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tailgater Offline
#1 Posted: Wed, Jun 27 2012, 6:32 PM EST
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I can't say enough how much the UAW sucks.

Just received a magazine/Obama propaganda in the mail.

In the words of today's youth: O M G !

What a bunch of rubbish for the weak minded.

From telling people that if they don't work for a union then they're likely to get fired, to blaming our economic woes on Bush (I had to read that one twice, since we're now nearing the end of a full term for Obama. I guess his blame game has rubbed off on these buffoons.).


The NRA is a right wing propaganda machine for the GOP.
But gun owners aren't forced to join the NRA if they don't want to support the Republicans.
How is this allowed, when many in the UAW don't want to genuflect to Obama like this leftist rag suggests?
schusler Offline
#2 Posted: Wed, Jun 27 2012, 6:39 PM EST
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what?
FuzzNJ Offline
#3 Posted: Wed, Jun 27 2012, 6:46 PM EST
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schusler wrote:
what?


+1
rfenst Offline
#4 Posted: Wed, Jun 27 2012, 7:00 PM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
+1


+2
HockeyDad Offline
#5 Posted: Wed, Jun 27 2012, 7:24 PM EST
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Honey Pot outrage!
rfenst Offline
#6 Posted: Wed, Jun 27 2012, 8:32 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Honey Pot outrage!


SWEET!
sd72 Offline
#7 Posted: Wed, Jun 27 2012, 8:34 PM EST
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Can always not be in the UAW. I don't like all the politics and garbage and corruption and lies from my union, but the same job here non union pays half.
wheelrite Offline
#8 Posted: Wed, Jun 27 2012, 8:38 PM EST
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I like cars...
engletl Offline
#9 Posted: Wed, Jun 27 2012, 9:05 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
I can't say enough how much the UAW sucks.

Just received a magazine/Obama propaganda in the mail.

In the words of today's youth: O M G !

What a bunch of rubbish for the weak minded.

From telling people that if they don't work for a union then they're likely to get fired, to blaming our economic woes on Bush (I had to read that one twice, since we're now nearing the end of a full term for Obama. I guess his blame game has rubbed off on these buffoons.).


The NRA is a right wing propaganda machine for the GOP.
But gun owners aren't forced to join the NRA if they don't want to support the Republicans.
How is this allowed, when many in the UAW don't want to genuflect to Obama like this leftist rag suggests?



Was the same way when I was a member of IBEW...always telling us to vote democrat. Yet I work in the military industrial complex and everyone knows democrats dont like to fund that
engletl Offline
#10 Posted: Wed, Jun 27 2012, 9:06 PM EST
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sd72 wrote:
Can always not be in the UAW. I don't like all the politics and garbage and corruption and lies from my union, but the same job here non union pays half.

Half??? what state do you live in that allows that? here in MS non union gets the same pay as union
sd72 Offline
#11 Posted: Wed, Jun 27 2012, 9:10 PM EST
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Michigan.
chiefburg Offline
#12 Posted: Wed, Jun 27 2012, 9:13 PM EST
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They are buying votes via union wages.....been going on forever.....
sd72 Offline
#13 Posted: Wed, Jun 27 2012, 9:16 PM EST
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It's not a matter of the state allowing it. If your non union you make your best deal with a company and your done. Move to another company and start again.
The state only garuntees minimum wage.
wheelrite Offline
#14 Posted: Wed, Jun 27 2012, 9:23 PM EST
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It seems simple to me...

IF, you wanna build cars you gotta join the UAW,,,

so, do what you gotta do to get by and find some joy in every day ,regardless..
engletl Offline
#15 Posted: Wed, Jun 27 2012, 9:38 PM EST
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sd72 wrote:
It's not a matter of the state allowing it. If your non union you make your best deal with a company and your done. Move to another company and start again.
The state only garuntees minimum wage.

Actually it is that simple.

States that are "Right to Work" non-union get the same deal that union gets
wheelrite Offline
#16 Posted: Wed, Jun 27 2012, 9:43 PM EST
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engletl wrote:
Actually it is that simple.

States that are "Right to Work" non-union get the same deal that union gets


Hmmm ?

I don't think the BMW factory in SC does...
sd72 Offline
#17 Posted: Wed, Jun 27 2012, 9:46 PM EST
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Right to work, open shop, whatever you wanna term it, is a way to break unions.
The state requires equal pay within a shop, plant, on a site or project. Non union actually make more, no union dues to be paid, ect.
When enough people drop out and the union goes away due to no funds, who do you get equal pay to?
That's when minimum wage will be your high water mark.
engletl Offline
#18 Posted: Wed, Jun 27 2012, 9:48 PM EST
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sd72 wrote:
Right to work, open shop, whatever you wanna term it, is a way to break unions.
The state requires equal pay within a shop, plant, on a site or project. Non union actually make more, no union dues to be paid, ect.
When enough people drop out and the union goes away due to no funds, who do you get equal pay to?
That's when minimum wage will be your high water mark.

