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Illegal..?? No Utilities for YOU!!!!
DrafterX Offline
#1 Posted:
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No legal immigration status? No electricity, no gas, and no water service.

This is the criterion Decatur Utilities in Alabama has decided to use when determining who gets necessary home utilities from their company.

According to The Decatur Daily, Decatur Utilities is now prohibiting immigrants without proper documentation from obtaining utilities for their homes.

Stephen Pirkle, Decatur Utilities business manager and chief financial officer, said DU required identification for residents seeking utilities, but their immigration status was never queried, according to the publication.

“We did not document or confirm whether or not they were citizens or aliens here legally,” Pirkle said, reported the newspaper. “Because of the new law, we are now going through the process to confirm that they are either citizen or an alien here legally.”

The U.S. Department of Justice predicted this situation when seeking that the new Alabama immigration law, known as HB56, be deemed unconstitutional.

“If they are not here legally, we will deny them service,” said Pirkle.

Alabama State Attorney General Luther Strange rebuffed the DOJ’s claim by stating they were “misinterpreting” or “exaggerating” the requisites of the law, the newspaper said.

“Its fear that Section 30 would prohibit such aliens from having running water or sewer services, for example has little basis,” wrote Strange in his response to the department, The Decatur Daily reported.

Alabama's immigration law makes it a felony for immigrants to have business or contracts with the state.

“If you’re already a customer and you already have service with us – and there is no discontinuation of service – we don’t have to do anything,” Pirkle said.

DU began imposing the requirement in the last two weeks, according to Pirkle.

Some parts of the law, considered the strictest state-level immigration measure in the nation, have been blocked by federal courts. But a section that allows police to check a person's immigration status during traffic stops still stands.

Some immigrants, even those in the country legally, worry that the law could lead to improper detentions or racial profiling – concerns that police and supporters of the law dismiss.

Since Alabama's law was enacted, many Hispanics – the state's fastest growing immigrant group over the last decade – have reportedly left the state. Even among legal residents, many said they were leaving either because they feared the law would lead to racial profiling or because they have family members who are here illegally.


Film at 11..... Not talking
dubleuhb Offline
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Holder should be along soon.
DrMaddVibe Offline
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Awesome!


Applause


You're from Mexico...living here in America?


Can't speak the language...won't learn...why not keep it real?


Applause


Yes, please....continue to live like you would in your native country and set an example for the occupoopers!Frying pan
DrafterX Offline
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Think Think

can illegals buy property here..?? Huh should land ownership give you the right to vote..?? Huh
dalek Offline
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I forsee a whole cottage industry built on proxy ownership of utilities
rfenst Offline
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If the illegals who have left were involved in agriculture, expect prices to rise.
pdxstogieman Offline
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Republican politicians want illegal aliens here to work and not vote

Democratic politicians want illegal aliens here to vote and not work.

- ****** Morris
wheelrite Offline
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Pedro will be very sad to hear about this...

It's an inhumane policy...
HockeyDad Offline
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dalek wrote:
I forsee a whole cottage industry built on proxy ownership of utilities



Opportunity knocks!
wheelrite Offline
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Identity theft will run rampant in Alabama.

This is bad policy. Innocent children will be affected by not having water and electricity in their humble abodes.

There is a much better way ...


wheel,
fiddler898 Offline
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Oh gosh, my whole life and livelihood are at risk because illegals have utilities...! I feel colder already...
DrafterX Offline
#12 Posted:
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fiddler898 wrote:
Oh gosh, my whole life and livelihood are at risk because illegals have utilities...! I feel colder already...



that was Sarcasm right..?? Huh
ZRX1200 Offline
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Well thanks to some real thinkers they might be able to vote soon!!!


http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=364093
DadZilla3 Offline
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Well thanks to some real thinkers they might be able to vote soon!!!

I'm going out on a limb here and guess that most if not all of these real thinkers are liberal Democrats.
pdxstogieman Offline
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DadZilla3 wrote:
I'm going out on a limb here and guess that most if not all of these real thinkers are liberal Democrats.


And I don't have to go out on a limb to assert that a lot of the real thinkers who continue to shy away from effective enforcement of immigration laws in order to maintain a ready supply of cheap workers are Republicans.

it's pretty transparent that both parties try to talk out of both sides of their mouths on the issue of illegal immigration for vastly different purposes.
DrafterX Offline
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pdxstogieman wrote:
And I don't have to go out on a limb to assert that a lot of the real thinkers who continue to shy away from effective enforcement of immigration laws in order to maintain a ready supply of cheap workers are Republicans.




not here in Oklahoma.... Not talking
DadZilla3 Offline
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pdxstogieman wrote:
it's pretty transparent that both parties try to talk out of both sides of their mouths on the issue of illegal immigration for vastly different purposes.

