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jetblasted Offline
#1 Posted: Wed, Sep 12 2012, 2:43 AM EST
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White House declines Netanyahu request to meet with Obama

The White House's response marks a new low in relations between Netanyahu and Obama, underscored by the fact that this is the first time Netanyahu will visit the U.S. as prime minister without meeting Obama; PM to meet with Clinton

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/white-house-declines-netanyahu-request-to-meet-with-obama.premium-1.464328
dpnewell Offline
#2 Posted: Wed, Sep 12 2012, 6:00 AM EST
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Probably has more important things to do, like go on vacation, golf, or oversee the folks producing of his "home brews". Then again, it could be that whole "Muslims hate Jews" thing.
HockeyDad Offline
#3 Posted: Wed, Sep 12 2012, 6:48 AM EST
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Shaul Mofaz understands the situation!



By LAHAV HARKOV, JPOST.COM STAFF

Opposition leader Shaul Mofaz attacked Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu on Wednesday over what he perceives is a growing rift between Israel and the United States, asking rhetorically: "Who are you trying to replace? The administration in Washington or that in Tehran?"

Speaking at a special Knesset session taking place during the summer recess, Mofaz slammed the prime minister for what some believe to be an ongoing diplomatic rift between the two countries. "How far will you allow this deterioration in relations to continue?" he asked. "Prime minister, please tell me who our biggest enemy is. The US or Iran?"

Tensions between the the two countries were reportedly roiling after Netanyahu asked the US to set red lines for Iran’s nuclear program. The prime minister was rebuffed by senior US official, who stated that such ultimatums were unhelpful. In a bid to dispel rumors of a rift, the US State Department announced that Obama spoke with Netanyahu for an hour about Iran and other security issues on Tuesday night.

Mofaz said that Netanyahu's approach was not only alienating a main ally in the US, but was also ineffective in isolating Iran. "We saw the results of Netanyahu’s actions two weeks ago when 120 countries and the secretary-general of the United Nations applauded our greatest enemy," he said. Mofaz was referring to the Non-Aligned Movement summit, hosted by Tehran, and touted by Iranian official for proving that Western diplomatic efforts to sanction the Islamic Republic have failed. "The world will not turn its back on Israel," Mofaz said. "The world is not sick of Israel, the world is sick of Netanyahu and does not believe him."

Mofaz added that the US has an interest in a "strong and secure Israel in permanent borders."
DrMaddVibe Offline
#4 Posted: Wed, Sep 12 2012, 7:49 AM EST
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Smell the glove!

Going on Letterman is more important than any of your influence and stability peddling!

Besides, even if he were to meet with him he'd make him leave out the back loading dock next to the trash!

What a President...respect the Office? Not with the Kenyan King I won't. You fools can.
chemyst Offline
#5 Posted: Wed, Sep 12 2012, 11:39 AM EST
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Did the Israelis riot and burn the American consulate?
Did they murder our Ambassador to Israel?

Oh, sorry. This isn't the Peaceful Islam thread, is it?
HockeyDad Offline
#6 Posted: Wed, Sep 12 2012, 11:47 AM EST
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They might if we cut off the money and war guarantees!
jetblasted Offline
#7 Posted: Wed, Sep 12 2012, 1:08 PM EST
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And we learn that Obama doesn't attend intelligence briefings, while our embassies burn . . .
HockeyDad Offline
#8 Posted: Wed, Sep 12 2012, 1:12 PM EST
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Presidenting ain't easy.
DrafterX Offline
#9 Posted: Wed, Sep 12 2012, 1:25 PM EST
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they should serve beer at the intelligence briefings.... Mellow
Buckwheat Offline
#10 Posted: Wed, Sep 12 2012, 1:55 PM EST
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dpnewell wrote:
Probably has more important things to do, like go on vacation...


George W. Bush, was on vacation more — 1,020 days — than any U.S. President since Herbert Hoover and possibly more than any other President in history.

Source - http://politic365.com/2012/05/08/obamas-vacations-of-any-president-bush-racked-up-the-most/
HockeyDad Offline
#11 Posted: Wed, Sep 12 2012, 1:59 PM EST
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Buckwheat wrote:
George W. Bush, was on vacation more — 1,020 days — than any U.S. President since Herbert Hoover and possibly more than any other President in history.

