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DrafterX Offline
#1 Posted: Fri, Jun 15 2012, 9:07 AM EST
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Obama administration to offer Immunity to younger immigrants
Published June 15, 2012
Associated Press

The Obama administration will stop deporting and begin giving work permits to younger illegal immigrants who came to the U.S. as children and have since led law-abiding lives. The election-year initiative addresses a top priority of a growing Latino electorate that has opposed administration deportation policies.

The administration's decision will affect as many as 800,000 immigrants. Two senior administration officials described the plan on condition of anonymity ahead of its expected announcement Friday.

Illegal immigrants will avoid deportation and be eligible for work permits if they arrived in the U.S. before age 16, are younger than 30, have been in the country for at least five continuous years, have no criminal history, graduated from a U.S. high school or earned a GED, or served in the military.



Film at 11...... Think Think
z6joker9 Offline
#2 Posted: Fri, Jun 15 2012, 9:11 AM EST
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Sounds okay to me?
DrafterX Offline
#3 Posted: Fri, Jun 15 2012, 9:12 AM EST
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I'm kinda ok with it.... interesting timing tho... Mellow
tailgater Offline
#4 Posted: Fri, Jun 15 2012, 9:23 AM EST
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Nope.
Too many loop holes.

Ship them all out and give them priority status to return.
Or process them through the system without deporting them, and have the numbers count against the immigration quotas for that specific country.

Granting "immunity" generates a greater fervor for tomorrows gate-rush.
DrafterX Offline
#5 Posted: Fri, Jun 15 2012, 9:33 AM EST
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can't blame the kid for being smuggled over.... but ya, I see lots of loopholes... define trouble.. if you're taking a GED doesn't that usually mean you screwed up highschool..?? I know there are exceptions... The military service thing I say OK tho... Mellow
DrafterX Offline
#6 Posted: Fri, Jun 15 2012, 9:46 AM EST
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How does an illegal (are we still allowed to use that name..??} join the military anyway..?? forged documents..?? Huh
cacman Offline
#7 Posted: Fri, Jun 15 2012, 9:48 AM EST
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I don't dig it!!! Why is a freakin immigrant entitled to more benefits being handed to them than a native citizen???

Timing?!?!? Give them more of what they want and they will surely vote for you!!! Obama's buy-a-vote campaign begins...
DrMaddVibe Offline
#8 Posted: Fri, Jun 15 2012, 9:49 AM EST
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"The world needs more ditch diggers"horse
DrafterX Offline
#9 Posted: Fri, Jun 15 2012, 9:51 AM EST
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Nice play by Obama.... so do we give the kid immunity and deport the parents..??
DrMaddVibe Offline
#10 Posted: Fri, Jun 15 2012, 9:59 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Nice play by Obama.... so do we give the kid immunity and deport the parents..??



Kids yes...parents...we lop off their heads and send them back to Mexico!
Rclay Offline
#11 Posted: Fri, Jun 15 2012, 10:02 AM EST
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+ 10000 to cacman

Citizens are treated like prisoners and Mexican citizens here illegally are gifted so much. It's crap. How about the Mexican citizens go home and force a change in their own country and make it worth living in.
FuzzNJ Offline
#12 Posted: Fri, Jun 15 2012, 12:05 PM EST
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Rclay wrote:
+ 10000 to cacman

Citizens are treated like prisoners and Mexican citizens here illegally are gifted so much. It's crap.


Yeah, it's so unfair. Those 800k mexicans that won't be deported now will screw us, take our jobs and all our money. Sure they only represent less that 1/2 of 1% of our workforce, but they hold so much power over us. The top 1% having over 40% of the wealth, but pointing that out is 'class warfare', so quick, look at the Mexicans!!!! They're the ones causing all the problems.

Now bring me another goat to sacrifice!
DrMaddVibe Offline
#13 Posted: Fri, Jun 15 2012, 12:10 PM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Yeah, it's so unfair. Those 800k mexicans that won't be deported now will screw us, take our jobs and all our money. Sure they only represent less that 1/2 of 1% of our workforce, but they hold so much power over us. The top 1% having over 40% of the wealth, but pointing that out is 'class warfare', so quick, look at the Mexicans!!!! They're the ones causing all the problems.

Now bring me another goat to sacrifice!




