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Kenyan King Didn't Make THE Call!
DrMaddVibe Offline
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New CIA Memo Reveals Admiral, Not Obama, In Charge of bin Laden Raid; No "Gutsy Call" Was Ever Made

With the one year anniversary of Osama bin Laden's death less than one week away, the Obama Administration has been spiking the football for all its worth. The narrative that we have been told since May 1, 2011 is that President Obama made the call to kill bin Laden, with one aide even going so far as to say President Obama's action was "one of the ... gutsiest calls of any president in recent memory."

The White House has run with this, milking bin Laden's death for everything its worth. It's even to the point where if go to "gutsycall.com," your browser will automatically direct you to barackobama.com.

Honestly, if the final decisions were up to President Obama, and no other President would have even considered carrying out the raid that killed bin Laden, the President should have the right to use bin Laden's death any way he sees fit. The problem is that the so-called "gutsy call" never existed. Putting aside the fact that any President with Mr. Obama's intelligence information would have made the same call, a new memo released yesterday that Mr. Obama did not make the "final" call, nor was it terribly gutsy. Instead, it shows that the President merely authorized the possibility for going to Abbottabad... and left everything else up to Admiral William McRaven.

You can see the memo below, which was written by then-CIA head Leon Panetta (you can click on the image for better quality):

The memo reads (emphasis mine):
Received phone call from Tom Donilon who stated that the President made a decision with regard to AC1 [Abbottabad Compound 1]. The decision is to proceed with the assault.

The timing, operational decision making and control are in Admiral McRaven’s hands. The approval is provided on the risk profile presented to the President. Any additional risks are to be brought back to the President for his consideration. The direction is to go in and get bin Laden and if he is not there, to get out. Those instructions were conveyed to Admiral McRaven at approximately 10:45 am.

In other words, everything from when to go in, what to do, and how to do it were all up to Admiral McRaven. The President played practically no role in bin Laden's death other than being aware of it and allowing it... if bin Laden was indeed there. It wasn't gutsy in the least, but one of Mr. Obama's trademark non-committal commitments. If bin Laden wasn't there and everything went south, he could have easily pointed to the memo and said, "Gee, I told them to get out if he wasn't there!" Instead, bin Laden was there and the President took all the credit that he possibly could.


But there was no gutsy call. And there never was unless it was made by Admiral McRaven.




http://www.punditpress.com/2012/04/new-cia-memo-reveals-admiral-not-obama.html




Once again asleep at the wheel.
wheelrite Offline
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well,,

as much as I detest Obama..
He does desreve credit for taking out Osama...
in my opinion...

After all, he is not a military tactician .His Generals are and he was wise enough to leave the details to the experts.
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wheelrite wrote:
well,,

as much as I detest Obama..
He does desreve credit for taking out Osama...
in my opinion...

After all, he is not a military tactician .His Generals are and he was wise enough to leave the details to the experts.

very fair apprasial, Wheel. He acted as a President, relied on his people, the way good leadership should in making critical decisions. No leader, political, corporate, other, can win by micro managing and acting totally independent of advisors. Of course there had to be options in play. Trust your department managers.

The article carries a tone but is harmless.

Good job Brownie.
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Then why in the world would he make a political campaign ad trotting out a former President that could've taken Bin Laden out well over 10 times?????


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BD75KOoNR9k


[Sandy] Berger ambled down the stairwell and entered the Sit[uation] Room. He picked up the phone at one of the busy controller consoles and called the president. Amazingly, President Clinton was not available. Berger tried again and again. Bin Laden was within striking distance. The window of opportunity was closing fast. The plan of attack was set and the Tomahawk [missile] crews were ready. For about an hour Berger couldn’t get the commander in chief on the line. Though the president was always accompanied by military aides and the Secret Service, he was somehow unavailable. Berger stalked the Sit Room, anxious and impatient.

