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Wow! Warren Buffett's secretary is pretty darn rich
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WOW! Warren Buffett’s Secretary is Pretty Darn Rich…

By Paul Roderick Gregory, Forbes

Warren Buffet’s secretary, Debbie Bosanek, served as a stage prop for President Obama’s State of the Union speech. She was the President’s chief display of the alleged unfairness of our tax system – a little person paying a higher tax rate than her billionaire boss.
Bosanek’s prominent role in Obama’s “fairness” campaign piqued my curiosity, and I imagine the curiosity of others. How much does her boss pay this downtrodden woman? So far, no one has volunteered this information.

We can get an approximate answer by consulting IRS data on tax rates by adjusted gross income, which would approximate her salary, assuming she does not have significant dividend, interest or capital-gains income (like her boss). I assume Buffet keeps her too busy for her to hold a second job. I also do not know if she is married and filing jointly. If so, it is deceptive for Obama to use her as an example. The higher rate may be due to her husband’s income. So I assume the tax rate Obama refers to is from her own earnings.

Insofar as Buffet (like Mitt Romney) earns income primarily from capital gains, which are taxed at 15 percent (and according to Obama need to be raised for reasons of fairness), we need to determine how much income a taxpayer like Bosanek must earn in order to pay an average tax rate above fifteen percent. This is easy to do.

The IRS publishes detailed tax tables by income level. The latest results are for 2009. They show that taxpayers earning an adjusted gross income between $100,000 and $200,000 pay an average rate of twelve percent. This is below Buffet’s rate; so she must earn more than that. Taxpayers earning adjusted gross incomes of $200,000 to $500,000, pay an average tax rate of nineteen percent. Therefore Buffet must pay Debbie Bosanke a salary above two hundred thousand.

http://nation.foxnews.com/warrenn-buffett/2012/01/25/wow-warren-buffett-s-secretary-pretty-darn-rich



Btw, I've seen/heard what some executive secretaries have made around this area working for executives/business owners considerably less "executive" than Warren Buffett. Some get paid very well. Poor little lady slaving behind the front desk... For that kind of "jack" I'll gladly be Warren Buffett's secretary.

Fuzz, you can pass this along to your friends...or just the 99% of them.
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daveincincy wrote:
WOW! Warren Buffett’s Secretary is Pretty Darn Rich…

By Paul Roderick Gregory, Forbes

Warren Buffet’s secretary, Debbie Bosanek, served as a stage prop for President Obama’s State of the Union speech. She was the President’s chief display of the alleged unfairness of our tax system – a little person paying a higher tax rate than her billionaire boss.
Bosanek’s prominent role in Obama’s “fairness” campaign piqued my curiosity, and I imagine the curiosity of others. How much does her boss pay this downtrodden woman? So far, no one has volunteered this information.

We can get an approximate answer by consulting IRS data on tax rates by adjusted gross income, which would approximate her salary, assuming she does not have significant dividend, interest or capital-gains income (like her boss). I assume Buffet keeps her too busy for her to hold a second job. I also do not know if she is married and filing jointly. If so, it is deceptive for Obama to use her as an example. The higher rate may be due to her husband’s income. So I assume the tax rate Obama refers to is from her own earnings.

Insofar as Buffet (like Mitt Romney) earns income primarily from capital gains, which are taxed at 15 percent (and according to Obama need to be raised for reasons of fairness), we need to determine how much income a taxpayer like Bosanek must earn in order to pay an average tax rate above fifteen percent. This is easy to do.

