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Ron Paul is an annoying menace
hankhill Offline
#1 Posted:
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Just wanted to throw it out there. Looking though the post I see this place is infected with RP supporters. Please, you guys, wake up and realize that Paul is an even bigger demigod and threat to this nation than Obama, if thats possible. You are under the influence of a cult which impairs your ability to think objectively or logically. Paul is nothing more than a crazy old man who rails against everything and everyone who represents common sense. I dont need to back any of this up because its all been said already.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#2 Posted:
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http://www.amazon.com/Revolution-Manifesto-Ron-Paul/dp/0446537527/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1326374775&sr=1-1

http://www.amazon.com/Liberty-Defined-Essential-Issues-Freedom/dp/1455501441/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1326374800&sr=1-3

http://www.amazon.com/End-Fed-Ron-Paul/dp/B004IEA4DM/ref=sr_1_5?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1326374816&sr=1-5

Read the books and educate yourself.

You're only parroting what the media is telling you he is....and it shows.

The more you read the better you understand why they're willing to rip on the man.
dpnewell Offline
#3 Posted:
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hankhill wrote:
I dont need to back any of this up because its all been said already.


So because you are repeating something you heard elsewhere, it makes it Gospel truth, and you are exempt from having to back up your ramblings with actual facts. Ohhhhh Kayyyyy.
FuzzNJ Offline
#4 Posted:
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The Republican in-fighting like this is fun to watch for me. Schadenfreude is an over used word and pretentious, but it does explain it well.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#5 Posted:
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FuzzNJ wrote:
The Republican in-fighting like this is fun to watch for me. Schadenfreude is an over used word and pretentious, but it does explain it well.



In-fighting?

I don't see it like that at all.

Then again Schadenfreude and Snickerdoodles is what you're all about. That's why you're here. It's not because you buy and smoke cigars or hang around those that do.

Wear your brown shirt and swastika proudly. You earned it!
hankhill Offline
#6 Posted:
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dpnewell wrote:
So because you are repeating something you heard elsewhere, it makes it Gospel truth, and you are exempt from having to back up your ramblings with actual facts. Ohhhhh Kayyyyy.


so the RP cult is more objective then "the media"? allllllrighty.
TMCTLT Offline
#7 Posted:
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hankhill wrote:
so the RP cult is more objective then "the media"? allllllrighty.



Ummm YES....yes they are. Are you chitten me, the media wakes up and meets everyday to find out from the Administration what their talking points for the day / week are
FuzzNJ Offline
#8 Posted:
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
In-fighting?

I don't see it like that at all.

Then again Schadenfreude and Snickerdoodles is what you're all about. That's why you're here. It's not because you buy and smoke cigars or hang around those that do.

Wear your brown shirt and swastika proudly. You earned it!



Now I'm a nazi? A communist a socialist and a nazi. Also a moron, uninformed and write in a way that makes you think I'm talking over your heads by using big words.

I'm one versitile guy.
tailgater Offline
#9 Posted:
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FuzzNJ wrote:
.... Schadenfreude is an over used word and pretentious.....


Hence, you'll be sure to incorporate it into your post.
FuzzNJ Offline
#10 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
Hence, you'll be sure to incorporate it into your post.



Yes, yes I did. You got me. Oh how that critique hurt me so. It's pretentious to say a word is pretentious. You are so insightful.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#11 Posted:
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FuzzNJ wrote:
I'm one versitile guy.



No you're not.

You're nailed down by your own words and actions.

You're akin to a beached whale. Can't swim anymore...stinks up the place and offers nothing in return.
DrafterX Offline
#12 Posted:
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I took a test on the internets and it told me I had to vote for Bachman.... Mellow
DrMaddVibe Offline
#13 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
I took a test on the internets and it told me I had to vote for Bachman.... Mellow



Good luck with that!Herfing
ZRX1200 Offline
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Awwww.......looky here a new troll!



Mom can I keep it?!
daveincincy Offline
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FuzzNJ wrote:
The Republican in-fighting like this is fun to watch for me. Schadenfreude is an over used word and pretentious, but it does explain it well.


