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Obama losing the Pothead vote....
DrafterX Offline
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Feds under Obama appear tougher on medical marijuana, disappointing voters
Published April 27, 2012

President Obama pledged during his 2008 campaign to take a hands-off approach to medical marijuana, but four years later raids and other tactics have forced as many as 200 medical-marijuana growers and distributors to cease operations, resulting in sharp criticism from likely voters and fellow Democrats.

Medical marijuana supporters say the reason behind the apparent policy shift remains a mystery.

"It's really confusing," Kris Hermes of Americans for Safe Access said, Thursday. "The president's tactics are worse than those of his predecessor, George Bush."

Hermes and others involved in the issue point at two Justice Department memos: the first was issued in 2009 and seemed to suggest the hands-off approach, and the second, issued last year, restated the previous so-called "Ogden memo," but also made clear federal law still prohibits the growing, selling and possession of marijuana.

"People took the 2009 letter to heart," Hermes said. "Then the government realized what was in the letter and freaked out."

Federal officials maintains the policy has not changed.

"The Department of Justice is focusing its limited resources on significant drug traffickers, not seriously ill individuals who are in compliance with applicable state medical marijuana statues," Allison Price, an agency spokeswoman told Fox News.

However federal officials have acknowledged the 2009 letter was followed by a proliferation of large-scale medical marijuana operations – some with projected annual revenue exceeding $1 million – which appeared to be driven by profiteers and those who want to legalize all drugs, not advocates for the compassionate use.

A promise not to use Justice Department money to "circumvent state laws" was among the president's campaign pledges.

He attempted to clarify his position this week in a "Rolling Stone" magazine interview. Obama said the government was not going to "prioritize prosecutions of persons who are using medical marijuana," but that he never committed to giving "carte blanche to large-scale producers and operators of marijuana."

"I can't ask the Justice Department to say, 'Ignore completely a federal law that's on the books,'" he added.

Though 16 states and the District of Columbia have enacted medical marijuana laws in the absence of federal legislation, most of the raids and warnings about prosecutions have occurred in California, Colorado and Montana.

Federal agents participated in more than 20 raids on Montana distribution centers in 2011 alone, according to a Justice Department report.

And more than 200 California dispensaries have been shuttered "as a result of threats to threats and owners" since U.S. Attorneys announced a crackdown in the state in October 2011, according to Americans for Safe Access.

The most high-profile raid occurred April 2 at Oaksterdam University in Oakland. Federal agents said the established medical-marijuana training facility was too close to schools, but they were really targeting founder Richard Lee, a leader in marijuana-legalization efforts, according to published reports.

The raid and the growing concern among medical-marijuana supporters resulted in a flurry of sharply-worded responses.

"I am concerned about recent federal actions targeting duly permitted medicinal cannabis dispensaries," San Francisco Mayor Edwin Lee, a Democrat, wrote. "Time and time again, the president of the United States has made it clear that the Justice Department has more important priorities than working to prevent patients from accessing this medicine."

Among the most powerful was one sent by General Assembly lawmakers representing five states with medical marijuana laws.

"Unfortunately, these laws face a mounting level of federal hostility and confusing mixed messages from the Obama administration, the Department of Justice, and the various United States attorneys," the Democratic and Republican lawmakers wrote. "We call on President Obama to recommit to the principles and policy on which he campaigned and asserted his first year in office."

The letter also referred to U.S. attorneys threatening more investigations and the use of other federal resources against those who grow and distribute medical marijuana, saying some threats have been time to influence pending state legislation or to encourage the abandonment of state and local regulatory programs.

More disturbing, the letter states, is that some of the attorneys have also warned that state employees who implement the laws and regulations are not exempt from criminal prosecution.

New Jersey GOP Gov. Chris Christie, a former U.S. attorney, decided state workers face no real threat of federal prosecution and moved forward with implementing a medical marijuana program.

However, the "chilling" effect of one such warning resulted in Delaware Gov. Jack Markell suspending the implementation of his state's regulatory program, the letter points out.