The IRS publishes detailed tax tables by income level. The latest results are for 2009. They show that taxpayers earning an adjusted gross income between $100,000 and $200,000 pay an average rate of twelve percent. This is below Buffet’s rate; so she must earn more than that. Taxpayers earning adjusted gross incomes of $200,000 to $500,000, pay an average tax rate of nineteen percent. Therefore Buffet must pay Debbie Bosanke a salary above two hundred thousand.

http://nation.foxnews.com/warrenn-buffett/2012/01/25/wow-warren-buffett-s-secretary-pretty-darn-rich


The thing that is conveniently left out by this article that changes the entire calculation is she earns a salary and has to pay all the witholding taxes, SS etc from her paycheck up to like 105k if I remember right. The claim that she pays a higher rate than Buffet is not just federal income taxes, it's all the taxes someone on salary pays.

Poor little lady slaving behind the front desk... For that kind of "jack" I'll gladly be Warren Buffett's secretary.

Fuzz, you can pass this along to your friends...or just the 99% of them.

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PWN3D



OUTRAGE!!!
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Ha! What happened to my post?

Oh well, let me try to recreate it.

The major factor that this conveniently left out were the taxes a salaried worker pays, payroll taxes like SS, FICA etc. that have to be paid up to I think it's 105k if I remember correctly.

The claim that she pays a higher rate in taxes is not just based on federal income taxes, but all the taxes that people in this income range must pay.
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When BO started his class warfare train and they started hawking this bs story like a two bit whore at a bus stop they claimed she made 65k. Don't know if he increased that due to comments that were being made publicly about how he was underpaying her.


Hope she at least got some food stamps left on the night stand when Soetoro was done with her after his SOTU campaign speech.
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ZRX1200 wrote:
When BO started his class warfare train and they started hawking this bs story like a two bit whore at a bus stop they claimed she made 65k. Don't know if he increased that do to comments that were being made publicly about how he was underpaying her.

Hope she at least got some food stamps left on the night stand when Soetoro was done with her after the SOTU campaign speech.




Son, I can't say that I fully understood this post but your general tone made me LMAO! Applause
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Ha! What happened to my post?

Oh well, let me try to recreate it.

The major factor that this conveniently left out were the taxes a salaried worker pays, payroll taxes like SS, FICA etc. that have to be paid up to I think it's 105k if I remember correctly.

The claim that she pays a higher rate in taxes is not just based on federal income taxes, but all the taxes that people in this income range must pay.


Then lower the friggin taxes on what salaried people (you and I) make!

...is the lightbulb over your head turning on yet?

Yet Obama (and his supporters) want to go after the small fraction of people who actually make their living off of capital gains. d'oh!
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Ha! What happened to my post?

Oh well, let me try to recreate it.

The major factor that this conveniently left out were the taxes a salaried worker pays, payroll taxes like SS, FICA etc. that have to be paid up to I think it's 105k if I remember correctly.

The claim that she pays a higher rate in taxes is not just based on federal income taxes, but all the taxes that people in this income range must pay.


Um Mitt paid $29,152 into Social Security and Medicare in 2010. Unlike the secretary he paid for the full 15.3% on his earnings whereas the secretary paid only 7.65%.
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daveincincy wrote:
Then lower the friggin taxes on what salaried people (you and I) make!

...is the lightbulb over your head turning on yet?

Yet Obama (and his supporters) want to go after the small fraction of people who actually make their living off of capital gains. d'oh!



BINGO !!!!
We have a winner.
The problem is not that some taxes are too low.........it is that other taxes are too high!
And cut gubment spending to live within our means. What a shocking concept.

fog
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ZRX1200 wrote:
When BO started his class warfare train and they started hawking this bs story like a two bit whore at a bus stop they claimed she made 65k. Don't know if he increased that due to comments that were being made publicly about how he was underpaying her.


Hope she at least got some food stamps left on the night stand when Soetoro was done with her after his SOTU campaign speech.


65k for a secretary in Nebraska is underpaying her? The average income in Nebraska is under 25k a year, over 2k less than the national average.

The increase in food stamp use is double in the military compared to the general public and that's a f'in disgrace.
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And who's the CEO?
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daveincincy wrote:
Then lower the friggin taxes on what salaried people (you and I) make!

...is the lightbulb over your head turning on yet?

