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FuzzNJ Offline
#1 Posted: Fri, Jan 13 2012, 3:24 PM EST
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success can be attributed to divine intervention. In other words, God is helping Tebow win games."

yikes, that's a lot of people.
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#2 Posted: Fri, Jan 13 2012, 3:40 PM EST
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The religion forum is that way ------->
teedubbya Offline
#3 Posted: Fri, Jan 13 2012, 3:42 PM EST
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What is wrong with that? I attribute much of what happens in my life to the loving hand of god.
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#4 Posted: Fri, Jan 13 2012, 3:54 PM EST
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so if they lose it's cause God likes the Patriots better..?? Huh
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#5 Posted: Fri, Jan 13 2012, 4:01 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
so if they lose it's cause God likes the Patriots better..?? Huh


Apparently, but I don't think they thought it through that far.
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#6 Posted: Fri, Jan 13 2012, 4:18 PM EST
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Even if there is no God, his beleif in God shapes who he is and what he does. Most certainly God plays a role in his success. So I would answer in the affirmative as well.

Why do you hate God and all those who beleive?
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#7 Posted: Fri, Jan 13 2012, 4:30 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Even if there is no God, his beleif in God shapes who he is and what he does. Most certainly God plays a role in his success. So I would answer in the affirmative as well.

Why do you hate God and all those who beleive?


lmao I don't know, why do you hate those who don't?
teedubbya Offline
#8 Posted: Fri, Jan 13 2012, 4:34 PM EST
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because they walk with the devil and I hate the devil
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#9 Posted: Fri, Jan 13 2012, 4:36 PM EST
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...and 60% consciously and subconsciously want him to fail.

I know 60% + 43% = 103%

The 3% is overlap. Because some folks, even though they call themselves "Christians," wonder why God would bless Tebow, a celebrity/athlete, more than themselves because they feel they have "worked" harder at being a good Christian. i.e. I've been a Christian over 30 years, gone to Church every Sunday, volunteered, tithed 10%, gone on mission trips, etc etc....Tebow's worth millions now...he's too young. (just an opinion...perhaps I'm a bit of a cynic)
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#10 Posted: Fri, Jan 13 2012, 4:36 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
because they walk with the devil and I hate the devil


Well good for you. Hate away. There's no hating here.
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#11 Posted: Fri, Jan 13 2012, 4:37 PM EST
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Fuzz is mixing religion & politics ?

Think
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#12 Posted: Fri, Jan 13 2012, 4:39 PM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Well good for you. Hate away. There's no hating here.


Yes there is. We just hate different entities. You hate God and Jesus. I hate the Devil. It's all good. Eternity is a long time. This worldly life is relatively short. We won't have to disagree for all that long and I'll even buy you a donut if we meet. It's the kind of guy I am.
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#13 Posted: Fri, Jan 13 2012, 4:39 PM EST
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daveincincy wrote:
...and 60% consciously and subconsciously want him to fail.

I know 60% + 43% = 103%

The 3% is overlap. Because some folks, even though they call themselves "Christians," wonder why God would bless Tebow, a celebrity/athlete, more than themselves because they feel they have "worked" harder at being a good Christian. i.e. I've been a Christian over 30 years, gone to Church every Sunday, volunteered, tithed 10%, gone on mission trips, etc etc....Tebow's worth millions now...he's too young. (just an opinion...perhaps I'm a bit of a cynic)



Really? so if you don't think Jesus is helping him score touchdowns you want him to fail? Good grief people, it's football, not a holy war.

They think what? He's a good football player because he he works hard at being a good christian?
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#14 Posted: Fri, Jan 13 2012, 4:42 PM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Really? so if you don't think Jesus is helping him score touchdowns you want him to fail? Good grief people, it's football, not a holy war.

They think what? He's a good football player because he he works hard at being a good christian?



The baby Jesus still loves you. I'm not sure of adult Jesus, he probably has figured you out.
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#15 Posted: Fri, Jan 13 2012, 4:44 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
The baby Jesus still loves you. I'm not sure of adult Jesus, he probably has figured you out.


Preach it brother. Preach!
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#16 Posted: Fri, Jan 13 2012, 4:45 PM EST
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God helps Tebow win cuz He bet the under.
teedubbya Offline
#17 Posted: Fri, Jan 13 2012, 4:46 PM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Preach it brother. Preach!



Amen.
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#18 Posted: Fri, Jan 13 2012, 4:47 PM EST
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Post 1: Fuzz posts a stat regarding a poll involving an NFL player and religion.