Finally, the president accepted Berger’s call. There was discussion, there were pauses – and no decision. The president wanted to talk with his secretaries of Defense and State. He wanted to study the issue further. Berger was forced to wait. The clock was ticking. The president eventually called back. He was still indecisive. He wanted more discussion. Berger alternated between phone calls and watching the clock.


The decision was stupid simple to make. They had the intelligence that this was the place and that he was there. While he was running for the job he said he'd do the exact thing and he did, what are we surprised because he actually KEPT a campaign promise and stood by his WORD?

The whole debacle of him saying Romney wouldn't have done that is pure garbage! Romney CALLED him and congratulated him on that decision!

GOVERNOR MITT ROMNEY: "I think, I wouldn't want to over-concentrate on Bin Laden. He's one of many, many people who are involved in this global Jihadist effort. He's by no means the only leader. It's a very diverse group – Hamas, Hezbollah, al-Qaeda, Muslim Brotherhood and of course different names throughout the world. It's not worth moving heaven and earth and spending billions of dollars just trying to catch one person. It is worth fashioning and executing an effective strategy to defeat global, violent Jihad and I have a plan for doing that."

If that's all the Kenyan King has going for him moving into the elections he's got nothing! There are some holdovers that want their Hope and Change that think a 2nd term of this jackwagon would give it to them, but America can't afford another 5+ TRILLION DOLLAR addition to our debt problems. God only KNOWS what he'd do with no care of being re-elected again!

The half-truths and lies have got to go! This is just like the "war on women" and the "dog" debacles. Window dressing that backfires harder on the OJT teleprompter!
wheelrite Offline
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He does need to go..

This may fall into the "Blind Squirrel and the Nut" Category.

However,
He could've pulled a Jimmy Carter like The failed rescue of the hostages in Iran.

To his credit,he did not.
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wheelrite wrote:
He does need to go..

This may fall into the "Blind Squirrel and the Nut" Category.

However,
He could've pulled a Jimmy Carter like The failed rescue of the hostages in Iran.

To his credit,he did not.



Wheel...he did what he had to do not what he wanted to do. See the difference?

Now he's making political hay out of it. He wanted to be a big hero then hop on a plane and take him out with a knife while the camera's are rolling! No hellfire missile strikes...no Seal Team 6...mano y mano.

He didn't do it. All he did was tell his staff..."Handle it" and went back to putting in the Oval Office, planning his next vacation or shooting hoops!

As for Jimmy Carter...I NEVER thought anyone would make his administration look good! While we have the very same energy concerns...a mideast peace problem...a stalled economy...at least he didn't double down and give everyone 5 TRILLION in debt!
wheelrite Offline
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Wheel...he did what he had to do not what he wanted to do. See the difference?

Now he's making political hay out of it. He wanted to be a big hero then hop on a plane and take him out with a knife while the camera's are rolling! No hellfire missile strikes...no Seal Team 6...mano y mano.

He didn't do it. All he did was tell his staff..."Handle it" and went back to putting in the Oval Office, planning his next vacation or shooting hoops!



But, he could've mishandled it by micro managing the situation .

Now, scoring political points is another issue.

Don't get me wrong.
I depise the guy.

I do believe he handled this properly and deserves credit for doing so.d'oh!
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wheelrite wrote:
But, he could've mishandled it by micro managing the situation .

Now, scoring ploitical points is another issue.

Don't get me wrong.
I depise the guy.

I do believe he handled this propoerly and deserves credit for doing so.d'oh!


Yeah and using it all for political campaigns...yeah....that's the way to do it.

Geez, then trot on out there and tell us how Romney wouldn't have bailed out GM, given the banks trillions to squirrel away and purchase foreign banks as well as prop them up, failed green initiatives and a golf game that can't break 100!

