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Raider Domination!
Tobasco Offline
#1 Posted:
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Revenge is a dish that is best served COLD !! MAG
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huttman78 Offline
#2 Posted:
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the is no revenge. we won the super bowl in the end, you won a lousy regular season game!!!! hahahahahahahaha!!!
Charlie Offline
#3 Posted:
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Raiders are good at rubbing their backs and puffing up over a win, what about the 4 losses in a row?

It is honorable to be gracious in victory and hold your dignity in defeat! Nobody likes to lose but when two teams hit the field one will be victorious and one will fall! It is important to play the game to win, but to win with class!

Charlie

PS Go Chiefs!!!
GetYourOwn Offline
#4 Posted:
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As for Superbowl champs. Both teams were one play apart. The Pats had the famous "tuck rule" and the Rams were lucky the Eagle dropped the pass.

Sounds like some jealousy up there^. (in the follow up posts)

Go Cowboys
tailgater Offline
#5 Posted:
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So is Vichyssoise, but you don't hear anybody bragging about it...
tailgater Offline
#6 Posted:
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Mag, I don't think that was the last meeting these teams will have this year. Shoot me an email sometime. [email protected]
Joe.
Tobasco Offline
#7 Posted:
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Charlie you may not like my post but lets not make this a class issue. Im just having a little fun. Now YOU post things like your pop quiz. Where is your class. Need I say more. Mag
rleaverton Offline
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"good thing they did win, or raider fan would have burned that crib down and thrown the referees on the barbeque." - Jim Rome 11/18/02.
Go (first place) Bolts.
Ron
Tobasco Offline
#9 Posted:
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huttman78 . Now as for my reply to You. The Patriots are a 1 Hit Wonder. After this season they will be forgotten as usual. They only got passed the Raiders last year due to some lousy officiating. The Raiders have a very Loyal Fan Base which the Patriots will never have. Lose or win the Raiders will have MILLIONS of Raider Nation Fans. So hahahaha!! To You. Mag
Charlie Offline
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Mag, did not mean to cause a "rift", only a little fun due to the Raiders vs Chiefs battles that happen to be the top rivalry in Pro Sports! I have always said any combination of Broncos, Raiders and Chiefs equals football excitement!!!

AFC WEST, best division in NFL will go to the wire this year and I have no idea who will prevail! I think KC has as much a chance as anybody else in West, but would feel much better if they had their normal defense (this years defense seems to be whoops, was that my man?) of years past!

Too bad you do not enjoy the "Pop" quiz, but most seem to enjoy those very much!

Charlie
Charlie Offline
#11 Posted:
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Mag, the class statement was not meant as a direct slam against you, but the Raider Fans as a whole! They are a rowdy crowd and have caused problems throughout the NFL!

I used to go to the games in LA when KC played the Raiders! Tough crib to visit, whether it is in LA or Oakland!

Charlie
cwilhelmi Offline
#12 Posted:
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Mag - If their are so many avid and loyal Raider fans, why have they only sold out two home games this year? Denver's sold out every game for nearly 40 years, even when we were horrible!!
xibbumbero Offline
#13 Posted:
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I live in sandy eggo. Only when the Raiders come to town do I feel unsafe in my own stadium. Every gangster from here to Oakland show up to taunt the Charger fans from the parking lot to inside the stadium. Fights are common place. a couple of years ago a Charger fan was stabbed while in the stands,also that same day a 70 yr old woman was punched in the face by young Raider fan.
Of course not all Raider fans are like this but we sure get our share of them when they come to town. X
Tobasco Offline
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Charlie thanks for clarifying your class statement. I did take it a little personally. I do know about our Roudy Reputation and am not Proud of all of that. I go to Niner & Raider games. There is a difference. I hope one day any fans can go to any stadium without fear of wearing his or her colors. Its a little overstated though. Just like in the news only the bad gets attention. Ive been in the BLACK HOLE 2 times its hairy in there but fun too. MAG
Tobasco Offline
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cwilhelmi , Well its like this. A very large number of Raider fans are your blue collar worker types. Not rich and maybe living week to week on thier paychecks. If the game isnt sold out by Thursday the game isnt considered a sellout. In oakland many buy thier tix on friday. Thats not soon enough. By sunday many games are sold out but not in time. Remember this is Oakland not Denver where there are lots of stuck up rich all over the place. I hope this answers your question. Mag
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ANY MORE RIPS OR COMMENTS OUT THERE? BRING EM ON !! MAG
SteveS Offline
#17 Posted:
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hey, Magnafied ... I've got a question ...

