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teedubbya Offline
#51 Posted: Sun, Sep 2 2012, 8:56 PM EST
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I'm not rationalizing a dn thing. It's wrong. But I'm not in the business of pushing my morals on others. God will judge. Humans suck at it.
wheelrite Offline
#52 Posted: Sun, Sep 2 2012, 8:57 PM EST
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drywalldog wrote:
Tw, guess I am with you on that, I will never have that problem, so my vote wont count. Could see plenty of young women having a problem of raising or birthing a child of the animal that raped them.


yep it would suck but it's not the child's fault .
Life can be ugly but it is what it is...
teedubbya Offline
#53 Posted: Sun, Sep 2 2012, 8:57 PM EST
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There are a lot of things I don't like or I find immoral.

Some folks think porn and fake tits are immoral and should not be legal.

wheelrite Offline
#54 Posted: Sun, Sep 2 2012, 8:58 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I'm not rationalizing a dn thing. It's wrong. But I'm not in the business of pushing my morals on others. God will judge. Humans suck at it.


weak ....

So it's ok for someome to shoot someone as long as it doesn't affect you ?

same thing,,,
teedubbya Offline
#55 Posted: Sun, Sep 2 2012, 9:00 PM EST
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I'd feel for that kid and would be willing to help directly or throUgh general funds/taxes

And if the mom found a way to find an abortion it would sicken be but so be it.

wheelrite Offline
#56 Posted: Sun, Sep 2 2012, 9:04 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
There are a lot of things I don't like or I find immoral.

Some folks think porn and fake tits are immoral and should not be legal.



eat chit dickhead,,,

way to run and hide,,,
teedubbya Offline
#57 Posted: Sun, Sep 2 2012, 9:04 PM EST
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Wheel we just disagree. I don't play those silly you think games. No I don't think it's the same. You do.

So what? You will never change you mind. I agree with you about it being wrong but that will never be enough for a zealot. Others that disagree must be forced to do as we say.

God will judge us all soon enough.

drywalldog Offline
#58 Posted: Sun, Sep 2 2012, 9:04 PM EST
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Comin from the porn king, priceless.
teedubbya Offline
#59 Posted: Sun, Sep 2 2012, 9:05 PM EST
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What?
teedubbya Offline
#60 Posted: Sun, Sep 2 2012, 9:06 PM EST
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I don't think porn or fake tits are immoral but some folks really do. They think those that partake are going to hell. I don't and am all for both. But I don't think I or folks like I should decide what others should do.
wheelrite Offline
#61 Posted: Sun, Sep 2 2012, 9:08 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Wheel we just disagree. I don't play those silly you think games. No I don't think it's the same. You do.

So what? You will never change you mind. I agree with you about it being wrong but that will never be enough for a zealot. Others that disagree must be forced to do as we say.

God will judge us all soon enough.



really ?

First they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for the Communists and I did not speak out because I was not a Communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me.

Nazi Germany
teedubbya Offline
#62 Posted: Sun, Sep 2 2012, 9:08 PM EST
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Although I am willing to fund both porn and fake tits.

Lol

Lighten up Francis.
drywalldog Offline
#63 Posted: Sun, Sep 2 2012, 9:10 PM EST
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Wheel=porn king, what say Catholic church? Selective morality?
teedubbya Offline
#64 Posted: Sun, Sep 2 2012, 9:11 PM EST
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Yes. Been there seen the plaque. Very moving.

I just don't apply the concept the same way you do. I don't really see anyone going after a group of people to anialate or oppress them thus making it a cliche to use it in this conversation.
wheelrite Offline
#65 Posted: Sun, Sep 2 2012, 9:13 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Although I am willing to fund both porn and fake tits.

Lol

Lighten up Francis.


no,,

You are a parent of children that you have talked about with pride and love here and it warms my heart.

I can't understand how any dad could be in favor of or dismissing of the termination of a preganancy like it's having a wart burned off..

