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Democratic Presidents have a better record on economic growth.
FuzzNJ Offline
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"The Democrat administrations achieved the three fastest rates of growth and four of the top five on that ranking. Real GDP advanced at an annualized rate of 5.2% during the Kennedy years, 5.1% during the Johnson years, and 3.6% when the Clinton administration was in power. GDP rose 3.5% per annum in the Reagan years despite a severe recession in 1981-2. Growth averaged a respectable 3.2% per annum when the Carter administration governed — and yes, some people no doubt were better off in 1980 than 1976 — and the Nixon years experienced growth of 3.0% per annum. In none of these presidential periods was growth substantially less than the 3.4% average pace for the whole second half of the 20th century.

Both Bush presidential periods and the Ford years experienced growth of barely more than 2.0%. The growth rate in the first Bush presidency was 2.1%, identical to the performance of the Ford Administration. The current Bush administration has achieved marginally faster growth of 2.3% per annum. However, that pace has also been substantially less than the long-term trend. From several respects, the current administration’s performance is puzzling, worrisome, and instructive. It is puzzling because a 7.5-year period will be less sharply influenced by a recession than an administration with a shorter lifespan like Ford’s and because fiscal policy and monetary policy were loose. Also, productivity was strong during this period. It is worrisome because this is the most recent presidential observation and might reflect a stochastic downshift in what the United States can expect in long-term average growth. It is also worrisome because the banking crisis and the drag from the implementation of solutions to the current problem suggest that worse times may lie ahead. Finally, it is instructive in discrediting the theory that war is good for growth. Sometimes that has been unquestionably true. World War II helped America escape the depression, and growth was very buoyant when the Vietnam War was fought in the 1960′s. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and tightening of homeland security have not given a discernible lift to growth."

Weird huh? It's almost like most of what Republicans say is exactly the opposite of the truth.
DrMaddVibe Offline
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Weird huh? It's almost like most of what Republicans say is exactly the opposite of the truth.



More sadness on your part.

Ok...so in your world it's the President that runs everything and congress and senate are just holding meetings.

No?

Please elaborate on your point more because I think you're missing the "bigger picture"!
bloody spaniard Offline
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I think I feel a 98.2% outrage coming on...Think


Having said that my best business years WERE under Slick Willy... and his Republican-controlled congress. (cough cough)
DrMaddVibe Offline
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bloody spaniard wrote:
I think I feel a 98.2% outrage coming on...Think


Having said that my best business years WERE under Slick Willy... and his Republican-controlled congress. (cough cough)



Damn it...go showing him the trump card...don't ya know I just love yanking the rug out from Snickerdoodles? You took away the suspense of this post. Damn you.whip
FuzzNJ Offline
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Damn it...go showing him the trump card...don't ya know I just love yanking the rug out from Snickerdoodles? You took away the suspense of this post. Damn you.whip



You think I didn't expect that response?

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_8UVGnCIfOVk/TAcUw8yHzsI/AAAAAAAAAJc/PWN-aOJ1R3A/s1600/Figure_2.bmp

As Perry would say, 'Oops'.
bloody spaniard Offline
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LOL!!@ Mr. McFeely! Fuzz's best days may have been under FDR. He posts younger than he looks.

Btw, where'd you get that "snickerdoodles"? My ex used to call me that back in the day... till she discovered more descriptive terms of endearment.Love
bloody spaniard Offline
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FuzzNJ wrote:
You think I didn't expect that response?
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_8UVGnCIfOVk/TAcUw8yHzsI/AAAAAAAAAJc/PWN-aOJ1R3A/s1600/Figure_2.bmp
As Perry would say, 'Oops'.




Sorry to disagree, Fuzz, but there's the reality which actually occurred to myself and most of my colleagues during the 90's and your blog-generated bar chart which I don't buy. Anybody can use pweeddy colors but we've got the W2s' s to prove it.
DrMaddVibe Offline
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bloody spaniard wrote:
Btw, where'd you get that "snickerdoodles"?Love



From his "I bake cookies" posts.
DrMaddVibe Offline
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Oh please share the "website" you're getting this info from!

