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ZRX1200 Offline
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Mitt Romney does a number on Ron Paul and shuts him out of the convention

August 24th, 2012 by John Presta

Ron Paul will not have a speaking role at the Republican National Convention that starts on Monday, August 27th.

Ron Paul will not be formally nominated either, according to Politico. Thanks to some Romney-friendly “committee on contests,” Ron Paul's Maine delegates were were invalidated and the RNC split the at-large delegation in half.

Ron Paul needed five states to become part of the process. In addition to Maine, Ron Paul tried to make claims on Louisiana, Massachusetts, Oregon, and Oklahoma. The only states that Ron Paul effectively controls are Nevada, Iowa and Minnesota, which fall short of the five states needed.

Lest you think that this is a coincidence, the Romney campaign also will break tradition by nominating Mitt Romney on the first evening of the convention, reports the New York Times blog, The Caucus. Officials look at two potential threats. The first threat is from Hurricane Isaac which would help if the proceedings are cut short. The second threat is for possible disruptions from Ron Paul supporters, who are not averse to making their voices heard. The Ron Paul supporters have no great love for Mitt Romney either.

In fairness to Mitt Romney, the Ron Paul forces have not been frozen out completely and were part of the discussions. In the 2008 Republican convention, Ron Paul was completely taken out. Ron Paul supporters didn't get everything they wanted either.

By no means did the Paul backers get everything they wanted in the platform. Four attempts to add support for a ban on indefinite detention of American citizens failed. They lost some skirmishes against social conservatives over civil unions. The foreign policy section wound up not including restrictions on when a president could declare war, as they wished, but the document could have been decidedly more hawkish without them there.

Thus, the key differences between Mitt Romney, the sort of conservative, and Ron Paul, the uncompromising, real libertarian.

Ron Paul will be speaking at his own convention in Tampa. Ron Paul will deliver a keynote address to supporters at the University of South Florida’s Sun Dome at the campaign’s “We are the Future Rally,” which runs from noon to 6:00 pm ET. The venue is sold out with 11,000 seats and calls it, the speech “the Republican National Convention doesn’t want the rest of America to hear.”

So don't be looking for Ron Paul to make a major speech at this year's convention. But as a side note, Senator Rand Paul (R-KY), son of Ron Paul, will be making a prime-time speech on Monday night.

Why?

Mitt Romney may need Rand Paul in the United States Senate. That's what politics is all about.

Send John Presta an email and your story ideas or suggestions, [email protected].

John is the author of an award-winning book, the 2010 Winner of the USA National Best Book award for African-American studies, published by The Elevator Group Mr. and Mrs. Grassroots: How Barack Obama, Two Bookstore Owners, and 300 Volunteers did it. Also available an eBook on Amazon. John is also a member of the Society of Midland Authors and is a book reviewer of political books for the New York Journal of Books


jojoc Offline
#2 Posted:
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been a long time sense anything I am proud of came out of politics, if ever.........


so why is it that we are trying to push the democratic process on other nations when our own elected officials are afraid of and fight against a true democratic process at home?
wheelrite Offline
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does this meam RP will shave off his Hitler Moustache ?

Seriously, though..

To the victor go the spoils....

I do believe Rand will be speaking
or parking cars...
rfenst Offline
#4 Posted:
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This is a Republican Party/Libertarian Party issue, which predominantly belongs to the Republicans. It's their show and they get to make their own rules (as long as they are not illegal or unconstitutional)
ZRX1200 Offline
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Robert they aren't following they're rules that's my point.
wheelrite Offline
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Robert they aren't following they're rules that's my point.


what rules ?

The Parties can have any speaker they choose it's their convention...
Or not...
ZRX1200 Offline
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Bill I won't waste my time. Obviously you won't read what you don't want to.

wheelrite Offline
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Bill I won't waste my time. Obviously you won't read what you don't want to.



I read the Op...
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This just it;

Romney admitted that he believes Obama was born in this county.