Post 13: After some responses from both sides of the aisle, Fuzz retorts "Good grief people, it's football, not a holy war"


Turn the heat up and then complain about the temperature.

Bored?
Needy?
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#19 Posted: Fri, Jan 13 2012, 4:47 PM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Really? so if you don't think Jesus is helping him score touchdowns you want him to fail? Good grief people, it's football, not a holy war.

They think what? He's a good football player because he he works hard at being a good christian?



Maybe I paint with too broad a paint brush...you think? LOL

Y'all see how flustered Fuzz got right there? Meh...it was just easier to come up with one number (percent) when added to 43 that came to 100 (or close to it). I don't feel like coming up with a pie-chart. The reality is there are several folks, Christian and non-, that would get some satisfaction out of seeing Tebow the person fail...either in the playoffs (not just because they're not a Denver fan) or life in general. That's human nature.
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#20 Posted: Fri, Jan 13 2012, 4:48 PM EST
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Ya gotta admit anyone who beleives in God or that faith in God can be beneficial to one's endevors has to be really stupid.
teedubbya Offline
#21 Posted: Fri, Jan 13 2012, 4:49 PM EST
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I want Tebow to fail. I hate the Broncos. But I love the baby Jesus.
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#22 Posted: Fri, Jan 13 2012, 4:50 PM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
success can be attributed to divine intervention. In other words, God is helping Tebow win games."

yikes, that's a lot of people.



In regards to the first post:

This is pure hogwash.

Go on. Ask your friend. Your neighbor. Even your kids.
The knee jerk reaction to a dumb question like "Is Tebow winning because of Divine Intervention?" is a resounding YES.

Sarcastic replies to stupid questions should be mandated by law.
Yet we've got our resident fuzz to reveal it as something to be concerned with.
FuzzNJ Offline
#23 Posted: Fri, Jan 13 2012, 4:52 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Post 1: Fuzz posts a stat regarding a poll involving an NFL player and religion.

Post 13: After some responses from both sides of the aisle, Fuzz retorts "Good grief people, it's football, not a holy war"


Turn the heat up and then complain about the temperature.

Bored?
Needy?


Yes, I made the people answer the way they did. I started it by making them think it was a holy war, then complained about it. I then made everyone respond to this thread the way they did. I'm all powerful and stuff. That's obviously what happened.
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#24 Posted: Fri, Jan 13 2012, 4:53 PM EST
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Alex Beam explains it all for you:

http://www.bostonglobe.com/arts/2012/01/13/whose-side/z4wGgevf8tN9g6KDnm50fM/story.html
teedubbya Offline
#25 Posted: Fri, Jan 13 2012, 4:53 PM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Yes, I made the people answer the way they did. I started it by making them think it was a holy war, then complained about it. I then made everyone respond to this thread the way they did. I'm all powerful and stuff. That's obviously what happened.



Sometimes you do not make sense. Jesus could help you with that. It's your choice, it has to be.
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#26 Posted: Fri, Jan 13 2012, 4:55 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Yes there is. We just hate different entities. You hate God and Jesus. I hate the Devil. It's all good. Eternity is a long time. This worldly life is relatively short. We won't have to disagree for all that long and I'll even buy you a donut if we meet. It's the kind of guy I am.



Wow
Brilliant in it's simplicity.Applause

I love Tebow btw & I love Fuzz as well. However, if Fuzz is wrong, he'll have an eternity of pain. Tebow, on the other hand, will just be wrong and vanish.
FuzzNJ Offline
#27 Posted: Fri, Jan 13 2012, 4:57 PM EST
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daveincincy wrote:
Maybe I paint with too broad a paint brush...you think? LOL

Y'all see how flustered Fuzz got right there? Meh...it was just easier to come up with one number (percent) when added to 43 that came to 100 (or close to it). I don't feel like coming up with a pie-chart. The reality is there are several folks, Christian and non-, that would get some satisfaction out of seeing Tebow the person fail...either in the playoffs (not just because they're not a Denver fan) or life in general. That's human nature.



Ah, damn. Again here I go, making people say stupid things then get flustered and show that by asking what they mean. Damn, I'm amazing.

"Because some folks, .... wonder why God would bless Tebow, a celebrity/athlete, more than themselves because they feel they have "worked" harder at being a good Christian."