So this is a nice change of pace for you when you can step away from your "in-fighting" on other democrat laden forums? Actually, there's probably not much in-fighting on the democratic forums. Probably just a lot of grumbling, complaining, and worrying if government will extend unemployment another year. Speaking of fear, I think the biggest fear of those supporting Obama is the fear of actually having to go back to work.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#16 Posted:
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daveincincy wrote:
So this is a nice change of pace for you when you can step away from your "in-fighting" on other democrat laden forums? Actually, there's probably not much in-fighting on the democratic forums. Probably just a lot of grumbling, complaining, and worrying if government will extend unemployment another year. Speaking of fear, I think the biggest fear of those supporting Obama is the fear of actually having to go back to work.



...in the PRIVATE SECTOR!!!!!Frying pan
ZRX1200 Offline
#17 Posted:
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You feeling lucky punk?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6L0uDJruopk
Whistlebritches Offline
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A little reality check is in order here.......If Ron Paul looked like Tom Selleck and sounded like Sam Elliot he might have a chance.He sounds like a gremlin........and looks akin to one.Sorry but unfortunately appearance is a huge thing in politics.

I could care less about the appearance of our president.i just want one that's not a socialist.


Ron
DrafterX Offline
#19 Posted:
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Whistlebritches wrote:
A little reality check is in order here.......If Ron Paul looked like Tom Selleck and sounded like Sam Elliot he might have a chance.



or if he had tits like Palin... Mellow
ZRX1200 Offline
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Gingrich has tits!
hankhill Offline
#21 Posted:
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There are 2, and ONLY two reasons people get drawn into the cult (once theyre in, and brainwashed, they babble and parrot what theyre told to, so all brain fuction has ceased to exist and speaking of "opinions" a that point is a misnomer), namely:

1.) theyre potheads, and RP wants to legalize dope.
2.) theyre "pacifists" or concerned with "social justice", i.e. they believe that every country EXCEPT the U.S. should have any national defense.

All the other stuff about the Constitution and fiscal conservatism is HOGWASH, a attempt at a veneer of respectablity put on the cult. They have no agenda or issues other than advancing RP power and money. Actually I dont even think he's in control of the "movement" at this point. Its probably been commandeered by anti-democratic, totalitarian forces probably allied with Obama. Isnt it obvious? He will NOT win the nomination, of course, but he WILL run 3rd party, unless decent people work to prevent it.

ZRX1200 Offline
#22 Posted:
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You're a piece of work troll.

Go slip on a banana peel or go **** yourself either way it's a win win.
dstieger Offline
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Hank,
If you were describing just about any other candidate who ever ran as a Libertarian, I might agree with you. Ron Paul, however, is a huge exception. You've got him pigeon-holed very poorly.
dstieger Offline
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or what Jaime said....he's more eloquent.....lol
hankhill Offline
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ZRX1200 wrote:
You're a piece of work troll.

Go slip on a banana peel or go **** yourself either way it's a win win.


I wish ronpaul would slip on a banana peel, probably be the end of him and his dirty cult, what is he 400 years old?
teedubbya Offline
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Ron Paul is a useful foil. His ideas have and will help move the conversation in the right direction at times. In their entirety? No thank you. He is not the messiah. People are just so desperate. To question Paul means you are just not informed or mind numbed by the drive by media. Nonsense.

He has merit. I'd vote for Ron Popeil before I would vote for Ron Paul. But I will listen and sort through his ideas accepting some and rejecting many.
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teedubbya wrote:

He has merit. I'd vote for Ron Popeil before I would vote for Ron Paul.


How awesome would State of the Union addresses be? But wait....there's more!
ZRX1200 Offline
#28 Posted:
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Teedubbya at least has a reasoned disagreement that's thought out and well worded.


WTF?


I thinks there's alot of assumptions by people that RP supporters fully back every idea. I watched "Moneyball" last night and made me think of this. His conversation with the scouts about what they needed and why .......
DrMaddVibe Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
Ron Paul is a useful foil. His ideas have and will help move the conversation in the right direction at times. In their entirety? No thank you. He is not the messiah. People are just so desperate. To question Paul means you are just not informed or mind numbed by the drive by media. Nonsense.

He has merit. I'd vote for Ron Popeil before I would vote for Ron Paul. But I will listen and sort through his ideas accepting some and rejecting many.



Ok, based on your statements...who has your vote?

The candidates I've looked at are lacking in more areas than Paul for my type of leadership. I want someone that will clean up the fiscal mess our nation is in and root out the criminals. I don't want bigger government, I want it smaller like our founding documents detail! If our soldiers aren't home from Japan/Okinawa and Germany by now...then the soldiers in the Big Sand Boxes have a LONG wait ahead of them. It's time to cut where it needs to be cut and giving money away to other countries and military spending are at the top of the heap!