Film at 11.... Mellow
DrafterX Offline
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"I can't ask the Justice Department to say, 'Ignore completely a federal law that's on the books,'" he added.








Think Think Think Think
FuzzNJ Offline
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It shouldn't be legal, it should be mandatory.
ZRX1200 Offline
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Like they ignore the new black panther party breaking the law?
rfenst Offline
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Medical marijuana and small scale growers who support the industry are one thing. huge commercial growers are another. i don't think it should be illegal. I would be the very first in line for legitimate medical use.
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Potheads don't vote.
kcramer Offline
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I support medical marijuana. Personally I'd never use it even if I had a need to. What I don't support is every Tom, ****** and Harry concocting some bs health problems to get it prescribed. I'm a pretty straight shooter...never hot into any real trouble growing up, never stole, or done anything to end up in cuffs. Matter of fact, I work for the Federal Bureau of Prisons and I have to behave myself. My sister on the other hand is a real piece of work. Was and is always in trouble and has that "I'm entitled" attitude that so many of societies finest have developed. She lives in CO. Last year she calls to tell me she is now on medical marijuana. While I was not surprised I still asked why. Appearantly you get get medical marijuana for menstral cramps. Youve got to be Fuqn kidding me I said. But they are real bad!!! Whatever...click.
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kcramer wrote:
I support medical marijuana. Personally I'd never use it even if I had a need to. What I don't support is every Tom, ****** and Harry concocting some bs health problems to get it prescribed. I'm a pretty straight shooter...never hot into any real trouble growing up, never stole, or done anything to end up in cuffs. Matter of fact, I work for the Federal Bureau of Prisons and I have to behave myself. My sister on the other hand is a real piece of work. Was and is always in trouble and has that "I'm entitled" attitude that so many of societies finest have developed. She lives in CO. Last year she calls to tell me she is now on medical marijuana. While I was not surprised I still asked why. Appearantly you get get medical marijuana for menstral cramps. Youve got to be Fuqn kidding me I said. But they are real bad!!! Whatever...click.


Well, look at the bright side from your perspective. It could be amphetamines, alcohol or opiates...
wheelrite Offline
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Gateway Drug,,,


needs to be illegal...
rfenst Offline
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wheelrite wrote:
Gateway Drug,,,


needs to be illegal...


And we're of to the races...
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Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely
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"Why is marijuana against the law? It grows naturally upon our planet. Doesn't the idea of making nature against the law seem to you a bit . . . unnatural"
- Bill Hicks quote on Marijuana

"When I was a kid I inhaled frequently. That was the point."
- Barack Obama, U.S. President quote on Marijuana
ZRX1200 Offline
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Wheel hates freedom.
TMCTLT Offline
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Wheel hates freedom.



No he doesn't Jamie, he just prefers to get drunk and tell others what's bad for them.....it's OK :-"




rfenst wrote:
Well, look at the bright side from your perspective. It could be amphetamines, alcohol or opiates...




Ding ding ding...
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wheelrite wrote:
Gateway Drug,,,


needs to be illegal...


Beer's a gateway drug too. Leads to hard liquor, drunk driving deaths, ruined lives, childern and wife abuse, and tricks women into thinking Wheel is hot. Time to bring back Probation. Sheesh. d'oh!
wheelrite Offline
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[quote=TMCTLT]No he doesn't Jamie, he just prefers to get drunk and tell others what's bad for them.....it's OK :-"


Finally someone understands me !

=d>

wheel,
TMCTLT Offline
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wheelrite wrote:
[quote=TMCTLT]No he doesn't Jamie, he just prefers to get drunk and tell others what's bad for them.....it's OK Whistle


Finally someone understands me !

Applause

wheel,



Lol Bill.....and no worries, he never had my vote. Beer Not talking
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TMCTLT wrote:
Lol Bill.....and no worries, he never had my vote. Beer Not talking

Lol! Mine either.
rfenst Offline
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Wonder how many dispensaries are displaying Obama campaign signs and hosting absentee voting registration?
stogiemonger Offline
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rfenst wrote:
Wonder how many dispensaries are displaying Obama campaign signs and hosting absentee voting registration?

