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Dead US Diplomat; Obama Keeps Political Schedule
Gene363 Online
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Ignoring his total failure Obama keeps up his bid for reelection.

Quote:
"Despite Libyan Crisis, Obama Campaign Plans to Stay on Schedule" From the September 12, 2012


From the NY Times, no less.

Politics, more important than a dead US diplomat or an attack on our embassy, what a loser.

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But what's the ham sammich doing? Enquiring minds want to know!
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He is running from the problems that he created..
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Arab Spring brings Poo Showers!
rfenst Online
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Arab Spring brings Poo Showers!


OK, this is not a good thing that happened. In fact, it is very bad and very troubling.

Now, what exactly should any President be doing right now (not an Obama question?
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rfenst wrote:
Now, what exactly should any President be doing right now



Bombing Iran.
Gene363 Online
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rfenst wrote:
OK, this is not a good thing that happened. In fact, it is very bad and very troubling.

Now, what exactly should any President be doing right now (not an Obama question?


Acting Presidential. What would President Regan have done?

It would not amount to, "Opps, we are so sorry we are in your country trying to help you."
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HockeyDad wrote:
Bombing Iran.


You are jumping ahead, but I don't think Putin wants that to happen just yet.
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Gene363 wrote:

You are jumping ahead, but I don't think Putin wants that to happen just yet.

It's up to China, not Russia. The Chinese own most of our debt, so they'd be the ones to green light our foreign policy.
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DadZilla3 wrote:
It's up to China, not Russia. The Chinese own most of our debt, so they'd be the ones to green light our foreign policy.


Wrong.

Fully two-thirds of the national debt is owed to the U.S. government, American investors and future retirees, through the Social Security Trust Fund and pension plans for civil service workers and military personnel. China, it turns out, holds less than 8 percent of the money our government has borrowed over the years.

“It is true that China is the largest foreign owner of our debt,” said Josh Gordon, policy director of the Concord Coalition, a Virginia-based nonprofit that advocates getting the nation’s debt under control. “But the vast majority of our debt is held by us.'"


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09/04/who-do-owe-most-that-16-trillion-to-hint-it-isnt-china/
rfenst Online
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Gene363 wrote:

Acting Presidential. What would President Regan have done?

It would not amount to, "Opps, we are so sorry we are in your country trying to help you."


Come on Gene: "Acting Presidential" is way too vague. Besides, it is a circular response.

What should any President who is running for re-election have done? Suspend the campaign? Go back to Washington to hold a Press Conference from the White house? Address the matter in a White House Speech? Help me out here. Be specific.
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rfenst wrote:
Wrong.

Fully two-thirds of the national debt is owed to the U.S. government, American investors and future retirees, through the Social Security Trust Fund and pension plans for civil service workers and military personnel. China, it turns out, holds less than 8 percent of the money our government has borrowed over the years.

“It is true that China is the largest foreign owner of our debt,” said Josh Gordon, policy director of the Concord Coalition, a Virginia-based nonprofit that advocates getting the nation’s debt under control. “But the vast majority of our debt is held by us.'"


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09/04/who-do-owe-most-that-16-trillion-to-hint-it-isnt-china/

So we are in hock 56 trillion and change to our fellow working Americans, future retirees, the Social Security trust fund, civil service pensions, and only 8% to the Chinese.

I feel better already.

http://www.usdebtclock.org/
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DadZilla3 wrote:
So we are in hock 56 trillion and change to our fellow working Americans, future retirees, the Social Security trust fund, civil service pensions, and only 8% to the Chinese.

I feel better already.

http://www.usdebtclock.org/



When the national bankruptcy is declared, we will be mainly screwing fellow Americans.
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rfenst wrote:
OK, this is not a good thing that happened. In fact, it is very bad and very troubling.

Now, what exactly should any President be doing right now (not an Obama question?



Owedumba isn't just "any" President! He's The One you've been waiting for! He's Hope and Change!

He has fundraisers with Jay-Z and Beyonce and an appearance on the David Letterman Show to attend! Forget about actually DOING something! Appeasing terrorist organizations is what he already DID! It's like 1979 all over again. Embassies being stormed, thank God at least this time they KILLED the ambassador and staff versus holding them hostage for years, Owedumba gets a pass on that!

This is why you DON'T elect Presidents that have ZERO EXECUTIVE EXPERIENCE!


Now you're crying..."what should we do???"...too late for that hand wringing. We're stuck with this buffoon and his court jester sidekick learning on the job! This is that 3am phone call Hillary warned people against...this is that experience matters that Palin talked about. TOO LATE pal, this boat has already crashed ashore like that Italian luxury liner! What did Owedumba do? Threw the Embassy under the bus!