how come we didn't see you at the herf yesterday?
Tobasco Offline
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SteveS, I thought about all of you out there ALL DAY.
I wish I could have made it but my Wife returned from Africa on friday and I hadnt seen her for 3 weeks.We had a lot of catching up to do. Next time Im sure I'll make it. Mag
rayder1 Offline
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It was a sweet game. I was sitting in the south end zone seats....just above the Black Hole. Funny thing...Oakland PD is pretty danged quick to take care of problems. You hardly see fights at the games.

I do see things at the game that the camera missed. I wonder how that supid hanging camera looked on TV. Looked like Play Station when they showed it on diamond vision. It was real distraction to see that thing zooming all around the field during the play.

We had no less than 3 bona fide fumbles that weren't called fumbles by the refs or the game would have been in the 40 point range for the Raiders. New England managed to make enough mistakes to keep the refs busy though so it all worked out in the end.

Halftime show was the Raiderettes through the decades. They brought out the original squads from each decade since the 60's for the show. The 60's cheerleaders looked a bit gramdma-ish but it was good to see most of them still had "it".

Good game...sorry the 9ers didn't help out by beating the Chargers. guess we will have to do it ourselves.
cwilhelmi Offline
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I've lived in Denver and I cuurently live in Cali, don't even try and call Denver stuck up and rich when comparing it to Oakland or anywhere else in cali. Have you ever been to Denver? Most people who haven't think it's a cow town, I've never heard anyone call it stuck up!!

And the Raiders used to sell out, don't give me this blue collar ****, their fans have enough money to buy twice as much as any other team in merchandise every year but they can't go to a game? There's only 8 regular season home games for crying out loud!!
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a couple of quick additions to this thread ...

one, the Raiders USED to sell out when the Oakland Colliseum had far fewer seats than it has now ... that huge "Mount Davis" was built to help lure Al back to the Bay Area on the assumption there was an endless number of willing buyers for the seats ...

two, the biggest problem for season ticket AND single game ticket holders at the Raider games are the PSLs ... far too many of the people who were formerly the mainstays of the Raider crowd have been priced right out of the game ...

three, the PERCEIVED degree of hooliganism and rowdyism at Raider games ... before the move to LA, fans at the colliseum did not dress and behave in the extreme manner that has become the stereotype of Raider fans today ... the ACTUAL problem is not as great as one might assume, given the image that is being portrayed.

Finally, Denver is NOT a stuck-up rich area ... although I've lived in the Bay Area for more than 30 years, I'm a child of the Rockies and go back to the high country often ... were it not for the reality of having to shovel snow in the winter, Denver would be at the top of my list of places I'd consider moving to if I were to decide to move from where I am.
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I admit I have never been to Denver. I had a roomate who was from aspen and told me what things are like there from his perspective. I dont think some of you realize that Raiders tix are the most expensive in the league. Next steve is right about MountDavis those seats are terrible. Next you couldnt have ever been to Oakland Collisium and seen the poor nieghborhood you pass through to get there. Im sure its not as nice as Denver. Thats why murder and violent crime is common in Oakland. This isnt Raider Fans Fault. You dont have to go to the game to be a Loyal Raider Fan. Do you think that a poor person who watches & roots for the Raiders at home on TV or the radio if thats all he can afford makes him any less loyal To the Raider Nation? I dont think so. Mag
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Mile High is located off of Federal Blvd. Every Cinco de Mayo for the last 20 years there have been killings along this street, that and having worked in this area I would hardly call it paradise, much less safe! And can you really say Candlestick is in a good area? I've been there twice this year and "nice" didn't come to mind at all except for when the Broncos won!

If the prices are so high and they're not selling out, why not fight the PSL's or try and make something work, it's just unbelievable for me to have the games blocked out in your home city!