Settle down little Princess. Nobody is too worried about you stealing anyone's job. So we can afford to have about 800K fill the void of 1 American.
tailgater Offline
#14 Posted: Fri, Jun 15 2012, 2:04 PM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Yeah, it's so unfair. Those 800k mexicans that won't be deported now will screw us, take our jobs and all our money. Sure they only represent less that 1/2 of 1% of our workforce, but they hold so much power over us. The top 1% having over 40% of the wealth, but pointing that out is 'class warfare', so quick, look at the Mexicans!!!! They're the ones causing all the problems.

Now bring me another goat to sacrifice!




So we should let anyone come here without restriction simply because it won't take away my job?
FuzzNJ Offline
#15 Posted: Fri, Jun 15 2012, 2:11 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
So we should let anyone come here without restriction simply because it won't take away my job?



Yes. Exactly what I wrote. You are amazing.
tailgater Offline
#16 Posted: Fri, Jun 15 2012, 2:39 PM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Yes. Exactly what I wrote. You are amazing.


Many subjects have grey area.
This one doesn't.

If a person is here illegally, they should be either deported, or jailed, or processed into the system. This last option is not the same as immunity because immunity becomes an escape clause with ramifications beyond its intent.

To sit there an try to minimize the impact of the illegal population like you did in your previous post is absurd.
The overall numbers on a nationwide level may seem insignificant to you, but you must realize that these populations are concentrated in just a few major areas. And to those locations, the impact is catastrophic. You do a disservice to the discussion when you trivialize the data for your own self serving purpose.
FuzzNJ Offline
#17 Posted: Fri, Jun 15 2012, 4:09 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Many subjects have grey area.
This one doesn't.

If a person is here illegally, they should be either deported, or jailed, or processed into the system. This last option is not the same as immunity because immunity becomes an escape clause with ramifications beyond its intent.

To sit there an try to minimize the impact of the illegal population like you did in your previous post is absurd.
The overall numbers on a nationwide level may seem insignificant to you, but you must realize that these populations are concentrated in just a few major areas. And to those locations, the impact is catastrophic. You do a disservice to the discussion when you trivialize the data for your own self serving purpose.



I missed the part where Obama gave out this 'immunity' to all the people responsible for your economic woes.
deadeyedick Offline
#18 Posted: Sat, Jun 16 2012, 12:22 PM EST
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This sounds good to me. As long as we can decide which laws we will enforce and which ones we will just overlook I guess this means I don't have to pay $150 and go to driving school for my ticket for going 45 in a 35 zone.

Or is that just a dream? Think

DED
HockeyDad Offline
#19 Posted: Sat, Jun 16 2012, 12:43 PM EST
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Just write on the ticket "Obama Cone of Protection" and mail it in.
DadZilla3 Offline
#20 Posted: Sat, Jun 16 2012, 1:21 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Just write on the ticket "Obama Cone of Protection" and mail it in.

That also works for audit notices from the I.R.S. *


*Certain restrictions apply.

Namely, you have to be a government higher-up with a 'D' as your party affiliation.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#21 Posted: Sat, Jun 16 2012, 2:07 PM EST
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=J9isifcg9ik#!
jackconrad Offline
#22 Posted: Sat, Jun 16 2012, 9:06 PM EST
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Immunity ? You mean no more Polio ?
HOORAY!
TMCTLT Offline
#23 Posted: Sat, Jun 16 2012, 9:59 PM EST
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Don't get me **** started.......ram27bat
cacman Offline
#24 Posted: Sun, Jun 17 2012, 7:30 AM EST
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So if I understand this correctly... If my parents robbed a bank 20yrs ago (without my consent), and I've lived graciously off their bad actions, took advantage of every "free" benefit offered to me by the guberment, including free food, money, housing, education, tax breaks, etc... I'm now going to be given immunity and offered more??? That's a good deal right?? Who do I vote for again?

I don't like it one bit!!!

How can one person pass a law that SO many are against. I thought this was a democracy???
FuzzNJ Offline
#25 Posted: Sun, Jun 17 2012, 8:51 AM EST
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cacman wrote:
So if I understand this correctly... If my parents robbed a bank 20yrs ago (without my consent), and I've lived graciously off their bad actions, took advantage of every "free" benefit offered to me by the guberment, including free food, money, housing, education, tax breaks, etc... I'm now going to be given immunity and offered more??? That's a good deal right?? Who do I vote for again?

I don't like it one bit!!!