Is he the "messiah"? Nobody is claiming that at all. He happens to espouse the same rhetoric year after year and just like Perot was right about NAFTA and the debt...He's right about getting our nation back to it's roots and restoring Freedom...HERE before we can even spread it around if we even should to begin with! Yes, I've told people like Wheel to read up and now this pop up Newtster. All they say is he's too old...doesn't wear the right tie...I heard on tv that he eats feti w/ BBQ sauce...and various other misquotes or fabrications. I've taken my time and made my selections based on sound evidence. Not some flavor of the week or bandwagon fan. Romney is now starting to lift Paul's statements and add them to his speeches!

Ron Popeil..ok...he's not running though is he?
DrafterX Offline
#30 Posted:
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How is Ham Sammich doing in the polls..?? Huh
DrMaddVibe Offline
#31 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
How is Ham Sammich doing in the polls..?? Huh



Right behind Bachman!Sick
teedubbya Offline
#32 Posted:
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To be honest I don't like any of them all that well. But when you throw Paul into that bucket (of not liking him) some go apesheet. He's not all that. He's just another politician. He would be well down the list for me.... a very bad list at that.

He would likely be my last choice of all of them (except Bachman) including Obama. Some of his ideas are good, but I find many have a kernal of truth and then fly into the not realistic zone. I really beleive most Presidents are limited in the amount of damage or harm they can do to this country (the whole checks and balance thing). Bush and Obama are challenging my assumption on this, but I really beleive if Paul were to be elected (not going to happen) it would be an unmitigated disaster.

I also think many attach themselves to him because they beleive he will never get elected. It reminds me of Lyndon LaRouche. He is a mechanism to get one thought process into the mainstream, but nearly zero chance of actually winning the election. It does a couple things. Allows folks to bitch about whomever wins and say see you shoulda..... while not really assuming any risk that their man may get elected and get their chops smacked when it is a disaster. But it also allows like minded folks on the undercard to gain traction and actually get elected.

I find Paul useful... just not someone I would ever throw my vote at.


I don't like most of the Rep candidates which pains me. I could vote for the top 3 or 4 over obama, but would vote obama over paul.
frankj1 Offline
#33 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
Ron Paul is a useful foil. His ideas have and will help move the conversation in the right direction at times. In their entirety? No thank you. He is not the messiah. People are just so desperate. To question Paul means you are just not informed or mind numbed by the drive by media. Nonsense.

He has merit. I'd vote for Ron Popeil before I would vote for Ron Paul. But I will listen and sort through his ideas accepting some and rejecting many.

just set it, and forget it.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#34 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
To be honest I don't like any of them all that well. But when you throw Paul into that bucket (of not liking him) some go apesheet. He's not all that. He's just another politician. He would be well down the list for me.... a very bad list at that.

He would likely be my last choice of all of them (except Bachman) including Obama. Some of his ideas are good, but I find many have a kernal of truth and then fly into the not realistic zone. I really beleive most Presidents are limited in the amount of damage or harm they can do to this country (the whole checks and balance thing). Bush and Obama are challenging my assumption on this, but I really beleive if Paul were to be elected (not going to happen) it would be an unmitigated disaster.

I also think many attach themselves to him because they beleive he will never get elected. It reminds me of Lyndon LaRouche. He is a mechanism to get one thought process into the mainstream, but nearly zero chance of actually winning the election. It does a couple things. Allows folks to bitch about whomever wins and say see you shoulda..... while not really assuming any risk that their man may get elected and get their chops smacked when it is a disaster. But it also allows like minded folks on the undercard to gain traction and actually get elected.

I find Paul useful... just not someone I would ever throw my vote at.


I don't like most of the Rep candidates which pains me. I could vote for the top 3 or 4 over obama, but would vote obama over paul.



Fair enough and thought out. I can't say the same for most of the RP bashers. However; you and I differ in one key area...Obama needs to go. He doesn't deserve a 2nd term. A 2nd term is when a President just goes bat**** crazy and it all hits the fan and we pay the price for them for decades. The dismal failure that his 1st one has been...he needs to go and take the title away from Jimmy Carter as the US's worst President and go on speaking tours or Oprah...whichever one he can get the smaller audience with!
teedubbya Offline
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Fair enough and thought out. I can't say the same for most of the RP bashers. However; you and I differ in one key area...Obama needs to go. He doesn't deserve a 2nd term. A 2nd term is when a President just goes bat**** crazy and it all hits the fan and we pay the price for them for decades. The dismal failure that his 1st one has been...he needs to go and take the title away from Jimmy Carter as the US's worst President and go on speaking tours or Oprah...whichever one he can get the smaller audience with!