As far as Aspen here's my opinion... Aspen is 100 plus miles away from Denver, it's one of the most expensive and exclusive resort towns in the world, Denver and Aspen have little in common! I admit that Denver has it's snobs, and it has it's rich kids, but it also has poor people, middle class people and the rest, but I've never worried about my safety at a football game!
cwilhelmi Offline
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Make that 160 miles away from Denver...
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cwilhelmi, I think your points are valid. But I think some of mine are too. So lets agree to disagree. But lets also be friends. I think we both want the same thing in the end and that is Peace in the sport world with good competition. Thanks for your responces. Mag(Mikes my real name)
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Mike,
Agreed, I just get fired up when it comes to the rivalry, and the fact that I can't go to the Den v Oak game in December while wearing Bronco gear, at least not without fearing for my life. Hopefully, it will be a sell out so I can watch it on TV...
C
E-Chick Offline
#27 Posted:
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Hate football...but gotta love the 'in your face' pic!

Why, is that an L your flashing there mag? LOL!
tallcool1 Offline
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Raiders are going no were
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#29 Posted:
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how much are the tickets to a raiders game?
Tobasco Offline
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jamesconnors, About $60 for the cheap ones. They have all these extra charges you must pay. I think the ticket says $49. You really dont want to be on "Mount Davis" its too high. You feel like The colesium should have been called "Mile High". Mag
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I forgot about you Tallfool. Why dont you give me a reason why they are going nowhere? What team do you like. Come on lets see what you got! Mag
tailgater Offline
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Maggie,
I hate when "fans" use the ticket price to explain empty seats. $60? That's what Bruins tickets go for and there are 40 home games a year.
And I'm sorry to hear that all Raider fans are too poor to go. "Sports" in Oakland is an oxymoron. Cripes, they couldn't sell out a freaking playoff game for the A's!
And when will you stop blaming the refs for last years snow bowl Ass-Kicking?
Regardless of your opinion of the now infamous "tuck rule", were the refs on defense when the Patriots continued down the field and kicked the game-tying field goal? Did the refs bend over in OT like the Raiders defense? Did the refs call a timeout so the Patriots could clear the snow and ice away for Vintieri's game winner?
EVERY team that lost to the Pats last year cried about something. The Steelers claimed they lost due to Special Teams (like that somehow makes it alright).
The Rams cried that they should have run the ball more and got Marshall Faulk more involved.
There's always a REASON. But the Patriots won when it counted.
The Raiders and their KISS Concert fans don't stand a chance when it counts.
Meanwhile, I've got my season ticket (9 years now) for the WORLD CHAMPION New England Patriots. Spiked shoulder pads not required...
Tobasco Offline
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tailgater, did I get to You that bad? It only hurts when its true. Say World Champions a whole bunch of times. It wont happen again for quite some time.
jjohnson28 Offline
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Mag,TG is just giving you what you asked for,nothing more....If you ask for in your face you get,what?...In your face!!!LOL lose the chip!

"ANY MORE RIPS OR COMMENTS OUT THERE? BRING EM ON !! MAG"

BTW: GO CHIEFS!!!
Tobasco Offline
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jjohnson28, There is no chip. Ive answered every post that I think has merit. My posts in general are not rude like some others. This thread has been active pretty long and there has even been another whole week of games played. I havent seen any one talk about thier teams. Maybe thats because The Raiders may not win every game but are so exciting & intriguing, that you guys cant help but reply to the posts. No other team could have made such a frenzy. The Raiders are my team and I am proud to be a Raider fan. Lets see if ANY other team can get you guys fired up. I dont think so. Win or lose Raiders are the team every one will talk about. Im sorry that some of you got a little upset. That wasnt my original intention but after a few rips that was when My attitude changed a little. At least I try to give my position without ripping a person personally. Too bad some of you arent capable of that. Mag
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My turn, Been to Raider stadium and many others. It is very nice on the inside as far as the set up. Candlestick park is across the street from a trailer park and most cities put stadiums in the poor part of town because the wealty do not want the traffic and noise.

