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Ron Paul 1993 appeal letter warns of ‘race war,’ assails ‘Israeli lobby’
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Ron Paul 1993 appeal letter warns of ‘race war,’ assails ‘Israeli lobby’
December 23, 2011
WASHINGTON (JTA) -- A 1993 subscription letter appearing above Ron Paul's signature said the "Israeli lobby plays Congress like a cheap harmonica," warned of a "race war" and said there was a gay-led cover up of AIDS.

The letter appealed for subscriptions to Paul's newsletter at the time, which included similar incendiary language.

Paul (R-Texas), a member of the U.S. House of Representatives now leading in some polls of likely Iowa caucus-goers, has repeatedly disavowed the language in his old newsletters, which took aim at blacks, gays and Israel. He has said that he not write his newsletters and that he did not always read them.

The subscriptions solicitation letter, obtained by Reuters on Thursday from Jamie Kirchick, an investigative journalist who in 2008 reported on the newsletters' inflammatory content, ties the provocative language more closely to Paul than did the newsletter.

It is written in the first person, it appears above his signature, and in making some of the accusations, the appeal references what it purports to be Paul's personal experiences.

The letter suggests, for instance, that new $100 bills distributed by the Treasury and ostensibly aimed at tracking drug money were instead aimed at keeping track of all citizens.

"I held the ugly new bills in my hands," the letter says. "I can tell you -- they made my skin crawl!"

The letter also says that "my training as a physician" -- Paul is an obstetrician -- "helps me see through" what he calls the "federal-homosexual cover-up on AIDS."

The letter warns of a "coming race war in our big cities" and says Paul "laid bare" what it calls "the Israeli lobby, which plays Congress like a cheap harmonica."

A spokesman for Paul told Talking Points Memo that the candidate disavows the letter and did not write it.

Paul served in Congress from 1975 until 1988, when he ran for president on the Libertarian ticket.

He returned to his practice in 1989, but made money off the "Ron Paul Investment Letter," which offered financial advice as well as political analysis; the 1993 letter pitches a subscription at what it says is the discounted rate of $99 a year.

Paul returned to Congress in 1997 as a Republican and previously ran for the party's presidential nomination in 2008.
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The big government republican establishment are doing everything they can to discredit Paul and it's funny to watch. Can't drop the social conservative issues, gotta have that. Telling people how to live their personal lives is crucial and fun for them. ;)
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^ god help me.....Fuzzy is right.


Merry Christmas Fuzzy, hope the family is well and ya get a nice smoke in.
bloody spaniard Offline
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The Balkanization of America is inevitable & coming along nicely. You give the electorate what they wants.
Beer
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Paul (R-Texas), a member of the U.S. House of Representatives now leading in some polls of likely Iowa caucus-goers, has repeatedly disavowed the language in his old newsletters, which took aim at blacks, gays and Israel. He has said that he not write his newsletters and that he did not always read them.


I hate when that happens. Ya get all busy, have someone else write your newsletters, you forget to read the newsletters and BAM! This stuff shows up.

d'oh!
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^ That's understandable. Droopy Dog was busy uncovering the Twin Towers' "inside job" conspiracy.
Though... you never know fer sure...Think
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Funny the best the establishment ball washers can come up with on Dr. Paul is this and he didn't write it.

Pathetic.

Guess the fear is a good sign.
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Funny the best the establishment ball washers can come up with on Dr. Paul is this and he didn't write it.
Pathetic.
Guess the fear is a good sign.



You gonna write in Paul's name if he's not nominated?
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Funny the best the establishment ball washers can come up with on Dr. Paul is this and he didn't write it.

Pathetic.

Guess the fear is a good sign.



He says he didn't write them. Big difference. Back in 96 he was talking about the articles and admitted to writing them and defended the statements.

http://www.criticalreactor.com/ronpaul/newsletters/1996_Dallas_Morning_News.html
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Bloody I see very little difference between many of the candidates and Ohbummer other than a few issues. Yes I will write him in.
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I goof on him, Jaime, but I may do the same as you IF I vote.

Btw, there are more voter security measures in middle eastern shiiteholes than there are here in Maryland where the don't even check your driver's license. My wife could have also voted for her sister who's been away in Europe for over a decade but is still on the rolls.
Brick wall
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In the interview, he did not deny he made the statement about the swiftness of black men.

