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Every working person here will have higher taxes next month
FuzzNJ Offline
#51 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
Like I said, you need to re-read what I said.


i read it and understood it completely. Sure you didn't say that the rich benefited less, but the way it was written was meant to convey that idea. It's very impressive and something politicians do frequently. Good job.
FuzzNJ Offline
#52 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
No what's pointless is borrowing money when spending isn't addresses.

You can't wave your outrage at redistribution of wealth till the cows come home to occupy the couch.

Your problem is people here never agree with the majority of your premises. And you're to partisanly deaf to have a conversation.


Wow, 2 talking points and an insult. Still haven't addressed the issue though. You are for higher taxes too I guess or wish tax cuts should be paid for. Good to know.
FuzzNJ Offline
#53 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
You spit out a talking point looking for an argument. Now you're outraged because you got an argument? ...and now something is "pathetic"? Really, "pathetic? Are you sure you aren't being just a little bit dramatic?


lol.

No, I'm pointing out I'm being argued with by people who have no idea of what is going on, just arguing for arguing sake. You know, like arguing for tax cuts with me when I am arguing for tax cuts. You know, 'outrageous' stuff.
HockeyDad Offline
#54 Posted:
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FuzzNJ wrote:
i read it and understood it completely. Sure you didn't say that the rich benefited less, but the way it was written was meant to convey that idea. It's very impressive and something politicians do frequently. Good job.




463 to 81. You already agree to the numbers now let it expire. Who gets hurt more?

HockeyDad Offline
#55 Posted:
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FuzzNJ wrote:
lol.

No, I'm pointing out I'm being argued with by people who have no idea of what is going on, just arguing for arguing sake. You know, like arguing for tax cuts with me when I am arguing for tax cuts. You know, 'outrageous' stuff.



But that is what you wanted...an argument! You should be happy.

What you haven't gotten into is why they are against it. Are they just against it because it was part of Obama's stimulus package and therefore must be bad or are they against it because of runaway spending and how it will be paid for. If you really cared to discuss it you would steer the conversation in that direction.

The Republican new-found love for fiscal responsibility is a wonderful thing. I bet I could still convince them that I needed another 200 billion USD for aircraft carriers and B-2s to prepare for potential war in asia and that I would fund it through issuance of treasuries that would be most likely bought by China. I would have them eating out of my hands!
HockeyDad Offline
#56 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:

You can't wave your outrage at redistribution of wealth till the cows come home to occupy the couch.



You owe me two different copyright fees for that!
ZRX1200 Offline
#57 Posted:
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™ outrage!

I thought you'd appreciate it.
wheelrite Offline
#58 Posted:
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Fuzz is a moron for posting this.

Even he knows Obummer only wants a 2 month extension so they can use the issue in the election,,
FuzzNJ Offline
#59 Posted:
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wheelrite wrote:
Fuzz is a moron for posting this.

Even he knows Obummer only wants a 2 month extension so they can use the issue in the election,,



Democrats wanted the lower payroll tax rate and other provisions extended through 2012, but were weighing the idea of a fallback two-month extension to ensure that there will be no negative impact on Americans if Congress fails to reach a broader deal this week.

A Senate Democratic leadership aide said the two-month extension would set up further negotiations on a larger deal.

However, House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, said Friday that any attempt for a short-term extension of the payroll tax cut and unemployment benefits would be altered in the House.

http://articles.cnn.com/2011-12-16/politics/politics_congress-payroll-tax-cut_1_pipeline-provision-conservative-house-republicans-tax?_s=PM:POLITICS
ZRX1200 Offline
#60 Posted:
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So the Ds are throwing a tissie fit cuz they want a two month deal so that they can name call again at a later date instead of compromising now with a deal both sides can agree on.....shame on them.


Why so they hate the middle class?

Thanks.

FuzzNJ Offline
#61 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
So the Ds are throwing a tissie fit cuz they want a two month deal so that they can name call again at a later date instead of compromising now with a deal both sides can agree on.....shame on them.


Why so they hate the middle class?

Thanks.



