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Obama ad doesn't stand up to the facts
fishinguitarman Offline
#1 Posted:
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Desperate Lies!




Undeterred by independent fact-checkers that have debunked the thrust of their claims, the Obama campaign is redoubling attacks on Mitt Romney as an "outsourcer" in a new TV ad airing in eight battleground states.

The 30-second spot — titled "The Problem" — claims Romney condoned the Chinese "taking our jobs and taking a lot of our future."

"He made a fortune letting it happen," the narrator says, focusing on Bain Capital outsourcing to China, a country Romney has vowed to challenge as president.

It's the latest in a steady drumbeat of negative attacks on Romney's record as a corporate buyout specialist, alleging he profited off of deliberately bankrupting companies and sending jobs overseas.

The inclusion of China in the new ad also comes as Obama tries to bolster his image as a hard-liner against China. On Thursday, the administration lodged a new complaint against China at the World Trade Organization, challenging tariffs on U.S. auto exports. The case coincided with Obama's campaign bus tour through auto manufacturing country of Ohio and Pennsylvania.

The Romney campaign called the latest ad a continuation of "desperate lies," citing reports by several independent fact-checkers that have discredited the suggestion that Romney himself had a direct role in relocating U.S. jobs overseas.

"We found no evidence to support the claim that Romney — while he was still running Bain Capital — shipped American jobs overseas," FactCheck.org concluded in a report last month.

Washington Post fact checker Glenn Kessler also concluded that while Bain-owned companies may have engaged in outsourcing, Romney's ties to the practice are tenuous.

The ad blitz comes in spite of Obama's comments to audiences on his bus tour last week decrying the negative tone of the campaign on TV.

"You guys are getting bombarded with all kinds of nonsense on TV. So I know that sometimes politics can be discouraging, and especially Washington politics can be discouraging, and it can seem small and it can seem petty," Obama said Friday.

Independent media monitors that track campaign advertising report that 76 percent of the TV ads Obama's campaign has aired over the past month have had a negative, "anti-Romney" message.

The new ad begins airing Saturday in New Hampshire, Virginia, North Carolina, Florida, Ohio, Iowa, Colorado, and Nevada, the Obama campaign said.


GIBrett Offline
#2 Posted:
Joined: 07-08-2012
Posts: 282
Obama can only run on lies. He has no record to run on because everything he did failed...
teedubbya Offline
#3 Posted:
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Both have to run on lies. Romney changes every day. He was for it before he was against it.

We can do better than either of these buttholes.
HockeyDad Offline
#4 Posted:
Joined: 09-20-2000
Posts: 46,156
The Cone of Protection doesn't need no stinking facts.
Kawak Offline
#5 Posted:
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"Betting on America" Nice slogan. Now America has become a gamble. Time was you could just count on us being the land of opportunity. Now its just a land of opportunistics.
HockeyDad Offline
#6 Posted:
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Kawak wrote:
"Betting on America" Nice slogan. Now America has become a gamble. Time was you could just count on us being the land of opportunity. Now its just a land of opportunistics.



Good point.
rfenst Offline
#7 Posted:
Joined: 06-23-2007
Posts: 39,345
teedubbya wrote:
Both have to run on lies. Romney changes every day. He was for it before he was against it.

We can do better than either of these buttholes.


+1
rfenst Offline
#8 Posted:
Joined: 06-23-2007
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teedubbya wrote:
Both have to run on lies. Romney changes every day. He was for it before he was against it.

We can do better than either of these buttholes.


+1
rfenst Offline
#9 Posted:
Joined: 06-23-2007
Posts: 39,345
teedubbya wrote:
Both have to run on lies. Romney changes every day. He was for it before he was against it.

We can do better than either of these buttholes.