Yet Obama (and his supporters) want to go after the small fraction of people who actually make their living off of capital gains. d'oh!


And that's what I was waiting for, the standard last argument made by those who take your position.

Great then! Lower all of it. Now tell me how that will help the situation we are in?

Your response 'Just cut spending enough to offset all of it'. Ok, when where how much and what result will that have on our country and its economy?

All you (people on your side of the argument) have are slogans and no solutions. A more balanced approach, a more equitable approach is the only thing that will work.

Is the lightbulb over your head turning on yet? (by the way, what's with the haughty tone?)
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And who's the CEO?


You talking about the President? Yeah, proposed an increase in military pay.
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Here's a nicely timed piece from bloomberg I just found. Enjoy and learn.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-01-26/romney-tax-break-rejected-as-welfare-for-rich-in-investor-poll.html

Most international investors say a tax break allowing private equity and hedge-fund executives to pay lower tax rates than many average Americans isn’t warranted, according to a Bloomberg survey.

As the release of Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney’s 2010 tax return heats up debate over a 15 percent top rate on so-called carried interest, two-thirds of those surveyed in the Bloomberg Global Poll say the tax break is unjustified. The lower levy helped Romney, former head of Bain Capital LLC, pay an effective rate of 13.9 percent on $21.6 million of income, when the top income tax rate is 35 percent.

Jonathan Sadowsky, chief investment officer at Vaca Creek Asset Management LLC in San Francisco, said he favors eliminating the break because he’s concerned about government deficit spending.

“I’m extremely worried about the debt,” he said. “Somewhere down the line, people are going to stop lending us money.”

About $7.4 million, more than one-third of Romney’s 2010 income, was from carried interest, which is the share of profits that make up most of the compensation for partners in private equity firms, hedge funds and real estate developments. Those fees are taxed as capital gains rather than ordinary income.

Sixty-six percent of poll respondents worldwide said the break isn’t justified, compared with 21 percent who said it is and 13 percent who said they had “no idea.” Among those living in the U.S., 67 percent said the lower rate isn’t justified, versus 27 percent who said it is. The Jan. 23-24 poll of 1,209 investors, analysts and traders from around the world has a margin of error of plus or minus 2.8 percentage points.
Economic Fairness

The survey bolsters the position of Democrats who have pushed for years to eliminate the special treatment of carried interest. Romney’s use of the break has renewed scrutiny as President Barack Obama makes economic fairness a theme in his re-election campaign and studies show that income inequality has grown dramatically over the past quarter-century.

Democrats have won high-profile allies on the issue, including billionaire Warren Buffett, Blackstone Group LP co- founder Pete Peterson and New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg, founder and majority owner of Bloomberg News parent Bloomberg LP. Obama invited Buffett’s secretary to the Jan. 24 State of the Union address to highlight the Berkshire Hathaway Inc. (BRK/A) chairman’s comments that he shouldn’t pay a lower tax rate than his employees.
Buffett Rule

In the State of the Union speech, Obama outlined a so- called Buffett Rule that would require people making $1 million or more to pay at least 30 percent in taxes.

Democrats are pushing to use repeal of special treatment for carried interest to help finance a payroll-tax break that expires at the end of next month as well as to prevent $1 trillion in automatic spending cuts set to begin taking effect at the end of the year. Republicans have blocked moves to raise the carried-interest rate, saying it will hurt the recovering economy.

Taxing carried interest as ordinary income would produce about $22 billion over a decade, according to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office.

Gerhard Summerer, president of DZ Financial Markets LLC in New York, said the lower rate is nothing more than “welfare for the rich,” saying the “average American citizen” gets no such breaks. “No one is advocating confiscating anyone’s possessions, but the fair taxation of income,” he said.