Interesting. Hasn't been the case here, then again the company I work for is pretty good to its employees
rfenst Offline
#19 Posted: Wed, Jun 27 2012, 10:09 PM EST
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engletl wrote:
Half??? what state do you live in that allows that? here in MS non union gets the same pay as union


So, non-union gets a free ride.
schusler Offline
#20 Posted: Wed, Jun 27 2012, 10:09 PM EST
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I thought Obama was making people manufacture cars against their will?
rfenst Offline
#21 Posted: Wed, Jun 27 2012, 10:11 PM EST
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sd72 wrote:
Right to work, open shop, whatever you wanna term it, is a way to break unions.
The state requires equal pay within a shop, plant, on a site or project. Non union actually make more, no union dues to be paid, ect.
When enough people drop out and the union goes away due to no funds, who do you get equal pay to?
That's when minimum wage will be your high water mark.


And, that is when the union will rise again. Ebb and flow...
sd72 Offline
#22 Posted: Wed, Jun 27 2012, 10:14 PM EST
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Engletl,

You're a state licensed master electrician, working on a military base. You're not easily replaceable.
License obviously, one issue. Background clear for you, and company E-verify compliant.
I'm taking this for granted based on your posts.
Not so for a line worker in the UAW, who's only wrong doing may be having been with the company too long, and now makes 'too much'.
Be like you getting your journeymans card after apprenticeship and losing your job because new apprentices are cheaper. Start a new trade at that point?
I'm a union carpenter, Im not really worried about being replaced. Any one wants this job can have it.
However, companies can't just discard employees for the next cheaper batch, if there's going to be any quality of life for working people. Union or not.

Steve.
engletl Offline
#23 Posted: Wed, Jun 27 2012, 10:22 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
So, non-union gets a free ride.


Yep...just no union rep if reprimanded
engletl Offline
#24 Posted: Wed, Jun 27 2012, 10:30 PM EST
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sd72 wrote:
Engletl,

You're a state licensed master electrician, working on a military base. You're not easily replaceable.
License obviously, one issue. Background clear for you, and company E-verify compliant.
I'm taking this for granted based on your posts.
Not so for a line worker in the UAW, who's only wrong doing may be having been with the company too long, and now makes 'too much'.
Be like you getting your journeymans card after apprenticeship and losing your job because new apprentices are cheaper. Start a new trade at that point?
I'm a union carpenter, Im not really worried about being replaced. Any one wants this job can have it.
However, companies can't just discard employees for the next cheaper batch, if there's going to be any quality of life for working people. Union or not.

Steve.


Actually I am no longer a "Marine" electrician (Not a military base either, we build ships), gave that up about 10 years ago to move into the Business Management side (I am a Cost Analyst now) and we are "salary" with no representation. But I am making almost double what I would have if I was still a Craftsman.

Fortunately for the craft workers there is a strict ratio required between First Class and Apprentices (IIRC it is like 5 or 6 to 1)

I totally agree with the lack of respect towards knowledgeable worker vs "green" labor. To much "green" destroys learning curves and that drives up costs
rfenst Offline
#25 Posted: Wed, Jun 27 2012, 10:32 PM EST
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sd72 wrote:
...companies can't just discard employees for the next cheaper batch, if there's going to be any quality of life for working people. Union or not.


But, that's the American way!
HockeyDad Offline
#26 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 6:45 AM EST
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If that were true, every job announcement would say "no experience required."
tailgater Offline
#27 Posted: Fri, Jun 29 2012, 8:55 AM EST
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First post is confusing.

In the mail, my wife received a UAW magazine. She's a teacher and at her newest job she was automatically placed into the union. No choice in the matter.
She has requested to opt out, but she can not until she meets with the local union personnel. The earliest appointment is in the fall.

Anyhow, she gets this UAW rag. I don't know the exact relationship between the UAW and her teaching union, but it's address to her and could not be a coincidence.

So I'm curious about the content. Not in the same way I'm curious why HockeyDad is so fond of sharing his stool at the Honey Pot with two close friends. Rather, I'm curious in much the same way people stare at the automobile accident: you want to see the disfigured body, but are sorry if you actually catch a glimpse.

This magazine is an unabashed political ad for Obama/Biden.
The title is "Solidarity: How We Vote"
The information inside is nothing more than liberal opinions, but they are disguised as facts.

I will share some of the tidbits if I get an opportunity.
If anyone else has received this I'd be interested to hear your opinion on it.
tailgater Offline
#28 Posted: Fri, Jun 29 2012, 9:11 AM EST
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sd72 wrote:

However, companies can't just discard employees for the next cheaper batch, if there's going to be any quality of life for working people. Union or not.

Steve.


Well OK.
As long as we're not going to use alarmist strategy to discuss the topic...
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