How can one person pass a law that SO many are against. I thought this was a democracy???


brilliant comparison Sarcasm

"I thought this was a democracy???"

lmao
DrMaddVibe Offline
#26 Posted: Mon, Jun 18 2012, 8:30 AM EST
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Let the Latino pandering begin!

Arriba Arriba Andale Andale
DrafterX Offline
#27 Posted: Mon, Jun 18 2012, 8:32 AM EST
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still wondering how an illegal can get in to the military.. Think Think
DrafterX Offline
#28 Posted: Mon, Jun 18 2012, 8:39 AM EST
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if this happens will we have to make formal apologies to previous deporties under 30..?? Huh
tailgater Offline
#29 Posted: Mon, Jun 18 2012, 11:15 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
if this happens will we have to make formal apologies to previous deporties under 30..?? Huh


If so, we know just the man to do it.
dpnewell Offline
#30 Posted: Mon, Jun 18 2012, 12:57 PM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:


"I thought this was a democracy???"

lmao



I can understand how he may have gotten confused, with all the dumb arse (usually Democrat) politicians and media type always referring to our Representative Republic as a Democracy.

Point is, in a Representative Republic, one person (don’t give a damn which party they belong to) shouldn’t be permitted to change the law of the land, as if this where a Dictatorship.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#31 Posted: Mon, Jun 18 2012, 1:05 PM EST
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TOGA...TOGA...TOGA!!!whip
DrafterX Offline
#32 Posted: Mon, Jun 18 2012, 1:17 PM EST
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I'm thinking the age needs to be 21 instead of 30.... and if they aren't in school or the military now they gotta go... how many illegals under 30 have graduated and collecting unemployment or are on the welfare right now..?? Huh
DrMaddVibe Offline
#33 Posted: Mon, Jun 18 2012, 1:31 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
I'm thinking the age needs to be 21 instead of 30.... and if they aren't in school or the military now they gotta go... how many illegals under 30 have graduated and collecting unemployment or are on the welfare right now..?? Huh



Quick...how old are Obama's illegal aunt and uncle?
DrafterX Offline
#34 Posted: Mon, Jun 18 2012, 1:34 PM EST
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Think
bloody spaniard Offline
#35 Posted: Mon, Jun 18 2012, 2:14 PM EST
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No need for borders or private property for that matter... let's all share what we've got.
(cue John Lennon's Imagine) Dancing
DrafterX Offline
#36 Posted: Mon, Jun 18 2012, 2:46 PM EST
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'Can We All Just Get Along?'".... Huh
TMCTLT Offline
#37 Posted: Tue, Jun 19 2012, 2:11 PM EST
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Here's an interesting dynamic noone seems o give any consideration. While most everyone agrees the whole "lack of immigration Policy Enforcement" is all about creating a new" substantial voter base" during election cycles in our country. What about the likelyhood (considering both parties have pulled this chit" that the federal government w/ an elbow from corporate America intentionally replacing much of the workforce or at the very least driving DOWN wages in this country??
Thoughts.....Think
DrafterX Offline
#38 Posted: Tue, Jun 19 2012, 2:13 PM EST
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I think it's about time for a beer..... Beer
HockeyDad Offline
#39 Posted: Tue, Jun 19 2012, 2:13 PM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
Here's an interesting dynamic noone seems o give any consideration. While most everyone agrees the whole "lack of immigration Policy Enforcement" is all about creating a new" substantial voter base" during election cycles in our country. What about the likelyhood (considering both parties have pulled this chit" that the federal government w/ an elbow from corporate America intentionally replacing or at the very least driving DOWN wages in this country??
Thoughts.....Think




We globalists would never do something like that.
Stinkdyr Offline
#40 Posted: Tue, Jun 19 2012, 2:18 PM EST
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Why have laws?
Why have borders?


Think
TMCTLT Offline
#41 Posted: Tue, Jun 19 2012, 2:23 PM EST
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Stinkdyr wrote:
Why have laws?
Why have borders?


Think



Patience.....they're trying to do away with both, oh wait one down one to go......
DrafterX Offline
#42 Posted: Tue, Jun 19 2012, 2:27 PM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
Here's an interesting dynamic noone seems o give any consideration. While most everyone agrees the whole "lack of immigration Policy Enforcement" is all about creating a new" substantial voter base" during election cycles in our country. What about the likelyhood (considering both parties have pulled this chit" that the federal government w/ an elbow from corporate America intentionally replacing much of the workforce or at the very least driving DOWN wages in this country??
Thoughts.....Think



I dunno Paul... could be an end result eventually but that would be a pretty long term plan... I blame ethanol.... Mellow
cacman Offline
#43 Posted: Mon, Jun 25 2012, 1:35 PM EST
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If you travel to another country, are you not required to carry a passport and other documents?
So why do the immigrants have a problem with it here???

