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jetblasted Offline
#1 Posted: Wed, Nov 9 2011, 12:56 PM EST
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In the new era of taxation, the Kenyan King picks the symbolic Christmas Tree to attach new taxes.

ram27bat
DrMaddVibe Offline
#2 Posted: Wed, Nov 9 2011, 1:24 PM EST
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Tis da season.
teedubbya Offline
#3 Posted: Wed, Nov 9 2011, 1:30 PM EST
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he must hate christmas.
tailgater Offline
#4 Posted: Wed, Nov 9 2011, 1:31 PM EST
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I'm getting an Obama "star" for the top.

So I can stick the tree up his a$$.
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#5 Posted: Wed, Nov 9 2011, 1:32 PM EST
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I'm buying one of those Chinese plastic trees at WalMart!

**** Obama!whip
teedubbya Offline
#6 Posted: Wed, Nov 9 2011, 1:34 PM EST
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I wonder what that tax is for. it must be to get a war chest towards banning christmas.
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#7 Posted: Wed, Nov 9 2011, 1:35 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I wonder what that tax is for. it must be to get a war chest towards banning christmas.


He's buying Ramadan presents.
teedubbya Offline
#8 Posted: Wed, Nov 9 2011, 1:37 PM EST
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SUMMARY: This final rule establishes procedures for conducting a
referendum to determine whether the continuation

[[Page 69111]]

of the Christmas Promotion, Research, and Information Order (Order) is
favored by domestic producers and importers of Christmas trees. This
program will be implemented under the Commodity Promotion, Research,
and Information Act of 1996 (1996 Act). The 1996 Act allows for a
referendum to be conducted up to three years after the effective date
of the Order. The program will be continued if approved by a simple
majority of the current eligible domestic producers and importers
voting in the referendum. These procedures will also be used for any
subsequent referendum under the Order. The Order is being published
separately in this issue of the Federal Register.

DATES: Effective Date: December 8, 2011.
teedubbya Offline
#9 Posted: Wed, Nov 9 2011, 1:39 PM EST
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In reality it is looking at continuing to promote the christmas tree industry and if so (which appears to be the recommendation) how to fund it.

I'd vote no... do not continue it. But then I would be the xmas hater.

So the only win would be to continue to promote it but not have the industry itself pay for it wit ha 15 cent per tree tax.


meh.......


OUTRAGE - rolling eyes
HockeyDad Offline
#10 Posted: Wed, Nov 9 2011, 1:41 PM EST
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I think the new Christmas tree board qualifies as job creation.
teedubbya Offline
#11 Posted: Wed, Nov 9 2011, 1:42 PM EST
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Under these criteria, the majority of the domestic producers that
would be covered under this Order will be considered small entities,
while most importers will not. Domestic producers and importers who
produced or imported less than 500 Christmas trees annually will be
exempt from the assessment. Organic domestic producers and importers
are also expected to be exempt from assessments. The number of entities
assessed under the program would be approximately 3,263. Estimated
revenue is expected at $2 million of which 10 percent is expected from
imported product and 90 percent from domestic product.
teedubbya Offline
#12 Posted: Wed, Nov 9 2011, 1:43 PM EST
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This rule establishes procedures for conducting a referendum

to determine whether domestic producers and importers favor continuation
of a Christmas tree Order.



USDA will conduct the referendum. The 1996
Act allows for a referendum to be conducted determining if domestic
producers and importers favor the Order and also providing that a
referendum be conducted up to three years after the effective date of
the Proposed Order. Domestic producers and importers can vote three
years after the establishment of the program to determine if they favor
the continuation of the program. The procedures will also be used for
any subsequent referendum under the Order. The procedures are
authorized under paragraph (e) of section 518 the 1996 Act.
Regarding the economic impact of the Order on affected entities,
domestic producers and importers of more than 500 Christmas trees
annually will be required to pay assessments to the Board. As
previously mentioned, the initial assessment rate will be $0.15 per
Christmas tree domestically produced or imported to the United States
and could be increased to no more than $0.20 per Christmas tree. Voting
in the referendum is optional. If current domestic producers and
importers chose to vote, the burden of voting would be offset by the
benefits of having the opportunity to vote on whether or not they want
the program to become effective.
teedubbya Offline
#13 Posted: Wed, Nov 9 2011, 1:44 PM EST
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WOW.... sometimes facts don't match outrage
HockeyDad Offline
#14 Posted: Wed, Nov 9 2011, 1:45 PM EST
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Shouldn't these be "Holiday Trees"?
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#15 Posted: Wed, Nov 9 2011, 1:45 PM EST
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Think
you should have to buy a permit for a live tree also.... and purchase a stamp if you actually go cut one down yourself... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#16 Posted: Wed, Nov 9 2011, 1:46 PM EST
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who was in office when this original bill went through?

