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after the last election the lunatics are in charge of the asylum. 21% of the eligible voters voted for the republican coup d'état. about 20 % voted for the democrats. that leaves almost 60% of the eligible voters who have given up. nadar said there was no difference between the two parties and he is correct.
the democratic majority had a perfect opportunity to investigate bush and cheney and they did not. i suspected life as i have known it was ending when democrats let ashcroft in. clarance thomas, was and is a dumb ass who isn't as smart as judge judy, but he was needed to double scalia's vote and the way it played out, the race card, he got in.
but ashcroft's politics as a right wing bigot, and potentially a dangerous person, were known, and the democrats let him slide.
in the movie, "the nuremberg trials", at the end spencer tracy is talking to one of the convicted judges. the judge said to tracy, "i never thought it would go this far" refering to the totalitarianism that followed. tracy said "it went that far the first time you convicted a man you knew was innocent."

the christian right want's roe vs wade overturned at it will be. i am not in favor of abortions, but i can't get pregnant. i don't like the idea of people that belive in their idea of a supreme being and being able to dictate to others. i believe that was why the early settlers left england. of course it didn't bother them to kill all the people that lived here.

Rick, why do you think the democrats have abondoned their core values.

I think it is a lack of understanding of cause and effect, or the relationship of their social goals, and the root cause of the barriers to those goals. Therefore, they make comprimises which prevent the substantial realization of their goals.

The republicans actually have a better understanding of how to achieve their goals. The only problem with that is, I don't like their goals.

PMoreno349

name a democratic leader. some one with cajones. maybe nancy pelosi, who probably has more then the men.
the democrats are not compromising, they are rushing through everything bush wants, not even a token fight.
nadar is correct, we have a one party system.
hi-ho, hi-ho, it's off to war you go.

charlie

i believe the bush group wants war. i believe it is about oil. i believe we will start a war. i believe it should be called "vietnam part 2, the iraq connection."
the day after armistice day, remember when it was called that, and the reading of the names at the vietnam memorial, we should have begun to build another memorial.
when i visited the memorial, i was filled with a sadness for these young kids sent off to die by the bureaucracy, for nothing. children, average age 18, at least 1 or 2 years younger then the "korean conflict" and 2 or 3 years younger then ww11. we eat our young.
the children come home and the government does less and less to help the sick and wounded. there is no "gulf war syndrome" because if there were, it would cost a lot of money to treat the soldiers.
there was no "post traumatic stress syndrome" from the vietnam war. we just send kids from high school to a place they never heard of have them kill a bunch of strangers, including women and children, and when they return, they are suppossed to go to college as if nothing happenned that has changed their lives forever. tell me charlie, didn't you change?
i believe saddam hasen't bothered anyone since the gulf war and doesn't have any plans to. why should he? he has everything he wants. why would he want to start trouble that would come back to haunt him.
when toby and i first got married i told her jokingly, if there is a knock at the door in the middle of the night, they are not my kids, they are from a previous marriage. now, i listen for the knock.

eleltea

of all the responses, in all the world, that you could have made, why did you say clang instead of clank?

no.

Truthfully el,bells might clank if they were iron bells.Rick,does Nancy Pelosi have iron bells?Hmmmmmm...

Magnafide
a start perhaps.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A40763-2002Nov11.html

Hey Rick,

Everyone has a right to there own opinion, (you included), great country we live in. In Sadam's world, if your opinion is not his opinion, your dead. The man is evil and needs to be taken out. He is a modern day Hitler. If Sadam had Nukes he would, (out of his own ego and total disregard for life), use them. If someone plotted to kill your father, would you say you were going after him for the oil?

This is a dangerous world we live in, I disagree alot in us getting too involved in the worlds affairs, but, if someone doesn't and each country is left to do as they please, mans life on earth would be greatly shortened.

I voted for both Father and Son, and think the only regret that senior had about his administration was not finishing off Sadam then and having to wait for his son to do so. I assume the way you write, your not a republican. At least they have an agenda and to something right or wrong as it may be. Whereas, the former, Mr. Clinton, did a token bombing only to divert attention away from him and Monica.

We are stronger as a country, (united), then we have been in years. Would be nice if some people would get off the soap box and stand united with us.

tailgater

quote me where i said saddam is a swell guy. if you put words in my mouth, you defend them.

i don't know about other libs, but i am not in favor of abortions, but then i haven't been pregnant. because of your religious convictions, you believe a fetus is an unborn child and of course you are correct. what you fail to understand is that some religions find it acceptable to kill a girl child after it is born because the child will be a burden to the group.

the hypocrisy of the anti abortion folks, is they found no problem murdering some doctors. they are against any type of family planning that could prevent unwanted pregnancies. ru-486 is going to be illegal soon. abstinence, my ass. with all the hormones flying around in teenagers, why not supply them with information and condoms. let their own parents teach them abstinance or protection, not the government. the same government that determioned that ketchup was a vegatable.

i understand why you feel that the life of a fetus is the life of a child, but some people don't. this country will soon outlaw stemcell research. so what. so far israel has made some interesting discoveries that might cure cancer, and Alzheimer's disease and other countries will find cures for other diseases.

i'm sory to say this, but the christian right is not user friendly.

the helocopters don't bother me, but this does:

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20021115-70231.htm

CulleyJC52

i didn't mean to ignore you, i just had bigger fish to fry.
"In Sadam's world, if your opinion is not his opinion, your dead." i agree. but i don't think we live in his world. let his own people do something if they want. he isn't bothering anyone outside his sphere of influence.

" I assume the way you write, your not a republican."
or a democrat. is it really necessary to identify with one of those parties to have an opinion?

yes, my fellow poster, the republicans have an agenda. it appears the democrats have one also. i believe it is called get reelected so i don't have to get a real job.

