donation page on the official campaign site. Like many white supremacists, Stormfront has ties to white prison gangs.


Finally on October 30 Paul's campaign came back with a non-response. In a phone interview with the Lone Star Times, Ron Paul national communications director Jesse Benton was non-committal about removing the donations link from Stormfront.org. After a week of internet controversy, the best Benton could come up with is:

"We hadn't thought of these options but I'll bring up these ideas with the campaign director. Blocking the IP address sounds like a simple and practical step that could be taken. I doubt there is anything we can do legally. Tracking donations that came from Stormfront's site sounds more complicated. I'm concerned about setting a precedent for the campaign having to screen and vet everyone who makes a donation. It is important to keep in mind is (sic) that we didn't solicit this support, and we aren't interested in spending al of our time and resources focused on this issue. We want to focus on Dr. Paul's positive agenda for freedom."
Perhaps frustrated by the weasel words, Lone Star Times asked Benton: "Bottom line- Will the Ron Paul campaign be rejecting the $500 contribution made by neo-Nazi Don Black?"


Benton's response:

"At this time, I cannot say that we will be rejecting Mr. Black's contribution, but I will bring the matter to the attention of our campaign director again, and expect some sort of decision to be made in coming days."
On October 11 Stormfront Radio endorsed Ron Paul for President saying:

"Whatever organization you belong to, remember first and foremost that you're a white nationalist, then put aside your differences with one another and work together. Work together to strive to get someone in the Oval Office who agrees with much of what we want for our future. Look at the man, look at the issues, look at our future. Vote for Ron Paul, 2008."
As of November 11--the Ron Paul donation link is still up and active on Stormfront. No IP address has been blocked. Stormfront's would-be stormtroopers are still encouraged to contribute to Paul's campaign.


The white supremacists do more than raise funds. Blogger Adam Holland reports:

"one of Rep. Paul's top internet organizers in Tennessee is a neo-Nazi leader named Will Williams (aka ‘White Will'). Williams was the southern coordinator for William Pierce's National Alliance Party, the largest neo-Nazi party in the U.S."
Pierce is author of the racist "Turner Diaries". When the Lone Star Times exposed the $500 Don Black donation, Williams responded on the national Ron Paul meetup site,

"Must Dr. Paul capitulate to our Jewish masters' demands?"
The mild responses to Williams' MeetUp post make a sharp contrast to the hatred and invective with which Paul supporters respond to Medved or any other writer questioning Paul's refusal to disassociate himself from his racist supporters. Any other campaign would presume Williams' expression of anti-Semitism was a dirty trick by an opposing campaign. Williams would have been hurriedly denounced and booted out of the campaign. Not Ron Paul.


Williams has also organized at least one other discussion, "the Israel factor revisited" on the national Ron Paul MeetUp site. Again the measured tone of the remarks by Ron Paul supporters in the comments section contrasts sharply with the invective Paul supporters rain down upon bloggers who oppose him. Paul's campaign relies heavily on MeetUp sites to organize. Over 61,000 Paul supporters are registered on MeetUp as compared to 3,400 for Barack Obama, 1,000 for Hillary Clinton, 1,800 for Dennis Kucinich and only a couple of dozen members for most other candidates.


On the white-supremacist Vanguard News Network, Williams links to Paul's "grassroots" fundraising site and organizes other racists to "game You Tube" to advance a specific Ron Paul video to the top of You Tube's rankings. Writes Williams, "Everybody here can do this, except bjb w/his ****berry." Holland points out, "BJB" stands for "burn Jew burn". BJB's internet signature is, "Nothing says lovin' like a Jew in the oven."


Williams is not Paul's only supremacist supporter. "Former" KKK leader (and convicted fraudster) David Duke's website http://www.whitecivilrights.com/, calls Ron Paul "our king" and cheers while "Ron Paul Hits a Home Run on Jay Leno Show." Duke also includes a "Ron Paul campaign update" and plugs Ron Paul fundraising efforts. These articles are posted right next to articles such as "Ten reasons why the Holocaust is a fraud" and "Germans Still Remember their Historical Greatness"-featuring a map of Hitler's Third Reich at its 1942 military height, just in case anybody doesn't get the point. Apparently "Dr. Paul's positive agenda for freedom" is attractive to those who ape the world's worst tyrants and genocidaires.


There are others. In a You Tube video circulating the internet, Ron Paul is endorsed by Hutton Gibson, a leading Holocaust denier and father of controversial actor and director Mel Gibson.

