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Lagers or Ales?
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8trackdisco Offline
#1 Posted: Sun, Nov 20 2011, 7:01 PM EST
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Which do you prefer?
grmcooper Offline
#2 Posted: Sun, Nov 20 2011, 7:01 PM EST
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Malt.
wheelrite Offline
#3 Posted: Sun, Nov 20 2011, 7:32 PM EST
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Ales...

More body and higher alcohol content,,
MACS Offline
#4 Posted: Sun, Nov 20 2011, 7:36 PM EST
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For me it depends, really. I love me a light lager in the summer. Not light as in calorie content, but light as in not heavy on the gut.

I love ales when the weather is cooler, but can drink them whenever.
Whistlebritches Offline
#5 Posted: Sun, Nov 20 2011, 7:40 PM EST
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Most definately ales Junior...............................are you even old enough to drink???


Ron
gmdrews Offline
#6 Posted: Sun, Nov 20 2011, 7:42 PM EST
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Keystone 16oz can is the way to go
cacman Offline
#7 Posted: Sun, Nov 20 2011, 7:42 PM EST
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Depends on what I'm in the mood for, but I'll drink either. Throw in a Pilsner or Stout and I'm still happy. Can't do the Malts though.
HockeyDad Offline
#8 Posted: Sun, Nov 20 2011, 7:53 PM EST
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Stouts are ales. Pilsners are lagers.
Mathen Offline
#9 Posted: Sun, Nov 20 2011, 8:10 PM EST
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What is it being paired with?
Nicar Offline
#10 Posted: Sun, Nov 20 2011, 8:28 PM EST
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Ales....

Indian Pale Ale

English Bitter

Brown Ale

Red Ale

Winter Ale

Belgium Ale

mmmmmmmmm....... Beer Beer Beer Beer Beer Beer Beer
lou2row Offline
#11 Posted: Sun, Nov 20 2011, 8:45 PM EST
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Porters
Stouts
Brown ales


I like big malty taste.

I also like Belgians here lately. The only lagers I like anymore are doppelbocks.
duwan Offline
#12 Posted: Sun, Nov 20 2011, 10:26 PM EST
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porters and stouts
blackfoot11 Offline
#13 Posted: Sun, Nov 20 2011, 10:38 PM EST
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yessir i'll have 1 now........
f16devils Offline
#14 Posted: Sun, Nov 20 2011, 10:45 PM EST
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Been hittin te local ales lately. Enjoying them very much.
critter2 Offline
#15 Posted: Sun, Nov 20 2011, 10:46 PM EST
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bottled
cacman Offline
#16 Posted: Sun, Nov 20 2011, 10:48 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Stouts are ales. Pilsners are lagers.

Sorry. Guess some didn't get the joke.

Order another piece of fruit with your Corona or Blue Moon

Later Beer
wheelrite Offline
#17 Posted: Sun, Nov 20 2011, 10:54 PM EST
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cacman wrote:
Sorry. Guess some didn't get the joke.

Order another piece of fruit with your Corona or Blue Moon

Later Beer


HD took up homebrewing...

he's quasi beer snob now..
Whistlebritches Offline
#18 Posted: Sun, Nov 20 2011, 11:23 PM EST
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lou2row wrote:
Porters
Stouts
Brown ales


I like big malty taste.



Lou

If you like a big malty taste try some of the Scottish ales.....My favorite is Belhaven.Full malty/nutty flavor.............................Those of you that are into IPA's or a HOP head in general you will NOT like this.


Ron
DaQueenBeez Offline
#19 Posted: Mon, Nov 21 2011, 12:26 AM EST
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lou2row wrote:
Porters
Stouts
Brown ales


I like big malty taste.

I also like Belgians here lately. The only lagers I like anymore are doppelbocks.




+1... and in exactly that order! However, I have to say that the Sam Adams Black Lager is pretty darn decent, too.
lou2row Offline
#20 Posted: Mon, Nov 21 2011, 6:52 AM EST
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Whistlebritches wrote:
Lou

If you like a big malty taste try some of the Scottish ales.....My favorite is Belhaven.Full malty/nutty flavor.............................Those of you that are into IPA's or a HOP head in general you will NOT like this.


Ron


I'll look for that one Ron. I really like Dirty **** by Founders. It is a Scottish ale.

edit: bass turd
DrMaddVibe Offline
#21 Posted: Mon, Nov 21 2011, 8:11 AM EST
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DaQueenBeez wrote:
+1... and in exactly that order! However, I have to say that the Sam Adams Black Lager is pretty darn decent, too.



Beer


If they'd only bottle it in LARGER bottles!!!

