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Poll Question : Which would you prefer?
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Heartfelt 34 87 %
Conservagel 5 12 %
Total 39 100%

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65% Heartfelt beads
gimbel Offline
#151 Posted:
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WillyV wrote:
BTW, I need to lose 10lbs, can u help with that?

Come on out and I'll treat you to a round of my version of crossfit. If that doesn't work I'll let Simon chase you for a few miles, that should take care of it.
WillyV Offline
#152 Posted:
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gimbel wrote:
Come on out and I'll treat you to a round of my version of crossfit. If that doesn't work I'll let Simon chase you for a few miles, that should take care of it.


I guess Simon is the teething puppy?
soljazbo Offline
#153 Posted:
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Gimbel, after everyone is taking care of, if you Have any beads left that you need to get rid of can you let me know?
t33bone Offline
#154 Posted:
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soljazbo wrote:
Gimbel, after everyone is taking care of, if you Have any beads left that you need to get rid of can you let me know?

Be careful. A lot of his beads are used and been places where your mind doesn't go sometimes. LOL
schusler Offline
#155 Posted:
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t33bone wrote:
Be careful. A lot of his beads are used and been places where your mind doesn't go sometimes. LOL

i just hope they dont smell like perfume....LOL
Nicar Offline
#156 Posted:
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schusler wrote:
i just hope they dont smell like perfume....LOL



Think that would be the better ones... others may smell like.. well....damn.. did i really want him to send me beads after all?
delta1 Offline
#157 Posted:
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dudes, let's hold off on the perfume jokes until we get the beads, then let'em rip.
Romberry Offline
#158 Posted:
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gimbel wrote:
Let’s start with the basics.

Humidification beads are a moisture sensitive silica material which absorbs and desorbs moisture in order to offset changes in relative humidity (RH) in your humidor. The beads are generally available preset to a specific RH, in the case of cigars 60%, 65% and 70%. Opinions differ as to what is the “best” RH for cigars but most BOTLs seem to prefer 65% and that is my experience as well.

Humidification beads were first developed for the art and museum industry and are used extensively by that industry for the stable storage of priceless artifacts and art. The manufacturer I purchase the beads I sell also supplies places such as the Smithsonian and The National Archives.

A question that is often asked; “Are humidification beads the same as ordinary desiccant silica gel?” Definitely NOT! Humidification beads give off water vapor, as well as absorb it, to maintain a specific RH which is ideal for a cigars particular need. This is not the case with silica gel which can only absorb water then must be dried out after it is saturated. By nature silica gel is not meant to control humidity, only lower it. Humidification beads are the premier product for precise control in terms of performance, cost effectiveness, and simplicity.


A lot of that is pure marketing speak and is largely just flat wrong and with no basis in science. Silica gel beads come in several varieties with the main three being nano-pore (type A), micro-pore (type B) and wide (or macro) pore (type C). Each type has specific characteristics which lend them to be suited for particular uses.

Type A nano-pore beads are generally best suited to desiccant-only use. Type-A beads have a very narrow range of humidity response regardless of temp (within limits) or humidity (within limits) up to their capacity to absorb moisture. Since the appearance of the various types of silica gel beads is pretty much identical, an easy way to ID type A beads is to spray or soak them with water. Type A nano-pore beads will fracture (break into many pieces/turn to sand) in the presence of liquid water.

Type B and Type C are both suitable for humidity control and the level of humidity (the set point) is based on pre-conditioning and the essentially linear response curve of these bead types. Type B and Type C beads tend to adsorb (not absorb) moisture at high relative humidity levels and desorb as humidity levels fall. This response curve is why Type B and Type C beads are in fact the base products for humidity control in contained museum exhibit and gallery use. (Artsorb.) (See some response curves for the various types of silica gels in the charts at Broadchem* at http://www.broadchemical.com/FAQs/index.htm and WR Grace at http://www.grace.com/engineeredmaterials/MaterialSciences/SilicaGel/SilicaGelTypes/SilicaGelTypeAdsorption.aspx.) Beads are not "pre-set" as "pre-set" implies that beads will maintain one specific level of humidity up to the limits of adsorption (saturation) or desorbtion (dry.) Silica gel beads are instead "pre-conditioned" (which is to say they are "set" to a level of RH at a certain temperature by exposing them to the desired RH at the desired temp until they achieve equilibrium.)