He is going to loose lots of votes from the Fox crowd . . . . . . . .
wheelrite Offline
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Brewha wrote:
This just it;

Romney admitted that he believes Obama was born in this county.



He is going to loose lots of votes from the Fox crowd . . . . . . . .


No,

The Alex Jones crowd...
ZRX1200 Offline
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You dont get it.
wheelrite Offline
#12 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
You dont get it.


sure I do..

I don't think you do...

RP is and has been a small potato in the big picture...

sorry but it's true...
ZRX1200 Offline
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Im not saying hes not Bill, never have.

Why are they changing rules throughout the process? Scared oligarchs want to maintain theyre power is why.

Either the GOP accepts change or the DNC will continue to ruin the country.
wheelrite Offline
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Im not saying hes not Bill, never have.

Why are they changing rules throughout the process? Scared oligarchs want to maintain theyre power is why.

Either the GOP accepts change or the DNC will continue to ruin the country.


Dude,,,

RP has no bearing on this election.
his 1% of voters are meaningless in the grand scheme...

He should've run as an independent from the begining,,
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Anyone remember Paul Harvey? Well, here's the REST of the story: At the Iowa Caucuses, it was noted at many precincts that win, lose, or draw at the end of the evening, they asked for volunteers to be delegates. Almost all the Paul supporters stayed on, and volunteered. The delegates votes are ONLY COMMITTED TO THE WINNING CANDIDATE FOR THE FIRST BALLOT. Some people, before Mittens sewed up the nomination, thought the nomination process might boil down to a floor fight. It was thought that if that happened a bunch of the volunteers would suddenly change their votes to Ron Paul. There's not going to be a floor fight. If there was any thought of somehow twigging the first vote, requiring a second, it's now shut down. Stopping a possible attempt to bypass the system IS Democracy in action.

NOTE: Full Disclosure, I was in the Herman Cain area of the "anybody but Romney" camp. He's the nominee, I'll vote for him. Priority one is getting Obama out. Priority two is getting enough conservatives (NOT Republicans, CONSERVATIVES see what the Tea Party did in Indiana, Texas, and Florida, if you need clarification) in the Senate to keep Mittens honest.
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CWFoster wrote:
Anyone remember Paul Harvey? Well, here's the REST of the story: At the Iowa Caucuses, it was noted at many precincts that win, lose, or draw at the end of the evening, they asked for volunteers to be delegates. Almost all the Paul supporters stayed on, and volunteered. The delegates votes are ONLY COMMITTED TO THE WINNING CANDIDATE FOR THE FIRST BALLOT. Some people, before Mittens sewed up the nomination, thought the nomination process might boil down to a floor fight. It was thought that if that happened a bunch of the volunteers would suddenly change their votes to Ron Paul. There's not going to be a floor fight. If there was any thought of somehow twigging the first vote, requiring a second, it's now shut down. Stopping a possible attempt to bypass the system IS Democracy in action.

NOTE: Full Disclosure, I was in the Herman Cain area of the "anybody but Romney" camp. He's the nominee, I'll vote for him. Priority one is getting Obama out. Priority two is getting enough conservatives (NOT Republicans, CONSERVATIVES see what the Tea Party did in Indiana, Texas, and Florida, if you need clarification) in the Senate to keep Mittens honest.




Exactly where I stand my ground..........Well said sir.


Ron
ZRX1200 Offline
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" Stopping a possible attempt to bypass the system IS Democracy in action."



Yeah.........ok. Ignore the blatent changing and ignoring of their established rules to get the predetermined result that was desired.


Wheel he does serve a purpose. And I never had any grand illusions that he was going to win a landslide. He's bringing a voice of liberty back to the GOP, and a new generation is hearing that message. Like I said the party has to change.

CW if the Tea Party turns into a new haven for the purely christian conservatives than it will fail. You can clearly see two sects of TPers.
rfenst Offline
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Robert they aren't following they're rules that's my point.


I understand that. But, those are the Republicans rules, not the Libertarian's, Democrat's, Independent's or any other party's rules.