Source - http://politic365.com/2012/05/08/obamas-vacations-of-any-president-bush-racked-up-the-most/




Yes, it is Bush's fault.
Buckwheat Offline
#12 Posted: Wed, Sep 12 2012, 2:41 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Yes, it is Bush's fault.


Not his fault. I was just pointing out that in terms of vacation days spent Bush wins again!!
DrafterX Offline
#13 Posted: Wed, Sep 12 2012, 2:56 PM EST
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do days back home at the ranch count as vacation days..?? I think there's phones and stuff at Camp David also.... Think
teedubbya Offline
#14 Posted: Wed, Sep 12 2012, 4:14 PM EST
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I for one wish Bush took a lot more vacations than he did... like a 5 year one stretching over his last term (for which a bunch of **** idiots put him back in) and the last year of his first term.
jackconrad Offline
#15 Posted: Wed, Sep 12 2012, 8:11 PM EST
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This man cannot be Re-Elected.
rfenst Offline
#16 Posted: Wed, Sep 12 2012, 9:31 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
do days back home at the ranch count as vacation days..?? I think there's phones and stuff at Camp David also.... Think


You don't think a President traveling on Air Force One with aids and staffers and all the technology is "in the loop" while in the air and on the ground? Remember back to 9/11 when Bush was reading to the kids and was told something terrible had happened? I am willing to bet he wouldn't have been alerted any faster than he was had he been in the Presidential Residence relaxing, out for a jog, or even sitting in the Oval Office. Some of what i am reading leads me to conclude that no President should ever leave the White House...
bloody spaniard Offline
#17 Posted: Wed, Sep 12 2012, 9:51 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I for one wish Bush took a lot more vacations than he did... like a 5 year one stretching over his last term (for which a bunch of **** idiots put him back in) and the last year of his first term.

Applause Applause Applause

... and he was such a disaster that he opened the way for an inexperienced, know- nothing and his imbecile sidekick.



No matter what our Hussein says or does, Netanyahu will probably act shortly.Pray
DrMaddVibe Offline
#18 Posted: Thu, Sep 13 2012, 6:39 AM EST
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bloody spaniard wrote:
No matter what our Hussein says or does, Netanyahu will probably act shortly.Pray



He has a small but powerful nation to lead. He will act for his people not in retaliation. There won't be an apology or bowing from this leader.

Now wonder Owedumba won't meet with him...he's afraid some of that Spine and Leadership might rub off on him!
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#19 Posted: Thu, Sep 13 2012, 5:46 PM EST
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Netanyahu comments on Obama phone call

Prime Minister Netanyahu wouldn't get into specifics with the media about his phone call with President Obama in the wee hours of Wednesday morning.

Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu, in a conversation with The Jerusalem Post, characterized his post-midnight telephone call Wednesday with US President Barack Obama as a "good conversation."

"We spoke about our common goal of stopping Iran from developing its nuclear weapons program, and our desire to closely coordinate our efforts," he said.

When asked whether Obama referred to his comments that those who do not place red lines in front of the Iranians cannot place a red light in front of Israel, Netanyahu replied that he was "not going to get into details of this discussion."

"Obviously I have my views and am not exactly shy about expressing them when I think that Israel's vital security concerns are involved," he said. "This is my responsibility as the prime minister of the Jewish state. We are facing the greatest security challenge of any country on the face of the earth, and when I feel I need to speak out, I do."
Bottom line: The Prime Minister of the United States' most important ally in the Middle East (and one of its most important allies in the world) asked to meet with the President of the United States regarding the number one security issue on the international agenda. The President of the United States doesn't have time to meet him because he is too busy partying with the Muslim Brotherhood President of Egypt and cracking jokes with David Letterman.

And he still claims that 'relations with Israel have never been closer' and that he's 'got Israel's back.'

Draw your own conclusions.

http://israelmatzav.blogspot.com/2012/09/netanyahu-comments-on-obama-phone-call.html


"Draw your own conclusions." - I already did...If Israel is going to do ANYTHING...they're on their own and this stooge of a man that some call a President isn't going to do a damn thing! Fire away...do whatever you have to do as a nation to protect yourself from the threat Owedumba put all along your borders!