Heartfelt beads are just plain silica gel type B or Type C beads. Nothing more. Nothing less. There is nothing magic about them except the price. Buy the cheapest Type B or Type C beads you can find and use those. The silica beads in some brands of cat litter** are suitable. (It isn't cat litter until your cat uses it. It's just silica gel.)

Sorry if I've stepped on any toes here, but this is an area I happen to know something about based on years of work for the archives at the Air War College at Maxwell AFB in Montgomery, AL. I had wondered about Heartfelt and their claims for a while. I have no idea if they believe what they are saying or if they just don't understand the science. Either way, their product is nothing special. Just over priced.

*The Broadchem charts are probably the more instructive. Suffice to say that these charts show that both Type B and Type C beads have the ability to adsorb more moisture at high levels of RH and less moisture at low levels of RH. Think about what that means and you will see that contra the marketing speak claim ("Humidification beads give off water vapor, as well as absorb it, to maintain a specific RH which is ideal for a cigars particular need. This is not the case with silica gel which can only absorb water then must be dried out after it is saturated"), Type B and Type C beads do in fact have the inherent ability to both adsorb and desorb. In fact, even Type A beads can both adsorb and desorb moisture, but the limited response curve of such nano-pore beads is not well suited for RH set-point stabilization so much as for drying.

**Crystal Clear Litter Pearls are generally Type B, Type C or some mixture of the two and are perfectly suited for the purpose of cigar humidor humidity stabilization and control.
BDS12 Offline
#159 Posted:
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Now you tell us, lol. Something about putting kitty litter in my humi just doesnt seem right.
cacman Offline
#160 Posted:
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^^^ That's a helluva impressive "first" post
WillyV Offline
#161 Posted:
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cacman wrote:
^^^ That's a helluva impressive "first" post


Lmao, agree. Seems he skipped the noob period.
gimbel Offline
#162 Posted:
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cacman wrote:
^^^ That's a helluva impressive "first" post

And never to be heard from again.

What do you use in your humidor, Romberry?
derfladnar Offline
#163 Posted:
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lets buy stock in kitty litter
dubleuhb Offline
#164 Posted:
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Holy buzzkill !!!
yardobeef Offline
#165 Posted:
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Ok, let's all agree to refer to crappy cigars as cat turds from now on.
Numismaniac Offline
#166 Posted:
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Thanks, Romberry, I am still glad I got these beads coming, and thankful for the work you put in Gimbel. I will admit though, now I will be able to experiment some over the next few years. Ammonia and Hydrocarbons do eventually "infect" and yellow the silica, which you have to replace. I've been talking to a supplier of one of these beads and he admitted to a particular salt mixture that is applied to the beads to adjust the Rh "set". Maybe he is telling the truth or not, who knows. Some of these salts would not be good to ingest, breathe, etc........02c more to add in. Hey , after all we are putting a rolled tube of fermented and aged tobacco leaves in our mouth lighting up the other end with fire and puffing the smoke into our mouth, nose, and maybe lungs, take a deep breath it will all be ok.
Here's a good deal

http://www.wayfair.com/Ultra-Pet-Crystal-Clear-Litter-Pearls-10070-10074-QCS1007.html
cacman Offline
#167 Posted:
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Numismaniac wrote:
http://www.wayfair.com/Ultra-Pet-Crystal-Clear-Litter-Pearls-10070-10074-QCS1007.html

I know a lot of people do it, and it's not really "littler" until a cat defecates on it but... I still can't put kitty little in my humidor.
kombat96 Offline
#168 Posted:
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Or look for bulk sicila gel/beads
Numismaniac Offline
#169 Posted:
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^Basically that is what the KL is just not conditioned. At least so far that is all I can determine. I have some Chemistry background, have done my share of lab work, Chemistry is Chemistry, just like The Laws of Physics, except for bad actors or poor quality/safety standards, the product remains the same. This could be the main concern, but since I will be using them passively, and not have it hanging over the cigars or shaking any dust around, I am not too concerned. Not working, I will have time for a few experiments and to be diligent with a few colleagues. If you would like more details PM me we already jacked this thread enough.
Gimbel, again I am grateful for your work, thanks again!
gimbel Offline
#170 Posted:
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Scheduled delivery to my door is the 27th. I'll do my best to get everything back out the same week.
BDS12 Offline
#171 Posted:
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Sounds good to me !!