The revenue lost to the Treasury makes it more likely that lawmakers, under pressure to reduce the deficit, will have to cut services to lower-income Americans, said Sadowsky.
‘Misallocation of Capital’

“Who pays for that loss of revenue now that the government is short?” Sadowsky said. “Yup, the lower and middle class. So we have a misallocation of capital and resources from the poor and middle class to the rich.”

The carried interest debate is getting mixed up with an “entirely different” issue of “extremely wealthy people” who are “paying extremely low tax rates, which doesn’t exactly sit too well with a struggling economy,” said Andrew Paolillo, a portfolio manager at Rocky Hill Advisors Inc. in Peabody, Massachusetts, who defended the lower tax rate.

“Carried interest from an investment in a fund is more similar to simply buying shares of a stock than receiving a salary,” he said in an e-mail. “It is earning money from money previously invested, instead of earning money for services rendered.”
‘Scream Bloody Murder’

Christian Thwaites, president and chief executive officer of Sentinel Investments in Montpelier, Vermont, scoffed at complaints that a tax increase would be a blow to the private- equity industry.

“I’m sure they’d scream bloody murder and say this is the end of the world, but I just can’t believe it,” said Thwaites. “There’s plenty of reasons to be in private equity other than just the fact that you get a 20 percent tax improvement.” There are “still going to be pretty decent returns available” even if the tax rate is raised, he said.

Others said they don’t think it makes sense to treat carried interest as anything other than income subject to regular rates.

“It is used to pay bonuses to general partners, and I see no reason why bonuses should not be treated as income,” said Don Lindsey, chief investment officer for George Washington University in Washington.

John Boland, co-founder of Maple Capital Management in Montpelier, Vermont, said “if it looks like a duck and quacks, calling it a chicken does not change the fact it is duck, to paraphrase Ronald Reagan.”

HockeyDad Offline
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Sounds like we need a flat tax.

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Two points I will make Fuzz. The difference in the tax collection is only estimated to be 2.2 billion a year if you change the law. However, democrats make it sound as if the entire deficit can be fixed by taxing the rich more. Second, I will concede that carried interest should be taxed at ordinary income.
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Also, do all Nebraskans work for one of the richest men in the world?
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Are you trying to elevate a Flyover state to something that it is not?

You know they have laws against that...riight?
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Also, do all Nebraskans work for one of the richest men in the world?


Um, why do you think she's entitled to more of Buffet's money just because her boss is rich? She's already making more than 8 times as much as the average person in Nebraska according to the estimate here. Why do you expect hand outs from the rich?
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I expect the average Nebraskan has more than 8 times less responsibility. And he is leading this charge so Buffet deserves the criticism for being a cheap POS with his secretary when he wants everyone else to pay more taxes.
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ZRX1200 wrote:
I expect the average Nebraskan has more than 8 times less responsibility. And he is leading this charge so Buffet deserves the criticism for being a cheap POS with his secretary when he wants everyone else to pay more taxes.


From someone who usually backs laissez-faire capitalism, that's freakin' hilarious. Joining the OWS movement? Your principles are pretty damn flexible here. I wonder how much the Koch brothers secretaries make? You should start a campaign to make sure rich people pay their employees a salary that reflects the boss's net worth. What % would you suggest? Your employer have people making more than you and you tell them that they are cheap POS for not paying you more? Those greedy employers, I feel for you man.

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Im doing my part to spur market growth for HD's pitchfork and torch sales .......



Koch brothers are paupers compared to the oracle from Omaha. He is a hypocrite. He makes all of his income from capitol gains yet he rails about income tax unfairness (in regards to this secretary tax bs).

People are worth what their able to get in return. Maybe she likes working for the tight wad or maybe she is a lousy employee I dunno. At least she earned her keep playing stooge prop.
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I would fire Buffet's secretary, replace her with a H-1B visa immigrant, strap a solar panel to her back, and get $100 million in guaranteed loans for a solar business start-up.
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Until Buffet's secretary releases her income tax returns, the whole thing is just liberal douchebaggery.
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^ genius.
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HockeyDad wrote:
I would fire Buffet's secretary, replace her with a H-1B visa immigrant, strap a solar panel to her back, and get $100 million in guaranteed loans for a solar business start-up.


