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Mitt Romney compels all WHITES to vote for him.
tailgater Offline
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=BdjoHA5ocwU


Oh, wait.

Nevermind...
FuzzNJ Offline
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlMIh79evwA
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Sheesh, dude, don't you ever watch the news? Blacks can't be racists. You can have black colleges, black college funds, black business groups, black clubs, etc., etc., that exclude anyone who isn't black, yet they are not discriminatory, nor are they racist.

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FuzzNJ wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlMIh79evwA


uhm.. Okaaaay..

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oh and dont forget Black Television!
DrafterX Offline
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do they know he's only half black..?? Huh and not really American..?? Huh
Rclay Offline
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I'll bring this up at the next Honkey Club Meeting.
tailgater Offline
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This was probably in response to Billy Crystal's black face last night...
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dpnewell wrote:
Sheesh, dude, don't you ever watch the news? Blacks can't be racists. You can have black colleges, black college funds, black business groups, black clubs, etc., etc., that exclude anyone who isn't black, yet they are not discriminatory, nor are they racist.



"An ethnic group (or ethnicity) is a group of people whose members identify with each other, through a common heritage, often consisting of a common language, a common culture (often including a shared religion) and/or an ideology that stresses common ancestry or endogamy". Wikipedia.

Blacks aren't the only ethnic group that has colleges, college funds, business groups, clubs, etc., that exclude others. Lots and lots of different groups do it, often for good reason. Homogeneity is not necessarily always a bad thing. Unless it violates certain types of legally protected matters such as housing, jobs ,etc., there is nothing wrong in my opinion. In fact, I think it is totally acceptable in many, many circumstances. Now, if a governmental agency does it, then it violates the 14th Amendment- Equal Protection Clause.




FuzzNJ Offline
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What is racist or wrong in targeting a voting block? Is speaking in front of Bob Jones University dividing America? Encouraging Christians to vote for you by taking out ads on Christian radio, black radio shows, Nascar cars, Spanish speaking ads are racist or divide us on religious grounds? What about saying Obama and liberals are anti-religious, evil murderers and traitors or taking out ads proclaiming your anti-abortion stance calling Democratic candidates murderers? All ok and within bounds, but a black president targeting black citizens is wrong?

You are getting upset and worried over something every one trying to sell something does every damn day, including politicians with whom you agree and your refusal to see it is bizzare actually.
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He doesn't need to target the black vote. He'll get 80-90% no matter what, they identify with the equal opportunity Kenyan King. And they ain't gonna let anyone but them bad mouth him.

Plus the foodstamp crowd has been locked down.

The Hispanics will sell out en mass when they have the most leverage.

The racist crackers will feel guilty again.
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FuzzNJ wrote:
What is racist or wrong in targeting a voting block? Is speaking in front of Bob Jones University dividing America? Encouraging Christians to vote for you by taking out ads on Christian radio, black radio shows, Nascar cars, Spanish speaking ads are racist or divide us on religious grounds? What about saying Obama and liberals are anti-religious, evil murderers and traitors or taking out ads proclaiming your anti-abortion stance calling Democratic candidates murderers? All ok and within bounds, but a black president targeting black citizens is wrong?

You are getting upset and worried over something every one trying to sell something does every damn day, including politicians with whom you agree and your refusal to see it is bizzare actually.

And if you you noticed he continued with his fair share BS in this add. Just what the other thread was about.
It's all about divide and conquer for this guy, like it or not.

and....................................
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dubleuhb wrote:
And if you you noticed he continued with his fair share BS in this add. Just what the other thread was about.
It's all about divide and conquer for this guy, like it or not.

and....................................