96 - was that clinton? did gw kill the program or just continue to fund it with the general fund?
DrafterX Offline
#17 Posted: Wed, Nov 9 2011, 1:48 PM EST
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I dunno...... I've never seen a Christmas Tree commercial tho.... Think
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#18 Posted: Wed, Nov 9 2011, 1:48 PM EST
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http://tinyurl.com/cxkmn9a
teedubbya Offline
#19 Posted: Wed, Nov 9 2011, 1:49 PM EST
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It is fun to watch folks reporting slanted info from secondary sources. go look at the fed register and interprit for yourself. lemmings.
HockeyDad Offline
#20 Posted: Wed, Nov 9 2011, 1:51 PM EST
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I thought this new tax was to fund a board that did not exist prior. Are you saying the board has always existed?
DrMaddVibe Offline
#21 Posted: Wed, Nov 9 2011, 1:52 PM EST
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They won't git my money!

There's no taxation for Festivus poles!
teedubbya Offline
#22 Posted: Wed, Nov 9 2011, 1:53 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
I thought this new tax was to fund a board that did not exist prior. Are you saying the board has always existed?


nope the board (which I would vote no and kill the program itself) is new and meant to drive things. the activities are not new to my understanding. it appears as if this has been an aimless suck hole and should be killed. instead we are putting in anothe layer of costs and off setting the costs with taxes!

bad idea. but not as advertised.
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#23 Posted: Wed, Nov 9 2011, 1:54 PM EST
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and I could be wrong...I often am. but to characterize this as a tax to somehow hurt the christmass industry is stoopid.

IE


the idea could be killed and painted stupid on reality rather than the sillyness of our kenyan muslim black king hating christmas.
HockeyDad Offline
#24 Posted: Wed, Nov 9 2011, 1:55 PM EST
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Actually it looks like the board and the activities are new.
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#25 Posted: Wed, Nov 9 2011, 1:56 PM EST
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I second the motion.
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#26 Posted: Wed, Nov 9 2011, 1:58 PM EST
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If the christmas tree industry cannot survive on its own too bad. Maybe if the didn't charge $75 for something I can buy a permit to get myself for $5 (plus I get to take beer and cigars and a propane heater with me) they would do better.
teedubbya Offline
#27 Posted: Wed, Nov 9 2011, 1:58 PM EST
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you may be right. I need to go re-read it. the 96 act may just be how to conduct the referendum.

ok so obama hates christmas again and the world goes back to normal LOL
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#28 Posted: Wed, Nov 9 2011, 2:01 PM EST
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All those oppossed?
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#29 Posted: Wed, Nov 9 2011, 2:01 PM EST
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someone should propose a 15 cent tax on chicken wings.... wonder how far that would get..? Mellow
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#30 Posted: Wed, Nov 9 2011, 2:02 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
someone should propose a 15 cent tax on chicken wings.... wonder how far that would get..? Mellow



From her fingertips to her lipsThink
teedubbya Offline
#31 Posted: Wed, Nov 9 2011, 2:02 PM EST
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you are right hd. I read it wrong. the 96 act is more global and being used to justify this.


The proponent, the Christmas Tree Checkoff Task Force is an
industry wide group of producers and importers that support this
proposed program. They have conducted meetings throughout the United
States with several State and multi-State Christmas tree organizations.
The proposed program is not intended to duplicate any State program.
The proponents have determined that they need a mechanism that would be
sustainable over time. A national Christmas tree research and promotion
program would accomplish this goal.



I am against it but it looks like they are trying to form a self sustaining (cough) industry group. the govt needs to stay out of this.

but it isn't an anti christmas tree thing. quite the opposite.
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#32 Posted: Wed, Nov 9 2011, 2:04 PM EST
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In Christmas we trust!!!!Frying pan
DrafterX Offline
#33 Posted: Wed, Nov 9 2011, 2:05 PM EST
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there should be a core charge also.... Mellow
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#34 Posted: Wed, Nov 9 2011, 2:06 PM EST
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A core in a manger...
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#35 Posted: Wed, Nov 9 2011, 2:41 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Shouldn't these be "Holiday Trees"?