The more I think about it, the more I remember tons of crap like this all the time form both the Dems and Reps over the years. That doesn't make it right (or wrong). Politics will always be a nasty "game".

It is just coming to me and I am still thinking it out, but I suspect the Electoral College System is a contributing cause to matters like this. Notwithstanding the possibility of this, I'd really like to see Presidential Elections determined by a national popular vote.

(I also see an irony here in that Paul, Jr. is speaking at the R Convention.)
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ZRX1200 wrote:
You dont get it.



Wheel, gets it 100%. He just doesn't agree that it is as significant as you do. That doesn't make him ignorant or wrong. He just has a different opinion than yours. That's all.
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I thinks his alignment with tradional Rs was a tactical decision (Wheel actually called this I believe). I agree Robert, but stolen delegates should mean something to everyone. Paul wasn't going to take the nomination with them. Its a faction shutting out others and its sheet like this that will elect Obama.
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ZRX1200 wrote:
" Stopping a possible attempt to bypass the system IS Democracy in action."



Yeah.........ok. Ignore the blatent changing and ignoring of their established rules to get the predetermined result that was desired.


Wheel he does serve a purpose. And I never had any grand illusions that he was going to win a landslide. He's bringing a voice of liberty back to the GOP, and a new generation is hearing that message. Like I said the party has to change.

CW if the Tea Party turns into a new haven for the purely christian conservatives than it will fail. You can clearly see two sects of TPers.


Z,

Those are "their" rules, not everyone else's'. Nothing requires any political party to operate under a consistent set of rules or in any fashion representing any form of democracy. Political parties are private organizations with probably the greatest internal degrees of control and variance of any type of organization in this country- and it is even protected by First Amendment.
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True.

And here in Oregon they purposely made the RP folks wait 3 hours hoping they'd leave. They didn't so they held a vote to determine weather to stay or not. They needed 17 votes to adjourn and they got ten. They counted it as 17 amd hammered the gabble and left.

Ohio and Massachusetts were a joke as well.

I read what you wrote 4 times. Yes its "their" process but why even have rules you don't follow? Its asinine. My issue isn't RP not being elected he didn't get the votes. Period. My issue is they stole delegates to silence a part of the party. These idiots are cutting their nose to spite their face.
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ZRX1200 wrote:
I thinks his alignment with tradional Rs was a tactical decision (Wheel actually called this I believe). I agree Robert, but stolen delegates should mean something to everyone. Paul wasn't going to take the nomination with them. Its a faction shutting out others and its sheet like this that will elect Obama.


Well, if this type of stuff does result in the re-election of Obama, then it will be a hard lesson learned for the Republicans. And, that is just the way it will have to be. If you take a good look back through U.S. political history and potential third parties/viable new parties, these types of "plays" and "games' are, for better or worse, part of the way political parties operate. It's part of our culture in a sense- perhaps almost akin to certain aspects of capitalism where the ends are aloud to justify the means- again part of our culture. That doesn't make it necessarily right (or wrong), just the way it has been and is. And, I truly believe there is no such thing as "fair" in politics (or our greater society).
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ZRX1200 wrote:
True.

And here in Oregon they purposely made the RP folks wait 3 hours hoping they'd leave. They didn't so they held a vote to determine weather to stay or not. They needed 17 votes to adjourn and they got ten. They counted it as 17 amd hammered the gabble and left.

Ohio and Massachusetts were a joke as well.

I read what you wrote 4 times. Yes its "their" process but why even have rules you don't follow? Its asinine. My issue isn't RP not being elected he didn't get the votes. Period. My issue is they stole delegates to silence a part of the party. These idiots are cutting their nose to spite their face.