Ron Paul is supported by Patrick Buchanan, whose website carries videos and articles such as: "Ron Paul epiphany" and "Ron Paul a new hope." Buchanan has a long history of remarks some call anti-Semitic (see link). Ron Unz, editor of Buchanan's American Conservative magazine, is a Paul contributor and may have helped raise money from Silicon Valley sources.


Ron Paul's American Free Press supporters run literally from one end of the country to the other:

A Maine Ron Paul MeetUp activist who once ran for US Senate describes himself as, "a 911 truth researcher & video documentarian, & a writer for The Barnes Review." The Barnes Review is a Holocaust-denier magazine founded by Willis Carto.
A Hawaii Ron Paul MeetUp organizer is pictured here pumping the Paul campaign and selling copies of Willis Carto's American Free Press at a farmers market.
There is more to the Paul campaign than racists. The mis-named 9-11 "truth" movement has also been a big source of Paul support. The Detroit Free Press describes the scene as Republican Presidential candidate Rudy Giuliani shared the ferry ride back from a Mackinac Island Michigan Republican caucus September 21.

"According to one eyewitness, Giuliani was beset by dozens of Paul enthusiasts as he was leaving the island, some of whom shouted taunts about 9/11, including: ‘9/11 was an inside job' and ‘Rudy, Rudy, what did you do with the gold?' -- an apparent reference to rumors about $200 million in gold alleged to have disappeared in the collapse of the World Trade Center towers. Ed Wyszynski, a longtime party activist from Eagle, (MI) said the Paul supporters threatened to throw Giuliani overboard and harassed him as he took shelter in the ferry's pilothouse for the 15-minute journey back to Mackinaw City."
Paul campaign spokesman Jesse Benton told the Detroit Free Press "Ron Paul does not think that 9/11 was an inside job." But the "truthers" aren't fooled. Paul's committee paid 9-11 conspiracy nut and talk-show host Alex Jones $1300. Jones claims the payment is a partial refund after he over paid August 27 when giving Paul a $2300 contribution. Aaron Dykes of Alex Jones' company Magnolia Management and Alex Jones' Infowars website gave Ron Paul $1600.

Jones has been pumping Paul's campaign on his nationally syndicated radio show for months. Alex Jones got Paul's first radio interview January 17 after announcing his Presidential campaign. LINK: http://prisonplanet.tv/audio/170107paul.mp3. In a lengthy October 5 interview -- apparently Paul's fourth with Jones -- Paul thanks Jones for his support saying: "You and the others have always said run, run, run." Alex Jones' websites are piled with Ron Paul articles and campaign paraphernalia for sale.


Other Paul donations and activists come from leftists and Muslims. Singer and Democrat contributor Barry Manilow is also a Ron Paul contributor and possibly a fundraiser. There are close ties (but no endorsements) between Ron Paul's San Francisco Bay Area campaign and Cindy Sheehan's long-shot Congressional campaign.


An Austin, TX MeetUp site shows Paul supporters also involved in leftist groups such as Howard Dean's "Democracy for America." MeetUp lists other sites popular with members of the Ron Paul national MeetUp group. The number one choice is "9/11 questions" another leading choice is "conspiracy."


MuslimVoterOnPaul.com chimes in writing:

"Brothers and Sisters, please vote for Ron Paul in the Republican Primaries. It's our obligation to come together and try to stand up for not only our best interests, but the best interests of the entire Ummah."
A Ron Paul flyer directed at Muslims reads: "Who is Ron Paul and why does the Jerusalem Post call him crazy?" A "Muslims for Paul" bumper sticker puts the Islamic crescent in Paul's name.


The ugly mishmash of hate groups backing Paul has a Sheehan connection as well. David Duke is a big Cindy Sheehan supporter eagerly proclaiming "Cindy Sheehan is right" after Sheehan said, "My son joined the Army to protect America, not Israel." Stormfront.org members joined Sheehan at her protest campout in Crawford, TX and posed with her for photos. Sheehan is also intimately associated with the Lew Rockwell libertarian website which has posted over 200 articles by Ron Paul as well as some "scholarly" 9-11 conspiracy theories.


The white supremacist American Nationalist Union also backed Sheehan's Crawford protests and endorsed David Duke for president of the United States in 1988. Now they are backing Ron Paul-linking to numerous Pro-Paul articles posted on LewRockwell.com.