If you don't like it, go back to your own country. As Rclay stated above "How about the Mexican citizens go home and force a change in their own country and make it worth living in."
DrMaddVibe Offline
#44 Posted: Mon, Jun 25 2012, 1:43 PM EST
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cacman wrote:
If you travel to another country, are you not required to carry a passport and other documents?
So why do the immigrants have a problem with it here???

If you don't like it, go back to your own country. As Rclay stated above "How about the Mexican citizens go home and force a change in their own country and make it worth living in."



We've created a "haven" for their poor behavior. Don't follow the laws their own country forces on immigration but come over here and bust our economy. That just sounds like they're too lazy to change anything and won't either!

Once we end the education...medical treatment and employment opportunities tied to illegals they'll stop doing it.

Just for kicks...do a bit of research on how the Mexican governemt treats Guatemalans and Hondurans that cross their border illegaly!
DrafterX Offline
#45 Posted: Mon, Jun 25 2012, 2:23 PM EST
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Another kick in da balls for Arizona...

Feds suspend immigration enforcement program after Arizona court ruling
Published June 25, 2012
FoxNews.com

In the wake of the Supreme Court's decision on Arizona's immigration law, Obama administration officials announced Monday they are suspending in the state a key program that allowed state and local law enforcement to enforce federal immigration law.

The move further weakens efforts by Arizona, and potentially other states, to take the reins on immigration enforcement.

The high court decision Monday struck down three provisions in Arizona's law but left in place a central plank that required local law enforcement during routine stops to check the immigration status of anyone they suspect is in the country illegally.

Obama administration officials and congressional Democrats immediately raised concerns this could lead to "racial profiling," though Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer adamantly denies it. To address those concerns, Obama administration officials moved Monday to pull back on enforcement cooperation with local jurisdictions -- meaning that even if local police step up immigration checks, they'll have to rely on federal officials to make the arrests.

Federal officials said the program known as 287(g) would be immediately rescinded in Arizona. That program was a partnership between federal and local governments, and allowed local authorities to make immigration-based arrests.

Officials also said Immigration and Customs Enforcement will be selective in responding to the expected increase in calls from Arizona and other police agencies about immigration status of people they pull over. Officials said ICE will not respond to the scene unless the person in question meets certain criteria -- such as being wanted for a felony



Film at 11..... Not talking
Buckwheat Offline
#46 Posted: Mon, Jun 25 2012, 2:31 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Or process them through the system without deporting them, and have the numbers count against the immigration quotas for that specific country.

Granting "immunity" generates a greater fervor for tomorrows gate-rush.



Well said and I agree with any plan that wouldn't grant them immunity and doesn't deport them but leads to a path of legal status &/or citizenship. Applause
cacman Offline
#47 Posted: Mon, Jun 25 2012, 2:36 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Officials said ICE will not respond to the scene unless the person in question meets certain criteria -- such as being wanted for a felony.

Fuqqin azzbags in our guberment and courts... HELLO!!! Isn't being here illegally a felony???
Buckwheat Offline
#48 Posted: Mon, Jun 25 2012, 2:42 PM EST
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cacman wrote:
Fuqqin azzbags in our guberment and courts... HELLO!!! Isn't being here illegally a felony???


Good question. Probably not on the federal level but I'm sure that locally it varies from state to state.

Don't have time to read all of them but here is a link to Immigration laws.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_immigration_legislation
DrafterX Offline
#49 Posted: Mon, Jun 25 2012, 2:44 PM EST
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Arizona will be needing a whole bunch of throw-downs.... Mellow
cacman Offline
#50 Posted: Mon, Jun 25 2012, 2:47 PM EST
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Buckwheat wrote:
Good question. Probably not on the federal level but I'm sure that locally it varies from state to state.

As our guberment stated today, it is not supposed to vary from State to State.

Forged documents, stolen social security numbers and tax evasion scream "felony" to me. If smoking a joint is a felony, then breaking into our country illegally sure as hell should be!!!
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