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Occupiers vs Tea Party: From the Presidents Viewpoint...
tailgater Offline
#1 Posted:
Joined: 06-01-2000
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President Obama has repeatedly encouraged the Occupiers by stating that they express the general frustration within our Country. That they somehow represent the majority of people.
One quote:
“I think it expresses the frustrations the American people feel, that we had the biggest financial crisis since the Great Depression, huge collateral damage all throughout the country … and yet you’re still seeing some of the same folks who acted irresponsibly trying to fight efforts to crack down on the abusive practices that got us into this in the first place,”


This is in stark contrast to his statements about the Tea Party.
A group that has become well organized, and speaks for millions. A group that has taken their "fight" to the politicians, not to the companies who actually employ tax payers and create revenue.
No. To this group, Obama has repeatedly suggested that they are motivated by race. Or that their viewpoints are rejected by the "vast majority" of the population.


Now my view:

This Occupier thing should embarrass any intelligent person.
For every person who showed up to make a point (even one they can't seem to define), there are at least a dozen yahoos who just want to whine and blame other people for their problems (sounds like someone I know over on Pennsylvania Avenue).

They are a bunch of losers.

You want corporations to stop using lobbyists? Talk to your politicians.
You want to eliminate the corporate and CEO tax loop holes? Talk to your politicians.
You want end subsidies for companies who outsource overseas? Talk to your politicans.

These self righteous buffoons don't even know what they're whining about. They are content to simply know that they can whine together.

Compare them to the Tea Party???
Are you sh*tting me?? They're polar opposites, and it's an insult to the Tea Party to make such a comparison.
One dares to stand up to the political establishment.
The other uses rowdy crowds to impede productivity while simultaneously complaining that they can't find a job.
Yet the irony is lost on them.










DrafterX Offline
#2 Posted:
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we should release the war puppy-dogs on them.... Mellow
Brewha Offline
#3 Posted:
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Cry HAVOC! And let slip the puppy-dogs of war!
DrafterX Offline
#4 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
Cry HAVOC! And let slip the puppy-dogs of war!



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Bluedevil Offline
#5 Posted:
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ram27bat

It's the Tea Party or the pee party!!
Brewha Offline
#6 Posted:
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Tailgater – I envy you your simple view of the world. You think life is on the level and all we have to do is tell our representative to stop cooperate greed and tax loop holes.

What are you worried the OWS people will do? You think they might end corporate welfare? They might make white collar crime a crime?

Americans are being taken advantage of. Reform is needed and it won’t come from those who have the wealth – it does not serve their interest.
hank56 Offline
#7 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
Tailgater – I envy you your simple view of the world. You think life is on the level and all we have to do is tell our representative to stop cooperate greed and tax loop holes.

What are you worried the OWS people will do? You think they might end corporate welfare? They might make white collar crime a crime?

Americans are being taken advantage of. Reform is needed and it won’t come from those who have the wealth – it does not serve their interest.


The difference between the Tea Party tactic and the OWS is that the Tea Party went to DC to rally in view of government and their representatives and got some form of result, to what extent is arguable. OWS is picketing businesses who as you so eloquently state have no interest in "reform".

I must also ask of you, who do you expect to reform the system? I figure it has to come from DC one way or another.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#8 Posted:
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hank56 wrote:
The difference between the Tea Party tactic and the OWS is that the Tea Party went to DC to rally in view of government and their representatives and got some form of result, to what extent is arguable. OWS is picketing businesses who as you so eloquently state have no interest in "reform".

I must also ask of you, who do you expect to reform the system? I figure it has to come from DC one way or another.



Yet another difference between the OWs losers and the Tea Party.

They effectively sought and garnered change by sweeping victories in DC.

The OWS'ers...won't amount to a thing except being on a police blotter.
tailgater Offline
#9 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
Tailgater – I envy you your simple view of the world. You think life is on the level and all we have to do is tell our representative to stop cooperate greed and tax loop holes.

What are you worried the OWS people will do? You think they might end corporate welfare? They might make white collar crime a crime?

Americans are being taken advantage of. Reform is needed and it won’t come from those who have the wealth – it does not serve their interest.


Simple view?
If you mean "simple", as in "attack the problem by going to those who can actually help you", then yes I guess it is simple. Why bang your head on the wall that won't budge?