**** me running. You don't get prizes and accolades for doing the job you're supposed to do...you get them when you've gone above and beyond the measure. For POSITIVE reasons! To even use this for any political gain is a travesty! It's all mired down with hush hush super Top Secret crap. Show the pictures! Show the live feed! Instead of sending the body to the bottom of the ocean they should've stuffed it with bacon and let vultures eat it all while there's a live feed on it with missiles ready to take out anything that gets within 500 years of the trophy kill!
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DMV, I'm separating the action at the time from its current use as a political/marketing/re-election tool. Simply reacting to what happened at the time, that's all. Perhaps Wheel and I are also making a counterpoint to your angry glee that Obama was not a gutsy warrior? Maybe. But OBL is dead (I think) even if the Prez did not shoot him, and that is good. More productive than Saddam's death.

But I understand and agree with your reaction to how it is being packaged and why...though we should not be shocked and appalled to learn politics is a dirty biz. You have the ability to show smearing of the current Prez by his opposition too, I am certain. I expect plenty from each going forward. You are correct, it is lower than filthy.

So much innuendo in the first few sentences of post #4 that I stopped reading, just another smear/opinion piece mixed with a few facts. No problem with opinions, just not particularly educational.

Doesn't seem like a big story to me. Sorry.

Re: Clinton, imagine the reaction to taking out OBL BEFORE an attack on our soil!
wheelrite Offline
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Yeah and using it all for political campaigns...yeah....that's the way to do it.

Geez, then trot on out there and tell us how Romney wouldn't have bailed out GM, given the banks trillions to squirrel away and purchase foreign banks as well as prop them up, failed green initiatives and a golf game that can't break 100!

**** me running. You don't get prizes and accolades for doing the job you're supposed to do...you get them when you've gone above and beyond the measure. For POSITIVE reasons! To even use this for any political gain is a travesty! It's all mired down with hush hush super Top Secret crap. Show the pictures! Show the live feed! Instead of sending the body to the bottom of the ocean they should've stuffed it with bacon and let vultures eat it all while there's a live feed on it with missiles ready to take out anything that gets within 500 years of the trophy kill!



all valid points
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frankj1 wrote:
DMV, I'm separating the action at the time from its current use as a political/marketing/re-election tool. Simply reacting to what happened at the time, that's all. Perhaps Wheel and I are also making a counterpoint to your angry glee that Obama was not a gutsy warrior? Maybe. But OBL is dead (I think) even if the Prez did not shoot him, and that is good. More productive than Saddam's death.

But I understand and agree with your reaction to how it is being packaged and why...though we should not be shocked and appalled to learn politics is a dirty biz. You have the ability to show smearing of the current Prez by his opposition too, I am certain. I expect plenty from each going forward. You are correct, it is lower than filthy.

So much innuendo in the first few sentences of post #4 that I stopped reading, just another smear/opinion piece mixed with a few facts. No problem with opinions, just not particularly educational.

Doesn't seem like a big story to me. Sorry.

Re: Clinton, imagine the reaction to taking out OBL BEFORE an attack on our soil!



I'm stating that this SHOULDN'T be done by a sitting President. AT ALL! These decisions to revel in the guys killing is absurd. Remember all the pictures the left held up as GW as Hitler or drinking blood? Can you imagine IF he would've used 9-11 in a political ad to say he was better than his opponents? SAME THING! Now, this idiot wants to take all the credit like he pulled the trigger. YEAAAAA Team America! Watch THAT movie sometime today...please! It shouldn't have even been brought to the light of day that the raid happened. It was a surgical strike that gave up our stealth technology...don't forget THAT tidbit...so I view it all as a quid pro quo. Another stab in America's strengths played down so other 3rd world crap piles can reach our level while we sink under the crushing weight of debt and entitlements!


Smears? Really? More like facts some can't deal with tempered with attitude. I'm POSITIVE that if you searched you'd find the facts too! Clinton had ample opportunities to take OBL out before and DIDN'T...matter of fact he didn't even want the '93 Twin Towers attack labeled as a "terror attack" but a "crime". Don't believe me though! WAIT..There's MORE!