Instead of playing golf, going on vacations and playing hoops perhaps this jackass should've been attending his intel breifings! HE JUST MIGHT'VE KNOWN WTF WAS GOING ON! Instead, he went to sleep and woke up the next morning to hear that part of his administration was killed. Then he issued apologies! Then he said he was going to "work" with their government! Earth to Robert...he's in bed with them already and wants to give ONE BILLION of your taxpaying dollars to them! Have no fear, they're gonna get it too...he'll side-stepped Congress (ANOTHER CRIME or the Kenyan King!) What did we get for that cash? The blood is all over his hands and the hands of those that support this learn as we go ineffectual and weak leadership that America now has!

A real leader would make time to sit down with other world leaders but I suppose that's too much to ask from this jackwagon. He has a political schedule to adhere to and fans to go meet.

Wake up...this is your guy...the same guy that was screaming from the rafters in Charlotte..."I KILLED OSAMA BIN LADEN!!" with every sycophant speech after another. Ever think for a second that that might've pissed off radical elements in far off places? It was NEVER about some rinky-dink YouTube video! Oh, it was a rich sell to the American Karaoke and Jersey Shore tv viewers but over there...they were taking notes. Radicals don't value human life or the Freedoms we hold dear here. That's a freebie from Uncle DMV for the Kenyan King right there. He doesn't believe that but it's a fact. He SHOULD know that..he LIVED in one of those muslim controlled nations! Instead what did he do at the DNC? Trotted out Bill Clinton...a President that has ads for this guy where he said it took Courage to take out OBL...Hello...If Bubba was doing HIS job instead of getting his wee-wee sucked he'd had him dead BEFORE 9-11 ever happened!!! Then let's trot out Jimmy Carter...a President so damn bad that I thought it was impossible to top the ineptitude and sorry-assed leadership America had put up with...for what...to show American's how damn bad they are with the Kenyan King??? JOhnKErry...a man that threw his medals, that he so desperately earned like they were dog crap over the White House fence...oh wait...he has them in his office...a real wishy washy sham that tried to run for the office but we'd have none of that flavor! No, stay over there with your polls and hand-wringing. Keep on praying for that Hope and Change. This incident should be GAME OVER for his candidacy, but you're going to vote for him no matter what.
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DadZilla3 wrote:
So we are in hock 56 trillion and change to our fellow working Americans, future retirees, the Social Security trust fund, civil service pensions, and only 8% to the Chinese.

I feel better already.

http://www.usdebtclock.org/


Me too.
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rfenst wrote:
Me too.



Well, not me.

This is what topples nations.

Our credit rating will take another downgrade. Watch!

Owedumba has kicked the can so far down the road and piled on to a problem that anyone with an iota of common sense could see. There is a yoke upon the youth of America now...even the unborn children and grandchildren...they're SLAVES TO DEBT. A debt they had no voice in creating. A debt they will somehow have to pay off and with the abortion mills cranking away at full steam...the herd is thinning instead of stabilizing or increasing...there's no way the ponzi scheme keeps running. The entitlements were grabbed by people that didn't pay in...those that did will receive pennies on the dollar if ANYTHING. Yeah, there...I said it. Be prepared for NOTHING!

Plan for a US bankruptcy. It's going to happen. It's inevitable. It's like that old drunk uncle...he keeps on drinking and drinking...despite all the help family members give him...he has to keep on drinking...doesn't matter how bad he feels the next morning or what damage he's doing to his longevity...he's going to get torn up from the floor up drunk. That's the same with our Federal Reserve...substitute drinking for spending...hell, add drinking to the spending...throw in heroin abuse too...oh what the hell a little meth never hurt anyone...add that to the mix too...the Federal Reserve is out of control. The charter is up for renewal this year. Guess who gets to decide if they get it?


YEAAAAAA!


America...**** yeah!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Et0Bssnm1mw


As long as OUR side wins...yeah...we gotta win this game! It's a game...yeah! One more for the Gipper!
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
This is what topples nations.


We've got lotsa company.

http://www.usdebtclock.org/world-debt-clock.html

So far one of the more important 2x4's keeping the creaking roof over our heads is the perpetuation of the dollar as the world's reserve currency. These days we're just one of the marginally healthier horses in the glue factory.
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wow, hillary's response seems more apologetic to the muslims than to the ambassador's family.

"To us, to me personally, this video is disgusting and reprehensible," Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said Thursday. "It appears to have a deeply cynical purpose, to denigrate a great religion and to provoke rage.
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Papachristou wrote:
wow, hillary's response seems more apologetic to the muslims than to the ambassador's family.

"To us, to me personally, this video is disgusting and reprehensible," Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said Thursday. "It appears to have a deeply cynical purpose, to denigrate a great religion and to provoke rage.



it prolly won't be called terrorism either... Mellow
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The video is a joke.

