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Last post 11 years ago by dubleuhb. 10 replies replies.
A Christian Socialist and the Pledge of Allegiance
Buckwheat Offline
#1 Posted:
Joined: 04-15-2004
Posts: 12,251
Yep our Pledge of Allegiance was written by a Christian Socialist in 1892.

Read about it here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance

People were also instructed to do a "nazi style salute" until around 1942 when the Nazi's started using it. The final version (i.e. today's version) wasn't addopted until 1954.

Not that it makes much difference to most people; I just find this kind of history intresting give all of the political use of the flag, pledge, etc...

Now go about your business and have a good day. fog

ZRX1200 Offline
#2 Posted:
Joined: 07-08-2007
Posts: 60,683
"And justice for all"


No sheet Captain Obvios????!


I don't dig the pledge. Not a liberty freedom inspiring practice regimenting our youth for group think.
tailgater Offline
#3 Posted:
Joined: 06-01-2000
Posts: 26,185
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America.
And to the Republic for which it stands.
One nation (under God), indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.


I'm not a veteran.
I never served to protect our Flag.

But I find the Pledge to be one of the greatest means to verbally express our appreciation to those who have defended our flag, and therefore our nation.

On this day, the anniversary of 9/11, we need to remember what our flag means. It is not those bozos down in DC. It is the people of this greatest nation.

This is neither group-think nor regimenting.
It's a simple matter of respect, and it's sad that so many don't even comprehend what that truly means.

Z, this isn't about you but rather the sentiment in your post. You can't help how you feel. It's just a damn shame that we all can't learn a little perspective rather than worrying about being brain-washed.

DrMaddVibe Offline
#4 Posted:
Joined: 10-21-2000
Posts: 55,634
WOLVERINES!!!!





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DprFYMvWXLo




I already called top bunk!
ZRX1200 Offline
#5 Posted:
Joined: 07-08-2007
Posts: 60,683
Patriotism brings about strong emotions.

Some people like yourself are intelligent enough to take symbolism and still think freely. I'm pretty pessimistic about society at large on that count.

I think Buckwheat was pointing out that a large cross section of social/political class are patriotic. Too bad a day like today is when people remember that.
tailgater Offline
#6 Posted:
Joined: 06-01-2000
Posts: 26,185
ZRX1200 wrote:
Patriotism brings about strong emotions.

Some people like yourself are intelligent enough to take symbolism and still think freely. I'm pretty pessimistic about society at large on that count.

I think Buckwheat was pointing out that a large cross section of social/political class are patriotic. Too bad a day like today is when people remember that.


While some won't "pledge" their allegiance to the Flag or the country in general, most can still be counted upon when it matters most.
Look no further back then 11 years ago today to understand this as fact.

teedubbya Offline
#7 Posted:
Joined: 08-14-2003
Posts: 95,637
I for one think its brave of TG to admit he pledges allegiance to the f a g
dpnewell Offline
#8 Posted:
Joined: 03-16-2009
Posts: 7,491
Bart Simpson: Can I betray the country I pledge allegiance to every day?
Chinese Agent #1: You pledge allegiance to the flag.
Chinese Agent #2: And the flag is made in China.

RICKAMAVEN Offline
#9 Posted:
Joined: 10-01-2000
Posts: 33,248
ROMNEY SALUTES THE FLAG AND SAYS THE PLEDGE.

BUT WHEN CALLED ON HE AND ALL HIS SONS WENT TO FRANCE AS MISSIONARIES,

RUSH GOT HIS DEFFERMENT BECAUSE HE HAD A PIMPLE ON HIS ASS.

Prominent Republicans
Representative Patrick McHenry, R-NC - did not serve. Saw fit to endanger American troops' lives after a visit to Iraq by violating operational security and helping militias target their mortar attacks on the Green Zone.
Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-KY - did not serve (1)
Senate Assistant Minority Leader Trent Lott, R-MI - avoided the draft, did not serve.
Senate Republican Conference Chairman Jon Kyl, R-AZ - did not serve.
Senate Republican Conference Vice Chair John Cornyn, R-TX - did not serve.
National Republican Senatorial Committee Chair John Ensign, R-NV - did not serve.