...and...the Me Me Me show! The Kenyan King doesn't miss a step to put an "I" or "Me" or "Barack Hussein Obama" out there. The guy should sell cars when he's done in the White House. He'd make Cal Worthington look like an amateur!
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Barry you KNOW I only drive a Cadillac.
tailgater Offline
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#9 and #10 (rfenst and fuzz);

Good posts.
But they honestly miss the point, because we've been taught that it's different when "black" is the category.
When someone uses skin color alone to define a person or a group, then it is racist. This is not an opinion, but rather the pure definition.
Obama's request was not centered on a cultural or idealogical conformity, but simply by skin color.
This difference can not be ignored, because it is not insignificant.

When a white person is racist, we universally agree that the person is an idiot.
What, then, should we consider the black person who espouses racism?

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tailgater wrote:
#9 and #10 (rfenst and fuzz);


What, then, should we consider the black person who espouses racism?



An idiot!
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Barry you KNOW I only drive a Cadillac.


Eldorado, right?
tailgater Offline
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rfenst wrote:
An idiot!


Amen, brother!
tailgater Offline
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rfenst wrote:
Eldorado, right?



Terminus?
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40 acres and a mule...
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"I love it when the left and when the president say, 'Don't try to impose your values on us, you folks who hold your Bibles in your hand and cling to your guns.' They have values too. Our values are "based on religion, based on life. Their values are based on a religion of self." Santorum

"In the battle for the nomination, who gets to choose? The establishment minority or the conservative majority? The establishment wants us to hold our noses and nominate their moderate candidate. We've been down this road before. They gave us Bob Dole. We got (audio of car crash). They gave us John McCain (audio of car crash). Now they're giving us Mitt Romney? Don't let them. Not this time. The establishment doesn't believe what we believe. They don't see the threats to our freedom, our Constitution and the America we love. They only care about their power. They think they control the Republican Party. But they have a problem. There are more of us than there are of them. We want our party back and our country. It's up to us. The time to choose is now." Gingrich super pac ad

”I don’t want to make black people’s lives better by giving them somebody else’s money. I want to give them the opportunity to go out and earn the money and provide for themselves and their families.” Santorum

“One of the things I will talk about, that no president has talked about before, is I think the dangers of contraception in this country, Many of the Christian faith have said, well, that’s OK; contraception is OK. It’s not OK. It’s a license to do things in a sexual realm that is counter to how things are supposed to be.” Santorum

“We have talked a lot in recent weeks about the Holocaust, about the incredible period in which Nazi Germany killed millions of people and, in particular, came close to wiping out European Jewry. Someone said to me two days ago, talking frankly about the McIntyre affair [in which Democrats refused to seat the winner of a House race until they'd conducted a recount] and the efforts by the Democratic leadership not to allow the people of Indiana to have their representative but, instead, to impose upon them somebody else, something in which he quotes [German poet Martin] Niemoller, and I have never quite until tonight been able to link it together—Niemoller, the great German theologian, said at one point: ‘When the Nazis came for the Jews, I did nothing…and when the Nazis came for me, there was no one left.’”

“Woody Allen had non-incest with his non-daughter because they were a non-family. It fits the Democratic Party platform perfectly." Newty

“I think that the mother killing the two children in South Carolina vividly reminds every American how sick the society is getting and how much we need to change things. The only way you get change is to vote Republican.”

"“We should replace bilingual education with immersion in English so people learn the common language of the country and they learn the language of prosperity, not the language of living in a ghetto.” Newt

“I am convinced that if we do not decisively win the struggle over the nature of America, by the time [his grandchildren are] my age they will be in a secular atheist country, potentially one dominated by radical Islamists and with no understanding of what it once meant to be an American.” Gingrich

Kum ba ya, my friend. Let's all hold hands and rejoice in this coming together.

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tailgater wrote:
#9 and #10 (rfenst and fuzz);

Good posts.
But they honestly miss the point, because we've been taught that it's different when "black" is the category.
When someone uses skin color alone to define a person or a group, then it is racist. This is not an opinion, but rather the pure definition.
Obama's request was not centered on a cultural or idealogical conformity, but simply by skin color.
This difference can not be ignored, because it is not insignificant.

When a white person is racist, we universally agree that the person is an idiot.
What, then, should we consider the black person who espouses racism?