This was preplanned and organized before it was released. This was an anniversary event.
Gene363 Online
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rfenst wrote:
Come on Gene: "Acting Presidential" is way too vague. Besides, it is a circular response.

What should any President who is running for re-election have done? Suspend the campaign? Go back to Washington to hold a Press Conference from the White house? Address the matter in a White House Speech? Help me out here. Be specific.


Any protest that destroys US property or personnel will be responded to in kind, x100. Tell the savages we will not impair our freedoms to indulge their religious fantasies.

Your own suggestions are not bad either.
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ZRX1200 wrote:
The video is a joke.

This was preplanned and organized before it was released. This was an anniversary event.


yes,,,,
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DrafterX wrote:
it prolly won't be called terrorism either... Mellow



Ah yeah, the ol' "Workplace Violence" moniker!horse
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Leading from behind

Obama went to sleep Tuesday night without knowing what happened to Ambassador Stevens

In the IDF, the motto for all officers, and the ethos that they are taught is 'acharay' (follow me). Commanders lead their troops into battle. That is clearly not the case in Washington.

If you read this account of how and when President Obama knew what happened to US Ambassador to Libya Chris Stevens (pictured above being dragged through the streets of Benghazi), it is clear that Obama went to sleep Tuesday night without even bothering to confirm Stevens' fate.

A White House official said national security advisor Tom Donilon first briefed the president on the violence in Benghazi on Tuesday afternoon, at the top of a weekly meeting with the Defense Secretary Leon E. Panetta and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Martin Dempsey.

The president was updated throughout the evening, and notified late Tuesday that Stevens was unaccounted for. Obama learned Wednesday that Stevens was confirmed dead Wednesday morning, the official said.

Maybe Obama was busy sorting out quarters for his trip to Las Vegas? By comparison, the night that the Navy Seals killed Osama Bin Laden, Mr. 'Gutsiest Call Ever' went on national television at 11:30 pm (6:30 am here in Israel) to announce it. But then, Chris Stevens isn't going to play any role in reelecting him anyway.

Chris Stevens was a career diplomat and not an Obama bundler like many other US ambassadors. Maybe that's why Obama couldn't give a damn about him.


http://israelmatzav.blogspot.com/2012/09/leading-from-behind-obama-went-to-sleep.html



Yeah...he doesn't DESERVE a 2nd term!
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Breaking: John Kerry, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid Criticize President's Mid East Response


The press tried to skewer Mitt Romney for his statements about the President's handling of the attacks on our Egyptian and Libyan embassies:

“I also believe the Administration was wrong to stand by a statement sympathizing with those who had breached our embassy in Egypt instead of condemning their actions. It's never too early for the United States Government to condemn attacks on Americans, and to defend our values. The White House distanced itself last night from the statement, saying it wasn't ‘cleared by Washington.’ That reflects the mixed signals they’re sending to the world.

“The attacks in Libya and Egypt underscore that the world remains a dangerous place and that American leadership is still sorely needed. In the face of this violence, America cannot shrink from the responsibility to lead. American leadership is necessary to ensure that events in the region don’t spin out of control. We cannot hesitate to use our influence in the region to support those who share our values and our interests. Over the last several years, we have stood witness to an Arab Spring that presents an opportunity for a more peaceful and prosperous region, but also poses the potential for peril, if the forces of extremism and violence are allowed to control the course of events.

The Mainstream Media said nothing about the criticism of the President's response in the Middle East that came from the Democratic Party. Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, John Kerry and others all ripped the president for his Mid East actions. Most of those statements were vicious, unlike Romney's statesman-like comments.

I didn't read about the press backlash when Nancy Pelosi said this:

"Bush is an incompetent leader. In fact, he's not a leader,'' Pelosi said. "He's a person who has no judgment, no experience and no knowledge of the subjects that he has to decide upon. He has on his shoulders the deaths of many more troops, because he would not heed the advice of his own State Department of what to expect after May 1 when he ... declared that major combat is over,'' Pelosi charged. "The shallowness that he has brought to the office has not changed since he got there.''

Today the press was caught colluding about the questions they would ask at a press conference in an attempt to make Romney look bad. I don't remember them colluding when:

Rep. John Murtha, D-Pennsylvania, in a news conference with Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi, D-California, said the problems in Iraq are due to a "lack of planning" by Pentagon chiefs and "the direction has got be changed or it is unwinnable."

Or when Harry Reid said:

"I believe myself that the secretary of state, secretary of defense and — you have to make your own decisions as to what the president knows — (know) this war is lost and the surge is not accomplishing anything as indicated by the extreme violence in Iraq yesterday," said Reid.