Keep the X in Xmas!
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#36 Posted: Wed, Nov 9 2011, 2:45 PM EST
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Mellow
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#37 Posted: Wed, Nov 9 2011, 3:11 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
you may be right. I need to go re-read it. the 96 act may just be how to conduct the referendum.

ok so obama hates christmas again and the world goes back to normal LOL



No, no....Obama likes Christmas trees and now he is going to advertise for them through a new government board which creates new government jobs!

We got job creation and a relaxation in the war on Christmas. Until a lawsuit is filed declaring this unconstitutional.
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#38 Posted: Wed, Nov 9 2011, 3:34 PM EST
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How are the peoples on the welfare gonna get Christmas trees..?? nobody ever thinks about the peoples on the welfare.... Sad
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#39 Posted: Wed, Nov 9 2011, 3:37 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
How are the peoples on the welfare gonna get Christmas trees..?? nobody ever thinks about the peoples on the welfare.... Sad



They'll get really little trees. The 1%ers get the huge trees. The 15 cent tax will apply equally to the little and huge trees thus causing an outcry that it is a regressive tax. Ultimately, someone will poop in a Christmas tree store.
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#40 Posted: Wed, Nov 9 2011, 3:40 PM EST
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Maybe they'll get leftover Katrina debit cards to buy a tree with. Could put Obamas picture on it in a santa outfit!


Obamaclause
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#41 Posted: Wed, Nov 9 2011, 3:50 PM EST
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Hi it's DrMaddVibe from CBid, you'll be saying wow everytime.
It's like a tree, it's like a block of cheese, it's like a decoration.
A regular Christmas tree doesn't work.
This is for the house
The Car
The Boat
The RV
A Christmas tree holds 20 times it's weight in lights and bulbs, look at this, it just does the work.
Why do you want to work twice as hard? It doesn't drip, doesn't make a mess, make sure it has water.
Made in Germany, you know the germans always make good stuff.
You can cut it in half, use one as a table decoration, use one for Jade's midget.

Now we're gonna do this in real time, look at this, put it on the rug,turn it around without putting any pressure, 50% of the lights...right there you following me camera guy?
The other 50% the lights start to come up no other tree is gonna do that.


I can't live without it, i just love it!
Oh my gosh i don't even buy fake trees anymore.
If you're gonna put your presents in and under any other tree, you'll be out of your mind not to own one of these.
All i can say is Christ! Mas!

You're gonna spend twenty dollars every Holiday season on a fake tree anyway you're throwin away your money.
The mini Christmas trees are for everything, for everyday use.
This last ten years, this last a week, i don't know it sells itself.
The Christmas Tree sells for 19.95 you get one for the house, one for the car.
But if you call now, within the next twenty minutes cause we can't do this all day, we'll give you a second set absolutely free. So that's 4 Christmas trees for 19.95. it comes with a ten year warrenty, here's how to order.

Call 1-800-830-4590
Christmas Trees is not available in stores and is made in germany beware of Christmas tree immitators, call 1-800-830-4590 thats 1-800-830-4590 call now
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#42 Posted: Wed, Nov 9 2011, 3:57 PM EST
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they said I had to pay shipping if I didn't buy their membership and stuff.... Mellow
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#43 Posted: Wed, Nov 9 2011, 3:59 PM EST
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You forgot to enter the "code".
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#44 Posted: Wed, Nov 9 2011, 4:01 PM EST
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d'oh!
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#45 Posted: Wed, Nov 9 2011, 4:06 PM EST
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Angel
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#46 Posted: Wed, Nov 9 2011, 4:14 PM EST
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The Kenyan King Kalled It Kuits!


He's NOT going after the money for Ramadan presents after all.

Horton hears a who.
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#47 Posted: Wed, Nov 9 2011, 4:38 PM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
The Kenyan King Kalled It Kuits!


He's NOT going after the money for Ramadan presents after all.

Horton hears a who.




poor welfare peoples.... Sad
HockeyDad Offline
#48 Posted: Thu, Nov 10 2011, 6:09 AM EST
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The Obama administration has now changed its mind and is canceling the Christmas tree tax.

I am assuming it wasn't polling well in the 25-40 year old age demographic.
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#49 Posted: Tue, Nov 22 2011, 12:28 PM EST
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I THOUGHT ONLY CONGRESS CAN LEVY TAXES?
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#50 Posted: Tue, Nov 22 2011, 12:32 PM EST
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I ALSO THOUGHT WITH PUTZ GONE WE WERE NO LONGER CALLING
PRESIDENT OBAMA, THE KENNYON KING OR IDA AMINN JR.
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