"Democrats wanted the lower payroll tax rate and other provisions extended through 2012"
engletl Offline
#62 Posted:
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I say it is time for all working folk to pay their fair share...

And for all those that live on the government teat to stop suckling...permanently
yardobeef Offline
#63 Posted:
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I have to admit, I am at a loss as to what the republicans gain by doing this.
dubleuhb Offline
#64 Posted:
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Maybe they don't want to deal with it again in 60 days. It all makes for great soundbites for the left, ya know with it about to be an election year.
yardobeef Offline
#65 Posted:
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But that's just it. The dems wanted to pass this through next year, then they compromised with the pubs (in the senate) and agreed to pass this for the next 2 months. Is there no unifying strategy on the part of the pubs between the 2 houses?
ZRX1200 Offline
#66 Posted:
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Yes there is.


Piss off Fuzzy.
yardobeef Offline
#67 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Yes there is.


Piss off Fuzzy.



Unsure I've got start attending meetings.
Humastronaut Offline
#68 Posted:
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A 2 month extension is laughable at best. How long are we going to let both the Dtards and the Rtards continue to kick the can down the road? If I have to hear about 1 more "looming govt shutdown" I'm just going to snap.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#69 Posted:
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FuzzNJ wrote:
So you are taking the pro-tax position now? I'm taking the position that tax cuts should be cut for the middle class and raised on the wealthy, as a simple proposition. In reality the position is much more complicated as is the tax code itself and not worthy of discussion here.



No, you took the alphabet soup way that you ALWAYS do! The D's aren't going to give you what you want. The R's are holding the line because they're tired of doing this dance every 2-4 months.

Why can't they come up with a budget?

Why haven't they since Obama took office?

Why are you crying about taxes when you do NOTHING but bake cookies and dust?
Stinkdyr Offline
#70 Posted:
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INCUMBENTS ARE THE CANCER...........TERM LIMITS ARE THE ANSWER!



Herfing


rfenst Offline
#71 Posted:
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yardobeef wrote:
He baits you, you in turn bait him. Two fellas sitting around baiting each other. This can't be healthy.


Yeah, but they are trying to master it together!
FuzzNJ Offline
#72 Posted:
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yardobeef wrote:
But that's just it. The dems wanted to pass this through next year, then they compromised with the pubs (in the senate) and agreed to pass this for the next 2 months. Is there no unifying strategy on the part of the pubs between the 2 houses?


Nice to see someone actually who sees things like they actually are.
HockeyDad Offline
#73 Posted:
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Maybe you should have made that point back in the original post. I don't think it is any big revelation that the Republicans in the US House are not lockstep on the same page with the Republicans in the US Senate.

I'm not sure they're supposed to be or have to be.
FuzzNJ Offline
#74 Posted:
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When the WSJ opinion page says Republicans blew it, you got a major problem.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204791104577110573867064702.html?mod=WSJ_hp_mostpop_read
ZRX1200 Offline
#75 Posted:
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WSJ is a liberal rag.
tailgater Offline
#76 Posted:
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rfenst wrote:
Yeah, but they are trying to master it together!


Bravo!
HockeyDad Offline
#77 Posted:
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FuzzNJ wrote:
When the WSJ opinion page says Republicans blew it, you got a major problem.



I don't.
FuzzNJ Offline
#78 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
I don't.


I doubt that.
HockeyDad Offline
#79 Posted:
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FuzzNJ wrote:
I doubt that.




You doubt a lot of things. Sucks for you.
bloody spaniard Offline
#80 Posted:
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Some thin- skinned neurotic once said, the unexamined life is not worth living.
What that has to do with anything, I don't know.

...but I'm all for higher taxes (especially of the cheap botl) so that we can all share in the booty.
Piece on earth and Goodwill for all.Gonz
HockeyDad Offline
#81 Posted:
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bloody spaniard wrote:
...but I'm all for higher taxes (especially of the cheap botl) so that we can all share in the booty.



I'm just for raising FuzzNJ's taxes and cutting his benefits. I like watching him scream as we put the screws to him repeatedly!
FuzzNJ Offline
#82 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
You doubt a lot of things. Sucks for you.