Medved's questions surprise many, but they shouldn't. Paul's links the anti-Semites and white supremacists continue a trend which has been developing since the 9-11 attacks. Barely six weeks after 9-11, Paul was already busy blaming America. On October 27, 2001 Paul wrote on LewRockwell.com, "Some sincere Americans have suggested that our modern interventionist policy set the stage for the attacks of 9-11". Paul complained: "often the ones who suggest how our policies may have played a role in evoking the attacks are demonized as unpatriotic." He says the US is "bombing Afghanistan" and is upset nobody is interested in his solution:

"It is certainly disappointing that our congressional leaders and administration have not considered using letters of marque and reprisal as an additional tool to root out those who participated in the 9-11 attacks."
Paul is quick to blame the victim when the issue is Islamist violence. But when it comes to ordinary criminal violence, Paul once blamed "95% of black males." During Paul's 1996 Congressional campaign a Houston Chronicle article raised questions about a 1992 Ron Paul newsletter article. Under Ron Paul's name was written: "If you have ever been robbed by a black teenaged male, you know how unbelievably fleet-footed they can be.' Paul added: "I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city (Washington, D.C.) are semi-criminal or entirely criminal."


Texas Monthly later interviewed Paul. He claims:

"They were never my words, but I had some moral responsibility for them . . . I actually really wanted to try to explain that it doesn't come from me directly, but they campaign aides said that's too confusing. 'It appeared in your letter and your name was on that letter and therefore you have to live with it.'"
Adds Texas Monthly:

"It is a measure of his stubbornness, determination, and ultimately his contrarian nature that, until this surprising volte-face in our interview, he had never shared this secret. It seems, in retrospect, that it would have been far, far easier to have told the truth at the time."
Paul defenders often point to a December 24, 2002 Paul essay, "What really divides us?" Wrote Paul,

"Racism is simply an ugly form of collectivism, the mindset that views humans only as members of groups and never as individuals. Racists believe that all individual who share superficial physical characteristics are alike; as collectivists, racists think only in terms of groups."
What his supporters don't often mention is that Paul deployed this fine rhetoric only in defense of Sen. Trent Lott (R-MS). Lott was pilloried in the press for his flattering words about the segregationist 1948 Presidential run of South Carolina Senator Strom Thurmond.


Responding to rioting in Los Angeles under the heading "Terrorist Updates", Paul's 1992 article exposes a double standard. Substitute the words "Islamist terrorism" for "riots" and try to imagine Paul using this language:

"The cause of the riots is plain: barbarism. If the barbarians cannot loot sufficiently through legal channels (i.e., the riots being the welfare-state minus the middleman), they resort to illegal ones, to terrorism. Trouble is, few seem willing to do anything to stop them. The cops have been handcuffed. And property owners are not allowed to defend themselves. The mayor of Los Angeles, for example, ordered the Korean storekeepers who defended themselves arrested for "discharging a firearm within city limits." Perhaps the most scandalous aspect of the Los Angeles riots was the response by the mayors, the media, and the Washington politicians. They all came together as one to excuse the violence and to tell white America that it is guilty, although the guilt can be assuaged by handing over more cash. It would be reactionary, racist, and fascist, said the media, to have less welfare or tougher law enforcement. America's number one need is an unlimited white checking account for underclass blacks.

"Rather than helping, all this will ensure that guerrilla violence will escalate. There will be more occasional eruptions such as we saw in Los Angeles, but just as terrifying are the daily muggings, robberies, burglaries, rapes, and killings that make our cities terror zones."
If one forgets the implication that the US treasury is a "white checking account" or the suggestion that all "underclass blacks" are thugs, it seems that Paul believes that appeasing street criminals "will ensure that guerrilla violence will escalate." But when it comes to the Islamist terror, Paul's message, now the theme of his Presidential campaign is: "our policies may have played a role in evoking the attacks."