I agree with you, and that is why I am torn. I will likely vote for someone I really do not like for this very reason.

The problem is, the same was true for Bush but a combination of partisan hacks (many in here) and John Kerry being the other option got him back in. I took the poison and voted for neither. Bush got elected which borders on criminally insane to me. Then I voted for Obama because of Bush fatigue and McCain (who I once actually liked) made the dumb pure ly political sell out move of picking miss thang as a running mate.

So in reality for over the last decade I have not voted for someone I really beleive in (since I voted for GWB first term...then he turned out to be the worst prez in my lifetime...at least for the time being). In that regard I envy your support of Paul. I just don't agree on the man.
FuzzNJ Offline
#36 Posted:
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
No you're not.

You're nailed down by your own words and actions.

You're akin to a beached whale. Can't swim anymore...stinks up the place and offers nothing in return.


Awesome.
FuzzNJ Offline
#37 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
I thinks there's alot of assumptions by people that RP supporters fully back every idea.


Really? I wouldn't know what that was like at all. Weird.
FuzzNJ Offline
#38 Posted:
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Ok, based on your statements...who has your vote?

The candidates I've looked at are lacking in more areas than Paul for my type of leadership. I want someone that will clean up the fiscal mess our nation is in and root out the criminals. I don't want bigger government, I want it smaller like our founding documents detail! If our soldiers aren't home from Japan/Okinawa and Germany by now...then the soldiers in the Big Sand Boxes have a LONG wait ahead of them. It's time to cut where it needs to be cut and giving money away to other countries and military spending are at the top of the heap!

Is he the "messiah"? Nobody is claiming that at all. He happens to espouse the same rhetoric year after year and just like Perot was right about NAFTA and the debt...He's right about getting our nation back to it's roots and restoring Freedom...HERE before we can even spread it around if we even should to begin with! Yes, I've told people like Wheel to read up and now this pop up Newtster. All they say is he's too old...doesn't wear the right tie...I heard on tv that he eats feti w/ BBQ sauce...and various other misquotes or fabrications. I've taken my time and made my selections based on sound evidence. Not some flavor of the week or bandwagon fan. Romney is now starting to lift Paul's statements and add them to his speeches!

Ron Popeil..ok...he's not running though is he?



He's obviously your Messiah. You talk about him more than any liberal brought up Obama on these boards. While we're getting rid of everything we should go back in time 250 years or so. That's when this isolationist policy might have worked. It won't work today at all, it would cripple the US economy and send the world into a depression worse than any other. One good thing is that at that point people would turn to a more socialist government. So neato.
DrMaddVibe Offline
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FuzzNJ wrote:
He's obviously your Messiah. You talk about him more than any liberal brought up Obama on these boards. While we're getting rid of everything we should go back in time 250 years or so. That's when this isolationist policy might have worked. It won't work today at all, it would cripple the US economy and send the world into a depression worse than any other. One good thing is that at that point people would turn to a more socialist government. So neato.



So says the goosestepping Snickerdoodle...yeah...going deeper in the hole with more debt...more wars...less personal Freedoms...yeah...let's stick with YOUR guy!

By YOUR own admissions, he's a FAILURE!

How's that a formula for success?
borndead1 Offline
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FuzzNJ wrote:
While we're getting rid of everything we should go back in time 250 years or so. -- Typical uber-reactionary kneejerk response, akin to Christians who think people will marry their dog if gay marriage is legalized.

That's when this isolationist policy might have worked. -- Isolationism is not the same thing as non-interventionism.

it would cripple the US economy -- Ummmm...it's not crippled now? Hello? 14 trillion dollars in debt?

One good thing is that at that point people would turn to a more socialist government. -- Yeah, that's worked out really well for Europe. Just ask the 7 countries that are going bankrupt.

TarponMan Offline
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All bickering about Ron Paul aside, even he said he can't really picture himself in the White House.

He has strong opinions, and noble convictions, but it seems obvious this is a vanity effort on his part, and as humble as he may seem, only an individual with a giant ego would subject themselves to the scrutiny and endless aggrevation of a presidential campaign.

