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So yelling out..."You'd better swallow or this is going in your eye"...is that bad?

Can I get a ruling on that one?

http://www.tshirthell.com/funny-shirts/swallow-or-its-going-in-your-eye/

The real problem here is a lack separation between church and state. The people who see abortion as murder do so because of religious believes (God knows it not based on scientific ones).

If people would stop trying to force their religious beliefs on others, abortion would not be an issue . . . .

Of course, ignorance is also a bit of a problem . . . . .

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You ever watched a 22 week baby being born prematurely? I have. Though that baby's lungs were too small to survive it was alive for a few minutes while it feebly withered away in its mothers arms.

Abortion is murder, just like the death penalty. It's just sanctioned murder. It has nothing to do with religion, I'm not even against it. But it is what it is.

I would like to watch you break down in the fetal position on the floor while watching a mans wife scream in agony as that baby died. Watch that baby go limp.

You cry baby liberals are the weakest individuals on earth. Talk a big game on science versus religion to mask your lack of ability to stand up and have courage and faith on something greater than your ego.

I hope the worst for you and your weak cohorts. Don't mask the issue.

Dude,

Masking the issue with your self-righteous indignation doesn’t change the simple fact that you not only want to push your values on everyone else, but that you're eager to bully people while doing it.

Your God tells you not to have a 1st trimester abortion? No worries, carry your child to term even it you got knocked up by a rapist. God tell you condoms are murder? Guess you go with “rhythm and blues”. Who the hell cares what your values are or what you do – unless it effects others – and there lies the rub.

You push your way into the lives of others because “you know what is right”. You would see us return to back ally abortions because that appeals to your own personal sense of fairness. Smells like conservative sadism – typical ****.

If you really cared so much about the children that COULD come from the unwanted pregnancy then set up an orphanage. Do something positive rather then banging your fist at people smart enough not to fall for your value system. You'd feel better – really.

I disagree the point isnt her life there's two there.

In Roe vs. Wade, the rallying cry of pro-choicers, they said after the 1st trimester. I've heard people say "at the point that the fetus could survive outside the mother's womb"...but medical advances are making it possible for them to survive younger and younger...a few years ago a 21 week old baby was delivered and survived.

This is something that there will NEVER be agreement on, so the only option is compromise. But nobody wants to compromise either.

Damn Tim Tebow's mother!

Johan


That's my role here...

There has to be compromise or we will still be fighting over this 1,000 years from now, and politicians on both sides of the political spectrum will still be using it as a tool to fire up the extreme bases of their parties every election year.

There has to be a discussion. Abortion will never be 100% legal or 100% illegal anywhere, so there has to be compromise.

-When does life begin? The extreme right argues that life begins at conception. While theoretically true, a zygote has no brain, no heart, etc. So the extreme right needs to give a little on this issue. The extreme left thinks that "partial-birth" abortion is OK and that the fetus is still not "legally" a person at this point. This is equally ridiculous and they need to give a little on that.

-How do we balance medical/reproductive freedom and privacy with the need to protect life? The extreme right believes that abortion should be illegal in every case, even when a 14 year old girl is raped by her father. They need to give on this issue. The extreme left believes that abortion is OK as a form of birth control and that insurance companies should be legally required to cover it and taxpayer dollars should pay for it as well. They need to give on this issue.


It really does boil down to compromise. It's the only solution.

Can we compromise, reach a consensus, and decide that a fetus is legally a person at _____ weeks, and has full protection under the law at this point? And then everybody STFU about it?

It is a dirty job but somebody's got to do it.

Negro please,

Abortion is in issue people have always had a split decision on. That would equally make you a contrarian  .

You might have accused me of being an Iconoclast. Then at least the dart would have hit the board . . . .

So the law errors on the side of reason despite the common will? Hell, checkers sells more than chess . . . . what is your point?

Maybe your right wheel - Maybe it should be murder to kill a sacred cow. Maybe music outside of the church should be illegal. Maybe condom should be illegal along with stem cell research. Maybe the infidels should be put to death along with people who have seen 'The Sound of Music' more than four times.

Nah, I'd rather live in America.



That reminds me . . . .Did you hear about the plastic surgeon who hung himself?

In spite of the majority opinion they error on reason – does that read better?




As the little girl sits in the barbers chair, eating a Twinkie, the barber looks at her impatiently and says;
“Little girl, your going to get hair all over you Twinkie.”
To which she enthusiasticly replies;
“Yeah, and my boobs are gonna get bigger too!”

[quote=Brewha]In spite of the majority opinion they error on reason – does that read better?


OH !
Like Man Made Global Warming for which there is no evidence ?

CHANGE OF TOPIC FOUL!

Shifting from abortion to global warming – Oh, the shame! You have no game! A Fox Noise lame! (hay the rhymes . . . ).




Know what you call in Irish quadriplegic laying on your back porch?
Patty-o-Furnature

My response was based on emotion, to be certain.
But that doesn't make it any less true. That's the beauty of facts.

I understand that your position comes from a perspective of simply not knowing. And that's OK.

As for my values? They are hardly unique, yet I wouldn't force them upon anyone.

I would never push to make abortion illegal.
Quite the opposite, in fact. I would push to EDUCATE those who make that "choice".

Crossing one's arms and closing eyes tight while chanting "I"m pro CHOICE" is a position of ignorance when the one making that choice doesn't even know what the procedure entails. Yet, this is what the pro-choice crowd is pushing for: to make abortions more readily available and at little or no cost. To allow children to get abortions without adult consent. To make an abortion easier to get, while failing to provide information about all the other options. These are facts.

I make no claim to knowing when "life" begins.
But I do know that at 10 weeks an abortion is the stilling of a beating heart. This is a fact. Indisputable.

One could argue that at 10 weeks the child wouldn't survive outside the womb. And that may be true in 2012, but what about in 2020? Does the 10 week fetus suddenly become a person because of technology?

And what about the infant child? Can they survive without assistance simply because they're already born?
If their dependence doesn't deny them the right to be called a "person", then why does the 10 week old's dependence get used as "proof" that they're not yet a living creature?

What I find most appalling about the pro-choice crowd is that they're so busy fighting for the RIGHT to get an abortion that they never take the time to consider IF they should get one.

Outrageous.

My position may seem to you as one of 'simply not knowing'. But I would remind you that the fool is the twin of the wise.

There are many days when a man with a 'beating heart' has his plug pulled because his mind is no more, and he is no longer a person. It takes more than an organ to make a person.

The full picture is the woman who has an unwanted pregnancy, by carelessness, mistake, rape, you name it. Does she loose rights to her body and future life because SOME find the early termination unpalatable? No 'morning after pills'? If this is to be the law, then would it not be better for all to make accidental conception a crime? Or is it better to bring an unwanted child into the world by legislation of those who bare no responsibility for it?

I never met someone who had an abortion that did not spend their life with the 'if' arrow in their heart wondering 'if ' they made the right decision. You seem to have no companion for those would have to make such a hard decision. An yet you would accuse me of 'simply not knowing'.

It is sooooo much easier to just reduce life to black and white, the 'good' people and the 'bad' people, and then cast stones.

It is true you know; good must have evil that it might demonstrate its virtue.

Brew, my man.
You're not paying attention.

First, I've been very clear from the start: I would NEVER abolish abortion.
Next, and most important, I would "choose" to educate rather than figure out ways to make it easier.

You admit knowing women who are sometimes haunted by their "choice".
You can be damn well sure that they'd be less haunted if they were educated and given ALL the information before they made their decision. Even if it were the same decision.