Clinton administration

Capturing Osama bin Laden had been an objective of the United States government since the presidency of Bill Clinton.[161] Shortly after the September 11 attacks it was revealed that President Clinton had signed a directive authorizing the CIA (and specifically their elite Special Activities Division) to apprehend bin Laden and bring him to the United States to stand trial after the 1998 United States embassy bombings in Africa; if taking bin Laden alive was deemed impossible, then deadly force was authorized.[162] On August 20, 1998, 66 cruise missiles launched by United States Navy ships in the Arabian Sea struck bin Laden's training camps near Khost in Afghanistan, narrowly missing him by a few hours.[163] In 1999 the CIA, together with Pakistani military intelligence, had prepared a team of approximately 60 Pakistani commandos to infiltrate Afghanistan to capture or kill bin Laden, but the plan was aborted by the 1999 Pakistani coup d'état;[163] in 2000, foreign operatives working on behalf of the CIA had fired a rocket-propelled grenade at a convoy of vehicles in which bin Laden was traveling through the mountains of Afghanistan, hitting one of the vehicles but not the one in which bin Laden was in.[162]

In 2000, prior to the September 11 attacks, Paul Bremer characterized the Clinton administration as "correctly focused on bin Laden", while Robert Oakley criticized their "obsession with Osama".[115]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osama_bin_Laden#Clinton_administration


He's TAINTED by inaction and ineptitude yet is now some Voice of Reason? NO! He too failed America.


Now I'm reading the Brian Wilson is being given permission to interview the President in the Situation Room...the Holy of Holies in the White House...NOTHING is sacred to this moron. He puts his feet up on the Resolute Desk...plays ball in the Oval Office...zero respect for something that was GIVEN to him by Americans too stupid to see him for what he is!
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Mission Accomplished

and

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=604177n
DrMaddVibe Offline
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Mission Accomplished

and

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=604177n



Correct me if I'm wrong...I believe those "offending" images were removed.

"Mission Accomplished" wasn't a campaign ad. Nice try.

http://www.naturalnews.com/035666_war_on_terror_Al_Qaida_Obama.html
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This is conversation is pointless.

OBL was dead long beforw the raid and the gov't is doing everything it can to hide the photos. Its not a conspiracy when the gov't is actually doing it.

DrMaddVibe Offline
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ZRX1200 wrote:
This is conversation is pointless.

OBL was dead long beforw the raid and the gov't is doing everything it can to hide the photos. Its not a conspiracy when the gov't is actually doing it.




THEY HATE COMPETITION!!!!
rfenst Offline
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had things gone wrong, Obama would have taken the political hit. but they went right so it seems some don't want him taking credit. Most of the stuff that gets publicized in a Presidential Race is b.s. and useless. Obama gets credit for it happening on his watch, just like Bush gets credit for Saddam being caught on his watch. End of story IMO. But hey, both candidates need accolades and criticisms for a solid 6 months. in the scheme of things, who really cares? i think people already made up their mind whether to give Obama credit for OBL when it went down. Story over and not even close to aaa real issue to me.
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^ while I agree the problem I had wasn't the credit going to Barry Soetoro it was the way his political operatives took away from the job the operators did killing a fake OBL.
FuzzNJ Offline
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Being the victim in a horrible terrorist attack is not equal to killing the guy responsible for the terrorist attack. One showed incompetence, the other showed leadership.
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Bush made the call.....
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I'm just glad the cocksucker is dead. Frankly DMV, I think you'd rather he were still alive if it somehow guaranteed Obama's defeat. Face it, Brother.......you get 4 more years.
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JadeRose wrote:
I'm just glad the cocksucker is dead. Frankly DMV, I think you'd rather he were still alive if it somehow guaranteed Obama's defeat. Face it, Brother.......you get 4 more years.

and that is the the real story here. Nothing new to learn.
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Agree with Wheel on this one. Don't like the guy but he does get he credit. IMHO, any sitting President would be gloating as well. Elections are always filled with lies and exaggerations. Obama is no different and he gets the glory is the same fashion that Carter got the blame.