Further, if Paul were elected, he would be 77 years old when he was inaugurated. Reagan was considered pretty old when he took office. He was 70. Consider how rapidly presidents age in office. In one term, Paul would have the appearance of a mummie, at best.

Finally, if he was bold enough to attempt a third pary run for president, he would get a sufficient number of votes from the Republican candidate to assure Obama's re-election.

Other than that, I guess he's OK.
DrMaddVibe Offline
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TarponMan wrote:
All bickering about Ron Paul aside, even he said he can't really picture himself in the White House.

He has strong opinions, and noble convictions, but it seems obvious this is a vanity effort on his part, and as humble as he may seem, only an individual with a giant ego would subject themselves to the scrutiny and endless aggrevation of a presidential campaign.

Further, if Paul were elected, he would be 77 years old when he was inaugurated. Reagan was considered pretty old when he took office. He was 70. Consider how rapidly presidents age in office. In one term, Paul would have the appearance of a mummie, at best.

Finally, if he was bold enough to attempt a third pary run for president, he would get a sufficient number of votes from the Republican candidate to assure Obama's re-election.

Other than that, I guess he's OK.



The similarities are there...Reagan and Paul. I really don't think it's a vanity issue. His books read like Thomas Paine's. From the hip and chock full of common sense. No grey areas to ponder. This is his 3rd run for the office so that ties him with Joe Walsh. and Pat Paulson.

There was a recent study about how President's age...

http://yourlife.usatoday.com/health/story/2011-12-06/Study-Presidents-live-longer-than-men-of-their-times/51677818/1

So we can dismiss that one!

If I'm not mistaken he's said he's not seeking a 3rd party ticket already.
FuzzNJ Offline
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borndead1 wrote:
While we're getting rid of everything we should go back in time 250 years or so. -- Typical uber-reactionary kneejerk response, akin to Christians who think people will marry their dog if gay marriage is legalized.

That's when this isolationist policy might have worked. -- Isolationism is not the same thing as non-interventionism.

it would cripple the US economy -- Ummmm...it's not crippled now? Hello? 14 trillion dollars in debt?

One good thing is that at that point people would turn to a more socialist government. -- Yeah, that's worked out really well for Europe. Just ask the 7 countries that are going bankrupt.



So the US economy is bankrupt because of our 14 trillion debt, but we have Capitalism. Europe is going bankrupt because of socialism. China is booming and they are communist. And somehow that has to make sense in order for us to believe our bs system is best.
FuzzNJ Offline
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
The similarities are there...Reagan and Paul. I really don't think it's a vanity issue. His books read like Thomas Paine's. From the hip and chock full of common sense. No grey areas to ponder. This is his 3rd run for the office so that ties him with Joe Walsh. and Pat Paulson.



Paul and Reagan are similar? lmfao
borndead1 Offline
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FuzzNJ wrote:
So the US economy is bankrupt because of our 14 trillion debt, but we have Capitalism. Europe is going bankrupt because of socialism. China is booming and they are communist. And somehow that has to make sense in order for us to believe our bs system is best.



We don't practice anything even remotely close to Capitalism in this country. Nor does China practice true Communism.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#46 Posted:
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Paul and Reagan are similar? lmfao



Don't you have some carrots to lick?

Yeah...similarities are there. Laugh all you want. You're only making yourself out to be the board's biggest idiot with each rectal itching post at a time!
FuzzNJ Offline
#47 Posted:
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borndead1 wrote:
We don't practice anything even remotely close to Capitalism in this country. Nor does China practice true Communism.


So, no country has ever had a 'pure' economic system. Europe isn't perfect socialism either even though it's not on the extreme sides like communism and capitalism. Your distinction is one without a difference. The closest we have on the planet to pure capitalism is Somolia, no centralized government, no regulations, no taxes etc. That place should be thriving if economic systems alone determined a country's success/failure.
FuzzNJ Offline
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Don't you have some carrots to lick?

Yeah...similarities are there. Laugh all you want. You're only making yourself out to be the board's biggest idiot with each rectal itching post at a time!



Ok, I'll start, they were both old when running for President.

What are the rest?
DrafterX Offline
#49 Posted:
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Is Ron Paul's wife hot..?? Huh
FuzzNJ Offline
#50 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
Is Ron Paul's wife hot..?? Huh


I forgot about that one, who has the hottest wife. That's an important thing for the country, whether or not the first lady is f*ckable.
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