***holding back laughter***

Herfing
bloody spaniard Offline
#10 Posted:
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Fuzz bakes cookies??? Oh my... (in my best Sulu)
DrMaddVibe Offline
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bloody spaniard wrote:
Fuzz bakes cookies??? Oh my... (in my best Sulu)



I smell an avatar change a'comin'!whip
HockeyDad Offline
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This should be added to my "More Reasons to Like Obama" thread.
DrMaddVibe Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
This should be added to my "More Reasons to Like Obama" thread.



Well, some people's kids just feel the need to be "special" and create "Look at me...I'm an Attention Whore" threads all the time!

The rest of us try to run a neat and tidy place around here.
teedubbya Offline
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I thought all the worlds problems are Obama's fault? Are we suggesting congress has something to do with it too? What's next? Suggesting we can not just hit a reset button and ignore the Bush years? Maybe Bush is still to blame for much of our ills? LOL no way. It's all Obama. I heard he was really from Kenya.
DrMaddVibe Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
I thought all the worlds problems are Obama's fault? Are we suggesting congress has something to do with it too? What's next? Suggesting we can not just hit a reset button and ignore the Bush years? Maybe Bush is still to blame for much of our ills? LOL no way. It's all Obama.



We need to pass legislation so we can find out what's in it!horse
teedubbya Offline
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
We need to pass legislation so we can find out what's in it!horse


Stupid statement by the EX speaker of the house.
DrMaddVibe Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
Stupid statement by the EX speaker of the house.



It's a sign of what's so damn wrong with our sitting President!
teedubbya Offline
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
It's a sign of what's so damn wrong with our sitting President!



LOL if you say so. I am always amused that when someone is so crappy (as Obama is) the stretch people will make when they don't need to. Pelosi stands on her own. She was just as much an idiot before him as after him.

I actually agree with your intial post about drawing the conclusions Fuzz suggests without considering the craphole we know as congress. I'm just suggesting it goes both ways and you can't be selective about it.

Being a Paul supporter I suspect you really know that and have no love for either party but that would get in the way of bustin fuzzie's balls. Which I totally understand since he hates the baby jesus and stuff.
bloody spaniard Offline
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A couple of things opened it up for the small business community during Slick's admin:

1. Internets invented by Al "Ozone for brains" Gore which made intros, marketing & registration of small businesses much easier;
2. Introduction of credit cards for Government purchasing (have to give Ozone legit credit for this one) with the large corporate sector following suit- this eliminated tons of paperwork & made the bidding/buying process easier & fairer;
3. Rampant open bidding on all sorts of Government AND Corporate contracts (large or small) open to EVERYONE- blanket agreements soon to follow based on performance.


NOW? Rampant cronyism (longterm awards to favored sources) & no-compete contracts awarded to large corporations and favored "victimized" classes- exacerbated by bureaucratic nepotism (note the Bush/Kennedy/Cuomo, etc dynasties).

RIP the free market. Viva Obama! Viva Amerika!
Keep the pay per views, porn, sports, & fried foods a'coming so that we remain oblivious.Applause
HockeyDad Offline
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Fortunately Baby Jesus still loves him!
HockeyDad Offline
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bloody spaniard wrote:

NOW? Rampant cronyism (longterm awards to favored sources) & no-compete contracts awarded to large corporations and favored "victimized" classes- exacerbated by bureaucratic nepotism



If you became a member of a "victimized" class you could then be under the Obama Cone of Protection!

If you're gonna feed from the government trough, you gotta play the game.
bloody spaniard Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
If you became a member of a "victimized" class you could then be under the Obama Cone of Protection!
If you're gonna feed from the government trough, you gotta play the game.