House Minority Leader John Boehner, R-OH - did not serve.
House Minority Whip Roy Blunt, R-MO - did not serve.
House Republican Conerence Chair Adam Putnam, R-FL - did not serve.
House Republican Policy Committee Thaddeus McCotter, R-MI - did not serve.
National Republican Congressional Committee Chair Tom Cole, R-OK - did not serve.


Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani - did not serve.
Former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney - did not serve in the military but did serve the Mormon Church on a 30-month mission to France.
Former Senator Fred Thompson - did not serve.
Senator John McCain - McCain's naval honors include the Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross. Why did the Bush campaign smear him so in 2000? At least Senators Cleland (D-GA), Kerry (D-MA), Kerrey (D-NE), Robb (D-VA) and Hagel (R-NE) defended him.



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Former Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert - avoided the draft, did not serve.
Former House Majority Leader ****** Armey - avoided the draft, did not serve.
Former House Majority Leader Tom Delay - avoided the draft, did not serve (1). "So many minority youths had volunteered ... that there was literally no room for patriotic folks like himself."
Former House Majority Whip Roy Blunt - did not serve
Former Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist - did not serve. (An impressive medical resume, but not such a friend to cats in Boston.)
Rick Santorum, R-PA, formerly third ranking Republican in the Senate - did not serve. (1)
George Felix Allen, former Republican Senator from Virginia - a supporter of Nixon and the Vietnam war, did not serve. (1)


Former Secretary of Defense Don Rumsfeld - served in the U.S. Navy (1954-57) as an aviator and flight instructor. (1) Served as President Reagan's Special Envoy to the Middle East and met with Saddam Hussein twice in 1983 and 1984.
GW Bush - decided that a six-year Nat'l Guard commitment really means four years. Still says that he's "been to war." Huh?
VP Cheney - several deferments (1, 2), the last by marriage (in his own words, "had other priorities than military service") (1)
Former Att'y Gen. John Ashcroft - did not serve (1, 2); received seven deferment to teach business ed at SW Missouri State

Jeb Bush, Florida Governor - did not serve. (1)


Karl Rove - avoided the draft, did not serve (1), too busy being a Republican.

Former Speaker Newt Gingrich - avoided the draft, did not serve (1, 2)
Former President Ronald Reagan - due to poor eyesight, served in a noncombat role making movies for the Army in southern California during WWII. He later seems to have confused his role as an actor playing a tail gunner with the real thing.
"B-1" Bob Dornan - avoided Korean War combat duty by enrolling in college acting classes (Orange County Weekly article). Enlisted only after the fighting was over in Korea.
Phil Gramm - avoided the draft, did not serve, four (?) student deferments
Congressman Ron Paul - active duty flight surgeon from 1963-65; Air National Guard from 1965-68. (link)
Former Senator Bob Dole - an honorable man. http://www.bobdole.org/bio/wwII.php
Chuck Hagel - two Purple Hearts and a Bronze Star, Vietnam. http://www.senate.gov/~hagel/Information/bio.htm
Duke Cunningham - nominated for the Medal of Honor, received the Navy Cross, two Silver Stars, fifteen Air Medals, the Purple Heart, and several other decorations Recently entered plea bargain on felony charges of bribery, etc. etc.
Senator Jeff Sessions U.S. Army Reserves, 1973-1986
Colin Powell. What are we to make of Powell? On the one hand, a long career as a military manager. On the other hand, accused of covering up the My Lai massacre. Back on that first hand, one of the seemingly sane voices in this administration when it comes to Iraq (or at least he used to be). On the other hand, a clear hypocrite ("I am angry that so many of the sons of the powerful and well-placed... managed to wangle slots in Reserve and National Guard units...")
Representative Wayne Gilchrest (R-MD), served in USMC in Vietnam; wounded in action.

ETC,
dubleuhb Offline
#10 Posted:
Joined: 03-20-2011
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They let you use the computer today, good for you.
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