I'm thinking you would find more Ron Paul campaign signs and other related paul propaganda at the dope store.
rfenst Offline
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stogiemonger wrote:
I'm thinking you would find more Ron Paul campaign signs and other related paul propaganda at the dope store.


Just depends how highly they value their access to "legal" pot...
I am only thinking in terms of Romney v. Obama now.
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Attorney General Holder Admits Obama Misled On Medical Marijuana

As many of you have heard by now, Jimmy Kimmel called Obama out on marijuana at the 2012 White House Correspondents’ Dinner last night. Kimmel asked, “What is with the marijuana crackdown? Seriously, what is the concern? We will deplete the nation’s Funyun supply? Pot smokers vote too. Sometimes a week after the election, but they vote.”

http://www.theweedblog.com/attorney-general-holder-admits-obama-misled-on-medical-marijuana/
rfenst Offline
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jetblasted wrote:
Attorney General Holder Admits Obama Misled On Medical Marijuana

As many of you have heard by now, Jimmy Kimmel called Obama out on marijuana at the 2012 White House Correspondents’ Dinner last night. Kimmel asked, “What is with the marijuana crackdown? Seriously, what is the concern? We will deplete the nation’s Funyun supply? Pot smokers vote too. Sometimes a week after the election, but they vote.”

http://www.theweedblog.com/attorney-general-holder-admits-obama-misled-on-medical-marijuana/


Misled? Mistaken?
Article did not say anything about Holder calling Obama out. Anyhow, perhaps something will happen should Obama win the election. I think if it were taken of the Schedule I list, no state could do anything to prohibit medical use under prescription.
DrafterX Offline
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what would happen if an illegal in Arizona got busted with a bunch of pot.... which law would be ignored then..?? Huh
matchew Offline
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kcramer wrote:
I support medical marijuana. Personally I'd never use it even if I had a need to. What I don't support is every Tom, ****** and Harry concocting some bs health problems to get it prescribed. I'm a pretty straight shooter...never hot into any real trouble growing up, never stole, or done anything to end up in cuffs. Matter of fact, I work for the Federal Bureau of Prisons and I have to behave myself. My sister on the other hand is a real piece of work. Was and is always in trouble and has that "I'm entitled" attitude that so many of societies finest have developed. She lives in CO. Last year she calls to tell me she is now on medical marijuana. While I was not surprised I still asked why. Appearantly you get get medical marijuana for menstral cramps. Youve got to be Fuqn kidding me I said. But they are real bad!!! Whatever...click.


There are MANY "conditions" medical MJ can help. I'ts not just for cancer and AIDS patients. Now, I don't have
menstral cramps but I can tell you this; Ive had gastro issues since I was a kid. Just recently diagnosed with
severe IBS among a couple other GI problems. Medical MJ helps me. plain and simple.

MMJ can also be used for chronic pain and nerve damage. Ask me how I know.

what is comical is the amount of people "playing" the system to get their reefer. You should have to show MRI's
or various other tests to get that stuff.

It's funny the feeling some have about MMJ. Those same people go out and bring home a pint of vodka or rum
and THAT's ok.........
DrafterX Offline
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I think the biggest problem is the fraud... I live in pain and would love to smoke but I don't think my job would give me a pass on the random drug tests.. beer is legal so I drink my share of those.. (after work or course)...
the thing that caught my eye in thei article was post #2...
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wheelrite wrote:
Gateway Drug,,,


needs to be illegal...



Gateway Drug My Azz... that is just an excuse used by those ignorant of the legit use of cannabis and how it is medically proven to help with numerous conditions and is in fact more health for you than the majority of the legal drugs and prescription drugs on the market...