Having said that, it's not enough to make me want 4 more years. What's worse is Romney wouldn't be any better in the job. Still think we need a Ron Paul to shake it up a bit. I would take RP anyday before Obama or Romney.
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ZRX1200 wrote:
^ while I agree the problem I had wasn't the credit going to Barry Soetoro it was the way his political operatives took away from the job the operators did killing a fake OBL.


You think they killed a fake OBL, not the real OBL?
wheelrite Offline
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rfenst wrote:
You don't think they killed a fake OBL, not the real OBL?


it was a smelly dude with a bed sheet on his head.

rfenst Offline
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wheelrite wrote:
it was a smelly dude with a bed sheet on his head.



Yeah, but he probably had hair...
ZRX1200 Offline
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Robert if they weren't hiding the photos I would be less suspicious.

This is the fifth time (I believe) they claimed he was dead, and multiple sources reported he was on dialysis before this.

I dont believe much anyone in DC says no matter what team they play for.
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ZRX1200 wrote:
I dont believe much anyone in DC says no matter what team they play for.

Bingo.

Regarding the current president's reelection chances, I think a predictable number of the same people who voted for him the first time will vote for him again, and for the same reasons. All nations are comprised of makers and takers. Obama's already got the takers vote nailed down no matter if there were any positive accomplishments during his administration or not.

Plus he's got the self-serving support of Wall Street banksters, and the almost Pavlovian support of the unrepentant horde of liberals in academia, media, and law.

But really, does it matter when all is said and done? We didn't want TARP and Washington implemented it anyway. We didn't want Obamacare, and Washington implemented it anyway. Y'know, if I didn't know any better I'd swear it didn't matter who was in the White House.



wheelrite Offline
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rfenst wrote:
Yeah, but he probably had hair...


That was a racist comment...d'oh!
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SEALs slam Obama for using them as 'ammunition' in bid to take credit for bin Laden killing during election

Serving and former US Navy SEALs have slammed President Barack Obama for taking the credit for killing Osama bin Laden and accused him of using Special Forces operators as ‘ammunition’ for his re-election campaign.
The SEALs spoke out to MailOnline after the Obama campaign released an ad entitled ‘One Chance’.
In it President Bill Clinton is featured saying that Mr Obama took ‘the harder and the more honourable path’ in ordering that bin Laden be killed. The words ‘Which path would Mitt Romney have taken?’ are then displayed.
Besides the ad, the White House is marking the first anniversary of the SEAL Team Six raid that killed bin Laden inside his compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan with a series of briefings and an NBC interview in the Situation Room designed to highlight the ‘gutsy call’ made by the President.

Mr Obama used a news conference today to trumpet his personal role and imply that his Republican opponent Mr Romney, who in 2008 expressed reservations about the wisdom of sending troops into Pakistan, would have let bin Laden live.

‘I said that I'd go after bin Laden if we had a clear shot at him, and I did,’ Mr Obama said. ‘If there are others who have said one thing and now suggest they'd do something else, then I'd go ahead and let them explain it.’


Ryan Zinke, a former Commander in the US Navy who spent 23 years as a SEAL and led a SEAL Team 6 assault unit, said: ‘The decision was a no brainer. I applaud him for making it but I would not overly pat myself on the back for making the right call.

‘I think every president would have done the same. He is justified in saying it was his decision but the preparation, the sacrifice - it was a broader team effort.’

Mr Zinke, who is now a Republican state senator in Montana, added that MR Obama was exploiting bin Laden’s death for his re-election bid. ‘The President and his administration are positioning him as a war president using the SEALs as ammunition. It was predictable.’

Mr Obama has faced criticism even from allies about his decision to make a campaign ad about the bin Laden raid. Arianna Huffington, an outspoken liberal who runs the left-leaning Huffington Post website, roundly condemned it.
She told CBS: ‘We should celebrate the fact that they did such a great job. It's one thing to have an NBC special from the Situation Room... all that to me is perfectly legitimate, but to turn it into a campaign ad is one of the most despicable things you can do.’

