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Judge Napolitano on What Would Happen If You Refused to Pay for ObamaCare

The IRS is gearing up for its new role as health care cop. The agency, whose main responsibility is to collect taxes, will soon be in charge of enforcing ObamaCare. How can the IRS police a bill that comes with no civil or criminal penalties for those who refuse to pay?

Judge Andrew Napolitano weighed in on the issue on today’s Fox and Friends, saying that if someone chooses to pass on the health care plan, the IRS can withhold tax refunds and put a tax lien on your house.
“Because Mrs. Pelosi and company wanted unanimity amongst the Democrats when the law was enacted and because of some conservative Democrats, interestingly some of them are not going to the Democratic National Convention this year, insisted that some tools be taken away from the IRS, some were. So, the IRS cannot seek an indictment, a criminal charge for those who willfully refuse to pay this. The IRS cannot seize bank accounts or dock wages. The IRS cannot add penalties for your failure to pay, the only thing that keeps adding is interest, and the interest is established by the statute.”

Napolitano said that the scary part about this law is that it provides for 16,000 new IRS agents and funds them for the first four years.

Film at 11.......

gotta wonder where they're gonna work.... prolly gonna havet o build a nice new IRS/Obamacare building with a monumnet and stuff.....

So a fox consultant comes on and says this junk then we follow with outrage...

got it.

I've e-mailed all my friends too.....

vote buyer.......

Union job winning!


Gotta keep the DNC slush funds alive and dependents numbers growing.

Don't forget welfare. Liberals want everyone on welfare and more illegal aliens from everywhere getting free stuff.

And surrender. We need to bow and surrender to Kenya and let the brown people rule over us.

wolverines!

just might be an opportunity to get under da cone.... if you want people to think your an **** that is...

How right you are:
http://timesfreepress.com/news/2012/jun/23/the-food-stamp-bonus/

Nothing makes giving away my tax dollars more fun than to provide a bonus to those states who sign up the most people onto food stamps.

I realize your comment was meant as sarcasm, but Pennsylvania Avenue circa 2012 is stranger than fiction.

I wish idiots would read their counter posts before posting them..... there's no good info there... just speculation and name calling and stuff..

Why are we wishing on the idiots?

A direct cited quote:
"The Treasury Department on Feb. 14 released the IRS budget request for fiscal year 2012 that shows the agency is seeking 1,269 full-time equivalent employees (FTEs) at a cost of $473 million to help implement the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. That includes 291 IRS agents, most of them (193) to "ensure accurate delivery of tax credits." For more information, read our Ask FactCheck, "IRS and the Health Care Law, Part II.""

291 agents in 2012. Unless they're planning on hiring 15,700 in the next 3 years, that's a bit different than 16000.

It explains EXACTLY the method by which the originator of that crappy number came up with the estimate, they based it off the estimated budget requirements the IRS gave congress, but they neglected a number of factors. Their faulty estimate was further conflated by idiots that didn't understand the method by which they made the estimate.

Hell, the personnel estimate was made off of the budget request, and you can ALREADY see idiots here then further inflating it by assuming that it will require additional infrastructure and non-agent personnel (if you'll read the link, that would already be built into the IRS budget estimate).

Oooooooh.....can I get a job with those wages? And, do I have to vote Democrat to get/keep the job?????

Huh? You're blaming me for a DIRECT quote from the IRS office?

You do realize that overhead on employees is significant, right? (rental of office space in DC???)
You do realize that there are probably significant software updates necessary to incorporate this healthcare bill, right?
A lot of data infrastructure that needs to be updated, which is likely paid out to contractors. Those 1269 FTEs are not likely doing that work. Accenture probably is, at $250 - $500 an hour.

Do I think it's inefficient? Yes. But that's not the argument. Less than 300 agents have actually been hired to handle the tax issue this year. Unless we're going to increase the number of tax-payers by 10-fold, the number of necessary agents is never going to reach anything close to 16000.

If someone wants to bitch that the IRS has spent almost 500million on the healthcare tax law, that's fine. That's an actual fact.

Oh.....so the 473 MILLION is really only for 291the emoloyees. Thats MUCH better.

HOPE and CHANGE!

...as in, we'd better HOPE that we at least have some spare CHANGE in our pockets by the time FEDGOV is done shaking the makers down for the benefit of the takers.

That's not what I said, nor is that what's in the quote.

Come on, this isn't rocket science.

There are only two facts we know:

1269 new employees were hired.
A total of 473 million is needed by the IRS in 2012 to handle the tax impact of the Healthcare act

Bitch about one or the other of these two facts, but don't try to turn them into something they aren't.

I f-ing swear... reading comprehension has never been strong with the people on this forum. Didn't you people take the SATs at some time in your life????

Reread.

1269 employees
291 agents.

Reading comprehension....
Let me walk you through this.


An agent is an employee.
An employee is not necessarily always an agent.

If there are 291 new agents, but 1269 total new employees, how many new employees are NOT agents?

Can you figure out the correct answer?

I'm wondering what is going to happen with all the wavers that were issued because now that it is considered a tax I don't think you can get a federal tax waver....

Nothing you have said has been right so far.

Follow the link to the 2012 IRS budget proposal if you want to actually see the correct answer and how it breaks down (I warn you, it is much more complicated than "Agents are employees, but not all employees are agents".)

All I ever f-ing ask for is for people to understand what is and what is not a f-ing fact. People are making up bad numbers and then basing their statements on even worse understanding of an already bad number. It just makes our entire population sound like f-ing morons.

Read post 27 as to why you're initial post was incorrect.

Post number 35 is where you apologized for trying to correct a mistake I never made.


I'll remeber that one and ignore your anger and desire to call everyone stupid tonight.

By all means, ignore the post proving you incorrect, and instead apply a post proving you wrong elsewhere (34) to a different post altogether and claim victory.

This is essentially the point of my original post (18)

Nope... I reread it and all the proper posts are referenced. If you cannot follow, blame your high school English teacher.

Well at least you care.




That's sweet.