What I said above applies to both Government AND Corporate. They are both equally corrupt & have their own "cones of protection". The avaricious corporate belly feeds at the Government trough to the point of vomiting. Then the victimized get first dibs on the larger corporate/government vomited chunks. The little business sops up the rest with stale bread. Come to think of it- everybody wins!!Think Laugh
DrMaddVibe Offline
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bloody spaniard wrote:
Come to think of it- everybody wins!!Think Laugh



See...glass half-full...no wait...erGonz
DrMaddVibe Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
Being a Paul supporter I suspect you really know that and have no love for either party but that would get in the way of bustin fuzzie's balls. Which I totally understand since he hates the baby jesus and stuff.



Who...Me?

Angel Angel Angel
bloody spaniard Offline
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
See...glass half-full...no wait...erGonz



LMAO! Damn, I love a good laugh.
I know, I know... I should look in the mirror more often.Mad
DrMaddVibe Offline
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bloody spaniard wrote:
LMAO! Damn, I love a good laugh.
I know, I know... I should look in the mirror more often.Mad



See that's why I hang around here. Who the hell needs to go to comedy clubs for this kinda stuff?

I think I might have a stand up gig with all the material I've thrown down...hell me and Phil Hendrie have prolly got 5 full sitcoms worth of material between the both of us!

Don't worry...I have just as little a chance as he does of making it on sitcome tv!!!!

Frying pan Frying pan Frying pan


Oh well, gotta keep on movin'...thread to thread...serpentine!!!
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FuzzNJ wrote:
You think I didn't expect that response?

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_8UVGnCIfOVk/TAcUw8yHzsI/AAAAAAAAAJc/PWN-aOJ1R3A/s1600/Figure_2.bmp

As Perry would say, 'Oops'.



Typical Fuzz - lies of omission.

First, both Truman and Clinton only has a Republican congress through PART of their administrations. The first two years of the Clinton regime had Democrats in virtual total control of Congress. it got so bad that they were thrown out of power in the midderm elections.

This coincides with Truman, whose policies were so bad - price-fixing and rationing - that the Democrats were thrown out in a electoral tidal wave. It was the Republican numerical advantage that halted Truman's enforcement of FDR's "new deal" extensions that eventuall turned around the US economy, and created the 1950s boom.

Fuzz, it is nice that you're still spewing your innane Democrat talking points. It would be really nice for one if you really knew what you were talking about...
teedubbya Offline
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jpotts wrote:
Typical Fuzz - lies of omission.

First, both Truman and Clinton only has a Republican congress through PART of their administrations. The first two years of the Clinton regime had Democrats in virtual total control of Congress. it got so bad that they were thrown out of power in the midderm elections.

This coincides with Truman, whose policies were so bad - price-fixing and rationing - that the Democrats were thrown out in a electoral tidal wave. It was the Republican numerical advantage that halted Truman's enforcement of FDR's "new deal" extensions that eventuall turned around the US economy, and created the 1950s boom.

Fuzz, it is nice that you're still spewing your innane Democrat talking points. It would be really nice for one if you really knew what you were talking about...



your apology is accepted.
jpotts Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
your apology is accepted.

LOL!
FuzzNJ Offline
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jpotts wrote:
Typical Fuzz - lies of omission.

First, both Truman and Clinton only has a Republican congress through PART of their administrations. The first two years of the Clinton regime had Democrats in virtual total control of Congress. it got so bad that they were thrown out of power in the midderm elections.

This coincides with Truman, whose policies were so bad - price-fixing and rationing - that the Democrats were thrown out in a electoral tidal wave. It was the Republican numerical advantage that halted Truman's enforcement of FDR's "new deal" extensions that eventuall turned around the US economy, and created the 1950s boom.

Fuzz, it is nice that you're still spewing your innane Democrat talking points. It would be really nice for one if you really knew what you were talking about...



Let me make sure I got this right. In order to determine which party's policies work better for the economy we must measure grown against who controls Congress? Both houses, or just the House? The President means nothing?

The graph you referred to in your post, using government statistics and numbers show that you are wrong, again, even though I'm inane and stupid and don't know what I'm talking about.