The sooner the better.
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#20 Posted: Thu, Sep 13 2012, 6:05 PM EST
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But wait...it gets better!

UNREAL… Obama Invites Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood President to Meet Next Week – Refuses to Meet Netanyahu




Unbelievable!…Barack Obama invited Muslim Brotherhood Egyptian President Mohammad Morsi to meet with him in New York next week.

But, not Netanyahu.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu lectured Barack Obama in the Oval Office on the dangers facing the Jews back in May 2011.

But… Barack Obama won’t meet with Israeli leader Netanyahu over Iran row.

He’s going to be campaigning and on Letterman.

Reuters reported:

The White House has rejected a request by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to meet President Barack Obama in the United States this month, an Israeli official said on Tuesday, after a row erupted between the allies over Iran’s nuclear programme.

An Israeli official told Reuters on condition of anonymity that Netanyahu’s aides had asked for a meeting when he visits the United Nations this month, and “the White House has got back to us and said it appears a meeting is not possible. It said that the president’s schedule will not permit that”.

Netanyahu has met with Obama on all the Israeli leader’s U.S. trips since 2009.

Earlier today President Muhammad Morsi promised to sue the US filmmakers who produced a movie that insulted the prophet Mohammad.

UPDATE: Barack Obama told NBC tonight “I don’t think that we would consider (Egypt) an ally.”
(Maybe he should have thought about that before he threw Mubarak under the bus!)

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/09/unreal-obama-invites-muslim-brotherhood-egyptian-leader-to-meet-next-week-refuses-to-meet-netanyahu/



Do what ya gotta do BiBi!
OldSchool Offline
#21 Posted: Thu, Sep 13 2012, 9:35 PM EST
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Abdul Mustafa is the ultimate douchknuckle.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#22 Posted: Thu, Sep 13 2012, 9:55 PM EST
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OldSchool wrote:
Abdul Mustafa is the ultimate douchknuckle.



Ya gotta work it girl....Pray
HockeyDad Offline
#23 Posted: Fri, Sep 14 2012, 6:21 AM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:


"Draw your own conclusions." - I already did...If Israel is going to do ANYTHING...they're on their own and this stooge of a man that some call a President isn't going to do a damn thing! Fire away...do whatever you have to do as a nation to protect yourself from the threat Owedumba put all along your borders!

The sooner the better.



Israel won't do anything until they have the guarantee the you and the rest of the US taxpayers will cover all the costs of the war, reconstruction, and economic damage.

At the same time, Israel isn't real good at finding peaceful solutions!

Netanyahoo is like a kid in a candy store......he wants war real bad but doesn't have the money for it so he's screaming at daddy to give it to him!
DrMaddVibe Offline
#24 Posted: Fri, Sep 14 2012, 7:58 AM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Israel won't do anything until they have the guarantee the you and the rest of the US taxpayers will cover all the costs of the war, reconstruction, and economic damage.

At the same time, Israel isn't real good at finding peaceful solutions!

Netanyahoo is like a kid in a candy store......he wants war real bad but doesn't have the money for it so he's screaming at daddy to give it to him!



I disagree...they have the money...they want the "blessing". They want assurances that we'll have their back after the attack.

They can cover the mission all by themselves and do a better job than the sloppy "Shock & Awe" party we throw. Theirs would be like clockwork precision. It would be like watching a plastic surgeon carve off a prime rib from a cow.

They want a backstop...they want the Big Brother to stop the other bullies from dogpiling on them. This ineffective stooge, Owedumba...most call a President can't even wipe his own ass, much less guarantee anything to his enemy...Israel. Yeah, Israel is HIS enemy. It's about time we face the facts. He's toppled regime after regime to install the Muslim Brotherhood. He's bankrolled them, supplied our military to do their bidding and committed God knows how many more war crimes so he could put more enemies at the gate. He's threatened Israel and stockpiled their enemies.

Now, they know what kind of man they're dealing with.

I still say they go alone...face the repercussions and make the Kenyan King look weak while doing it. What's he going to do...put our military against theirs?
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#25 Posted: Fri, Sep 14 2012, 8:43 AM EST
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When you examine the range of the mission, the refueling necessity, flyovers of Turkey, Syria, Jordan, Iraq, and/or Saudi Arabia, and the sheer number of targets....the idea of Israel going it alone doesn't look so promising. Realistically it will require a sustained air campaign, not just a single precision strike. The longer the air campaign, the better chance for other nations to become outraged.