Grats! A problem free life must be awesome.
FuzzNJ Offline
#83 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
I'm just for raising FuzzNJ's taxes and cutting his benefits. I like watching him scream as we put the screws to him repeatedly!


What’s that? Benefits? Don't talk about - Benefits?! You kidding me? Playoffs? er, I mean Benefits!
HockeyDad Offline
#84 Posted:
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Grats! A problem free life must be awesome.



You should get under the Obama Cone of Protection! It is awesome.
snowwolf777 Offline
#85 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
You should get under the Obama Cone of Protection! It is awesome.



Anything like the Waffle Cone of Deliciousness? Eh?
dpnewell Offline
#86 Posted:
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I love how the news outlets are repeating over and over how this 2% tax increase is going to cost the average American $40 per week. The average American makes $104k per year? When did this happen?
FuzzNJ Offline
#87 Posted:
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dpnewell wrote:
I love how the news outlets are repeating over and over how this 2% tax increase is going to cost the average American $40 per week. The average American makes $104k per year? When did this happen?


That's low isn't it? You are still poor at 250k, at least according to Republicans.
FuzzNJ Offline
#88 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
What's the count up to?


960 something days without a budget?

2 years with complete control and no D action?



DrMaddVibe wrote:
Why can't they come up with a budget?

Why haven't they since Obama took office?



Well, a couple people are drinking republican Kool-aid.

The last budget was for fiscal year 2010, put forth the year before by a Democratic controlled Congress.

The next budget that was supposed to have been finished was for fiscal year 2011, the House is controlled by Republicans with a huge tea party contingent. These are the same people holding up this payroll tax thing, the thing we're talking about here.

So both of you are incorrect, and badly so.

http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2011/may/24/george-lemieux/george-lemieux-rips-sen-bill-nelson-senates-budget/

For background on what "passing a budget" means, we turned to explanations offered previously by our PolitiFact National colleagues. Congress today follows a budget process based on the 1974 Congressional Budget Act.

That process calls for a budget resolution, passed first by the Senate Budget Committee, then by the full Senate. The resolution, says Jason Peuquet, staff analyst at the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget, a bipartisan public policy think tank, is "an internally binding document that defines for a period of at least five fiscal years totals of appropriation levels and outlays, federal revenues, and the resulting surplus or deficit in the budget."

The House and Senate usually approve budget resolutions in the spring. If the chambers disagree, they work out a compromise. It's not a show-stopper if they don't approve a budget resolution, because the actual appropriation of money to all the departments and agencies in the government is a separate process.

If no resolution is approved, it becomes a talking point for the minority party -- in this case, for the Republicans. (In fact, Florida Senate President Mike Haridopolos, also a Senate candidate in 2012, also tweeted May 19 about the 750 days.) The inability to pass the resolution illustrates the discord in Congress and reflects poorly on the majority party.


We should add two points. First, the budget resolution is not a bill. It outlines Congress' intent, but it doesn't go to the president or require his signature. Second, the past two years are not the first time we’ve had trouble getting a budget approved.

Since 1983, the two chambers have failed to pass a joint budget bill on four occasions. For fiscal year 2003, the Senate, under Democratic control in 2002, failed to pass a budget resolution of any kind. On three other occasions (fiscal years 1999, 2005 and 2007), the House and Senate failed to reconcile their different bills and pass a compromise measure. In these latter three cases, the Republicans were in the majority in both chambers of Congress.

Budgets for 2010 and 2011

We turn next to what has happened in the past two years. The Senate passed a budget resolution in 2009 for the 2010 fiscal year. The final action was April 29, 2009, according to a report on the budget process by the Congressional Research Service. That vote was 53-43, with all the Republicans and three Democrats voting against it.

That was the last budget resolution the Senate approved. Fast-forward to May 19, 2011, and that's exactly 750 days later. That’s the time-frame LeMieux is referencing.