Ah, I get it now. I figured it was the reason all along, but was waiting for you to confirm it. He's BLACK! Omg! Trent Lott went on BET when he said racist sh*t, but he wasn't racist for saying Thurmond would have been better for America, (the segregationist) but racist for appealing to African Americans on BET.

Now, I'm not saying you're racist, but that sure as f*ck sounds racist. Because he's black he can't direct a video toward black people. If a white person directs a video or commercial to Hispanics, that's fine though. What if a Hispanic directs an ad to Hispanics? That racist too? When a woman talks to women's gorups, sexist?

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Michelle has a ghetto azz..
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Ah, I get it now. I figured it was the reason all along, but was waiting for you to confirm it. He's BLACK! Omg! Trent Lott went on BET when he said racist sh*t, but he wasn't racist for saying Thurmond would have been better for America, (the segregationist) but racist for appealing to African Americans on BET.

Now, I'm not saying you're racist, but that sure as f*ck sounds racist. Because he's black he can't direct a video toward black people. If a white person directs a video or commercial to Hispanics, that's fine though. What if a Hispanic directs an ad to Hispanics? That racist too? When a woman talks to women's gorups, sexist?




No, you DON'T get it.

You're skull is as thick as a brick and you're desperately trying to throw the racist card down. You already used yours. Only one in the deck. You don't get anything because you cannot maintain an open mind. Nice try with the rest of the garbage in the post. Wordy. That means you don't know what you're talking about. Learn the subject matter then you can talk about it.
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tailgater wrote:
#9 and #10 (rfenst and fuzz);

But they honestly miss the point, because we've been taught that it's different when "black" is the category.
When someone uses skin color alone to define a person or a group, then it is racist. This is not an opinion, but rather the pure definition.


And, this is not the definition of racism. My wife is Asian. Noticing that and saying that does not make one racist. If I said my mother in law can't drive or is good at math because she is Asian, is racist. "See that black guy over there?", is not racist. "See that black guy over there? I bet he's on welfare because he's black", is.

See the difference?
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FuzzNJ wrote:
And, this is not the definition of racism. My wife is Asian. Noticing that and saying that does not make one racist. If I said my mother in law can't drive or is good at math because she is Asian, is racist. "See that black guy over there?", is not racist. "See that black guy over there? I bet he's on welfare because he's black", is.

See the difference?


Do you call your MIL Mamason ?
Does she own a convenient store ?
Is she a bad driver ?
Does she carry a Camera everwhere ?


does she call you round eye ?

Think
ZRX1200 Offline
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I call my MIL zipper head.
wheelrite Offline
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Next Fuzz is gonna say "some of my best friends are black"

He reminds me of the way Meathead on All in the Family acted when Lionel Jefferson was around,,,
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wheelrite wrote:
Next Fuzz is gonna say "some of my best friends are black"

I must be a racist then. None of my best friends are black.

Maybe I can just blame it all on Mitt Romney...Think
tailgater Offline
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FuzzNJ wrote:
And, this is not the definition of racism. My wife is Asian. Noticing that and saying that does not make one racist. If I said my mother in law can't drive or is good at math because she is Asian, is racist. "See that black guy over there?", is not racist. "See that black guy over there? I bet he's on welfare because he's black", is.

See the difference?


Fuzz,
Answer one simple question:

If Mitt Romney asked all white people in the same vein that Obama targeted the black community, would you consider it to be racist?

And this would include Mitt saying "I want the WHITE community to come together, etc..."
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Ah, I get it now. I figured it was the reason all along, but was waiting for you to confirm it. He's BLACK! Omg! Trent Lott went on BET when he said racist sh*t, but he wasn't racist for saying Thurmond would have been better for America, (the segregationist) but racist for appealing to African Americans on BET.

Now, I'm not saying you're racist, but that sure as f*ck sounds racist. Because he's black he can't direct a video toward black people. If a white person directs a video or commercial to Hispanics, that's fine though. What if a Hispanic directs an ad to Hispanics? That racist too? When a woman talks to women's gorups, sexist?