What Israel does have going for it are Jericho missiles with nuclear warheads.

Netanyahoo doesn't even have the full support of Israelis to go starting a new war. He needs the USA to conduct the war but unfortunately Obama isn't even going to consider it as long as the American public polls heavily against it.

Netanyahoo has played his cards and now is being called for it. He needs President Romney to unleash angelic angels of fury on Iran. Meanwhile Obama will be re-elected with heavy support from the American Jewish community. Sucks for Netanyahoo.

I would prefer to see Netanyahoo and AkmenaHidenIman put in a cage match with Swiss army knives where they can fight to the death and not accidentally start Armageddon.
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#26 Posted: Fri, Sep 14 2012, 10:10 AM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
What Israel does have going for it are Jericho missiles with nuclear warheads.



With that kooky I'minadinnerjacket coming to the UN on Yom Kippur...I'm positive he'll put his foot in his mouth.

Who knows...maybe a Mossad team welcomes him to New York!
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#27 Posted: Fri, Sep 14 2012, 10:15 AM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
With that kooky I'minadinnerjacket coming to the UN on Yom Kippur...I'm positive he'll put his foot in his mouth.

Who knows...maybe a Mossad team welcomes him to New York!



Ackmenacamelrider talks a big game but the clerics actually control all the power to start a war. Israel taking him out would do wonders for uniting the Muslim world. Prolly more likely a Mossad team gets sent to Washington DC.
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#28 Posted: Fri, Sep 14 2012, 10:18 AM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Ackmenacamelrider talks a big game but the clerics actually control all the power to start a war. Israel taking him out would do wonders for uniting the Muslim world. Prolly more likely a Mossad team gets sent to Washington DC.


Those "clerics" whip out some really crazy statements about the destruction of Israel too!

Riight...when BiBi calls you betta answer the damn phone!
teedubbya Offline
#29 Posted: Fri, Sep 14 2012, 10:19 AM EST
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I suspect we are more capable than the israelis in virtully every sense. I don't really understand why anyone would rip on our military abilities especially since we have been able to fine tune things in real world excersizes over the last decade or so. It seems to me to be vougue in some circles to try to run down everything about America. It's odd.

Rip on the Big O and our leadership but don't let that bleed into our capabilities (military and otherwise). I don't get it.
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#30 Posted: Fri, Sep 14 2012, 10:21 AM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Those "clerics" whip out some really crazy statements about the destruction of Israel too!

Riight...when BiBi calls you betta answer the damn phone!




...but some of those clerics also say things like stop antagonizing Israel.

When Bibi calls I'm sending it to voice mail and tell him to send Israeli kids off to war, not American kids.
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#31 Posted: Fri, Sep 14 2012, 10:23 AM EST
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Give bibi my regards and tell him he forgot to return my copy of caddyshack.... he loves that movie
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#32 Posted: Fri, Sep 14 2012, 10:23 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I suspect we are more capable than the israelis in virtully every sense. I don't really understand why anyone would rip on our military abilities especially since we have been able to fine tune things in real world excersizes over the last decade or so. It seems to me to be vougue in some circles to try to run down everything about America. It's odd.

Rip on the Big O and our leadership but don't let that bleed into our capabilities (military and otherwise). I don't get it.




Are you arguing a strawman? Did someone rip on USA military capabilities?
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#33 Posted: Fri, Sep 14 2012, 10:25 AM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
When Bibi calls I'm sending it to voice mail and tell him to send Israeli kids off to war, not American kids.



Applause Applause Applause

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#34 Posted: Fri, Sep 14 2012, 10:26 AM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Are you arguing a strawman? Did someone rip on USA military capabilities?



Who the hell knows????Gonz
HockeyDad Offline
#35 Posted: Fri, Sep 14 2012, 10:27 AM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Who the hell knows????Gonz



Its like TW is having his own conversation with nobody! He's gone all Ricka on us!
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#36 Posted: Fri, Sep 14 2012, 10:29 AM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Its like TW is having his own conversation with nobody! He's gone all Ricka on us!