+1 And call it SolarLinda!
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Koch brothers are paupers compared to the oracle from Omaha. He is a hypocrite. He makes all of his income from capitol gains yet he rails about income tax unfairness (in regards to this secretary tax bs).

People are worth what their able to get in return. Maybe she likes working for the tight wad or maybe she is a lousy employee I dunno. At least she earned her keep playing stooge prop.


Dude, you can't be serious about this. Your argument is not only ridiculous, it goes against your free market capitalism stance and brings in the cheapness of the wealthy. And paupers? wtf is wrong with you? If you can't see that your logic is obviously based on the political stands of which wealthy person we are talking about, it's obviously an argument based on pure emotion and not reality. Until you realize that there is no more continuing. It's like Newt, a low tax, small government, free enterprise Republican going after Romney for his income and taxes. Ridiculous.

Other than that, all is ok. Hope all is well.
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Oh I'm sorry did I argue that he should be forced to pay her more like he is arguing to force people to pay more taxes?

You can call me crazy all day you're not hurting my feelings. Your game of inserting words or implied thought has been well documented though.
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Oh I'm sorry did I argue that he should be forced to pay her more like he is arguing to force people to pay more taxes?

You can call me crazy all day you're not hurting my feelings. Your game of inserting words or implied thought has been well documented though.



bwahahaha. No one brought up force of any kind, not you, not me. That looks like an inserted word because I never made that argument. It has nothing to do with the discussion of public policy in any way. Yes, you must pay your taxes or face proscecution. And yes the salary of a secretary is usually determined by market forces. In this case it's the market times at least a factor of 8 and you are saying the boss is a cheapskate pos, but the Koch brothers with a net worth 11 billion dollars MORE than Buffet don't have to pay their secretary more.

If your logic is a result of that nice green sticky bud in your state, please send me some. I could use a good coma.
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Sometimes it's just too easy. Right Z?











Sarcasm
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Yes till the Koch bros make they're secretary a publicity stunt we wont be able to determine their level of POS tightwad... Taxes are at the point of a gun, hiring wadges are negotiated.
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Yes till the Koch bros make they're secretary a publicity stunt we wont be able to determine their level of POS tightwad... Taxes are at the point of a gun, hiring wadges are negotiated.



And? How does that further your argument that a rich person should pay his secretary more than a non rich person, forced or not? I'm not aware of that economic principle.
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I am truly curious.
How many of you have ever even had "your own" dedicated secretary?
Who here has run their very own business with employees?
How many of here have ever determined or negotiated an employee's compensation from your own gross business income from your very own business?
How many have ever even regularly bonus-ed a secretary employed by and paid by their employer?

I really want to know...

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rfenst wrote:
How many of you have ever even had "your own" dedicated secretary?

We weren't that big to qualify for a "secretary" that was a function that several wore the hat on.

rfenst wrote:
Who here has run their very own business with employees?

I have. 12 at the highest.

rfenst wrote:
How many of here have ever determined or negotiated an employee's compensation from your own gross business income from your very own business?

I paid my employees quite well and in the beginning they were making more than I was!

rfenst wrote:
How many have ever even regularly bonus-ed a secretary employed by and paid by their employer?

Can't say that I ever did that because we really didn't have a secretary.


Now you know.
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That sounds like the beginning of one of those "you can't talk about the military unless you've been in the military" arguments.

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HockeyDad wrote:
That sounds like the beginning of one of those "you can't talk about the military unless you've been in the military" arguments.




Think


The only thing that one would really be able to pull from actual service is just how messed up it really is/can be. If it's possible to screw up a PBJ...the military would find 5000 ways before 1st call!


Sooo...