I've had like 3 comments on my grammar and spelling lately, is this line of criticism back because there are at least 4 errors in your post. I don't care really, I understood it, unlike Tail the other day.
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Let me make sure I got this right. In order to determine which party's policies work better for the economy we must measure grown against who controls Congress? Both houses, or just the House? The President means nothing?

The graph you referred to in your post, using government statistics and numbers show that you are wrong, again, even though I'm inane and stupid and don't know what I'm talking about.

I've had like 3 comments on my grammar and spelling lately, is this line of criticism back because there are at least 4 errors in your post. I don't care really, I understood it, unlike Tail the other day.



Waterhead

I promise not to comment on your spelling or grammar.

Ron
Rclay Offline
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SuperFuzz,

Next time you go in for programming tell the dailykos that we don't cotton to long overly verbose propagandized fictives. Use bullet points, small pedestrian words, perhaps pictures....they help.


Is Fuzz a reference to your profession?
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He's a kept man he doesn't work.
MACS Offline
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Rclay wrote:
SuperFuzz,

Next time you go in for programming tell the dailykos that we don't cotton to long overly verbose propagandized fictives. Use bullet points, small pedestrian words, perhaps pictures....they help.


Is Fuzz a reference to your profession?


One should eschew grandiose verbiage when diminutive words would suffice.
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MACS wrote:
One should eschew grandiose verbiage when diminutive words would suffice.



Lookie who traipses in here with all their fancy schoolin'?

Frying pan Frying pan Frying pan
Rclay Offline
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MACS- Whilst thou be a dankish beef-witted lewdster.

bloody spaniard Offline
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Rclay wrote:
SuperFuzz,
Next time you go in for programming tell the dailykos that we don't cotton to long overly verbose propagandized fictives. Use bullet points, small pedestrian words, perhaps pictures....they help.
Is Fuzz a reference to your profession?




Yes, Virginia, some cbidders are taking creative writing and/or marketing courses replete with fancy buzz words at night school.
Applause

Btw, Rclay, I've asked him about the "fuzz" and he said no... other than what's on his chin. (j/k)
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BS- blah blah blah- its just being specific as opposed to overly emotional. Plus I love a good ideological boxing match
DrMaddVibe Offline
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Rclay wrote:
BS- blah blah blah- its just being specific as opposed to overly emotional. Plus I love a good ideological boxing match



I love long walks on the beach at dusk, poking jellyfish and bee's nests with sticks and posting here.Wub
Rclay Offline
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DMV- you da man. we've had a few discussions before and we always seem to be on the same page. Although I use gasoline or M80s on bee's nests.
MACS Offline
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Rclay wrote:
DMV- you da man. we've had a few discussions before and we always seem to be on the same page. Although I use gasoline or M80s on bee's nests.


BB guns... you can harass them from a safe distance. Anxious
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Thank You President Obama:

Until you I took America's greatness for granted.
Until you I tended to take for granted the achievements and sacrifices of Lincoln/Washington
Until you I never participated in politics.
Until you I just figured everyone loved America though we had different opinions.
Until you, jobs and the economy were fine as long as I was working.
Until you, I had respect for the office of President.
Until you, I never worried that we would over come any obstacle.
Until you, never again....See you in November.
Rclay Offline
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MACS wrote:
BB guns... you can harass them from a safe distance. Anxious




mmmmmm....BB guns. I got one when I was 6 or 7. It was so difficult to pump I had to have good aim or a really sore arm.
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It's fascinating how conservatives can convince people of something when the facts show the complete opposite.
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FuzzNJ wrote:
It's fascinating how conservatives can convince people of something when the facts show the complete opposite.




It's fascinating how liberals can convince people of something when facts show the complete opposite.
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I still remember the 80's & 90's as the "roaring 20's" compared to what we've had over the past decade.
Welcome to Obamaville, folks. Take your place in the soup line and kindly shut up.
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