Yes.
Because he's black.

And because he is using his race by asking other people of color to vote for him BECAUSE he is black.

There is no other way to interpret his message. I mean, let's face it: he doesn't even know who his opponent will be, but because he knows he will be white, he is asking the blacks to organize around him.

In the name of their color.

Because somehow, that's important.
Or at least it is when he can use it as an advantage.

So tell me again how I sound racist? And obama doesn't?
But I'm the one that's confused?

This would be a better conversation over a beer and cigar, because I know there is no way that you're keeping a straight face with your insane drivel.
tailgater Offline
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Ah, I get it now. I figured it was the reason all along, but was waiting for you to confirm it. He's BLACK! Omg! Trent Lott went on BET when he said racist sh*t, but he wasn't racist for saying Thurmond would have been better for America, (the segregationist) but racist for appealing to African Americans on BET.

Now, I'm not saying you're racist, but that sure as f*ck sounds racist. Because he's black he can't direct a video toward black people. If a white person directs a video or commercial to Hispanics, that's fine though. What if a Hispanic directs an ad to Hispanics? That racist too? When a woman talks to women's gorups, sexist?



Yes.
Because he's black.

And because he is using his race by asking other people of color to vote for him BECAUSE he is black.

There is no other way to interpret his message. I mean, let's face it: he doesn't even know who his opponent will be, but because he knows he will be white, he is asking the blacks to organize around him.

In the name of their color.

Because somehow, that's important.
Or at least it is when he can use it as an advantage.

So tell me again how I sound racist? And obama doesn't?
But I'm the one that's confused?

This would be a better conversation over a beer and cigar, because I know there is no way that you're keeping a straight face with your insane drivel.
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Whoa, politicians doing and say anything to get elected? Stop the presses!
FuzzNJ Offline
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racism

1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

Is this racist?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98kmsa8RbA4&feature=player_embedded

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Not sure what he said, but if he asked for their support just because they are Hispanic yes. Talking in a language that someone understands is not. More diversion?
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What does post #25 have to do with the price of tea in China? Just like the Kenyan King...the me me me show. stick with the topic
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FuzzNJ wrote:
racism

1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.




You can look up definitions all day.
an intelligent person, however, can accept the fact that if you discriminate based on skin color, then you have employed a racist mentality.
It matters not if your intentions are good, bad or indifferent.

So one more time:

Discriminate based on skin color = racism.


OK?
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“I’m Sorry I Had To Fight In The Middle Of Your Black Panther Party”
http://alablawg.wordpress.com/2006/08/22/im-sorry-i-had-to-fight-in-the-middle-of-your-black-panther-party/

Just came to mind.
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tailgater wrote:
You can look up definitions all day.
an intelligent person, however, can accept the fact that if you discriminate based on skin color, then you have employed a racist mentality.
It matters not if your intentions are good, bad or indifferent.

So one more time:

Discriminate based on skin color = racism.


OK?


tailgater wrote:

When someone uses skin color alone to define a person or a group, then it is racist. This is not an opinion, but rather the pure definition.


Is the 'pure' definition different than the dictionary definition?

And certainly it discriminates, as it acknowledges a difference by targeting one group, just as any one who does the god awful job of marketing does constantly. But it's not racist. He's not attributing a stereotype or claiming superiority or inferiority, he's acknowledging a constituency.

What if a Jewish guy talks to a Jewish organization and said “motivate your flocks to come out and vote”? Racist? No, addressing a constituency.

Not being racist or a bigot doesn't mean you can't acknowledge skin color, sexual orientation, religion, national origin, rich/poor. Not acknowledging it is to think that bigotry and racism don't exist, and you have said that it does. Why is it that only when someone who is black talking to black people wrong and not other groups?
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We are missing the big point in all of this. Barry is 50% African and 50% caucasoid.