The Raiders tend to choke quite often. They just came out of the last one. If I lived in the area I would have to go with the Niners cause they can change coaches, players, etc and still stay at the top. Probably a better reason for lack of ticket sales.

The Cowboys sell out their stadium and the visitors stadiums.

With the low scoring games this year it is too difficult to pick with team will score more than 10 points much less win.
Tobasco Offline
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Why is it that all any one wants to talk about is attendance,fan dress,the class of fans and just about everything but football itself. Why dont any of you so called sport fans talk about your offence or defence or how you plan to stop The Raiders . Im tired of defending these other meaningless issues. If anyone wants to talk FOOTBALL Im game. But its easy to rip on the Raiders when you really dont live in the bay area and just see or read highlites on the news. I know that some of you do live out here and your responces I do take more to heart. This will be MY last post on this thread unless you have a FOOTBALL comment that I consider valid. No hard feelings on My part to any of you. I hope there arent any towards Me. Just trying to have alittle fun with you guys. Mag
rayder1 Offline
#38 Posted:
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Heres a breakdown of the most expensive average ticket prices from a sports paper and web site:
Most expensive

Team Average price
Washington $81.89
Denver 77.41
Jacksonville 62.85
Pittsburgh 62.03
Tennessee 60.94

My seats on the first deck off to the side of the end zone. Face value $47. With annual maintenance fees for my PSL it comes out to about $50 per seat. I was offerred an upgrade to the 40 yd line and the price went up about $5 per seat. $52. The most expensive is the plaza, club and loge club seating. Those give you access to the huge lounge and bar area. I like my field level seats. Never get rained on. Close to the action.

As for rowdy fans, I don't see any more there than I have seen at any other stadium.

Personally I would consider it absolutely stupid to wear opposing team clothes to a game. There is always some a-hole to make a scene over it. The only exception is SF/Oakland baseball or football. It is still the Bay Area and fans really don't mistreat each other overall. More of a friendly rivalry. I have worn Oakland stuff to SF games many times and saw a lot of Niner/Giants fans in Oakland. Not much stupidity.

I went to games in Pittsburg, Miami, SF, Arizona, and LA. I went wearing neutral clothing and quietly rooted my team on. The people around me knew who I was rooting for, but I didn't make a deal about it.

As for Candlestick Park. It is a huge piece of crap. I will never go to another game there. In the winter, more than half the parking lot is under water or mud. Two lane road in, two lane road out. Colder than any other place in the Bay Area. They need a new stadium real bad in SF. I have been to about 4-5 niner games there and about 50 Giants games. No more.

Paying for a license to buy season tickets is ridiculous, but Al Davis started something that is beginning to pop up everywhere. PSL's.

I hope when I renew in a couple years, they won't charge me another $1000 per seat for the right to buy tickets. I will still pony up the bucks and do it anyway, but I would prefer not to. It's hard to be a loyal fan.
Tobasco Offline
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Rayder if you dont have a PSL and go to buy that same ticket you have Its about $60 per seat. That isnt the average that is the cheapest. Ive never had a PSL for the season tix. Wife wouldnt go for it. Now THIS IS MY LAST NON FOOTBALL GAME RESPONCE. Mag
tailgater Offline
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Mag,
I did as you asked. I "brought it on".
Don't get so riled up.
If Raider "fans" were all about football, as you claim to be, then why do they insist on making every home game a queer S&M contest?
And there hasn't been an additional week of football since your post. The Pats/Raiders game was last weekend.
Truth be told, the Patriots were man-handled on both sides of the line. But that doesn't make for interesting banter.
Last season, the Patriots hosted the Rams at home and lost. But come February, WHEN IT COUNTED MOST, the Patriots won. I bet the Rams victory in November is hollow. As will this one be for you Raider "fans" should we meet in the Playoffs.
Besides, this post wasn't about football (as you claim). IT was about revenge. You said it yourself.
Now stop living in the past and realize that the Patriots team you played last weekend had 3 road games and 3,000 miles logged prior to kickoff.
You come to MY crib and you know the results...
Tobasco Offline
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tailgater,You dont get it. Must You show your frustration By lumping in Myself & other Normal Raider fans with the crazys out there. Name calling is for kids. You want to call me a Queer? I bet you wouldnt call me that to My face. I would take care of you in about 2 seconds flat. If you read my other posts I dont try to resort to name calling. Little kids do that. The 3000 mile excuse is all that is, an excuse.Dont post anything on my threads please, I only deal with adults.
jjohnson28 Offline
#42 Posted:
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Yo MagnaChip!Chip,Chip,Chip,Chip,Chip.Get over yourself,will ya?