Rick, maybe you didn't vote for Saddam as humanitarian of the year, but you did say: "i believe saddam hasen't bothered anyone since the gulf war and doesn't have any plans to. why should he? he has everything he wants. why would he want to start trouble that would come back to haunt him."

As for my religious views affecting my thoughts concerning the unborn, please know this:
I have always thought of abortions as wrong, but also as "none of my business" because I am male. Until that day just over 6 years ago when I saw the early ultrasonic photos of my first born. She was only 10 weeks old, but she was human. She was simply unborn, she was not a "choice". The choice would have had to come 10 weeks prior. Abortion is simply another way to dodge responsiblity, so it's no wonder that it is a Liberal issue.
My views are my own. I don't suggest that everybody felt the joy that I felt. But I don't see how desensitizing the nation about what abortion truly is can do any good. It is the stilling of a beating heart. That isn't a religious viewpoint, it's a fact.

Do not lump all anti-abortion views with those that are based on religion or hypocracy (doctor killers). You know damn well that MOST anti-abortion folks are against senseless murder.
It's OK to have a viewpoint on abortion that differs from mine. Just don't use lies, half-truths and innuendo to justify your point, unless you feel you have to.

My God Rick,

Which rock are you living under. We share this world, with all the little Sadams in it.

I have friends and associates in the Middle East, Europe, Asia, Australia, ect., When India and Pakistan was threatening to nuke each other, I was actively involve in their securities markets. The people I had contact with, were afraid for their lives. It was the few dumb-ass dictators and their agendas that was causing the threat, not them.

You must be a much younger man than I am, I too disagreed with Vietnam, but, not because we didn't belong there, but because we did a spinless half ass job. It was a waste of life with no beneficial result to mankind. With Sadam we have the tenacity to follow through, with the purpose to make this a safer world.

Maybe you should research other people in the past that shared your similar veiws. For example, Lindberg, he, like his father, (a congressman), was against our involvement in Foreign Wars, (it was none of our business), but, later after realizing how evil Hitler and his administration was, Lindberg spent the rest of his life trying to amend his error in thinking, with the american people.

I love cigars and my other hobby is world/american history. Maybe before you opinionate, you should do some research and develope a basis for you knee jerk thoughts. I have children and grand-children, I thus far have enjoy, (thanks to being an American), a good life, but, I fear for the world with the Sadams in it that they have to live with.

Regardless of our party affiliation, we are all Americans. Rick, is this not, (as Johnson said)the beauty of our "Great Society" ?? We are blessed, we are the envy of the world, because, we have what every common person in this world wishes they had.

CulleyJC52

"I too disagreed with Vietnam, but, not because we didn't belong there" why did we belong there?

"It was a waste of life with no beneficial result to mankind" 50,000 dead is not a waste it is a tragedy, a disgusting destruction of people, and young kids at that. the result to mankind is the continued proof that we are led by savages and we follow like sheep.

dob 8/15/32. am i the youngerest (see a different post re the "est".)?

RICKAMAVEN,
I would like to ask a question if I may...What are your thoughts on John F. Kennedy and the Cuban missile crisis?
I ask because Saddam Hussein is as real a threat to the United States, and the world, as those missiles were then.
We live in a "global" society now, and are not the only military power with global-reach capability. Saddam Hussein is developing this capability to deliver weapons of mass destruction as he sees fit. Do we wait until he can?
You mentioned that 50,000+ dead is a tragedy, and a disgusting destruction of people. I agree! That is why I will not sit still and let Hussein kill indiscriminately until he reaches, or surpasses 50,000. Do you advocate that it doesn't matter unless/until American sons and daughters are dying?

One of the articles you posted addressed a bill, which gives deefense agencies the authority to "eaves-drop" to obtain/confirm evidence. Do you really think they can't do this already???

I know that as a country we have many problems. Foremost in my mind is housing and feeding our homeless. I volunteer two weekends a month to this cause. And I only mention this because I belive that anyone can point out what's broken, or wrong. It takes focused, committed people to fix, or make it right.

Regards,
Tom

Rick,
In order:
Lies - Antiabortion folks support murder.

Half truths - Because of your religion you believe a fetus is an unborn child. I cleared this up earlier.

Innuendo - You compare abortion to birth control and condom distribution.

We should not desensitize Americans to what Abortion really is.

Hello All,

I think we need to let this post die with Rick. This is a waster of energy, besides Rick seems to want to "fry fish" instead of having a intelligent debate.

I'm out of here. Got some nice deals to bid on.

CulleyJC52

fry your own fish.

TSmith ^5's on the Post.. of Course I have givin up even trying to post or read Rick's posts... I also have access to the info as you do... sometimes I think its a damn shame we cannot post it to prove a point but to read what Rick posts whats the use anyways LMAO... Read my other post (what is an American) then you can see what I am talking about....

Keep'em Flyin!!!!

Laterzzzz
Hog

usahog

"I have givin up even trying to post or read Rick's posts"

no you haven't. like my posts or not, they do fascinate you.

Fascinate????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Maybe yourself, you got too much time on your hands.

no you haven't. like my posts or not, they do fascinate you.

"Fascinate" is not the word of choice here...
I do however LMAO at some of the things you post/paste on the boards.. myself I cannot understand how you percieve your judgements based on Media BS... but to each his own... you can lead a horse to water but you cannot make him drink!!!!
isn't it a Great Domocracy we live in??

Hog

more crap continues

Crap, is I have yet to see a thoughtful reply on any of your post. Take that back, I do enjoy many of your replies regarding cigars, helping newbies with problems, etc., But, your political analogy stinks, seems all you do is qoute other sources, with no independent thought or jecture, other than maybe a one liner.

Let me guess rick...is it you?

That would make a LOT of sense.