I guess i'm all Fd up...
teedubbya Offline
#66 Posted: Sun, Sep 2 2012, 9:14 PM EST
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Condoms are the devil too. I think they kill the baby living in the sperm and should not be legal.

God will decide. Live your life well. Never hesitate to offer your opinion or morals. Spread them to as many as you can.
wheelrite Offline
#67 Posted: Sun, Sep 2 2012, 9:15 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Condoms are the devil too. I think they kill the baby living in the sperm and should not be legal.

God will decide. Live your life well. Never hesitate to offer your opinion or morals. Spread them to as many as you can.


that's stupid and you know it..
teedubbya Offline
#68 Posted: Sun, Sep 2 2012, 9:18 PM EST
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I'm also adopted and glad I wasn't aborted. I hate abortion and think its wrong.

I just don't make the legal leap you want to. That's all.

It's not like burning a wart. It's horrible.

The problem is its all or nothing with some folks. We live in a free country and I like that. That also means folks will disagree and I have no desire to selectively impose my will lest they impose theirs (porn etc).

I beleive those that have an abortion will be tormented in this earth and beyond. I trust god will decide.

That's all.
teedubbya Offline
#69 Posted: Sun, Sep 2 2012, 9:21 PM EST
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Yes wheel I do know it's stupid :).

I knew it when I typed it. It's as stupid as thinking I beleive an abortion is like burning a wart.

That's the problem with the zealots on both sides of this issue. They don't realize when they are spewing stupid bs. The feel do strongly they can't possibly be wrong.

I admire the conviction just don't want it imposed on everyone.

teedubbya Offline
#70 Posted: Sun, Sep 2 2012, 9:21 PM EST
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Yes wheel I do know it's stupid :).

I knew it when I typed it. It's as stupid as thinking I beleive an abortion is like burning a wart.

That's the problem with the zealots on both sides of this issue. They don't realize when they are spewing stupid bs. The feel do strongly they can't possibly be wrong.

I admire the conviction just don't want it imposed on everyone.

teedubbya Offline
#71 Posted: Sun, Sep 2 2012, 9:21 PM EST
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Double post. Wish I had aborted one.
wheelrite Offline
#72 Posted: Sun, Sep 2 2012, 9:27 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Yes wheel I do know it's stupid :).

I knew it when I typed it. It's as stupid as thinking I beleive an abortion is like burning a wart.

That's the problem with the zealots on both sides of this issue. They don't realize when they are spewing stupid bs. The feel do strongly they can't possibly be wrong.

I admire the conviction just don't want it imposed on everyone.



Imposition is reqiured sometimes,,,

Like Laws against pedophillia,DUI or exceeding the maiximum allowed speed limit,,,
teedubbya Offline
#73 Posted: Sun, Sep 2 2012, 9:36 PM EST
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Did you notice that when I didn't agree with you absolutely then I had to totally disagree with you making me love abortions, considering them like burning a wart off, and like a nazi apologist?

When you start from that point a rational conversation is not in the cards.

Trust me wheel there are zealots on many issues that would love to impose their morals on you.

Porn hurts many people and creates many victims. Many die as a result it may very well claim more lives than abortion Talk to your priest about it.

Spend your time trying to outlaw that as well.

It's I fun conversation with no acceptable resolution.
wheelrite Offline
#74 Posted: Sun, Sep 2 2012, 9:45 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Did you notice that when I didn't agree with you absolutely then I had to totally disagree with you making me love abortions, considering them like burning a wart off, and like a nazi apologist?

When you start from that point a rational conversation is not in the cards.

Trust me wheel there are zealots on many issues that would love to impose their morals on you.

Porn hurts many people and creates many victims. Many die as a result it may very well claim more lives than abortion Talk to your priest about it.

Spend your time trying to outlaw that as well.

It's I fun conversation with no acceptable resolution.


Bro,,

I expected more from you,,,


Porn is a genre enacted by consenting adults..