I for one would love to make use of it, (would be better than the Narco Therapy I am currently on) but I do not like the getting high aspect of it... Fortunately there is an entrepreneur out there that is looking for a way to either make a strain with little to no THC in it but high in CBD's (the actual medical viable chemicals in cannabis, or make a medication that only consists of the CBD's)

Wheel, would you deny Cannabis to those it would help? Despite what the Feds say, there are medical uses for Cannabis... the Feds need to get with the present and out of the 'refer madness" propaganda days...

It is safer than Prescription Meds (not one recorded death due to OD EVER in recorded history) it is safer than Booze and Nicotine... Hell, it is safer than Aspirin...

It is too bad that my Doc is too chicken chit to recommend it... afraid of liability issues, and the cost can be prohibitive, since it is not covered by any medical insurance...
matchew Offline
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marijuana being a "gateway drug" is one of the worlds biggest Fallacies.

right up there with the world being flat.
DrafterX Offline
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I don't think I would've dropped acid if I hadn't at least smoked pot first... not saying that pot led me or anyone else to hold up a pharmacy for Dilaudid or Morphine or any other crimes... no different than the first sip of beer... Mellow
rfenst Offline
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angus13 wrote:
Gateway Drug My Azz... that is just an excuse used by those ignorant of the legit use of cannabis and how it is medically proven to help with numerous conditions and is in fact more health for you than the majority of the legal drugs and prescription drugs on the market...

I for one would love to make use of it, (would be better than the Narco Therapy I am currently on) but I do not like the getting high aspect of it... Fortunately there is an entrepreneur out there that is looking for a way to either make a strain with little to no THC in it but high in CBD's (the actual medical viable chemicals in cannabis, or make a medication that only consists of the CBD's)

Wheel, would you deny Cannabis to those it would help? Despite what the Feds say, there are medical uses for Cannabis... the Feds need to get with the present and out of the 'refer madness" propaganda days...

It is safer than Prescription Meds (not one recorded death due to OD EVER in recorded history) it is safer than Booze and Nicotine... Hell, it is safer than Aspirin...

It is too bad that my Doc is too chicken chit to recommend it... afraid of liability issues, and the cost can be prohibitive, since it is not covered by any medical insurance...



+1 as to my personal health issues and MJ.

I often wonder what effect 9-10 Klonopin, Phenergan and Neurontin, all highly sedating, have done to me over the last 10+ years and will continue to do to me for the rest of my life. I would wonder the same about MJ, but... don't have that as a legal option and therefore cannot use it to really measure how much use would help compared to all the pills. That is just f'd up royally!`````
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rfenst wrote:
+1 as to my personal health issues and MJ.

I often wonder what effect 9-10 Klonopin, Phenergan and Neurontin, all highly sedating, have done to me over the last 10+ years and will continue to do to me for the rest of my life. I would wonder the same about MJ, but... don't have that as a legal option and therefore cannot use it to really measure how much use would help compared to all the pills. That is just f'd up royally!`````




wow, that's a lot of Klonopin... max I was ever on was 1mg x2 daily... but I am really starting to dislike the morphine, oxy, and rabaxin the pain management doc has me on...
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angus13 wrote:
wow, that's a lot of Klonopin... max I was ever on was 1mg x2 daily... but I am really starting to dislike the morphine, oxy, and rabaxin the pain management doc has me on...


.5mg x tid for me.

Long-term opiates can suck royal, but that's the best modern medicine can do for pain control that can't be otherwise stopped.

Does the Robaxin really do anything at all v. real muscle relaxants? Never worked for me.

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angus13 wrote:
wow, that's a lot of Klonopin... max I was ever on was 1mg x2 daily... but I am really starting to dislike the morphine, oxy, and rabaxin the pain management doc has me on...



Who the hell in this world has the right to tell you what works best for you in lieu of you program of risk-laden, heavy-duty meds?
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rfenst wrote:
.5mg x tid for me.

Long-term opiates can suck royal, but that's the best modern medicine can do for pain control that can't be otherwise stopped.