Campaigning in Portsmouth, New Hampshire, Mr Romney responded to a shouted question by a reporter by saying: ‘Even Jimmy Carter would have given that order.’

A serving SEAL Team member said: ‘Obama wasn’t in the field, at risk, carrying a gun. As president, at every turn he should be thanking the guys who put their lives on the line to do this. He does so in his official speeches because he speechwriters are smart.

‘But the more he tries to take the credit for it, the more the ground operators are saying, “Come on, man!” It really didn’t matter who was president. At the end of the day, they were going to go.’

Chris Kyle, a former SEAL sniper with 160 confirmed and another 95 unconfirmed kills to his credit, said: ‘The operation itself was great and the nation felt immense pride. It was great that we did it.

‘But bin Laden was just a figurehead. The war on terror continues. Taking him out didn’t really change anything as far as the war on terror is concerned and using it as a political attack is a cheap shot.

‘In years to come there is going to be information that will come out that Obama was not the man who made the call. He can say he did and the people who really know what happened are inside the Pentagon, are in the military and the military isn’t allowed to speak out against the commander- in-chief so his secret is safe.’


Senior military figures have said that Admiral William McRaven, a former SEAL who was then head of Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC) made the decision to take bin Laden out. Tactical decisions were delegated even further down the chain of command.

Mr Kyle added: ‘He's trying to say that Romney wouldn't have made the same call? Anyone who is patriotic to this country would have made that exact call, Democrat or Republican. Obama is taking more credit than he is due but it's going to get him some pretty good mileage.’

A former intelligence official who was serving in the US government when bin Laden was killed said that the Obama administration knew about the al-Qaeda leader’s whereabouts in October 2010 but delayed taking action and risked letting him escape.

‘In the end, Obama was forced to make a decision and do it. He knew that if he didn’t do it the political risks in not taking action were huge. Mitt Romney would have made the call but he would have made it earlier – as would George W. Bush.’

Brandon Webb, a former SEAL who spent 13 years on active duty and served in Iraq and Afghanistan, said: ‘Bush should get partial credit for putting the system in place.

‘Obama inherited a very robust package with regards to special ops and the intelligence community. But Obama deserves credit because he got bin Laden – you can’t take that away from him.

‘My friends that work in Special Operations Command (SOCOM) that have been on video teleconferences with Obama on these kill or capture situations say that Obama has no issue whatsoever with making decisions and typically it's kill. He’s hitting the kill button every time. I have a lot of respect for him for that.’

But he said that many SEALs were dismayed about the amount of publicity the Obama administration had generated about SEAL Team Six, the very existence of which is highly classified.

‘The majority of the SEALs I know are really proud of the operation but it does become “OK, enough is enough – we’re ready to get back to work and step out of the limelight.” They don’t want to be continuously paraded around a global audience like a show dog.

‘Obama has a very good relationship with the Special Operations community at large, especially the SEALs, and it’s nice to see. We had the same relationship with George W. Bush when he was president.’

It was ‘stretching a little much’ for Mr Obama to suggest only he would have made the decision. ‘I personally I don't think Romney would have any problem making tough decisions. He got a very accomplished record of making decision as a business professional.

‘He may not have charisma but he clearly has leadership skills. I don’t think he'd have any problem taking that decision.’

Clint Bruce, who gave up the chance of an NFL career to serve as a SEAL officer before retiring as a lieutenant after nine years, said: ‘We were extremely surprised and discouraged by the publicity because it compromises the ability of those guys to operate.

‘It’s a waste of time to speculate about who would and wouldn’t have made that decision. It was a symphony of opportunity and intelligence that allowed this administration to give the green light. We want to acknowledge that they made that decision.

‘Politicians should let the public know where they stand on national security but not in the play-by-play, detailed way that has been done recently. The intricacies of national security should not become part of stump speeches.’


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2137636/SEALs-slam-Obama-using-ammunition-bid-credit-bin-Laden-killing-election-campaign.html#ixzz1tbtGvtz3



Had to be forced into making the decision is what's coming out. The ONLY thing the Kenyan King can run on and his abhorring attitude towards the military and foot dragging is even making his stretch a wild claim!
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At least Obama et al didn't fumble the chance this time, like Clinton did years ago.