+1
ZRX1200 Offline
#10 Posted:
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You sure?
cacman Offline
#11 Posted:
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Well I sure as hell aren't voting for the butthead that instituted the largest tax increase in US history... that's for sure!!!
FuzzNJ Offline
#12 Posted:
Joined: 06-28-2006
Posts: 13,000
cacman wrote:
Well I sure as hell aren't voting for the butthead that instituted the largest tax increase in US history... that's for sure!!!


Truman isn't running this year, dead.
Next would be Johnson, he's dead.
After that Reagan, also dead.
Clinton follows. Alive! But, he's already had two terms and can't run again.
Then Bush Sr. Now he COULD run again, but I just don't think at his age he would be able to do the job well.

So, watcha talkin' bout?
calavera Offline
#13 Posted:
Joined: 01-26-2002
Posts: 1,868
It is very simple.

If you like how things have been going the last couple of years vote for the guy that is already in there. He won't change.

If you don't like how things have been going the last couple of years, vote for someone else. The other guy might do things the same, but he might be different.


I personally think that if the other guy is even the least bit different, it would be an improvement. I would rather have someone who will close the borders, close the bases overseas, bring all the troops home now, eliminate social programs, legalize all drugs, institute a flat tax and eliminate the irs, shrink the federal government and restore states rights.

Don't see that candidate anywhere, but I will always be looking out for them.
teedubbya Offline
#14 Posted:
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Dude how many times are you going to cut and paste your genius remark. Just pat your self on the back, give the front a little tug and move on.
HockeyDad Offline
#15 Posted:
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Oh my!
teedubbya Offline
#16 Posted:
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Oh my
teedubbya Offline
#17 Posted:
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Look at me look at me!
DrMaddVibe Offline
#18 Posted:
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4 Pinocchios for Obama’s newest anti-Romney ad


The Obama campaign apparently loves to ding former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney with the charge of “outsourcing.” On several occasions, we have faulted the campaign for its claims, apparently to little avail.

Now, all of the claims have been combined in one 30-second ad, with the added incendiary charge that Romney was a “corporate raider.” Let’s look anew at this material.


The Facts


The phrase “corporate raider” has a particular meaning in the world of finance. Here’s the definition on Investopedia:


“An investor who buys a large number of shares in a corporation whose assets appear to be undervalued. The large share purchase would give the corporate raider significant voting rights, which could then be used to push changes in the company’s leadership and management. This would increase share value and thus generate a massive return for the raider.”

In other words, this is generally an adversarial stance, in which an investor sees an undervalued asset and forces management to spin off assets, take the company private or break it up.

In a previous life, The Fact Checker covered renowned corporate raiders such as Carl Icahn and his ilk. We also have closely studied Bain Capital and can find no examples that come close to this situation; its deals were done in close association with management. Indeed, Bain generally held onto its investments for four or five years, in contrast to the quick bust-em-ups of real corporate raiders. So calling Romney a “corporate raider” is a real stretch.

So how does the Obama campaign justify this phrase? It cites a single Reuters story from last August, about a campaign stop in New Hampshire, written by a stringer. Buried in the article is a reference to Romney as a “former corporate raider.”

“Reuters typically refers to Romney as a ‘former private equity executive’ or something along those lines,” said Ros Krasny, the Boston bureau chief. “Of the hundreds of times we have referenced Romney over the past year or more, honestly, that example from [the stringer] must have just slipped through the net — 10 months ago.”

A better source for Romney’s behavior as an investor might be someone who actually worked on Wall Street, such as former Obama auto czar Steven Rattner. “Bain Capital is not now, nor has it ever been, some kind of Gordon Gekko-like, fire-breathing corporate raider that slashed and burned companies, immolating jobs wherever they appear in its path,” Rattner wrote in Politico this year.

Regarding the outsourcing claims, we have frowned on these before. The Obama campaign rests its case on three examples of Bain-controlled companies sending jobs overseas. But only one of the examples — involving Holson Burns Group — took place when Romney was actively managing Bain Capital.