Silencing others' political opinions and expression of opinion in all maters social and political is a terrible problem in the U.S. Just take a look at CBid! Our country is so shamefully, damn polarized, it should make everyone sick. It is doing a tremendous amount of civil damage too. I really think what you are seeing is a microcosm that has little chance of being changed without either greater change in tolerating different ideas or until those whose opinion differs gain enough power to prevent being excluded.
ZRX1200 Offline
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Agreed.

sangrientopouertorican Offline
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Ah to be young and idealistic!
wheelrite Offline
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CWFoster wrote:
Anyone remember Paul Harvey? Well, here's the REST of the story: At the Iowa Caucuses, it was noted at many precincts that win, lose, or draw at the end of the evening, they asked for volunteers to be delegates. Almost all the Paul supporters stayed on, and volunteered. The delegates votes are ONLY COMMITTED TO THE WINNING CANDIDATE FOR THE FIRST BALLOT. Some people, before Mittens sewed up the nomination, thought the nomination process might boil down to a floor fight. It was thought that if that happened a bunch of the volunteers would suddenly change their votes to Ron Paul. There's not going to be a floor fight. If there was any thought of somehow twigging the first vote, requiring a second, it's now shut down. Stopping a possible attempt to bypass the system IS Democracy in action.

NOTE: Full Disclosure, I was in the Herman Cain area of the "anybody but Romney" camp. He's the nominee, I'll vote for him. Priority one is getting Obama out. Priority two is getting enough conservatives (NOT Republicans, CONSERVATIVES see what the Tea Party did in Indiana, Texas, and Florida, if you need clarification) in the Senate to keep Mittens honest.


Dream on..
Nominate a Unicorn next election cycle...

does the word Pragmatist mean anything to you ?
wheelrite Offline
#28 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
True.

And here in Oregon they purposely made the RP folks wait 3 hours hoping they'd leave. They didn't so they held a vote to determine weather to stay or not. They needed 17 votes to adjourn and they got ten. They counted it as 17 amd hammered the gabble and left.

Ohio and Massachusetts were a joke as well.

I read what you wrote 4 times. Yes its "their" process but why even have rules you don't follow? Its asinine. My issue isn't RP not being elected he didn't get the votes. Period. My issue is they stole delegates to silence a part of the party. These idiots are cutting their nose to spite their face.



What a crock...

Please,
RP was never a legitimate contender,,

It makes me giggle at all the RPers that think they are smarter than everyone else, when they know nothing of Paul's real record..

Face the music. You got hoodwinked .
CWFoster Offline
#29 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
True.

And here in Oregon they purposely made the RP folks wait 3 hours hoping they'd leave. They didn't so they held a vote to determine weather to stay or not. They needed 17 votes to adjourn and they got ten. They counted it as 17 amd hammered the gabble and left.

Ohio and Massachusetts were a joke as well.

I read what you wrote 4 times. Yes its "their" process but why even have rules you don't follow? Its asinine. My issue isn't RP not being elected he didn't get the votes. Period. My issue is they stole delegates to silence a part of the party. These idiots are cutting their nose to spite their face.


Well, DUH! 75%-80% of the GOP wanted ANYBODY but Romney, but we couldn't coelesce behind any particular 'abR', and so Romney ran away with it with a minority of the popular GOP rank and file support What I find especially noxious are the fools who say "MY guy didn't get nominated, so he's going to run independent, and I'm voting for HIM!" WOW! First we gave the nominaqtion to Mittens, now you're willing to 'make a statement' by giving another four years to the Commie? The EXACT SAME WAY???

"We have met the enemy, and he is us"- Pogo

FORGET who to back in 2016, if that happens there wont be anything left to do but rearrange deck chairs on the Titanic!
ZRX1200 Offline
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Politics of fear is strong with this one.


Guess what. Commie light cuts our throats too just slower. I will not participate sorry, and it's not independents fault that oligarchs can't wont see that. They are more responsible than anyone so point you finger there first.
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I tend to never come in the politics section, just thought I would drop in and bring a little numistyle.


Lots of smart folks here, far smarter than I, although I do understand the actual process, years ago, I realized that if a certain group of folks in this country do not want you to be Pres., you will never get the chance, simple as that.


Better start learning to be as self sufficient as you can, see ya.