What the OWS crowd is doing is nothing more than whining. And most are just trying to be hippies and/or get arrested so they can tell their future bastards how rebellious they were.

They are a joke.

But since you are in support of their effort, let me ask you: Who is more likely to cave in to a popular movement: Congress or Wall Street?

You call it simple. I call it reality.
Something you could use a heavy dose of.
HockeyDad Offline
#10 Posted:
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Pitchforks and torches for sale!

Get your pitchforks and torches right here!
FuzzNJ Offline
#11 Posted:
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The one thing it should be obvious to anyone that it shows is that liberal/progressive people have no problem showing that they disapprove of what's going on in their country regardless of who is in office at the time. The same crap has been going on for a long time, but the tea party wasn't even around and the Republicans kept defending Bush on everything until McCain lost and Bush was long gone. Then they began to agree with some of what us liberals were saying all along. Hell, Republicans want to get out of Afghanistan now, at least most of those running for another term are.

I've said for years now that Obama is not liberal and he's just continuing Bush's policies. The left gave him a chance, he blew it and its lead to this movement and it's still growing. I don't know what the long term effect will be, but it's obvious that it's not being well received by the right. They've even had to start agreeing with part of what the OWS movement is saying because it's anti-Obama, but still dismiss them by calling them dirty, hippies and losers, etc. Strange though since so many of them are unemployed, underemployed, lost their houses, etc, all the things they like to blame Obama for.

Kind of reminds me of the anti-war demonstrations of the 60's when Johnson was president and during the 68 DNC. Liberals protesting Democrats because what is wrong is wrong, not political.
ZRX1200 Offline
#12 Posted:
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Yes fuzzy no right wingers had any problems with Bush until Mcshame ran.......

The occupiers do have some redeeming complaints. Taking us further towards communism isn't one I agree with.

More libratarian Rs haven't gone anywhere if you're paying attention. And were taking back our party.
fiddler898 Offline
#13 Posted:
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Oh please, OP, spare us your indignation. This entire thread is an exercise in hair-splitting, and most of us our age can't spare the hairs to split.

PS You and I are still the 1%.
FuzzNJ Offline
#14 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Yes fuzzy no right wingers had any problems with Bush until Mcshame ran.......

The occupiers do have some redeeming complaints. Taking us further towards communism isn't one I agree with.

More libratarian Rs haven't gone anywhere if you're paying attention. And were taking back our party.


Where were the protests? Rush said

"But the way I feel is this: I feel liberated, and I'm just going to tell you as plainly as I can why. I no longer am going to have to carry the water for people who I don't think deserve having their water carried. Now, you might say, "Well, why have you been doing it?" Because the stakes are high. Even though the Republican Party let us down, to me they represent a far better future for my beliefs and therefore the country's than the Democrat [sic] Party does and liberalism."

So he was and began again after that obviously lying and compromizing his principles for politics.

There are a few communists at these rallies I'm sure, just as there are some racists and fascists at Tea Party rallies, but that isn't what they are protesting for. So misrepresenting the message is dishonest and low.

And the Libertarians are in no way going to take over the Republican party and if you think so you are dreaming. Ron Paul is thought of as a joke by the R establishment. The social conservatives run the republicans, the libertarians have no chance.
wheelrite Offline
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FuzzNJ wrote:
The one thing it should be obvious to anyone that it shows is that liberal/progressive people have no problem showing that they disapprove of what's going on in their country regardless of who is in office at the time. The same crap has been going on for a long time, but the tea party wasn't even around and the Republicans kept defending Bush on everything until McCain lost and Bush was long gone. Then they began to agree with some of what us liberals were saying all along. Hell, Republicans want to get out of Afghanistan now, at least most of those running for another term are.

I've said for years now that Obama is not liberal and he's just continuing Bush's policies. The left gave him a chance, he blew it and its lead to this movement and it's still growing. I don't know what the long term effect will be, but it's obvious that it's not being well received by the right. They've even had to start agreeing with part of what the OWS movement is saying because it's anti-Obama, but still dismiss them by calling them dirty, hippies and losers, etc. Strange though since so many of them are unemployed, underemployed, lost their houses, etc, all the things they like to blame Obama for.

Kind of reminds me of the anti-war demonstrations of the 60's when Johnson was president and during the 68 DNC. Liberals protesting Democrats because what is wrong is wrong, not political.