I questioned your statement. This explains the tebow hatred by some christians? I think it sounds incredibly stupid and I've heard nearly every christian alagory and viewpoint.
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#28 Posted: Fri, Jan 13 2012, 4:59 PM EST
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bloody spaniard wrote:
Wow
Brilliant in it's simplicity.Applause

I love Tebow btw & I love Fuzz as well. However, if Fuzz is wrong, he'll have an eternity of pain. Tebow, on the other hand, will just be wrong and vanish.



mmmm, pain for eternity. sounds so scary like an Aesop fairy tale. My, what big teeth you have mr devil.
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#29 Posted: Fri, Jan 13 2012, 5:00 PM EST
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bloody is not the Devil. Sure his farts smell a bit like sulpher but that's just an ethanol thing.
bloody spaniard Offline
#30 Posted: Fri, Jan 13 2012, 5:02 PM EST
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^ Thank you, Mr. Wizard.

FuzzNJ wrote:
mmmm, pain for eternity. sounds so scary like an Aesop fairy tale. My, what big teeth you have mr devil.



Let's assume we're both guessing. What if I'm right?
teedubbya Offline
#31 Posted: Fri, Jan 13 2012, 5:04 PM EST
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just trying to help
bloody spaniard Offline
#32 Posted: Fri, Jan 13 2012, 5:10 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
just trying to help

Of course you are, gumby. Goonite, brother T.
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#33 Posted: Fri, Jan 13 2012, 5:17 PM EST
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I think some christians may be upset by the way the Tebow story is portrayed. His athletic accomplishments and his relationship with god I don't think bothers most. I think some christians are bothered when finally a man is held up as a role model, and the press is talking about like Tebow is in front of god. Not about how he is serving his god in his life.


I have no problem with Tebow or baby jesus.......adult jesus drank my wine and teedubbya shït on my lawn. Party on.
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#34 Posted: Fri, Jan 13 2012, 5:27 PM EST
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daveincincy wrote:
...and 60% consciously and subconsciously want him to fail.

I know 60% + 43% = 103%

The 3% is overlap. Because some folks, even though they call themselves "Christians," wonder why God would bless Tebow, a celebrity/athlete, more than themselves because they feel they have "worked" harder at being a good Christian. i.e. I've been a Christian over 30 years, gone to Church every Sunday, volunteered, tithed 10%, gone on mission trips, etc etc....Tebow's worth millions now...he's too young. (just an opinion...perhaps I'm a bit of a cynic)


Dave,
This is not directed to you, but to the ungrateful “Christians” you describe in your post. As Christians, we are to rejoice when a brother is blessed, weep with those in sorrow, and help those in need. Being jealous or resentful when a brother is blessed and we are not, is a slap in God's face and shows our sinful ingratitude. If we believe that we deserve nothing from God, and everything He gives is an act of His grace, there is no room for jealously when God chooses to prosper someone else. Those who think that Christianity is all about receiving blessing and “stuff” from God, have no concept of true Christianity. It’s how we react when we lose our job, our home, or when there is no food on the table, that is the test of real faith. We will know if Tebow’s faith is real, by how he reacts when or if he loses.

Throughout my life I have had times of abundant blessing, and times of great need. The secret (which I still have trouble living) is learning to be content in all situations. As Paul said “I know how to be brought low, and I know how to abound. In any and every circumstance, I have learned the secret of facing plenty and hunger, abundance and need. I can do all things through him who strengthens me.” It’s a shame that the average “Christian” knows the last part of that verse, but have no concept of what precedes it.
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#35 Posted: Fri, Jan 13 2012, 5:30 PM EST
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Just because someone is a cristian does not mean I have to root for them on the field.
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#36 Posted: Fri, Jan 13 2012, 5:31 PM EST
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That said, if the Baby Jesus was the QB of the Redskins I'd have to root for them even though I hate them.
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#37 Posted: Fri, Jan 13 2012, 5:33 PM EST
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bloody spaniard wrote:
^ Thank you, Mr. Wizard.




Let's assume we're both guessing. What if I'm right?


Never heard that before. I'm so flummoxed.
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#38 Posted: Fri, Jan 13 2012, 5:36 PM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Never heard that before. I'm so flummoxed.