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There Was Major Drama At The GOP Convention Friday, And It Ended With John Sununu Fleeing The Building

by Grace Wyler | Aug. 25, 2012, 6:45 AM | 22,877

TAMPA, FLA. — The GOP convention doesn't officially start until Monday, but trouble is already brewing between presumptive nominee Mitt Romney and Republicans who are concerned by his campaign making an aggressive power play to control the party.

The drama Friday centered around a contentious meeting of the powerful Rules Committee, where Romney's campaign lieutenants, led by his legal counsel Ben Ginsberg, pushed through several changes that would give Romney broad authority over the Republican nominating process.

According to one source who was at the meeting, the saga ended with former New Hampshire Governor John Sununu, the committee chair, hightailing it out of the building before committee members could submit dissenting minority opinions, or "minority reports."

In an interview with Business Insider Friday night, Maine's newly-elected state committeewoman Ashley Ryan, said that committee members opposed to Romney's plan drafted two minority reports immediately after the meeting, stating their position against the changes. Republican Party rules stipulate that people have one hour to submit a minority report after a meeting of the Rules Committee, and that it must have the support of at least 25 percent of the committee.

"The rules say that you have an hour after the meeting, but within 15 minutes, we couldn't find [Chairman Sununu] anywhere," Ryan, a Ron Paul supporter and member of Maine's delegation, said. "Finally, we asked an RNC official if they had seen former New Hampshire Governor John Sununu. He said, 'John Sununu! Everyone's looking for him! But he left the building.'"

The details around Sununu's Friday dip are still foggy, and it's unclear if he ended up receiving the minority reports after all. Convention officials have not yet responded to our email asking for comment.

Earlier on Friday, Ginsberg and other Romney loyalists tried to neuter the threat of a minority report by raising the threshold of support to 40 percent.

BuzzFeed's Zeke Miller reports that the attempt was forcefully shot down as overreach, even by committee members who voted for Ginsberg's other proposals, including one that would force states to select delegates based on the results of their primary or caucus, and one that would allow the Republican National Committee to change the rules established at the convention.

"It's important to make the rules four years in advance, before we know who the favorites are," Ryan said. "If the national party can just change the rules, what's the point of having a Rules Committee at all?
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Ron Paul Not Endorsing Mitt Romney

Mr. Paul, in an interview, said convention planners had offered him an opportunity to speak under two conditions: that he deliver remarks vetted by the Romney campaign, and that he give a full-fledged endorsement of Mr. Romney. He declined.

“It wouldn’t be my speech,” Mr. Paul said. “That would undo everything I’ve done in the last 30 years. I don’t fully endorse him for president.”

Mr. Paul’s campaign chairman, Jesse Benton, acknowledged the frustrations that the Paul high command had been forced to manage.

Some true believers want to “dress in black, stand on a hill and say, ‘Smash the state,’ ” said Mr. Benton, who is married to one of Mr. Paul’s granddaughters. But “it’s not our desire to have floor demonstrations. That would cost us a lot more than it would get us.”
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So a guy who ran against Romney, whose self-appointed world's smartest supporters create a distraction wherever they go, who admits he "doesn't fully endorse" Romney (understatement), doesn't get to speak at the convention where Romney will be nominated.

That's quite a little shocker.

I suppose next I'll read Al Sharpton wasn't invited to speak at the convention.
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Al wasn't invited. You heard it here first!
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snowwolf777 wrote:
So a guy who ran against Romney, whose self-appointed world's smartest supporters create a distractoin wherever they go, who admits he "doesn't fully endorse" Romney (understatement), doesn't get to speak at the convention where Romney will be nominated.

That's quite a little shocker.

I suppose next I'll read Al Sharpton wasn't invited to speak at the convention.






Like him or hate him (there seems to be no middle ground) Newt Gingrich summed it up best at several of the GOP debates "anyone on this platform would be better than Obama!" If your guy didn't win, suck it up and dance with the one that brung ya!
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snowwolf777 wrote:
So a guy who ran against Romney, whose self-appointed world's smartest supporters create a distractoin wherever they go, who admits he "doesn't fully endorse" Romney (understatement), doesn't get to speak at the convention where Romney will be nominated.