Kill em when you've got em in your crosshairs.

Beer
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsrSAqRrCc0&
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Stinkdyr wrote:
At least Obama et al didn't fumble the chance this time, like Clinton did years ago.

Kill em when you've got em in your crosshairs.

Beer



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsT4Tmc_K4g

He wanted a photo, but settled.
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AFTER REFERRING TO THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED AS THE KENNYON KING TWICE
IN CASE ANYONE THAT READS YOUR **** DOESN'T REMEMBER 1. YOU ARE CERTAIN THAT
DARKER SKIN PEOPLE ARE NOT UP TO THE STANDARDS YOU ATTRIBUTE TO LIGHTER SKIN
PEOPLE. ALBINO BEING THE ULTIMATE COLOR, AND 2. THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
OF AMERICA IS ONE OF THE DARKER PERSUAISSION, YOU HAVE PRETTY MUCH SAID ALL YOU
HAVE OF RELEVANCE TO SAY ABOUT ANYTHING.
YOU ARE DISMISSED.
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RICKAMAVEN wrote:
AFTER REFERRING TO THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED AS THE KENNYON KING TWICE
IN CASE ANYONE THAT READS YOUR **** DOESN'T REMEMBER 1. YOU ARE CERTAIN THAT
DARKER SKIN PEOPLE ARE NOT UP TO THE STANDARDS YOU ATTRIBUTE TO LIGHTER SKIN
PEOPLE. ALBINO BEING THE ULTIMATE COLOR, AND 2. THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
OF AMERICA IS ONE OF THE DARKER PERSUAISSION, YOU HAVE PRETTY MUCH SAID ALL YOU
HAVE OF RELEVANCE TO SAY ABOUT ANYTHING.
YOU ARE DISMISSED.


Well Rick.
If he had a nice rack and was against tax cuts you'd call him a Kenyan Kunt..
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RICKAMAVEN wrote:
AFTER REFERRING TO THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED AS THE KENNYON KING TWICE
IN CASE ANYONE THAT READS YOUR **** DOESN'T REMEMBER 1. YOU ARE CERTAIN THAT
DARKER SKIN PEOPLE ARE NOT UP TO THE STANDARDS YOU ATTRIBUTE TO LIGHTER SKIN
PEOPLE. ALBINO BEING THE ULTIMATE COLOR, AND 2. THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
OF AMERICA IS ONE OF THE DARKER PERSUAISSION, YOU HAVE PRETTY MUCH SAID ALL YOU
HAVE OF RELEVANCE TO SAY ABOUT ANYTHING.
YOU ARE DISMISSED.



Jane, you ignorant slut.

Somehow you believe this Empty Suit to be qualified.

He is not. His learning on the job has run it's course. Youth cannot get a job. If you're black, get in the back of the line because they're in triple digits when it comes to being disenfranchised. Jewish people are leaving in droves from the Democratic party and you...you? You're the turd that won't flush.

You're the dumb **** that thinks because I call him the Kenyan King I'm making some racial slur. You're an idiot that cannot type nor even clean your own ass much less your house. You're a despicable leech that calls women c u n t s because you lack the proper dignity your upbringing deserted on your worthless butt. You've been trying to paint me into a corner as far as some racial angle as long as I've been posting here. Good luck with that old filthy man. That dog don't hunt. Anyone that can read or has met me knows full damn well there isn't a racist bone in my body. You're just an old fool that blathers on because that's what you do when you lose you're freaking mind. I seriously doubt you ever had one. I think you're a decrepit old codger that uses his age as some crutch. You're worthless beyond compare and provide nothing useful. Nice try old man. This POS tool in the White House hasn't provided a birth certificate. He's spent MILLIONS in courts trying to lawyer his way out of it too. WAKE UP old man...lime jello in the dayroom!
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