He also didn't confirm that he wrote it. He later said that his campaign advisors told him NOT to deny writing the stuff because it would "cause confusion" or something like that. A couple of people have come forward and stated that it was actually Lew Rockwell who wrote the stuff. And that makes sense if you look up the connection between Rockwell, Murray Rothbard, and the "Paleo-Libertarian" movement.

So...who knows for sure? I give him the benefit of the doubt, because if he really was a racist, you'd be able to find him saying dumb s#it on video. And you can't. The problem with racists who deny they are racists is that they have a big problem keeping their mouths shut and tend to stick their foot in their mouth.

So, I look at a few things written in a newsletter 20+ years ago (with several people admitting that Lew Rockwell wrote them) and leverage that against the fact that you can't find RP saying any racist s#it on video, and I gotta continue my support of my man Ron Paul.


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BD1 he's obviously a racist. He did alot of free medical care for poor blacks and SPLC has defended him as a nonracist.
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ZRX1200 wrote:
BD1 he's obviously a racist. He did alot of free medical care for poor blacks and SPLC has defended him as a nonracist.



Yeah, and he makes the outrageous claim that real racism is the fact that minorities are disproportionately imprisoned in the war on drugs and executed under capital punishment. What a nazi!
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The funny thing about these strange times is that as a white man you cannot even point out any differences (good or bad) between races without being labeled racist.

It was commonplace a generation ago to read articles in Sports Illustrated (among other mainstream periodicals) discussing differences in musculature, body shapes, etc. between races.

The fact that we are willing to tear down a candidate over something like this speaks droves about our fake society and partly explains our downward spiral.
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ZRX1200 wrote:
BD1 he's obviously a racist. He did alot of free medical care for poor blacks and SPLC has defended him as a nonracist.


That's not even the entire issue now. He said "I didn't write them. I didn't read them at the time, and I disavow them.", to CNN.

But he is on the record talking about those very same newsletters and their racist content. He was the one selling the newsletter for 99 bucks a year to several thousand subscribers and it had his name on it. He had to know what was in them or he is a very very stupid man because he was a politician at the time as well having already been in the House.

So he's lying about this or he is senile and can't remember. Either way it doesn't look good for him at all, especially considering the racist sentiments in the newsletter.
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^ exactly dad.


Too much sand in the vajayjay syndrome.
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borndead1 wrote:
Yeah, and he makes the outrageous claim that real racism is the fact that minorities are disproportionately imprisoned in the war on drugs and executed under capital punishment. What a nazi!


Well, he's right about that issue, but it doesn't prove he isn't a racist because of it or because he provided medical care to 'them'. I'm not saying he is at this point, he could have changed his mind in the meantime and did a mea culpa, but he hasn't done that publicly at all, just denials now.
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Lissen kid, er, I mean ZRX, the problem I have with Droopy, er Paul, is that aside from the Twin Towers theory which he shared with the Sheens of the world, his diplomatic similarity to Neville Chamberlain doesn't escape me. Despite that, I may still write his name in. I find the Mitt- Newt blends hard to digest.
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bloody spaniard wrote:
The funny thing about these strange times is that as a white man you cannot even point out any differences (good or bad) between races without being labeled racist.

It was commonplace a generation ago to read articles in Sports Illustrated (among other mainstream periodicals) discussing differences in musculature, body shapes, etc. between races.

The fact that we are willing to tear down a candidate over something like this speaks droves about our fake society and partly explains our downward spiral.


The first sentence is completely not true. If what you are saying sounds racist when you discuss the issues, then there is pushback, but if discussing the issues in an intellectual way, with no hyperbole, there is not a problem.

Whether you like it or not, this IS an issue and it happens to candidates. They have to deal with it in a way the public finds sufficient or they are screwed and Paul isn't helping himself with these contradictory statements.
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Oh I don't claim he's perfect. But his track record is long and consistent, and he's certainly closer to what I want in a candidate than anyone I've ever voted for before.

Freedom is scary
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Hey you guys...FuzzNJ is try to talk to you.
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Who?
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borndead1 wrote:
In the interview, he did not deny he made the statement about the swiftness of black men.

