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surfish1961 Offline
#1 Posted: Mon, Jul 16 2012, 8:58 AM EST
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4th President of these United States. Smart man.

'We have staked the whole of all our political Institutions upon the capacity of mankind for Self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to The Ten Commandments of God.'
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#2 Posted: Mon, Jul 16 2012, 9:04 AM EST
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Goodbye Cruel World..
dstieger Offline
#3 Posted: Mon, Jul 16 2012, 9:22 AM EST
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surfish1961 wrote:
4th President of these United States. Smart man.

'We have staked the whole of all our political Institutions upon the capacity of mankind for Self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to The Ten Commandments of God.'



Source? I've never seen that 'quote' validated. It is fairly inconsistent with his writings.
teedubbya Offline
#4 Posted: Mon, Jul 16 2012, 9:54 AM EST
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Actually, this statement appears nowhere in the writings or recorded utterances of James Madison and is completely contradictory to his character as a strong proponent of the separation of church and state.
jackconrad Offline
#5 Posted: Mon, Jul 16 2012, 9:57 AM EST
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You don't know JACK!
z6joker9 Offline
#6 Posted: Mon, Jul 16 2012, 10:02 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Actually, this statement appears nowhere in the writings or recorded utterances of James Madison and is completely contradictory to his character as a strong proponent of the separation of church and state.


^^^
surfish1961 Offline
#7 Posted: Mon, Jul 16 2012, 10:08 AM EST
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dstieger wrote:
Source? I've never seen that 'quote' validated. It is fairly inconsistent with his writings.

http://usbillofrights.org/founding.html
surfish1961 Offline
#8 Posted: Mon, Jul 16 2012, 10:09 AM EST
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Where an excess of power prevails, property of no sort is duly respected. No man is safe in his opinions, his person, his faculties, or his possessions.
bloody spaniard Offline
#9 Posted: Mon, Jul 16 2012, 10:12 AM EST
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Wasn't he the one with bad hair played by Anthony Hopkins to defend the revolting African negritos?Gonz
Think
Yes, wise man indeed- not the greatest lawyer in the world but wise man...
z6joker9 Offline
#10 Posted: Mon, Jul 16 2012, 10:30 AM EST
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surfish1961 wrote:
http://usbillofrights.org/founding.html


Not sure if serious.

Snopes debunks the quote in a portion of an email forward: http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/capital.asp
dstieger Offline
#11 Posted: Mon, Jul 16 2012, 10:32 AM EST
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surfish1961 wrote:
http://usbillofrights.org/founding.html



Thank you! I will sleep better tonight. Glad that the good pastor is so thorough about citing references. Otherwise I might have dismissed some of his other 'work' like suggesting that Obama could become a suicide bomber or that the Koran is demented revelation from demons. I will bow out and bow down to the scholastic Pastor Swank. (One thing I did learn is that Mr. Conrad has a great mentor out there, if he isn't already familiar.)
Brewha Offline
#12 Posted: Wed, Jul 18 2012, 3:38 PM EST
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surfish1961 wrote:
... to sustain ourselves according to The Ten Commandments of God.'


Actually this quote is a mistranslation of the original text which read;

“…..to sustain ourselves with The Ten Condiments.”
victor809 Offline
#13 Posted: Wed, Jul 18 2012, 3:55 PM EST
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http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/capital.asp

joker's right... this is complete bs Surf. :)
teedubbya Offline
#14 Posted: Wed, Jul 18 2012, 4:41 PM EST
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surfish1961 wrote:
http://usbillofrights.org/founding.html



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