The babies sucked from the womb have no say...

A whore getting gang banged hurts none but herself, perhaps.
Which ,the whore chose to do.
And, she can change careers the next day,
A fetus has no such choice..
drywalldog Offline
#75 Posted: Sun, Sep 2 2012, 9:57 PM EST
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So let me get this right Wheel, you can push your morality on someone else, but they cant push theirs on you?
teedubbya Offline
#76 Posted: Sun, Sep 2 2012, 10:03 PM EST
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You need to look more into the evils of porn and the underworld behind it that you support much. The human trafficing, murder, etc not to mention the drugs and other tertiary industries connected to it id bet it kills more yearly than anortion both are bad Your selective outrage is duly noted however.
wheelrite Offline
#77 Posted: Sun, Sep 2 2012, 10:04 PM EST
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drywalldog wrote:
So let me get this right Wheel, you can push your morality on someone else, but they cant push theirs on you?


push away !

I am a sinner,,,

The difference is I don't advocate murder in any form or fashion,,,
teedubbya Offline
#78 Posted: Sun, Sep 2 2012, 10:05 PM EST
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Honestly wheel look into porn. Don't just jack to it. Seriously look into the industry. Ask you priest. You may change your mind about the consensual adult part and the level of its destruction to our society.

wheelrite Offline
#79 Posted: Sun, Sep 2 2012, 10:09 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Honestly wheel look into porn. Don't just jack to it. Seriously look into the industry. Ask you priest. You may change your mind about the consensual adult part and the level of its destruction to our society.



hmm ?

screwing on camera for $$ vs klling a baby in the 3rd trimester .

hmm ?
teedubbya Offline
#80 Posted: Sun, Sep 2 2012, 10:11 PM EST
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I'm not anti porn but if you think it's harmless and you are not financing murder, kidnapping and rape it's because you don't want to know.
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#81 Posted: Sun, Sep 2 2012, 10:12 PM EST
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By the way I think abortion is just as horrific in the first as the third trimester. But in your mind you can't compute that.
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#82 Posted: Sun, Sep 2 2012, 10:14 PM EST
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Wheel, I am against abortion, just dont think that rape victum doesnt have any rights, and to make someone who has gone thru it and have the further trauma of raising a child she didnt ask for in the first place.
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#83 Posted: Sun, Sep 2 2012, 10:14 PM EST
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Don't even get me started on doctors performing potentially life threatening mutilations in the name of cultural taboos.
wheelrite Offline
#84 Posted: Sun, Sep 2 2012, 10:17 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I'm not anti porn but if you think it's harmless and you are not financing murder, kidnapping and rape it's because you don't want to know.



ok that's Fnn moronic,,

you'll never win this debate,,

The affects of Legal Porn with consenting whores is the same as abortion on a society,,, ?

dude..
teedubbya Offline
#85 Posted: Sun, Sep 2 2012, 10:20 PM EST
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Blissfully ignorant wheel.
teedubbya Offline
#86 Posted: Sun, Sep 2 2012, 10:23 PM EST
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Porn is likely more detrimental to our society than abortion. That said, I'm not the one getting all high and mighty about either.

I don't even think we should outlaw doctors performing unnecessary mutilations that result at times in death. Some zealots would call that murder.

I just worry about who gets to define such things and am amazed at the wisdom of our founding fathers.
wheelrite Offline
#87 Posted: Sun, Sep 2 2012, 10:24 PM EST
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drywalldog wrote:
Wheel, I am against abortion, just dont think that rape victum doesnt have any rights, and to make someone who has gone thru it and have the further trauma of raising a child she didnt ask for in the first place.


Ya see ?

The truely innocent child in the womb did'nt have a say regarding when it was conceived. Sure it may be under traqgic circumstances.
But, the precious human life does have the right to gestate and be born.

See, the lib attitude toward this diminshes the value of life.