That dog don't hunt!
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I've never bought into the military argument so I'm not sure sure why people need to state their qualifications to discuss Buffett's secretary since BO made it part of the national conversation.


The idea of a dedicated secretary is outdated so "no" to that one. I do sometimes have dedicated armed body guards.

Yes

Yes

No, see answer 1
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
We weren't that big to qualify for a "secretary" that was a function that several wore the hat on.


I have. 12 at the highest.


I paid my employees quite well and in the beginning they were making more than I was!


Can't say that I ever did that because we really didn't have a secretary.


Now you know.



Cool!
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HockeyDad wrote:
That sounds like the beginning of one of those "you can't talk about the military unless you've been in the military" arguments.



Nope. I am just curious.
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rfenst wrote:
Cool!



That said...I sold the business to my "right hand man" and it's still alive and well.

He decided to go in a different direction and shrank the operation. It was parttime for him as he maintained his brokers license and had contacts within several agencies. When Real Estate tanked he was able to keep bread on the table.
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HockeyDad wrote:
I've never bought into the military argument so I'm not sure sure why people need to state their qualifications to discuss Buffett's secretary since BO made it part of the national conversation.


The idea of a dedicated secretary is outdated so "no" to that one. I do sometimes have dedicated armed body guards.

Yes

Yes

No, see answer 1


On the off-chance that you misunderstood "dedicated" I used it to mean: a secretary who work's for one person only.
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Shared secretary pools are common, I have that access. Dedicated secretaries are an obsolete concept and rare. Personal assistant woukd be a more common title with a nuch more broad range of duties. I sometimes have these but usually for short durations. 2 wks or less.
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HockeyDad wrote:
Shared secretary pools are common, I have that access. Dedicated secretaries are an obsolete concept and rare. Personal assistant woukd be a more common title with a nuch more broad range of duties. I sometimes have these but usually for short durations. 2 wks or less.



My perspective is that of a secretary/personal assistant/quasi-paralegal/paralegal. Over 20 years, the only time I went without a secretary was for the first six months or so of having started out on my own. When I worked at the large law firm, I had up to six working for me at once (which was real bad news).

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No dedicated Secrtary,,,

I pay my sister to do my payables and recievables once a month,a CPA and Nurse Terrie ...

I handle all the rest..
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wheelrite wrote:
No dedicated Secrtary,,,

I pay my sister to do my payables and recievables once a month,a CPA and Nurse Terrie ...

I handle all the rest..


You have employees you depend upon to get thye work done too, don't you?
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rfenst wrote:
My perspective is that of a secretary/personal assistant/quasi-paralegal/paralegal. Over 20 years, the only time I went without a secretary was for the first six months or so of having started out on my own. When I worked at the large law firm, I had up to six working for me at once (which was real bad news).





Highly different than that of the non-law corporate world.
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I dont own the business but I run a subsidiary of a corporation that is handled like a seperate business. Counting me 20 employees on payroll.
I think the term secratary is misleading, A man of Buffets stature and obligation his secratary is probably half personal assistant and half Operations Manager.

I doubt she types letters and answers phones. I would even guess his "secratary" has an assistant.
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It sounds better to call her a secretary because it sounds like a lower position and accentuates the outrage being caused by the liberal douchebaggery stunt.
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HockeyDad wrote:
It sounds better to call her a secretary because it sounds like a lower position and accentuates the outrage being caused by the liberal douchebaggery stunt.


It sounds better to accuse someone of being too cheap to pay their secretary/assistant a lot of money because they are wealthy because it is sound conservative market driven thinking. People who do not want to pay more in taxes can pay their secretary minimum wage or nothing at all, but people who are wealthy and want a more fiscally prudent tax policy have to send all their money to the Fed and pay their secretary Tom Brady money.
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And my wife has a few secretaries, not sure exactly cause i don't care, but it's like 3-5 of them and they work for the department. Only 2 full time employees in that department, the rest are contractors.
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