He also didn't confirm that he wrote it. He later said that his campaign advisors told him NOT to deny writing the stuff because it would "cause confusion" or something like that. A couple of people have come forward and stated that it was actually Lew Rockwell who wrote the stuff. And that makes sense if you look up the connection between Rockwell, Murray Rothbard, and the "Paleo-Libertarian" movement.

So...who knows for sure? I give him the benefit of the doubt, because if he really was a racist, you'd be able to find him saying dumb s#it on video. And you can't. The problem with racists who deny they are racists is that they have a big problem keeping their mouths shut and tend to stick their foot in their mouth.

So, I look at a few things written in a newsletter 20+ years ago (with several people admitting that Lew Rockwell wrote them) and leverage that against the fact that you can't find RP saying any racist s#it on video, and I gotta continue my support of my man Ron Paul.





I am not saying those are/were his opinions and I am not saying they are not. I want to look into the matter further. However, you have made the following points that in and of themselves seem incriminating- if true:

1. He did not deny, he did not confirm it- What? Why not simply and vehimently deny it if it isn't true? Just because your advisors told you not to? Lame excuse after 20 years.
2. If he really was a racist, he'd be caught on video- Huh? Suddenly video is the Golden Standard?
3. Lew Rockwell wrote it- Has Rockwell admitted this or taken ownership? Have you ever even looked at it?
4. He didn't read everything- Some would think that a lame excuse for shirking one's responsibility. Was there any retraction- after all it was hils newslettser. I have seen some real grave mistakes in publications, but they are almost alwats followed up with a retracrtion.
5. It was in a newsletter 20+ years ago- Even if he did write it or know about it, why does the passage of time nullify the comments?

Not taking sides, just trying to have a discussion as i look into the man more and more...
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WOW What hypocrisy. No wonder we get the dregs we deserve.

All this hubbub over a 20 year old statement on a Paul newsletter about the swiftness of black men????

Personally, after living under a ineffectual President who attended a racist, white- hating church for decades, I will gladly vote for a capable (and plainspoken) one who sported matching lawn black jockeys or even had a token negro massage his toes and carry him on his shoulders to the neighborhood Piggly Wiggly.Drool
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If someone calls me a Racist i damn well ain't gonna keep my mouth shut about it ! I'm gonna kick their ASS!
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jackconrad wrote:
If someone calls me a Racist i damn well ain't gonna keep my mouth shut about it ! I'm gonna kick their ASS!



Why bother? It's lost its meaning. Besides, it's more of a reflection of their limited intellect anyway, Jack.
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Oh, and Fuzz, I do agree with you in that candidates get into worse trouble trying to backtrack & explain their comments.
I say, if you feel it in your heart and have the psychological need (and inability to restrain the tongue) to blurt it out, so be it. But don't come back later with the ole I wuz misunderstood or I now see the light & discovered religion argument just because it suits your political aims. People can usually see through that.

I gotta go, he kid beckons...d'oh! Brick wall
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bloody spaniard wrote:
WOW What hypocrisy. No wonder we get the dregs we deserve.

All this hubbub over a 20 year old statement on a Paul newsletter about the swiftness of black men????

Personally, after living under a ineffectual President who attended a racist, white- hating church for decades, I will gladly vote for a capable (and plainspoken) one who sported matching lawn black jockeys or even had a token negro massage his toes and carry him on his shoulders to the neighborhood Piggly Wiggly.Drool


It's not just one comment.

1. “Order was only restored in LA when it came time for the blacks to collect their welfare checks. The ‘poor’ lined up at the Post Office to get their handouts (since there were no deliveries) — and then complained about slow service.” -Report on LA riots, June 1992

2. “I’ve been told not to talk, but these stooges don’t scare me. Threats or no threats, I’ve laid bare the coming race war in our big cities. The federal-homosexual cover-up on AIDS (my training as a physician helps me see through this one.)” -Direct mail ad promoting Paul’s newsletters, written from Paul’s perspective, 1993

3. “It is human nature that like attracts likes. But whites are not allowed to express this same human impulse. Except in a de facto sense, there can be no white schools, white clubs, or white neighborhoods. The political system demands white integration, while allowing black segregation.” -‘The Disappearing White Majority,’ January 1993