I read a quote recently that pretty well sums it up; it went something like this: the Republicans want illegals to work but not vote, and the Democrats want illegals to vote but not work...
ZRX1200 Offline
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The bills author is the fine moslem from minnesota
TMCTLT Offline
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wheelrite wrote:
Pedro will be very sad to hear about this...

It's an inhumane policy...



No it is NOT and I wish more States had the testicular fortitude to join them. They have no right to expect Anything here......they're here ILLEGALLY!! Get it???
rfenst Offline
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TMCTLT wrote:
No it is NOT and I wish more States had the testicular fortitude to join them. They have no right to expect Anything here......they're here ILLEGALLY!! Get it???


As long as they are paying for it, why don't they have the right to buy it (notwithstanding the fact that they are here illegally)?
TMCTLT Offline
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rfenst wrote:
As long as they are paying for it, why don't they have the right to buy it (notwithstanding the fact that they are here illegally)?



I phucking give up.......why have ANY laws whatsoever regarding our borders if ANYONE can come here? I've got a **** SS# and all kinds of other **** to help our Gov. track me /my business / whether or not I'm paying my fair share of taxes. But your right as long as they have $$$$ give them the key to the city Sarcasm Brick wall Brick wall Brick wall
ZRX1200 Offline
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Give em time.....




They'll steal it.
nickatnite Offline
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pdxstogieman wrote:
And I don't have to go out on a limb to assert that a lot of the real thinkers who continue to shy away from effective enforcement of immigration laws in order to maintain a ready supply of cheap workers are Republicans.

it's pretty transparent that both parties try to talk out of both sides of their mouths on the issue of illegal immigration for vastly different purposes.





DadZilla3 wrote:
I read a quote recently that pretty well sums it up; it went something like this: the Republicans want illegals to work but not vote, and the Democrats want illegals to vote but not work...






well said.
T Z Offline
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All illegals should be rounded up and forced into labor camps fpr one year ,to clean up the mess they have and continue to make in the desert. then take them to the border and SHOOT them.
nickatnite Offline
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T Z wrote:
All illegals should be rounded up and forced into labor camps fpr one year ,to clean up the mess they have and continue to make in the desert. then take them to the border and SHOOT them.





+1 on everything,....EXCEPT the SHOOTING part. I don't think anyone......except you of course(and of course, I could be wrong).......is advocating murder. What?.....corral them up like cattle? Maybe a firing squad? WTF !?!?!?!?
T Z Offline
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Its not murder. Its exterminating vermin.
FuzzNJ Offline
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T Z wrote:
All illegals should be rounded up and forced into labor camps fpr one year ,to clean up the mess they have and continue to make in the desert. then take them to the border and SHOOT them.


Wow. Disgusting.
Mathen Offline
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After the illegals who next? The blacks maybe? Then who?

Let me know when you're ready to round up and kill all the Jews so I can get the eff out of this country the same way my family had to flee Poland.

Wow, killing people for wanting something better for themselves and their families. My mind reels.
Mathen Offline
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After the illegals who next? The blacks maybe? Then who?

Let me know when you're ready to round up and kill all the Jews so I can get the eff out of this country the same way my family had to flee Poland.

Wow, killing people for wanting something better for themselves and their families. My mind reels.
T Z Offline
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LOL your all to easy. But i was serious about making them clean up the desert.
FuzzNJ Offline
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T Z wrote:
LOL your all to easy. But i was serious about making them clean up the desert.


Easy? Hardly. Joking about genocide isn't humor.
rfenst Offline
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TMCTLT wrote:
I phucking give up.......why have ANY laws whatsoever regarding our borders if ANYONE can come here? I've got a **** SS# and all kinds of other **** to help our Gov. track me /my business / whether or not I'm paying my fair share of taxes. But your right as long as they have $$$$ give them the key to the city Sarcasm Brick wall Brick wall Brick wall



Look, we all know they are here illegally. No one disputes that. No one disputes out government failed to control our borders consistent with our laws. And, no one would think for a moment that most illegal immigrants don't pay income taxes to the federal and state governments. Notwithstanding all this, don't you believe that there are certain inalienable rights all humans are entitled to?
T Z Offline
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Fuzz nobody said anything about genocide. Just I never said wipe out all of central america. dont read into whats not there. thats why your TOO EASY.
T Z Offline
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rfenst ..Yes humans should have rights. But not when they break the law and demand welfare ,public education. healthcare, refusing to learn the language of the country.
FuzzNJ Offline
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T Z wrote:
Fuzz nobody said anything about genocide. Just I never said wipe out all of central america. dont read into whats not there. thats why your TOO EASY.


I suggest just stopping your ridiculous defense of a really stupid statement.
rfenst Offline
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T Z wrote:
rfenst ..Yes humans should have rights. But not when they break the law and demand welfare ,public education. healthcare, refusing to learn the language of the country.



STOP.

This is not about welfare, not about education, not about healthcare, and not about speaking english.


It is about elictricity, gas and water supply to residences.