That's quite a little shocker.

I suppose next I'll read Al Sharpton wasn't invited to speak at the convention.






lol!
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#38 Posted:
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snowwolf777 wrote:
So a guy who ran against Romney, whose self-appointed world's smartest supporters create a distractoin wherever they go, who admits he "doesn't fully endorse" Romney (understatement), doesn't get to speak at the convention where Romney will be nominated.

That's quite a little shocker.

I suppose next I'll read Al Sharpton wasn't invited to speak at the convention.






Here Here !
sangrientopouertorican Offline
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Four more years goody.
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sangrientopouertorican wrote:
Four more years goody.


Hopefully not, ther will HOPEFULLY be enough to elect "Commie Light". the GOP establishment will "cut our throats a little slower, and we may be able to survive until either guys like Erik Ericson can get enough people involved in the grassroots organization of the GOP and change the party from Precinct committeemen up (he's been working on that since 2008) or for sarah Palin to maybe be the catalyst to form a new party altogether.
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What Mr. Paul doesn't understand is that
you must stop the hemorrhaging and get
the patient healthy, before you can put him
on a serious diet.

BTW, it'll never happen.
Too much 'easy money' in D.C.
Plenty of Red and Blue pigs at the trough.
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^ very true.

But you have to starve the beast at some point. If you're not working to change it you're supporting it. I'm done with that sheet.
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Ron Paul is a trojan horse inside the socialist Republicrat Party.

Why would they want him around talking about inconvenient concepts like freedom and fiscal responsibility?


Herfing
CWFoster Offline
#44 Posted:
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Stinkdyr wrote:
Ron Paul is a trojan horse inside the socialist Republicrat Party.

Why would they want him around talking about inconvenient concepts like freedom and fiscal responsibility?


Herfing


Hell, everybody in the Tea Party agrees with him on those points, but they don't think throwing Israel under the bus and sitting on the sidelines while Iran gets nukes is such a bright idea.
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Ron Paul just doesn't understand that the USA needs to fight some more wars for Israel.
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HockeyDad wrote:
Ron Paul just doesn't understand that the USA needs to fight some more wars for Israel.


"more wars for Israel"? Which, pray tell was the first? Iraq was pretty well pushed on us by Kuwait, and the Saudi Royal Family. Anybody who thinks the Israelis have undue influence in Washington D.C. have obviously never checked out the size and scope of the lobbying resources that Saudi oil money can buy!

We lost some Marines in Lebanon in I think it was around '83, but they were there as 'peacekeepers', not in a combat capacity, and they were blown up in their barracks by a truck bomb, not in combat operations.

So what wars have we fought for israel? Inquiring minds want to know?
HockeyDad Offline
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Iraq 1 was for Kuwait and Saudi Arabia.

Iraq 2 was for Israel.

Peacekeepers in Lebanon were to cover the Israeli withdrawal. UNIFIL played that role for Israel in 2006.

Iran 1 will be for Israel

....and we fully funded all their wars since 1973!



Israel isn't going to be thrown under any bus.
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I heard Yoder and Akin are having their own convention in Kansas City since they have been asked not to travel to florida and KC is a central location for them. Maybe Ron Paul could speak at their party? It will be more fun. There will be drinking, skinny dipping in the holy water, and legitimate rape!

I'm buying a ticket the first day they go onsale!
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#49 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
Iraq 1 was for Kuwait and Saudi Arabia.

Iraq 2 was for Israel.

Peacekeepers in Lebanon were to cover the Israeli withdrawal. UNIFIL played that role for Israel in 2006.

Iran 1 will be for Israel

....and we fully funded all their wars since 1973!



Israel isn't going to be thrown under any bus.


How much taxpayer $$ do we fork over to prop up Israel every year? And how much do we fork over for all the other corrupt kuntrees like Pakistan, Egypt, Palestine etc?
Are we broke yet?

Think
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RP doesnt have a chance on a cold day in....... . anyway, he shouldnt be on the ballot, it would just split votes away from R/R.
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