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Brewha Offline
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tailgater wrote:
Simple view?
If you mean "simple", as in "attack the problem by going to those who can actually help you", then yes I guess it is simple. Why bang your head on the wall that won't budge?

What the OWS crowd is doing is nothing more than whining. And most are just trying to be hippies and/or get arrested so they can tell their future bastards how rebellious they were.

They are a joke.

But since you are in support of their effort, let me ask you: Who is more likely to cave in to a popular movement: Congress or Wall Street?

You call it simple. I call it reality.
Something you could use a heavy dose of.


History is replete with example of people marching and assembling to effect change against social systems that took advantage. And there was always someone there to say they were a joke and that they should eat cake. Even our own veterans marched on Washington in 1932 for fair an equitable treatment. But they where whiners too, right?

If you feel that corporate laws and taxes don’t need reform, then call the protesters sissies. But live with your eroding middle class position and watch the 1% own your retirement.

Maybe just pray to the next rich man or corporation you see for benevolent equity. And while you are at it, say hi to Santa Clause.

People who won’t standup for themselves are the worst kind of cowards.
ZRX1200 Offline
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Fuzzy.

I have seen signs and heard people talk from the rally. I am not assuming anything.

So you're suggesting maybe I should just be a sheep and go along with a stablishement Rs or should I be a sheep and let my hair grow out, and quit bathing?
HockeyDad Offline
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Brewha wrote:
If you feel that corporate laws and taxes don’t need reform, then call the protesters sissies.


We do need less regulation and lower corporate taxes.
HockeyDad Offline
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Brewha wrote:
People who won’t standup for themselves are the worst kind of cowards.



Have you joined the protests yet? I'm going to go demand an end to Sarbanes-Oxley.
FuzzNJ Offline
#20 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Fuzzy.

I have seen signs and heard people talk from the rally. I am not assuming anything.

So you're suggesting maybe I should just be a sheep and go along with a stablishement Rs or should I be a sheep and let my hair grow out, and quit bathing?


I am not going to even respond to posts that don't follow the conversation logically. Waste of time. If you want to re-read my post and try again fine.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#21 Posted:
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FuzzNJ wrote:
I am not going to even respond to posts that don't follow the conversation logically. Waste of time. If you want to re-read my post and try again fine.



No, really the torture was bad enough the first time trying to follow convoluted logic that makes no sense....MY EYES!!!


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DrMaddVibe Offline
#22 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
History is replete with example of people marching and assembling to effect change against social systems that took advantage. And there was always someone there to say they were a joke and that they should eat cake. Even our own veterans marched on Washington in 1932 for fair an equitable treatment. But they where whiners too, right?

If you feel that corporate laws and taxes don’t need reform, then call the protesters sissies. But live with your eroding middle class position and watch the 1% own your retirement.

Maybe just pray to the next rich man or corporation you see for benevolent equity. And while you are at it, say hi to Santa Clause.

People who won’t standup for themselves are the worst kind of cowards.



Yeah!


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tailgater Offline
#23 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
History is replete with example of people marching and assembling to effect change against social systems that took advantage. And there was always someone there to say they were a joke and that they should eat cake. Even our own veterans marched on Washington in 1932 for fair an equitable treatment. But they where whiners too, right?

If you feel that corporate laws and taxes don’t need reform, then call the protesters sissies. But live with your eroding middle class position and watch the 1% own your retirement.

Maybe just pray to the next rich man or corporation you see for benevolent equity. And while you are at it, say hi to Santa Clause.

People who won’t standup for themselves are the worst kind of cowards.


Brew,
You obviously hear only what you want.

I never said that the corporation laws and taxes don't need reform. They do.
But just like I don't expect middle America to protest outside the ghettos for welfare reform, I find it counter productive to protest outside of Wall Street for corporate tax reform.

Go to the source.

Oh. And have a message.
Maybe they did at first, but we all know the short term memory issues that pot-heads have.


As for the "worst kind of cowards"?
It isn't those that won't stand up for themselves. It's those who attack the wrong person in retaliation.

Brewha Offline
#24 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
Brew,
You obviously hear only what you want.



Could be true. I know it is true of many – especially on this forum!

Maybe they could be doing it better. Maybe I agree with them too much. But at least they are doing something.

Applause
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