The double standard raises questions. Paul's real motivation for appeasing Islamists may be underlined in quotes from a May 24, 1996 Congress Daily article:

"Stating that lobbying groups who seek special favors and handouts are evil, Paul wrote, ‘By far the most powerful lobby in Washington of the bad sort is the Israeli government' and that the goal of the Zionist movement is to stifle criticism."
"Ron Paul-America's Last Chance", a January, 2007 article by Ted Lang on the anti-Semitic site Rense.com, makes a familiar argument for supporting Paul. Lang claims,

"Dr. Paul's best credentials are those identifying him as a true libertarian, meaning a ‘classical liberal' of the anti-Federalist genre of libertarians that helped found this country, true liberals such as Thomas Jefferson, Patrick Henry and Samuel Adams...."
Paul himself writing on antiwar.com says:

"Thomas Jefferson spoke for the founders and all our early presidents when he stated: ‘peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none...' which is, ‘one of the essential principles of our government'. The question is: Whatever happened to this principle and should it be restored?"
Perhaps Paul forgets America's 1801-05 war with the Islamic terrorists known as the Barbary Pirates? Paul's interpretation of American history is false. This writer explained in "The Colonial War against Islam":

"In 1786, Thomas Jefferson, then U.S. ambassador to France, and John Adams, then American Ambassador to Britain, met in London with Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja, the Dey's ambassador to Britain, in an attempt to negotiate a peace treaty based on Congress' vote of funding. To Congress, these two future presidents later reported the reasons for the Muslims' hostility towards America, a nation with which they had no previous contacts.

"‘...that it was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as Prisoners, and that every Musselman (Muslim) who should be slain in Battle was sure to go to Paradise.'"
Apparently Paul chooses to remember only the parts of American history which benefit his arguments. As part of the War on Terror Paul wants the US to abandon, the US Navy is on duty fighting Islamic pirates off the coast of Somalia, in the Persian Gulf, and Southeast Asia.


In spite of official silence from the Paul Campaign, hordes of Paul supporters lit up the comments section of Michael Medved's open letter on TownHall.com. In a phenomenon familiar to any blogger who posts information negative to Paul, the 500-plus comments include several which indicate that Medved has got Paul's supporters dead to rights:
"Your own Zionism is slipping, Medved! Why should anyone disassociate from 9/11 Truthers?"
"I suggest you take off the tin-foil yamika (sic), your brain is fried."
"You will do anything to smear this good man to try and safeguard US policy in Israel."
"Hey Medved. Tell your AIPAC handlers to be nervous. You are failing miserably."
"It's patently obvious why you don't support Dr. Paul: He's not hand-picked by AIPAC and the Likud Party."
Over at Liberty Post, a self-described "Christian Zionist" identifying himself as ‘David Ben-Ariel' adds this response:

"If discredited and paranoid Michael Medved is so concerned about it, let him actually follow his Judaism to the Jewish Homeland of Israel and take the treacherous ACLU and its liberal ilk, and every other self-hating, defeatist, godless group and loathsome organization with him. What's he got to lose, especially if he fails to believe the Israeli oligarchy is under German-Jesuit control and guilty of murdering Yitzhak Rabin? ... I'm voting for Ron Paul."
Besides the Paul backers whose words seem to provide backing to Medved's case, others complain that it is wrong to question the sources of Paul's support. Writing on the "Daily Paul", Mike Bergmaier complains it is "unfair" for Medved to demand Paul renounce the support of anti-Semites, white supremacists, and neo-Nazis. Really? Why?


Lew Rockwell attempts to respond to Medved's question by echoing leftist themes equating Nazis with mainstream conservatives. Rockwell argues Medved should renounce Cheney and Bush. In a weak effort at verbal judo, Rockwell calls Medved's letter a "neocon libel." Rockwell continues:

"Mr. Medved, will you repudiate belligerent nationalists, drooling torturers, scheming warmongers, redistributing pressure groups, foreign aid thieves... (etc)"
and then without even pausing to catch his breath accuses Medved of practicing "guilt by association."


Perhaps Rockwell hopes weak-minded readers will not notice that associating Medved with "drooling torturers" is itself "guilt by association." No "drooling torturers" have been identified among Medved's financial backers but actual neo-Nazis have been identified by name amongst Paul's. Is this what passes for scholarship at the Ludwig von Mises Institute headed by Rockwell? Judging from many of the comments Paul supporters have flooded the internet with, it apparently is good enough for them.


Meanwhile, elsewhere on the Daily Paul, Paul's "fair" supporters are organizing to call radio stations and demand they yank Medved's show, thus demonstrating that censorship is a Libertarian value.


Neither Paul nor his campaign has officially responded to the questions raised by Medved. But then perhaps these types of comments are the official response.