Almost all of their 4 packs are stellar!
DrMaddVibe Offline
#22 Posted: Mon, Nov 21 2011, 8:13 AM EST
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One more vote for the ALES.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiXC9rofw2g


Although I won't pass on a lager. If they're both sitting side by side...I'm grabbing the ale first though!
JuyceMan Offline
#23 Posted: Mon, Nov 21 2011, 9:25 AM EST
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Stouts or Porters and a nice Maduro
Nicar Offline
#24 Posted: Mon, Nov 21 2011, 9:28 AM EST
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Whistlebritches wrote:
Lou

If you like a big malty taste try some of the Scottish ales.....My favorite is Belhaven.Full malty/nutty flavor.............................Those of you that are into IPA's or a HOP head in general you will NOT like this.


Ron



Liar!!

I like IPA and hoppy..... and I like Belhaven and Boddingtons!
Lancaster6802 Offline
#25 Posted: Mon, Nov 21 2011, 9:44 AM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
One more vote for the ALES.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiXC9rofw2g


Although I won't pass on a lager. If they're both sitting side by side...I'm grabbing the ale first though!


+1
lou2row Offline
#26 Posted: Mon, Nov 21 2011, 11:06 AM EST
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I tried an Anchor Steam a week ago, since I had read so much about it. Had several clone recipes and wanted to try it first.

I drank two sips, and handed it off to my wife. She said it was okay, so I asked if she wanted five gallons of it.

"No." she said, very quickly and decisively.
Whistlebritches Offline
#27 Posted: Mon, Nov 21 2011, 12:10 PM EST
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lou2row wrote:
I'll look for that one Ron. I really like Dirty **** by Founders. It is a Scottish ale.

edit: bass turd



Excuse me but are you saying you'd like to be Dirty Sanchez'd by a guy named Flounder?????I think Wheel has him on speed dial.


Ron
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#28 Posted: Mon, Nov 21 2011, 12:17 PM EST
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Nicar wrote:
Liar!!

I like IPA and hoppy..... and I like Belhaven and Boddingtons!



Ok my Brother here we go.You like IPA's......only cretins with the taste buds of a billy goat could possibly drink this horse urine.LOL

Belhaven=Scottish Ale....Love this stuff

Boddingtons=British pale golden ale.....brewed by Inbey UK Limited,Luton England.I have one occasionally but much better swill is to be had from this region of the world.


Ron
Nicar Offline
#29 Posted: Mon, Nov 21 2011, 1:19 PM EST
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Whistlebritches wrote:
Ok my Brother here we go.You like IPA's......only cretins with the taste buds of a billy goat could possibly drink this horse urine.LOL

Belhaven=Scottish Ale....Love this stuff

Boddingtons=British pale golden ale.....brewed by Inbey UK Limited,Luton England.I have one occasionally but much better swill is to be had from this region of the world.


Ron



Well, then was wrong on the Boddingtons, but I do like Belhaven still!!! I enjoy a wide variety of Ales... Belguim being favorite.... Duvel, Orval, Delerium.... Trois Pistoles...Ommengang Rare vois
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#30 Posted: Mon, Nov 21 2011, 1:22 PM EST
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Cold beer is what I like.
Whistlebritches Offline
#31 Posted: Mon, Nov 21 2011, 3:49 PM EST
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I was cleaning out my beer fridge for my wife to store some holiday crap........anyway I found one lone bottle of Shiner 101(last years limited release in a Czech Style Pilsner).I had to have it right then...........very good pilsner and those are far and few between IMHO.


Ron
MACS Offline
#32 Posted: Mon, Nov 21 2011, 3:55 PM EST
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Thank you, Lou. I think Anchor Steam sucks. Thought I might have been the only one. Blech.
8trackdisco Offline
#33 Posted: Mon, Nov 21 2011, 6:36 PM EST
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I've never found an ale I've liked.

Maybe I need the least hoppy ale there is, and give that a shot.
MACS Offline
#34 Posted: Mon, Nov 21 2011, 6:38 PM EST
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Have you tried Newcastle? What about the Oktoberfests from Paulaner or Spaten? Smithwick's Irish Ale?
8trackdisco Offline
#35 Posted: Mon, Nov 21 2011, 6:41 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
Have you tried Newcastle? What about the Oktoberfests from Paulaner or Spaten? Smithwick's Irish Ale?


Ah, I have had and liked the Smith'icks.
Thunder.Gerbil Offline
#36 Posted: Mon, Nov 21 2011, 10:24 PM EST
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Shawn,

Oktoberfest beers are Marzens which are lagers.



8,

No preference for one or the other for me. Just so long as it's a good beer. I have Sudwerk, Serra Nevada, Russian River, Lagunitas, Anderson Valley Brewing, just to name a few, all right in my backyard, although only Sudwerk specializes in lagers, the others produce primarily only ales. It's not hard to find great fresh beer here...
MACS Offline
#37 Posted: Mon, Nov 21 2011, 10:45 PM EST
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Thunder.Gerbil wrote:
Shawn,

Oktoberfest beers are Marzens which are lagers.