From the Democrats’ viewpoint, the 2009 resolution covered the budget for the year ending Sept. 30, 2010. So Adam Jentleson, deputy communications director for Majority Leader Harry Reid, R-Nev., calls the 750-days figure "tremendously misleading" because it’s been only 231 days from the start of the fiscal year to LeMieux’s tweet. Remember, though, what LeMieux said was 750 days since the Senate "passed a budget," not "since we had a budget."


You're welcome.
dpnewell Offline
#89 Posted:
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Deal done. House Repulicans cave for a promise by the Dems to extend the cut for a year sometime after the first of the year.

Entire thread is now mute.
FuzzNJ Offline
#90 Posted:
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dpnewell wrote:
Deal done. House Repulicans cave for a promise by the Dems to extend the cut for a year sometime after the first of the year.

Entire thread is now mute.


Ha! For a promise by the Dems to extend it. lmao That was a hard fought battle. WTG Boehner. You got them to promise to do what they wanted to do in the first damn place.

and it's not 'mute', unless you were referring to the fact that we read and write on the thread and the only noise is keystrokes and a few of you reading out loud so you can understand more better, n stuff. ;)
yardobeef Offline
#91 Posted:
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My guess is that the devil's in the details. This is not as cut and dry as it appears on the surface. Boehner didn't just grow a heart and feel bad about pizza night.
itsawaldo Offline
#92 Posted:
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OP implies he's talking about Bush tax cuts then a few lines down he cites an extension of the payroll tax reduction which is not a tax but funds Social Security.
Do i really notice the $40, no happily I do not but I am sure many do. I want and will need SS so this way of de-funding it does not sit well with me.
How can I be paying more back into SS benefits fund be a tax?
Anyway it a mute point since the House gave into a two month political extension so we can fight about it again next year and make it an election issue.
ZRX1200 Offline
#93 Posted:
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Well we can destroy the pyramid scheme sooner I guess.....


Tax cut woo hoo! Oh what? We got a mortgage tax/fee added? Permanently? Oh.
FuzzNJ Offline
#94 Posted:
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Ate too much, but I'm back. Daughter and I went out, had the porterhouse medium rare with mashed potatoes.

yardobeef wrote:
My guess is that the devil's in the details. This is not as cut and dry as it appears on the surface. Boehner didn't just grow a heart and feel bad about pizza night.


The details are that the Republican house tried a political move and it backfired. They wanted to have this open when Obama went to Hawaii so they could say, 'look at us. we're here working but the president is on vacation'. Instead they look like what they are, a party that doesn't want tax cuts for working people but will fight to political death for tax cuts for the 'job creators'.

FuzzNJ Offline
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itsawaldo wrote:
OP implies he's talking about Bush tax cuts


lmao, I did? Listen, I can't control what you think when you read something, but I implied no such thing in any way.


"then a few lines down he cites an extension of the payroll tax reduction which is not a tax but funds Social Security. [/quote]

Not a tax? Money taken from paychecks, sent to the government without a choice, yeah, not taxes. There is no such thing as a SS 'lock box'. It all goes into federal funds and spent. To see conservatives argue this point after all their 'taxes are too high' and 'starve the government' bullsh*t is bizzare to say the least.

This tax is what every working person pays, even if they don't make enough to pay income taxes.

ZRX1200 Offline
#96 Posted:
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Right but ss tax is in theory something that is in turn coming back to the taxpayer no?
FuzzNJ Offline
#97 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Right but ss tax is in theory something that is in turn coming back to the taxpayer no?


Sure. All of our tax dollars should in some way or another.
FuzzNJ Offline
#98 Posted:
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Watching Boehner's press conference now, (tivo'd it). He looked like he was ready to cry, again.
HockeyDad Offline
#99 Posted:
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Passing this will keep 1.8 million people unemployed. Oh well.
itsawaldo Offline
#100 Posted:
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I stand by my post, SS contributions which come back to me is not a tax.
It really sounds like you need to get out of NJ, in fact this country and search for a taxless and contributionless society that supports everyone equally. Think Harrison Bergeron and a world of the future where we are all equal in everyway.
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