Must be the Key Lime Spritzers, he did say he wasn't going to talk about vaginas...Rick calls them ****!
bloody spaniard Offline
#37 Posted: Fri, Sep 14 2012, 10:31 AM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
...but some of those clerics also say things like stop antagonizing Israel.
When Bibi calls I'm sending it to voice mail and tell him to send Israeli kids off to war, not American kids.



Not me! I'm donning my Che Guevara beret & volunteering for the Depends Freedom Brigade to fight!!!ram27bat
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#38 Posted: Fri, Sep 14 2012, 10:35 AM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Are you arguing a strawman? Did someone rip on USA military capabilities?


DrMaddVibe wrote:

They can cover the mission all by themselves and do a better job than the sloppy "Shock & Awe" party we throw.



No strawman but maybe read into one line too much. I don't find our shock and awe to be all that sloppy. I actually think we are getting pretty efficient at killing people and blowing things up *shrug*

I think you see strawmen in your sleep LOL
teedubbya Offline
#39 Posted: Fri, Sep 14 2012, 10:39 AM EST
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oh yea

and


Vagina
DrMaddVibe Offline
#40 Posted: Fri, Sep 14 2012, 11:50 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
No strawman but maybe read into one line too much. I don't find our shock and awe to be all that sloppy. I actually think we are getting pretty efficient at killing people and blowing things up *shrug*

I think you see strawmen in your sleep LOL



Oh that?

Yeah...we real gud at blowin' stuf up!
HockeyDad Offline
#41 Posted: Fri, Sep 14 2012, 12:38 PM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Oh that?

Yeah...we real gud at blowin' stuf up!




It's one of our leading exports!
teedubbya Offline
#42 Posted: Fri, Sep 14 2012, 12:57 PM EST
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see? yall agree wit me. Mark the calandar
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#43 Posted: Fri, Sep 14 2012, 1:10 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
see? yall agree wit me. Mark the calandar



Wow...you're not Cindy Brady for cripes sake!
DrafterX Offline
#44 Posted: Fri, Sep 14 2012, 1:11 PM EST
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I heard he was banned... Mellow
HockeyDad Offline
#45 Posted: Fri, Sep 14 2012, 1:27 PM EST
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I heard that as well.
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#46 Posted: Fri, Sep 14 2012, 1:31 PM EST
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In defense of DMV's comment, when you go on TV and proclaim "shock & awe" people expect the firebombing of Dresden or Yokohama, not a couple of precision strikes designed to blow up one room of a building
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#47 Posted: Fri, Sep 14 2012, 2:40 PM EST
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Hey now, Obama was going to meet with him. But his mom made him stay home and put the air conditioners away and sweep out the garage.

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#48 Posted: Fri, Sep 14 2012, 4:04 PM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
I disagree...they have the money...they want the "blessing". They want assurances that we'll have their back after the attack.

They can cover the mission all by themselves and do a better job than the sloppy "Shock & Awe" party we throw. Theirs would be like clockwork precision. It would be like watching a plastic surgeon carve off a prime rib from a cow.

They want a backstop...they want the Big Brother to stop the other bullies from dogpiling on them.


I agree with this.
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#49 Posted: Fri, Sep 14 2012, 4:10 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Ackmenacamelrider talks a big game but the clerics actually control all the power to start a war. Israel taking him out would do wonders for uniting the Muslim world.


I tend to agree.
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#50 Posted: Sat, Sep 15 2012, 7:42 AM EST
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We should know the answer relatively soon as to whether Israel has the capabilities to attack Iran and cripple their nuclear program.

The recent run-up in oil and gasoline prices is directly tied to speculation that Israel will either attack Iran before the November US Presidential election as an "October Surprise" or Israel will attack Iran immediately after President Obama is re-elected and it is clear that the USA will not conduct a new war for Israel.

If Obama is re-elected and we're sitting here on New Years Day discussing the possibility of an Israeli attack on Iran, we will know the answer is that Israel doesn't have the military capability to strike a crippling blow.

The other conversation we could be having is how long will gasoline be at $8/gallon and how can we stop the new Middle East War from turning into World War 3.

The other option for discussion will be guesstimates on what the timeline will be for President Mitt Romney to declare war on Iran and will it involve ground troops invading in the heat of summer or can we get it going while it is still spring. (and how long will gasoline be at $8/gallon!)

Happy New Year!
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