Regarding the other claims, concerning Canadian electronics maker SMTC Manufacturing and customer service firm Modus Media, the Obama campaign tries to take advantage of a gray area in which Romney had stepped down from Bain — to manage the Salt Lake City Olympics — but had not sold his shares in the firm. We had previously given the Obama campaign Three Pinocchios for such tactics.

The Modus Media case is also not an example of shipping jobs overseas. The company closed one plant in California and transferred the jobs to North Carolina, Washington and Utah. At the same time, it opened an unrelated plant in Mexico. The Obama campaign once trumpeted the fact that we had dinged a conservative Super PAC for making the same leap in logic.

The claim that Romney outsourced jobs as governor is equally overblown.

This concerns Romney’s veto of a bill that would have prohibited Massachusetts from contracting with companies that outsourced the state’s work to other countries. Lawmakers were especially concerned about a $160,000-a-month contract with Citigroup to operate a system of electronic food-stamp cards that included a customer phone service center in India.

Both the liberal editorial page of the Boston Globe and conservative editorial page of the Boston Herald urged Romney to veto the amendment, saying it would cost the state money. Romney agreed, saying the measure did not protect state jobs — the call center might have moved from India to another state — but “had the potential of costing our citizens a lot more money.” The Democratic-dominated Massachusetts legislature did not override his veto, even though it overturned 117 others, suggesting that there was little real support for the measure.

When the food-stamp contract expired, the Massachusetts Department of Transitional Assistance insisted that those jobs be returned to the United States. But they ended up in a call center based in Utah — just as Romney had predicted.

As we mentioned, we recounted this ancient Massachusetts history before, giving the campaign Two Pinocchios. So we were very surprised that the Obama campaign cited that critical Fact Checker column as a source for the ad in its back-up materials.

The ad also cites as a source a Boston Globe article from last month that merely reports on an earlier ad making similar charges. That’s highly circular reasoning — and is not fair play.

Upon hearing this ad was under consideration for a tough rating, the Obama campaign supplied reams of additional SEC documents regarding Romney’s ownership in Bain after he left for the Olympics, most of which we had examined previously when we first looked at this question. The campaign also supplied SEC documents showing that two of these companies, Modus and SMTC, as well as one called Stream International (a predecessor of Modus), earned money in part by helping other companies subcontract work overseas. Some of this business predated Romney’s departure from Bain, but thus far it seems a slim case for this particular ad.

“Romney can’t run from his record. At Bain and in Massachusetts, he had the chance to keep jobs in America and sent them overseas instead,” said Kara Carscaden, deputy press secretary for the Obama campaign. “Even while he was at the Olympics, Romney owned and profited from Bain, continues to profit from it today and cannot ignore what Bain did during that time. Whether it’s outsourcing public jobs to India or shipping private ones to Mexico and China, Romney’s record is clear.”




The Pinocchio Test


The Obama campaign fails to make its case. On just about every level, this ad is misleading, unfair and untrue, from the use of “corporate raider” to its examples of alleged outsourcing. Simply repeating the same debunked claims won’t make them any more correct.


Four Pinocchios
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=bVaw5cTjxmk
teedubbya Offline
#19 Posted:
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tell a lie, tell the truth, tell a lie, tell the truth
DrMaddVibe Offline
#20 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
tell a lie, tell the truth, tell a lie, tell the truth



Sad thing is Gibbs said to go to the WP and see what they said...the WP said it was false...the Owedumba campaign of Stupidity says it wasn't!

Will the Real Slim Shady please stand up?
teedubbya Offline
#21 Posted:
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Sad thing is Gibbs said to go to the WP and see what they said...the WP said it was false...the Owedumba campaign of Stupidity says it wasn't!

Will the Real Slim Shady please stand up?


the average person wouldn't really check it so it gives them cred.

its the same as the emails that include a link proving thier point but the link doesn't prove the point.


pretty slimy but actually smart.
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