4. “I miss the closet. Homosexuals, not to speak of the rest of society, were far better off when social pressure forced them to hide their activities. They could also not be as promiscuous. Is it any wonder the AIDS epidemic started after they ‘came out of the closet,’ and started hyper-promiscuous sodomy?” -June 1990

5. “Whether [the 1993 World Trade Center bombing] was a setup by the Israeli Mossad, as a Jewish friend of mine suspects, or was truly a retaliation by the Islamic fundamentalists, matters little.” -‘The New York Bombing,’ April 1993

6. “An ex-cop I know advises that if you have to use a gun on a youth, you should leave the scene immediately, disposing of the wiped off gun as soon as possible. Such a gun cannot, of course, be registered to you, but one bought privately (through the classifieds, for example).” ‘Blast ‘Em’, October 1992

7. “The opposition will do its best to provoke some precipitous action on on our part to discredit us and our cause. Follow the orders of Captain Parker at Lexington: Stand your ground. Don’t fire unless fired upon, but if they mean to have a war, let it begin here.” -Militia’s 10-point advice to other militias, January 1995.

8. “When the New Money is imposed, every American family must have a Survival Kit of highly liquid, small-denomination silver and gold coins for hand-to-hand use. The Ron Paul Survival Kit — now an industry standard — comes in an official World War II US Army ammo holder.” -Ad for ‘The Original Famous Ron Paul Survival Kit,’ undated

9. “[Martin Luther King, Jr.], the FBI files reveal, was not only a world-class adulterer, he also seduced underage girls and boys…And we are supposed to honor this ‘Christian minister’ and lying socialist satyr with a holiday that puts him on par with George Washington?” -December 1990

10. “It turns out that the brilliant [Bobby Fischer], who has all the makings of an American hero, is very politically incorrect on Jewish questions, for which he will never be forgiven, even though he is a Jew. Thus we are not supposed to herald him as the world’s greatest chess player.” -November 1992, background on Fischer’s “politically incorrect” views (which include Holocaust denial) here.

http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/12/10-shocking-quotes-from-ron-pauls-newsletters.php?ref=fpblg
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2,3,4,5,7,8,9 I have no problem with.
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ZRX1200 wrote:
2,3,4,5,7,8,9 I have no problem with.


Really?

2:Upcoming race war in the cities?
3:So get rid of all anti-discrimination laws. A position, but it assumes racism is dead and the free market will equal everything out.
4:That attitude is quickly going away, which is why it's considered a stupid statement.
5:Jewish conspiracy?
7:Paranoid end of the worlder.
8:Same as 7.
9: MLK a pedophile with both boys and girls? This is the only place I've heard of that and it's just vile to say these things with no proof to try and discredit an icon who made the world better. Certainly sounds racist.
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rfenst wrote:
2. If he really was a racist, he'd be caught on video- Huh? Suddenly video is the Golden Standard? -- You're damn right it is. Anybody in politics has a camera on them all the time. How many racist comments have been caught on video coming from politicians? From RP? How many ANTI-racist comments have been caught on video coming from RP? Dozens.


3. Lew Rockwell wrote it- Has Rockwell admitted this or taken ownership? Have you ever even looked at it? -- No, Rockwell hasn't come forward. But I'm betting that somebody will soon. Paul himself might even out him, which I would be perfectly OK with.

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FuzzNJ wrote:
Really?

2:Upcoming race war in the cities?
3:So get rid of all anti-discrimination laws. A position, but it assumes racism is dead and the free market will equal everything out.
4:That attitude is quickly going away, which is why it's considered a stupid statement.
5:Jewish conspiracy?
7:Paranoid end of the worlder.
8:Same as 7.
9: MLK a pedophile with both boys and girls? This is the only place I've heard of that and it's just vile to say these things with no proof to try and discredit an icon who made the world better. Certainly sounds racist.



The thing is, if you look at the stuff that was written, and you listen to RP actually speak and look at other stuff that was without a doubt written by him...it just doesn't add up. The dude just doesn't talk like that. He doesn't speak violently or angrily like that. Lew Rockwell, however, does. And Rockwell was in cahoots with Murray Rothbard, who actually praised "The Bell Curve". Remember that book?

Paul is caught in a bad spot. He doesn't want to out somebody who has been in his corner for 20+ years. But I think he will have to. Unless Rockwell (or somebody else) comes forward.
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borndead1 wrote:


Paul is caught in a bad spot.