And of all things, it is about a utility company or comapanies being the arbitrar- which is just not good enough for me.

ZRX1200 Offline
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They have a right to refuse service no?
chiefburg Offline
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I think we have plenty of laws covering illegal aliens much like most countries in the world. The difference is we don't enforce our laws. We allow the States to create and make their own rules because the Feds aren't capable or willing to enforce the rules we have. You may not like what some of the these States are doing but at least they are trying to deal with a problem that's bleeding the social programs dry.

It's easy to post here and bytch about the problem. It's time to vote everyone out of office and start fresh. I reality, the problem can't be properly fixed now without offering amnesty to those already here.
rfenst Offline
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ZRX1200 wrote:
They have a right to refuse service no?


That is the central issue. I don't know the "legal" answer, but my personal, non-legal opinion in this matter is "no".

"Decatur Utilities is located in Decatur, Alabama and is a municipal utility owned by the City of Decatur. Decatur Utilities (DU) is the operating name of the Municipal Utilities Board of Decatur, Morgan County, Alabama. The Board was created by Local Act No. 89 of the Alabama Legislature in 1939."

Of interest, who here even bothered to got to their website or check out their online presence? Looks like they have job openings!!!

rfenst Offline
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chiefburg wrote:
I[n] (sic) reality, the problem can't be properly fixed now without offering amnesty to those already here.


+1
nickatnite Offline
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T Z wrote:
Its not murder. Its exterminating vermin.



WOW...just WOW.....lost for words.
I'm all for whatever it takes to fortify our borders and get rid of ALL illegal immigrants and everything, EXCEPT KILLING. Too much for me, Joking or not.
nickatnite Offline
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T Z wrote:
But i was serious about making them clean up the desert.



That would be a good thing.
T Z Offline
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OK Im going to go find another thread to mess up.
nickatnite Offline
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What some people then to forget is...there's a difference between your "basic human rights", and the rights afforded to you as an American CITIZEN under the US Constitution/Bill of rights.


Granting Amnesty would not help the situation at all.
Look at it this way..........

I make no as claim to knowing exactly how many Illegals are here in the US, much less California.
In a report published February 1, 2011, the PHC estimated that there were about 11.2 million undocumented immigrants living in the U.S. in March 2010.

So for the sake of this discussion/example, let's just say that those 11.2 are working illegally, shall we?

If you gave amnesty to 11.2 million illegals, they automatically become legal/naturalized citizens with the right to LEGALLY work here. You just added 11.2 million people to the workforce, looking for jobs/competing for jobs etc. Jobs that are already scarce. They are not going to work for the wages/benefits/compensation that they took when they were illlegal, They're LEGAL now, they don't have to. they don't have to work for for less that a legal citizen does. So what happens now is you have all those jobs that the formerly illegal 11.2 mil. that are now unfilled. Some jobs that Americans won't do(yes, it's common knowledge that illegals work jobs that Americans won't do. But that's mainly because illlegals drive down wages by working any job for less. Nevertheless it still doesn't give them right to be here.) Who's going to work those jobs held previously by those 11.2 mil. illegals who are now legal??????

The next wave of illegals,that's who. The next 11.2 mil people arriving here just like the ones before.
When will it end? When will it stop, this repeated cycle that some people thinks is the solution?

Now , again this is just an vague example. Just trying to shed some light to the point I'm getting at..........which is Amnesty DOESN"T WORK. The U.S. has given out amnesty before, a few time in different forms/shapes/fashion etc,.
It's a big part of the reason why the illegal immigrant problem is the way it is today. When you give it out, it just creates another wave of illegals to arrive here. And as long as continues, wave after wave will continue to arrive with no end in sight til something is really done about the issue. The U.S. has the most porous borders and relaxed immigration laws than any other country. This needs to stop. Fortify our borders. Enforce all laws, NOT just selective enforcement. And no amnesty, because then those additional new 11.2 million new people to the workforce would be willing to work 'for less' than those currently working their jobs, and then what?
FuzzNJ Offline
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Nothing 'works' in this situation. Only least of the evil choices.
ZRX1200 Offline
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Delete the payroll deduction for employers on employees who do not pass verify.

No work no problem.

Then do something about their abuse of our services.

No wall. That can keep you in just as easy, and FEMA already has camps available.
rfenst Offline
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nickatnite wrote:
What some people then to forget is...there's a difference between your "basic human rights", and the rights afforded to you as an American CITIZEN under the US Constitution/Bill of rights.





Whoa!!!
Who said anything about giving them citizenship or the constitutional rights thereof?
HockeyDad Offline
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rfenst wrote:

Whoa!!! Who said anything about citizenship?



They need that so they can register as Democrats!
frankj1 Offline
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utilities? really?

get real.
frankj1 Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
They need that so they can register as Democrats!

Dems??? You mean Republicans. Once they make money and pay no taxes, why would they ever register and vote Dem?
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