Huh. Thought their amber color may have put them in the ale category. Makes sense that I like them so much, though.
Beer
Thunder.Gerbil Offline
#38 Posted: Mon, Nov 21 2011, 11:19 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
Huh. Thought their amber color may have put them in the ale category. Makes sense that I like them so much, though.
Beer


Color is primarily dictated by the roast of the malt and has no influence on if the beer is an ale or a lager. Pilsners (Pilsner Urquell for example), Dopplebocks (Spaten Optimator)- both lagers, one's light as straw, the other black as night. Kolsches and stouts, both ales - same color differences.

Essentially, what determines if a beer is an ale or a lager is the yeast. Ales use top fermenting yeasts, meaning, they float. Lagers use bottom fermenting yeasts.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#39 Posted: Tue, Nov 22 2011, 6:50 AM EST
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8trackdisco wrote:
I've never found an ale I've liked.

Maybe I need the least hoppy ale there is, and give that a shot.



Confused Confused


Unibroue has some wonderful ales you might want to try before giving up on Ales totally.

Tres Pistoles, La Fin Du Monde, Ephemere, Terrible, and Blonde de Chambly are all magnificent ales that go down real easy.
Thunder.Gerbil Offline
#40 Posted: Tue, Nov 22 2011, 10:26 AM EST
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8trackdisco wrote:
I've never found an ale I've liked.

Maybe I need the least hoppy ale there is, and give that a shot.


Ok. Go buy a bottle of stout. Hoppy problem solved.
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#41 Posted: Tue, Nov 22 2011, 10:38 AM EST
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8trackdisco wrote:
I've never found an ale I've liked.



In that case, stick to soda or Budweiser.

Bud and Bud Light are the #1 and #2 beers in the USA.
lou2row Offline
#42 Posted: Tue, Nov 22 2011, 12:23 PM EST
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Thunder.Gerbil wrote:
Shawn,

Oktoberfest beers are Marzens which are lagers.

.


Good point, I forgot that as well. These are a flavorful lager alternative.
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#43 Posted: Tue, Nov 22 2011, 11:08 PM EST
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Thunder.Gerbil wrote:
Color is primarily dictated by the roast of the malt and has no influence on if the beer is an ale or a lager. Pilsners (Pilsner Urquell for example), Dopplebocks (Spaten Optimator)- both lagers, one's light as straw, the other black as night. Kolsches and stouts, both ales - same color differences.

Essentially, what determines if a beer is an ale or a lager is the yeast. Ales use top fermenting yeasts, meaning, they float. Lagers use bottom fermenting yeasts.



yes, although the yeast IS present throughout the entire wort during fermentation. actually, it's a floccuation thing....(as he scratches his head wondering if he actually spelled that right)...................
Thunder.Gerbil Offline
#44 Posted: Wed, Nov 23 2011, 12:05 AM EST
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Absolutely, I was just trying to keep the explanation simple.

After all, this is Shawn we're talking to here.
MACS Offline
#45 Posted: Wed, Nov 23 2011, 1:31 AM EST
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Thunder.Gerbil wrote:
Absolutely, I was just trying to keep the explanation simple.

After all, this is Shawn we're talking to here.


K.I.S.S. = keep it simple, stupid!

Drool
blackfoot11 Offline
#46 Posted: Wed, Nov 23 2011, 1:55 PM EST
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Thunder.Gerbil wrote:
Absolutely, I was just trying to keep the explanation simple.

After all, this is Shawn we're talking to here.



LMAO!

good point..........
andytv Offline
#47 Posted: Thu, Nov 24 2011, 8:30 AM EST
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Ales are a little less complex; generally you can taste the ingredients discretely. They are manufactured quickly with less aging.

Lagers are more balanced, with the ingredients interacting with some subtlety.

When I want to be impressed by a beer, I grab a Munich Helles (lager) that has been brewed for centuries.
wheelrite Offline
#48 Posted: Thu, Nov 24 2011, 8:31 AM EST
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andytv wrote:
Ales are a little less complex; generally you can taste the ingredients discretely. They are manufactured quickly with less aging.

Lagers are more balanced, with the ingredients interacting with some subtlety.

When I want to be impressed by a beer, I grab a Munich Helles (lager) that has been brewed for centuries.




ANDY !!!

Happy T-giving to you and the family !


wheel,
Whistlebritches Offline
#49 Posted: Thu, Nov 24 2011, 4:42 PM EST
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andytv wrote:
Ales are a little less complex; generally you can taste the ingredients discretely. They are manufactured quickly with less aging.

Lagers are more balanced, with the ingredients interacting with some subtlety.

When I want to be impressed by a beer, I grab a Munich Helles (lager) that has been brewed for centuries.




Munich Helles ehhhh.........Never tried it.Let the search begin.

BTW Andy,hope you and yours' are having a wonderful Turkey Day.


Ron
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#50 Posted: Sun, Dec 4 2011, 9:45 AM EST
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^thanks for the wishes fellas.


Re: Munich Helles

My favorite is Spaten, but HofBrau and Lowenbrau are pretty decent. If you can find Augistiner, it's about the best (but hard to come by).

Look for a somewhat sweet malty beer with a nice hops balance. Helles is all about subtlety.
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