Paul supporters complain endlessly that the "mainstream media" is censoring or ignoring their candidate. They should be careful what they ask for. If Paul wants to be taken seriously, he must stop cowering behind the internet and face these questions. Until then it is only reasonable to presume that Paul is happy to wallow in well-financed obscurity accepting the support of some of the worst enemies of freedom and liberty within American society.
on "The Ron Paul Campaign and its Neo-Nazi Supporters"
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Ron Paul is to Medved what Palin is to RICKMAVEN.
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Nice Googling, cutting and pasting.

The reason white supremacists "support" RP is because he would work to end foreign aid, including Israel, and is the only candidate who wants to end foreign aid (besides Gary Johnson).

Nice try though.
wheelrite Offline
#47 Posted:
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borndead1 wrote:
Nice Googling, cutting and pasting.

The reason white supremacists "support" RP is because he would work to end foreign aid, including Israel, and is the only candidate who wants to end foreign aid (besides Gary Johnson).

Nice try though.


The Ron Paulists are Zombies...

Ignore and exscuse...
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#48 Posted:
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wheelrite wrote:
The Ron Paulists are Zombies...

Ignore and exscuse...


Ignore and excuse what exactly? You can't connect RP to any of these groups. Just because they support him doesn't make him a member of the KKK. The man has been in politics for 20 something years and nobody can definitiviely connect him to any of these groups.

If you think RP supporters are zombies, what does that make people who continue to vote for run-of-the-mill Rs and Ds?

And you had no response to the fact that the KKK endorsed McCain in 2008. Does that make McCain a white supremacist?

I want to know what YOU PERSONALLY disagree with RP about. Which specific views and ideals.

Quit dodging.
wheelrite Offline
#49 Posted:
Joined: 11-01-2006
Posts: 50,119
borndead1 wrote:
Ignore and excuse what exactly? You can't connect RP to any of these groups. Just because they support him doesn't make him a member of the KKK. The man has been in politics for 20 something years and nobody can definitiviely connect him to any of these groups.

If you think RP supporters are zombies, what does that make people who continue to vote for run-of-the-mill Rs and Ds?

And you had no response to the fact that the KKK endorsed McCain in 2008. Does that make McCain a white supremacist?

I want to know what YOU PERSONALLY disagree with RP about. Which specific views and ideals.

Quit dodging.


1st,
He never returned the donations from the KKK and other racist groups. Money = influence.

Paul is an isolationist.He despises Israel and is a phoney.If he was a true "Libertarian" he would run as such not as a GOP Candidate.
He's politcal hack/opportunist like all the rest.

He's the Poster Child for The "Blame America crowd".

I don't disagree with a few of his postions on the economy.

He's an emabarassment and constantly says ridiculous things.

I find it amusing that The RP sycophants bite it all Hook line and sinker.He's even Co-sponsored legislation with Barney Frank...

the list is long...
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By Palash R. Ghosh | September 11, 2011 8:00 AM EDT

Ron Paul, the once and future Republican presidential candidate and cult-hero among Libertarians, has a long and disturbing history of racialism and anti-Semitism.

During an appearance on Chris Matthews’ ‘Hardball’ TV program on MSNBC a few years ago, Paul defended earlier comments his son Rand made regarding the 1964 Civil Rights Act (which he asserted his father’s Libertarian views would have led him to oppose the law



Ron Paul told Matthews he would have voted against the Act in Congress, and added "I wouldn't vote against getting rid of the Jim Crow laws."

He explained that didn’t necessarily oppose the intent of the Act (to eliminate institutionalized discrimination against blacks), but rather because it imposed on the personal rights of private business owners.

In 2004, during the 40th anniversary of the Civil Rights Act, Paul spoke against the law, stating that it violated the Constitution and curbed individual freedoms

Paul had published a plethora of newsletters over his political career with names including Ron Paul’s Freedom Report, Ron Paul Political Report, The Ron Paul Survival Report, among many others.

In June 1992, in the wake of the ‘Rodney King riots’ in Los Angeles that killed dozens and caused $1-billion of property damage, the Ron Paul Political Report wrote: “Order was only restored in L.A. when it came time for the blacks to pick up their welfare checks three days after rioting began,”

The editorial suggested that the looting and rioting was an inevitable consequence of the federal government providing blacks with “civil rights quotas, mandated hiring preferences, set-asides for government contracts, gerrymandered voting districts, black bureaucracies, black mayors, black curricula in schools, black TV shows, black TV anchors, hate crime laws, and public humiliation for anyone who dares question the black agenda.”