Does the Robaxin really do anything at all v. real muscle relaxants? Never worked for me.




nope... does not do much unless I pretty much double the dose...
wheelrite Offline
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angus13 wrote:
Gateway Drug My Azz... that is just an excuse used by those ignorant of the legit use of cannabis and how it is medically proven to help with numerous conditions and is in fact more health for you than the majority of the legal drugs and prescription drugs on the market...

I for one would love to make use of it, (would be better than the Narco Therapy I am currently on) but I do not like the getting high aspect of it... Fortunately there is an entrepreneur out there that is looking for a way to either make a strain with little to no THC in it but high in CBD's (the actual medical viable chemicals in cannabis, or make a medication that only consists of the CBD's)

Wheel, would you deny Cannabis to those it would help? Despite what the Feds say, there are medical uses for Cannabis... the Feds need to get with the present and out of the 'refer madness" propaganda days...

It is safer than Prescription Meds (not one recorded death due to OD EVER in recorded history) it is safer than Booze and Nicotine... Hell, it is safer than Aspirin...

It is too bad that my Doc is too chicken chit to recommend it... afraid of liability issues, and the cost can be prohibitive, since it is not covered by any medical insurance...



Sorry for your trouble...

But it is a Gateway Drug,,,
FuzzNJ Offline
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wheelrite wrote:
Sorry for your trouble...

But it is a Gateway Drug,,,


You are certainly entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts.

It will be removed from the schedule 1 list, it's just a matter of waiting out the old people who can't let go. Same with gay marriage.
wheelrite Offline
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FuzzNJ wrote:
You are certainly entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts.

It will be removed from the schedule 1 list, it's just a matter of waiting out the old people who can't let go. Same with gay marriage.


Are you saying old married queers smoke weed ?
Think
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wheelrite wrote:
Are you saying old married queers smoke weed ?
Think





they used to.... now they smoke crack.... Mellow
rfenst Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
they used to.... now they smoke crack.... Mellow



They have smoke coming out of their cracks?
MACS Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
Potheads don't vote.


Oh yes we, um, they do!
ZRX1200 Offline
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Too bad the potheads spend their money on doritos and taco bell.....no money for any insurance except medicaid.


Sorry Fuzz they may get outlived.
wheelrite Offline
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MACS wrote:
Oh yes we, um, they do!


That's why you're chunky
ZRX1200 Offline
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I have it on good authority that Shawn is lighter than you Bill.......




I recently drank some cosmos at the Blue Oyster bar with the Indian who told me the cop was liggter than you.

Sorry
wheelrite Offline
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ZRX1200 wrote:
I have it on good authority that Shawn is lighter than you Bill.......




I recently drank some cosmos at the Blue Oyster bar with the Indian who told me the cop was liggter than you.

Sorry


I'm taller and thinner than Shawny Macs...

5-11 172 lbs
ZRX1200 Offline
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You and MACS should post a side by side and let the jury decide ...........
MACS Offline
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wheelrite wrote:
That's why you're chunky


Um... I don't smoke weed, wheel. I haven't for many years. However, I was a pot smokin' fool in HS, and I would do it now if I wouldn't lose my job over it.

Not worth it to me.
MACS Offline
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ZRX1200 wrote:
You and MACS should post a side by side and let the jury decide ...........


C'mon, Jaime... let wheel have this.

(no need to tell him I'm barely 8 lbs heavier than him)Whistle
wheelrite Offline
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MACS wrote:
C'mon, Jaime... let wheel have this.

(no need to tell him I'm barely 8 lbs heavier than him)Whistle


1,B.S,
you 200+

2, Youre a couple inches shorter than me...

so there..
MACS Offline
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wheelrite wrote:
1,B.S,
you 200+

2, Youre a couple inches shorter than me...

so there..


I was 200+. Last time I checked I was 179.3 lbs, thankyouverymuch. And I am 1 inch shorter than you.

I told ya wheel... I was fat, but you're ugly and I lost weight! Applause
ZRX1200 Offline
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AND MY PECKERS SHORTEE THAN BOTH YOU GUYS!!!!







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