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if'n you gona call somun out for ly'n at least point out da lie.

The lie is that RICK has anything rational or thoughtful to add to the debate. Like most liberals, he's succumbed to the final conclusion of a steadfast belief in Darwinian Evolution, and has been reduced to sitting back in his cage and throwing handfuls of excrement at anyone who comes close enough.

White Guilt is a real burden for those that carry the water.

The problem with Republicans is that they think all Democrats just want free stuff paid for by someone else.
The Problem with Democrats is they think all Republicans are azzholes because they won't give Democrats more free stuff.

I'm a globalist. We control both parties and orchestrate this whole song & dance. It is the modern version of gladiators.

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Arguing online with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon...no matter how good you are at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, crap all over the board, and strut around like it's victorious. - Anonymous

Cut n paste doo doo

No.......



Does my ex count? Woof.

You ALMOST got it right! The Republicans problem is not wanting to pay for free stuff the Democrats are going to use to buy votes against them in elections! Republicans (especially establishment Republicans) would probably be okay with it, if they got matching campaign contributions!

a politics forum on a cigar auction site..... worst idea ever? SMH...

You're more than welcome whistlebritches! My personal fave are the feminazis who say "Government out of my uterus!" and my reply is always "Fine but John Q. Taxpayer doesn't want to leave his wallet in there!"

So let's get out of their uteruses (or would that be uteri?) and stop funding birth control and Planned Partenthood conducted abortions! It's their CHOICE, let THEM pay for it!

wow, nothing to add stogieman? Just parroting the usual crap as per the usual liberal line?

I couldn't care LESS about Ryans best time in a marathon. I could beat three I'm sure (we ARE talking DAYS here, right?) If the worst lie Obama, Biden, Reid, and Pelosi ever told was their time to finish a race, they might be harder to beat, but when they reduce the unemployment figures by redefining who's unemployed ("well, those people aren't unemployed anymore, because they've given up and stopped looking"), And raise the employment numbers by counting Census workers they KNOW will be unemployed in six months, and in some cases, letting them go, and rehiring them so they could show TWO hires, and spend $800 BILLION dollars to stimulate the econmy, and give that to cronys that invest in about to go bankrupt green businesses, solar panel companies relocating their plants to Mexico, and Electric car companies in FINLAND. What does anyone care what Ryans old sweatsocks smell like?

From Fox News -- Link below -- YES, Ryan is a liar that is why zealots love him.

On the other hand, to anyone paying the slightest bit of attention to facts, Ryan’s speech was an apparent attempt to set the world record for the greatest number of blatant lies and misrepresentations slipped into a single political speech. On this measure, while it was Romney who ran the Olympics, Ryan earned the gold.
The good news is that the Romney-Ryan campaign has likely created dozens of new jobs among the legions of additional fact checkers that media outlets are rushing to hire to sift through the mountain of cow dung that flowed from Ryan’s mouth. Said fact checkers have already condemned certain arguments that Ryan still irresponsibly repeated.

Fact: While Ryan tried to pin the downgrade of the United States’ credit rating on spending under President Obama, the credit rating was actually downgraded because Republicans threatened not to raise the debt ceiling.

Fact: While Ryan blamed President Obama for the shut down of a GM plant in Janesville, Wisconsin, the plant was actually closed under President George W. Bush. Ryan actually asked for federal spending to save the plant, while Romney has criticized the auto industry bailout that President Obama ultimately enacted to prevent other plants from closing.

Fact: Though Ryan insisted that President Obama wants to give all the credit for private sector success to government, that isn't what the president said. Period.

Fact: Though Paul Ryan accused President Obama of taking $716 billion out of Medicare, the fact is that that amount was savings in Medicare reimbursement rates (which, incidentally, save Medicare recipients out-of-pocket costs, too) and Ryan himself embraced these savings in his budget plan.

Elections should be about competing based on your record in the past and your vision for the future, not competing to see who can get away with the most lies and distortions without voters noticing or bother to care. Both parties should hold themselves to that standard. Republicans should be ashamed that there was even one misrepresentation in Ryan’s speech but sadly, there were many.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/08/30/paul-ryans-speech-in-three-words/#ixzz25PpvIf5L

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Fact: While Ryan blamed President Obama for the shut down of a GM plant in Janesville, Wisconsin, the plant was actually closed under President George W. Bush. Ryan actually asked for federal spending to save the plant, while Romney has criticized the auto industry bailout that President Obama ultimately enacted to prevent other plants from closing.

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NOT TRUE...



The Washington Post, and a host of other liberal media outlets, are calling this passage “misleading” because the Janesville plant “closed before the president was inaugurated.” The Post is dead wrong. Here are the facts:

1. On February 13, 2008 Obama said in Janesville : “I believe that if our government is there to support you, and give you the assistance you need to re-tool and make this transition, that this plant will be here for another hundred years.”

2. In June 2008 GM announced that the Janesville plant would stop production of medium-duty trucks by the end of 2009, and stop production of large SUVs in 2010 or sooner.

3. In October 2008 Obama doubled down on his promise to keep Janesville plant open: “As president, I will lead an effort to retool plants like the GM facility in Janesville so we can build the fuel-efficient cars of tomorrow and create good-paying jobs in Wisconsin and all across America.”

4. In December 2008 GM idled production of GM SUVs at the Janesville plant. Medium-duty truck assembly continued.

5. In April 2009, four months after Obama was inaugurated, GM idled production of medium-duty trucks.

6. In September 2011, more than two years after Obama was inaugurated, GM reiterates that Janesville plant is on “stand by status.” Auto industry observer David Cole, tells the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel it would be premature to say the Janesville plant will never reopen.

Today the GM facility in Janesville still has not been retooled “so we can build the fuel-efficient cars of tomorrow and create good-paying jobs,” as Obama promised.



and YES I live in Wisconsin...very close to where these plants are located....and they WERE still open when Obama took office........


Tank

yep...according to them...still open...aka...not closed

BUT...

Zero production and Zero Employees....but sure, still open...??...

What exiting news that the plant i ACTUALLY still open. God bless those lucky union workers there so they still vote for OBAMA.

Bingo!

Dems = Tax and Spend
Reps = Borrow and Spend

The only thing they have in common is SPEND.

Waayyy past time to cut SPENDing.

Chemyst