Paul’s screed also attacked the media for espousing the belief that “America’s number one need is an unlimited white checking account for underclass blacks.”

A few years before, in December 1989, Paul’s Investment Letter spelled out a doomsday scenario for the future, warning that “racial violence will fill our cities” because “mostly black welfare recipients will feel justified in stealing from mostly white ‘haves.’”

Two months later, another Paul newsletter predicted “The Coming Race War.”

In the following year an article advised readers: “If you live in a major city, and can leave, do so. If not, but you can have a rural retreat, for investment and refuge, buy it.”

In June 1991, following incidents of racial clashes in Washington, DC, a Paul newsletter featured an article titled: “Animals Take Over the D.C. Zoo.”

“This is only the first skirmish in the race war of the 1990s,” the newsletter gloomily warned.

In October 1992, in a segment on urban crime, Paul’s newsletter declared: “I’ve urged everyone in my family to know how to use a gun in self-defense. For the animals are coming.”

Following a basketball game in Chicago in which the Bulls won the NBA championship in 1992, Paul’s publication sneered that: “blacks poured into the streets of Chicago in celebration. How to celebrate? How else? They broke the windows of stores to loot.”

The newsletter also assailed white liberals for wanting “to keep white America from taking action against black crime and welfare. Jury verdicts, basketball games, and even music are enough to set off black rage, it seems.”

Another newsletter claimed that “opinion polls consistently show only about 5 percent of blacks have sensible political opinions,” and “if you have ever been robbed by a black teenaged male, you know how unbelievably fleet-footed they can be.”

Paul’s publication also attacked the distinguished black congresswoman for Texas Barbara Jordan as “the archetypical half-educated victimologist” whose “race and sex protect her from criticism.”

Another newsletter declared: "The criminals who terrorize our cities -- in riots and on every non-riot day -- are not exclusively young black males, but they largely are. As children, they are trained to hate whites, to believe that white oppression is responsible for all black ills, to 'fight the power,' to steal and loot as much money from the white enemy as possible."

In 1991, a Paul-controlled newsletter praised ex-Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke.

“Duke lost the [Senate] election [in Louisiana], but he scared the blazes out of the Establishment,” it stated.

Paul also has expressed hostility toward the Jews.

According to the Philadelphia Jewish Voice, Paul refused to return a campaign contribution in 2008 from white supremacist and notorious anti-Semite Don Black.

Paul has reportedly called Israel “evil” and has alleged that the Mossad, the Israeli intelligence agency, might have blown up the World Trade Center in 1993.
In 1987, an edition of Paul's Investment Letter described Israel as "an aggressive, national socialist state."

However, it isn’t clear if Paul himself wrote any of these inflammatory segments (the newsletters apparently lacked by-lines). Paul himself has reportedly said many of these passages were taken out of context.

When confronted by CNN, Paul insisted that he was not the author of the racialist pieces and that he had "no idea" who did.

Moreover, he denied having any racial bias.

"When you bring this question up, you're really saying, 'You're a racist' or 'Are you a racist?' And the answer is, 'No, I'm not a racist,'" he said.

He added that he repudiated “everything that is written along those lines.”

Paul also told CNN: "People [who] know me, nobody is going to believe this. That's just not my language. It's not my life. Martin Luther King, Rosa Parks, Gandhi, they're [my] heroes."

Paul has also claimed that he sympathizes with blacks who have been victimized by draconian drug laws. He once told a reporter: "I am the anti-racist because I am the only candidate -- Republican or Democrat -- who would protect the [minorities] against these vicious drug laws. Libertarians are incapable of being a racist, because racism is a collectivist idea."

However, David Gergen, a CNN senior political analyst, didn’t buy Paul’s denials.

"These stories may be very old in Ron Paul's life, but they're very new to the American public and they deserve to be totally ventilated," he said "I must say I don't think there's an excuse in politics to have something go out under your name and say, 'Oh by the way, I didn't write that.'"

Paul remains a unique and singular character in U.S. politics. His adherence to libertarian values, and opposition to foreign military intervention and drug laws have won him the admiration and support among many liberals, especially among the youth.

His espousal of limited government and attacks on certain government agencies, including the Federal Reserve, has gained him support among some conservatives.

However, the mainstream Republican Party largely rejects Paul and regards him as a crackpot.

Without broad support, Paul is unlikely to ever gain enough clout to win the Presidency.

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