Flummoxed? is that some sort of anal fisting move?
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#39 Posted: Fri, Jan 13 2012, 5:38 PM EST
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No he uses carrots...
FuzzNJ Offline
#40 Posted: Fri, Jan 13 2012, 5:39 PM EST
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So nice to read everyone's testimony, praise the lord. The christian brotherhood on these boards is so evident it brings joy to my heart. Jesus did say you would know them by their works and you all are such a blessed example. Yours in Christ, Fuzz
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#41 Posted: Fri, Jan 13 2012, 5:41 PM EST
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I wasn't judging you. Just trying to understand you. You can put your hand wherever you want in your own body or that of another consenting adult.
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#42 Posted: Fri, Jan 13 2012, 5:48 PM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Never heard that before. I'm so flummoxed.



I think a good expectorant & a blow on a hankie can help with that flumoxy buildup. Don't listen to ZRX. A carrot could get stuck & grow into a carrot patch.


Well what that tells me is that you are either very shallow- don't worry about ramifications- indifferent, in which case you are of a stronger constitution than most, or just playing the devil's advocate in order to get a rise out of guys but in actuality have moments of quiet desperation accompanied with pillow screams. I dunno.
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#43 Posted: Fri, Jan 13 2012, 5:50 PM EST
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bloody spaniard wrote:
I think a good expectorant & a blow on a hankie can help with that flumoxy buildup. Don't listen to ZRX. A carrot could get stuck & grow into a carrot patch.


Well what that tells me is that you are either very shallow- don't worry about ramifications- indifferent, in which case you are of a stronger constitution than most, or just playing the devil's advocate in order to get a rise out of guys but in actuality have moments of quiet desperation accompanied with pillow screams. I dunno.



Way too complicated. Bedwetter
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#44 Posted: Fri, Jan 13 2012, 5:57 PM EST
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Psssst... you could be be right, but I think he's going to pick indifferent with a strong constitution (the Gary Cooper type)... shhhhhh.
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bloody spaniard wrote:
Psssst... you could be be right, but I think he's going to pick indifferent with a strong constitution (the Gary Cooper type)... shhhhhh.


for being indifferent he sure is obsessed with it.
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#46 Posted: Fri, Jan 13 2012, 6:02 PM EST
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bloody spaniard wrote:
I think a good expectorant & a blow on a hankie can help with that flumoxy buildup. Don't listen to ZRX. A carrot could get stuck & grow into a carrot patch.


Well what that tells me is that you are either very shallow- don't worry about ramifications- indifferent, in which case you are of a stronger constitution than most, or just playing the devil's advocate in order to get a rise out of guys but in actuality have moments of quiet desperation accompanied with pillow screams. I dunno.


Thanks. Not believing in your god does mean I am indifferent to ramifications. Such a great observation! There were so many different versions for me to consider, now I know the correct one. All I gotta do is believe right, then I can fly? I hope Potts is my tinkerbell.

Just to make sure there are no ramifications when I am dead, I am planning on believing all the other stories too. Can't be safe enough. It is eternity after all.
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#47 Posted: Fri, Jan 13 2012, 6:05 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
for being indifferent he sure is obsessed with it.


HA! Obsessed. lmao totally. I have a different opinion on the subject so any time it is remotely brought up it means I hate believers and am obsessed by it. Jesus, can't you guys have a disagreement without all the f*cking hyperbole? What a bunch of Henny Pennys.
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#48 Posted: Fri, Jan 13 2012, 6:10 PM EST
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you continue to bring up the same subject or similar variants. you are like a broken record beating the dead horse and several other cliches I can't think of right now. It's not the different opinion its the need to keep regurgitating it. Ok we get it. yup. obsessed is accurate. you are just as obsessed as those that have the opposite opinion.
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#49 Posted: Fri, Jan 13 2012, 6:24 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
you continue to bring up the same subject or similar variants. you are like a broken record beating the dead horse and several other cliches I can't think of right now. It's not the different opinion its the need to keep regurgitating it. Ok we get it. yup. obsessed is accurate. you are just as obsessed as those that have the opposite opinion.


Repeatedly, obviously. Not a day goes by without a post where I start insulting your god. Hell, this didn't even say anything except I was amazed at how many people think god cares about a football team. That's it. Everything else I'm being accused of did not happen, but it will now because you brought it up. If there were only an unlimited number of things to talk about on a board such as this, or variants that are similar. It's always he sucks, you suck, they suck. I swear everyone here must be upset with sucking.

Give me a break. This is your warped perception of what I, or liberals think while imagining some conspiratorial ulterior motive. It's what makes people who don't think like you do so evil.
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#50 Posted: Fri, Jan 13 2012, 6:29 PM EST
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LOL

you are too damn easy.

gotta fly


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