And, he has no one to blame but himself.

OK, I have spent about three hours now since last night reading platforms, articles, documents purportedly signed by Paul and video clips of debate segments and interviews of Paul. I don't like the amount of support he gets from militia, hate groups and anti-income tax protesters. I do believe he has made way too many off-color statements and that he has failed to fully and publicly extricate himself from them.

Gingrich is unfit and scares me. Romney is dull and less than first rate in many areas. Too bad the real choice for the next President will come down to one of these three R's (likely Romney) and Obama. Not great choices any way I look at it. The R's can't do any better than its top three candidates, all of whom are simply being recycled? I'd take Hillary over all of them.

I wish we could simply get a Bill Clinton redux. Hell, even Bush Sr. and Reagan would do right now.
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It's hard to get in a uproar about 20 year old statements. People gladly and freely supported Obama when it was obvious he was a racist and attended a white-hating church for decades. Plus, he stacked the ballort boxes and hung with the wrong crowd. Plus, he had no real political background to run for POTUS other than a short haul in the Senate where he failed to vote on anything of substance. Yet, the sheeple of the U.S. hopped on board the "hope and change" wagon and got taken for a ride they all regret at this point.

Frankly, there is no candidate without fault - they don't exist. There is no candidate who said something 20 years ago that they regret and have since changed their mind. No one is perfect. No one is near perfect. I said things 20 years ago that I truly regret. I've changed my opinion on many things over the years. I've switched party affiliations more than once. With age comes growth and wisdom. There isn't a single candidate running that isn't as dirty or filthy as the next on some level. So, you gotta pick the person whom you think you can support.

All I know is our current POTUS isn't working out as promised. In fact, I can't believe he's let things go so far south as he has in his term. And, we don't have any candidates that are clean and truly worth voting for. As such, my money is still in Paul's corner despite what we know about him. I can't back any other candidate at this point because they are all wayyyyy too flawed....
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chiefburg wrote:
It's hard to get in a uproar about 20 year old statements.


lol I bet it's not hard if the politician is someone you don't like though.
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Very well said, Chief. The problem is some of us want the perfect candidate & analyze every microcosm of their fiber. The result will, of course be disappointing. Unbeknownst to us, many ideal candidates will never run just because of that. Others will vote out of societal guilt or perhaps merely on skin color as if to say "Take that! for years of oppression- I want what's mine now!". I'm leaning towards writing in Ron Paul but only in appreciation for his kinky cameo in Bruno.

We don't want religious standards & yet we want a peaceful society. Give us our holiday ham bonuses & to hell with tomorrow as we drink and enjoy the circus. We want candidates who are are better than us, only so that we can tear them down and make them like us.


Some of you will be crushed & weepy when your candidate loses in 2012. Hang in there & whatever you do, don't listen to Wildfire:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pc3OnSQc48s

Crying
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FuzzNJ wrote:
lol I bet it's not hard if the politician is someone you don't like though.


Are you saying people make some type of decision on a candidate and then filter any and all information about that candidate and other candidates in a light most favorable to that chosen candidate? Because if that is what you are indicating, I think that you are right. It is human nature in almost every aspect of our lives.
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bloody spaniard wrote:
Very well said, Chief. The problem is some of us want the perfect candidate & analyze every microcosm of their fiber. what's mine now!". I'm leaning towards writing in Ron Paul but only in appreciation for his kinky cameo in Bruno.


I agree withe the above portion of your statement. However, I would think you must agree that there are some actions, positions and statements- which although can be forgiven, should not be forgotten .
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borndead1 wrote:


So he's possibly a discreet racist. I dunno if he's racist or not, but the fact that there is no video of him making racists comments is of no consequence really. IMHO.

Curious stuff indeed. A bit of wag the dog? Perhaps, but curious nonetheless.
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rfenst wrote:
I agree withe the above portion of your statement. However, I would think you must agree that there are some actions, positions and statements- which although can be forgiven, should not be forgotten .



Very true, Robert.
These times call for men of action however & I'm willing to overlook warts if the candidate can get the job done (reduce debt, unemployment, remove business red tape, etc.). Besides, that's why we have 3 (inept) branches of Government to counterbalance each other. Racist motives don't stand a chance. Otherwise, it's more of what we've had for decades and our time is running short. We don't need more show ponies that say all the right things & look just right.