'My posts in general are not rude like some others." Chip!

"At least I try to give my position without ripping a person personally. Too bad some of you arent capable of that." Waaaaaaaaaaaaa!Chip...Chip...Chip.

"tailgater,You dont get it. Must You show your frustration By lumping in Myself & other Normal Raider fans with the crazys out there. Name calling is for kids. You want to call me a Queer? I bet you wouldnt call me that to My face. I would take care of you in about 2 seconds flat. If you read my other posts I dont try to resort to name calling. Little kids do that. The 3000 mile excuse is all that is, an excuse.Dont post anything on my threads please, I only deal with adults." Whoa! MegaChip!

Yep name calling=childish but threatening somebody? Wow how very adult of you MagnaChip. LMAO@MagnaChip...
Tobasco Offline
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jjohnson28,Now I Know what "tailgater" stands for. You must be his butt buddy. Now how does that feel Little Johnson? See what I mean? I could talk with a trash mouth like your "buddy" if I want to. Thats not how I think though. You must be a nosey person to think that You need to defend someone who hasnt asked for it. Why cant you mind your own business. If you were to read ALL THE POSTS you might understand where Im coming from. I even agreed with points that others made and said that in one of the posts I gave. Get a life of Your own and stay out of Mine. Tailgater If do read this post I apologize for getting mad & Saying what I said. You just seem to know how to push the right buttons to piss me off. The above example was used to make my point but not really what I think. I just wanted to show that there is too much of that and it doesnt feel good when directed towards someone. Mag
Charlie Offline
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Mag, I will say one thing for you,,,,,you are a true Raider fan! The biggest problem the Raiders have is Al Davis...........KC Chiefs fans are very grateful for the way he extended Marcus Allen's career by having him sit on the bench for most of three seasons!

Marcus will go into the Hall of Fame as a KC Chief, and is probably the one back I would pick to make a first down on 4th down when you needed a yard or so to make it!

As I have said previously any combination of KC Chiefs, Denver Broncos and Oakland Raiders makes for pure football excitement! Go Chiefs!

Charlie
Tobasco Offline
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Charlie, You are right about Marcus Allen. That was too bad how Al Davis treated him. My favorite Raider back who probably would have been a Hall of Famer was Bo Jackson. He got that hip pointer and that finished his career. What a waste of talent. Thanks for the post. I respect your opinion. Mag
Charlie Offline
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Bo was great and would have been one of the all time greats if he had not insisted on being a two sport player! What a great athelete he was! "Bo Knows"!

Charlie
tailgater Offline
#47 Posted:
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Maggie,
Chill your panties.
I didn't call you queer. I was merely describing the choice of attire that many Raider "fans" wear to games.
Don't you get it? Read my first couple posts on this thread. I realize the Pats got beaten by more than the score showed.
But I know that it doesn't even begin to make up for the "revenge" factor that you in Oakland have been harboring since last January. It's evident in your frustration.
I hope we do meet.
So we can smoke a nice cigar!
PS: My team is still the World Champs....
tailgater Offline
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Opps, almost forgot.
Man to man. Apology accepted.
And appreciated, although not necessary. A lot gets said on this board, and I find it difficult to type with a tone of sarcasm, so my comments are often misunderstood.
If you met me, you'd realize immediately that I'm nothing like I am on this board.
I'm much worse...
jjohnson28 Offline
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Sorry Minifide but the chip seems to be growing in each of your posts.You asked for in your face you got it.Now your cryin' to yo momma about the other kids not playing fair? Bwhahahahaha!That histerical.

Chill out Brother...LOL
jjohnson28 Offline
#50 Posted:
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BTW Minifide,you think I was defending tailgater? HELL NO! I was just trying to keep you from being embrassed.
To late for that now though. :0)
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