Is he half racist or half not racist? Or just full of $#!t
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tailgater wrote:
Fuzz,
Answer one simple question:

If Mitt Romney asked all white people in the same vein that Obama targeted the black community, would you consider it to be racist?

And this would include Mitt saying "I want the WHITE community to come together, etc..."


Oh oh pick me Mr. Cot AIR


I would not find him racist. Both sides are actively targeting the Hispanic community too. Not racist. Just politics and to a certain extent sociology.

Whites have always targeted whites. It is so natural it is subtle now. We have a black president (I know yall noticed he is black from reading about the kenyan king, not one of us (birther), presidentin be hard, ghetto arse etc). It is a fairly new unique thing for this country. It doesn't suprise me he would try to energize his community. Old white guys have done it for a long time. Wait till our first latino prez. your brains would splode when they court their own communities. Frankly I look forward to the use of lowrider as a campaign song.

And the simple truth is nothing is stopping Mitt from saying what you would like him to say above "And this would include Mitt saying "I want the WHITE community to come together, etc..."
" other than Mitt himself. Go ahead....say it if that's what you want. You know many are thinking it including him. Of course he would like to get the majority of the white vote. The only thing stopping is his calculation of what will work and not work for him.

There are people that will not vote for the Big O because he is black. There are likely people who will not vote for Mitt because he is white or Morman (he did court the morman vote).

Meh.

The world goes on.
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Is the 'pure' definition different than the dictionary definition?

And certainly it discriminates, as it acknowledges a difference by targeting one group, just as any one who does the god awful job of marketing does constantly. But it's not racist. He's not attributing a stereotype or claiming superiority or inferiority, he's acknowledging a constituency.

What if a Jewish guy talks to a Jewish organization and said “motivate your flocks to come out and vote”? Racist? No, addressing a constituency.

Not being racist or a bigot doesn't mean you can't acknowledge skin color, sexual orientation, religion, national origin, rich/poor. Not acknowledging it is to think that bigotry and racism don't exist, and you have said that it does. Why is it that only when someone who is black talking to black people wrong and not other groups?



So again:
Mitt Romney going on TV and asking for WHITE churches to stump for him is OK?
Mitt Romney using the words "White Americans should vote for me" would be simply a campaign slogan?

We all know the answers.

But I want to hear them from our resident Obama supporter.
No need to cloud the issue with youtubes about the hispanic vote.

Just answer the question.
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tailgater wrote:
So again:
Mitt Romney going on TV and asking for WHITE churches to stump for him is OK?
Mitt Romney using the words "White Americans should vote for me" would be simply a campaign slogan?

We all know the answers.

But I want to hear them from our resident Obama supporter.
No need to cloud the issue with youtubes about the hispanic vote.

Just answer the question.



Yes. He can do it if he choses. No one is stopping him. If it works out...great. If it doesn't ... too bad. What is the issue?
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A candidate self-censors themselves because (presumably according to your scenareo) to honestly express what they think will not play well towards getting them elected and you are mad at the other guy. Cry me a river.
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If only Mitt were black..... Sad
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#46 Posted:
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Boo hoo hoo.... it's just not fair. when did we become such cry babys. Quit the pillowbiting and fight.

If I was running of course I would want all white folk to vote for me. All black folk too. Browns etc. Any group I was in front of I would encourage to vote for me.
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you'd especially want the gay-homos vote huh..... Huh
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DrafterX wrote:
you'd especially want the gay-homos vote huh..... Huh


yup.


WWBBD? Bill Beli would cheat. Mitt needs to cheat. It's better than sitting around pouting about its not fair. Go out and win. If the other side is getting away with something do it yourself, of find something YOU can exploit Nancy.
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teedubbya wrote:
yup.





Would two terms be long enough to fulfill all your gay-homo promises..... Huh
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DrafterX wrote:
Would two terms be long enough to fulfill all your gay-homo promises..... Huh



I just watchred J. Edgar last weekend.
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