...and a very happy and successful new year to you and yours, Herf!Beer
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This video clip from "The Young Turks" show by Cenk Uygur nicely sums up why the Republican Party and corporate lobbyists are so damned afraid of Ron Paul

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8EwKLAuSyw
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pdxstogieman wrote:
This video clip from "The Young Turks" show by Cenk Uygur nicely sums up why the Republican Party and corporate lobbyists are so damned afraid of Ron Paul

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8EwKLAuSyw

Interesting clip and very true of how many view Paul. I know he isn't the complete answer and he has some issues that I disapprove of. But, he's more in line with what I believe needs to happen with this country and I don't think any of the other candidates can deliver. Sad day for America....
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In some ways I believe R.Paul to be the perfect candidate for this defining moment in our country. Regardless of political affiliation or who is to blame, this country, and the world's other major economies, are on the verge of collapse due to the overspending of it's respective governments.

Though I have serious issues with the foreign policy of Mr. Paul, the raw fear and panic he would instill in both parties if he were elected would force the two parties to work together just to be able to overcome the simple veto power Paul would be able to wield.

For too long politicians have ran this nation when what we needed were statesmen. Perhaps he is or is not the principled man he appears to be, but he has not changed his message for decades and now some of his flagship views have found a voice in the Republican party. On some issues I believe his opinions to be ludicrous, but I would absolutely love to see both parties attempt to deal with Mr. Paul if he found himself living at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.
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Call me crazy...Gonz but I suspect that a third party candidate (Trump, Paul...) will emerge & seal a defeat for the Republicans.
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Im almost thinking we need a business man in the White House, not a politician. The politicians are continuing to ruin our country and we truly need some "hope and change"......
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chiefburg wrote:
Im almost thinking we need a business man in the White House, not a politician. The politicians are continuing to ruin our country and we truly need some "hope and change"......



The more I think about it, the more I regret not voting for that little pompous Perot who was right about NAFTA all along.
I think it was the dictatorial stories I'd heard about him from employees... and then the sheet-eating grin as he raised Jesse Jackson's hand during a photo op.
pdxstogieman Offline
#48 Posted:
Joined: 10-04-2007
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chiefburg wrote:
Im almost thinking we need a business man in the White House, not a politician. The politicians are continuing to ruin our country and we truly need some "hope and change"......


You don't think "Businessmen" have had a significant hand in ruining this country? The problem is that the politicians have all been bought to do the bidding of the global corporatista's, aka, "Businessmen". Businessmen worked very hard and spent a lot of money to buy politicians to get the system rigged to allow them to make ****loads of money on highly speculative, risk fraught investment vehicles whether those investments actually panned out or if they went to hell, because when they went to hell it was other people, mostly the taxpayer paying out for the losses.

Politicians have become increasingly and pervasively corrupt. Who do you think is instrumental in corrupting them and setting the rules to allow them to be corrupted legally? Businessmen. That's who. Not all businessmen, mostly the .05%. The Koch brothers, George Soros, our good friends the execs at Goldman Sachs, Ben Bernanke and the Fed. You think those guys are gonna save the country? They are too busy sucking cash out this country to be bothered making things like the good old days for guys like you and I.

Their philosophy is if somebody CAN be f#cked, they deserve to be f#cked. Guess they didn't pay attention to the business ethics course when they went to college.

The politicians are just the implements used by the Businessmen who are dismantling this country and basically any sovereignty of any nation they can in order to be able to parasitically plunder those hosts and leave the empty shell when they're done and ready to move on to the next blood bearing host.
snowwolf777 Offline
#49 Posted:
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It seems to be the eternal curse of all the past great third party candidates. They have this raft of out-of-the-box ideas that gets everyone cheering. We're going to see real change. Break the two-party gridlock. And just when you think we have finally arrived at the great third party alternative ...

... the media pops out footage of him making a speech that he routinely receives communication from the mother ship via the crabgrass in his back yard.

And he's making the speech in black face and ass-less chaps ...

...at a third grader picnic ...

... where he wasn't even invited to speak.

You know ... that old chestnut.

Frying pan
ZRX1200 Offline
#50 Posted:
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Don't be skurred.....
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