Me, I'm a Catholic, pro life anti death penalty guy,,

consistent, and all

and sure I like da porn
wheelrite Offline
#88 Posted: Sun, Sep 2 2012, 10:25 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Porn is likely more detrimental to our society than abortion.



You are an Idiot..
teedubbya Offline
#89 Posted: Sun, Sep 2 2012, 10:28 PM EST
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There is a good chance some of the porn you have watched was not consensual, and there was human trafficking and likely one life or more taken as a direct result. But pretend it isn't so.
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#90 Posted: Sun, Sep 2 2012, 10:31 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
There is a good chance some of the porn you have watched was not consensual, and there was human trafficking and likely one life or more taken as a direct result. But pretend it isn't so.


There's a good chance yo momma would've aborted you if it was legal in 60s.

cool with dat ?Beer
teedubbya Offline
#91 Posted: Sun, Sep 2 2012, 10:34 PM EST
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Yup. No issue with that at all. It's in gods hands.

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#92 Posted: Sun, Sep 2 2012, 10:35 PM EST
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I am Catholic too Wheel, maybe the right thing would be to remove the growing fetus from the rape victum and force it upon someone else, transplant it to someone who believes there should be no abortion?
wheelrite Offline
#93 Posted: Sun, Sep 2 2012, 10:44 PM EST
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drywalldog wrote:
I am Catholic too Wheel, maybe the right thing would be to remove the growing fetus from the rape victum and force it upon someone else, transplant it to someone who believes there should be no abortion?


Another idiotic response...


What if ?

If an unfortunate minority woman was raped and the child in her would grow up and discover the the cure for all cancers ?
It'd be ok then to let the child live, right ?

Or, he /she would struggle, raise a family and love her /his family ? They would make no impact on society ?. So we should abort all of them because it is convenient and might cost us less ?

please tell me?
wheelrite Offline
#94 Posted: Sun, Sep 2 2012, 10:45 PM EST
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drywalldog wrote:
I am Catholic too Wheel, maybe the right thing would be to remove the growing fetus from the rape victum and force it upon someone else, transplant it to someone who believes there should be no abortion?


Another idiotic response...


What if ?

If an unfortunate minority woman was raped and the child in her would grow up and discover the the cure for all cancers ?
It'd be ok then to let the child live, right ?

Or, he /she would struggle, raise a family and love her /his family ? They would make no impact on society ?. So we should abort all of them because it is convenient and might cost us less ?

please tell me?
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#95 Posted: Sun, Sep 2 2012, 10:50 PM EST
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Guess you didnt like my idea, why? Of course you have posed a couple of the possible outcomes, there are many more not so nice.
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"Sister Joan Chittister, a Benedictine nun, had this to say on Bill Moyers' show in November of 2004:

I do not believe that just because you're opposed to abortion, that that makes you pro-life. In fact, I think in many cases, your morality is deeply lacking if all you want is a child born but not a child fed, not a child educated, not a child housed. And why would I think that you don't? Because you don't want any tax money to go there. That's not pro-life. That's pro-birth. We need a much broader conversation on what the morality of pro-life is."
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#97 Posted: Mon, Sep 3 2012, 5:31 PM EST
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wheelrite wrote:
hmm ?

screwing on camera for $$ vs klling a baby in the 3rd trimester .

hmm ?


Wheel... how many abortions do you actually think occur in the 3rd trimester?
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#98 Posted: Mon, Sep 3 2012, 5:33 PM EST
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US_abortion_by_gestational_age_2004_histogram.svg

I wish people would look crap up before they start forming opinions.
wheelrite Offline
#99 Posted: Mon, Sep 3 2012, 6:54 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Wheel... how many abortions do you actually think occur in the 3rd trimester?


One is too many...
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#100 Posted: Mon, Sep 3 2012, 8:13 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
Who doesn't want there to be the right to abortion following rape? Just curious (not critical)?



I would think the rapist would be in favor of the abortion. Cheaper than paying child support.
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