Thanks again!
njstone Offline
#172 Posted:
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These arguments are nothing new ... OF COURSE they are just silica beads! But that doesn't mean all silica beads are exactly the same.

Here's what no one has been able to tell me: what rH does the kitty litter hold at, and is it always the same (i.e. from box to box)?

The point (to me) of something like HF beads is that you can get 60%, 65%, etc etc. Even if kitty litter beads do hold rH just as well (which I've been told they do), you're still stuck with whatever rH they are preconditioned to hold. Cheaper, but no customization.

And BTW, you DON"T have to replace them when they yellow. If you hate the color yellow, of course you can replace them if you want, but it doesn't mean they're "bad" or anyway. Though if you're using kitty litter an the beads turn yellow ... you might have a problem!
nickatnite Offline
#173 Posted:
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cacman wrote:
I know a lot of people do it, and it's not really "littler" until a cat defecates on it but... I still can't put kitty little in my humidor.



^^^^^^ what he said
cacman Offline
#174 Posted:
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How's it working out bro?
gimbel Offline
#175 Posted:
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Today is packing day. So long as I have an address for everyone, there will be a few emails going out, all of the orders will ship Monday.

Thank you all for being so patient through this long, drawn out group buy.
Numismaniac Offline
#176 Posted:
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No thank you Sir, and I wish I lived closer I would be glad to help with all that work,
DBIII Offline
#177 Posted:
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SWEET! Daddy needs some new beads!
BDS12 Offline
#178 Posted:
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DBIII wrote:
SWEET! Daddy needs some new beads!


Why, do the old ones smell like chit?LOL
DBIII Offline
#179 Posted:
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LMAO! yes, and getting a weird brown stain that won't come off on em.
gimbel Offline
#180 Posted:
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34 pounds of beads ready to go. Waiting to hear back on three addresses.

The PO is going to hate me tomorrow.
mikey1597 Offline
#181 Posted:
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I disagree, we support them too much. How many hours did you put in this project?
gimbel Offline
#182 Posted:
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mikey1597 wrote:
I disagree, we support them too much. How many hours did you put in this project?

I don't even wanna think about it.

Oh, and there are 35 pounds plus 5 tubes packed. It's kinda funny, I forgot to get my own pound LOL Good thing I still have one left packed away.
gimbel Offline
#183 Posted:
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Every package except two went out today. Still waiting on snailers for them. Yes, emails have been sent.
Nicar Offline
#184 Posted:
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gimbel wrote:
Every package except two went out today. Still waiting on snailers for them. Yes, emails have been sent.



Awesome... guess I should send you something in a few weeks!
TIGERCDW Offline
#185 Posted:
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Did not get an e-mail.

TIGER
DBIII Offline
#186 Posted:
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neither did I.

DBIII
t33bone Offline
#187 Posted:
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No email here
leftyposthole Offline
#188 Posted:
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no email here either
Nicar Offline
#189 Posted:
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Think he meant he sent emails for the 2 addys he needed


Tards
fbcoacho Offline
#190 Posted:
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ems
DBIII Offline
#191 Posted:
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Nicar wrote:
Think he meant he sent emails for the 2 addys he needed


Tards


LMAO, your prolly right Roberto. d'oh!
gimbel Offline
#192 Posted:
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Probably
leftyposthole Offline
#193 Posted:
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glad we got nicar around to keep us tards lined out
cacman Offline
#194 Posted:
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Nicar wrote:
Think he meant he sent emails for the 2 addys he needed


Tards

Sherlock...
Nicar Offline
#195 Posted:
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Just didnt want to see 20 people say "i didnt get an email"

TIGERCDW Offline
#196 Posted:
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Still no e-mail here.

TIGER
05busa Offline
#197 Posted:
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HeHe
gimbel Offline
#198 Posted:
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TIGERCDW wrote:
Still no e-mail here.

TIGER

No beads for you!
TIGERCDW Offline
#199 Posted:
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gimbel wrote:
No beads for you!



...and why is this.Are you the bead Nazi?

TIGER
gimbel Offline
#200 Posted:
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At least I'm not anal retentive LOL
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