This morning NBC White House correspondent Chuck Todd said [The Romney campaign] wish they had that press release back, because as the hours unfolded....this statement looks crass and tone deaf in the light of this day. I can't recall him saying anything on Sept. 7th, 2004:

a day when seven U.S. servicemen were killed in a suicide bombing attack in Iraq, [Democratic Party Presidential candidate John] Kerry termed the war in Iraq "catastrophic." Still later, he referred to it in a statement as "a quagmire," a word often applied to the U.S. conflict in Vietnam.

"I would not have done just one thing differently than the president on Iraq, I would have done everything differently than the president on Iraq. I said this from the beginning of the debate to the walk up to the war. I said, 'Mr. President, don't rush to war, take the time to build a legitimate coalition and have a plan to win the peace.'
When Ted Kennedy passed away, Chuck Todd wrote:

Kennedy's place as Senate legend is well in hand now. The Lion of the Senate is talked about in the same breath as folks like Daniel Webster.

And while Kennedy was a liberal icon, he was known for his ability to find ways to work with Republicans. Not surprisingly, many have questioned what a difference he would have made in the recent health care debate had he been able to participate. Still to come is how his legacy will be used going forward.

I suppose It didn't bother him when Kennedy said:

The president's handling of the war has been a toxic mix ofignorance, arrogance, and stubborn ideology. No amount ofPresidential rhetoric or preposterous campaign spin canconceal the facts about the steady downward spiral in ournational security since President Bush made the decision to goto war in Iraq. If this election is decided on the question ofwhether America is safer because of President George Bush,John Kerry will win in a landslide.The war in Iraq has made the mushroom cloud more likely, not lesslikely.

Or even worse Todd forgot to mention that Ted Kennedy committed Treason:

Kennedy dispatched former Sen. John Tunney, a fellow Democrat from California, to seek face-to-face meetings between Kennedy and General Secretary Yuri Andropov. Tunney brought with him a memo on the tense relations between the U.S. and Soviets – with Kennedy siding unequivocally with the Soviets and blaming Reagan.

In a report by KGB Chairman Viktor Chebrikov, Kennedy is represented as suggesting "that in the interest of world peace, it would be useful and timely to take a few extra steps to counteract the militaristic policies of Ronald Reagan."

Well you know that Ted, he was so popular he could get away with murder.

It is very strange that the liberal media would go out of their way's to bash Mitt Romney who criticized the White House for sending a message which seemed to excuse violence and murder waged against American citizens. Especially when you consider the fact that they never opened their mouths to criticize stronger and demoralizing statements made by Democrats against a Republican President. It seems their bias is showing once again


http://yidwithlid.blogspot.com/2012/09/breaking-john-kerry-nancy-pelosi-and.html



The chum is in the water...we're gonna need a bigger boat!
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ZRX1200 wrote:
The video is a joke.

This was preplanned and organized before it was released. This was an anniversary event.




The 9/11 attacks on the US embassies were not about a movie

Here are a couple of facts:

On June 4 the White House confirmed that the US had killed Abu Yahya Al-Libi - OBL's Libyan lietenant who had moved into Al Qaeda's #2 spot after Ayman Zahawiri after the Navy SEALs whacked OBL.

On Tuesday 9/11, a tape was released of Zawahiri announcing that Libi had been killed earlier this year by a US drone attack. The Zawahiri tape was made during Ramadan which ended in the middle of last month. Zawahiri called for his terrorist underlings to avenge Libi's death and especially exhorted Libyans to take revenge.

The attack in Libya was well planned and executed. It wasn't about a spontaneous protest against some ridiculous internet movie of Muhammad. The assailants came armed to the teeth, with among other things, RPG 7s. They knew that the US Ambassador was in Benghazi rather than Tripoli. They knew how to track his movements, and were able to strike against him after he and his colleagues left the consulate building and tried to flee in a car. As Israel Channel 2's Arab Affairs Correspondent Ehud Yaari noted this evening, you don't often see well trained terrorists participating in protests of movies.

Then there is the attack in Cairo. They were led by Mohammad Zawahiri - Ayman Zawahiri's brother. According the Thomas Josclyn in the Weekly Standard, the US media has been idiotically presenting him as some sort of moderate despite the fact that in an interview with Al Jazeerah he said said, "We in al Qaeda..."

Egypt's US supported Muslim Brotherhood President Mohamed Morsi recently released Zawahiri from Egyptian prison. The same Barack Obama who has no time in his schedule to meet with Prime Minister Netanyahu next week in New York, is scheduled to meet Morsi.

The Egyptian government has not condemned the attack on the US Embassy in Cairo. But Morsi is demanding that the US government prosecute the film's creator.

You may be wondering how some movie no one's heard of has caused such a hullabaloo. Well, as it turns out, the film was screened on an Egyptian Salafist television channel. Obviously the Salafists -- many of whom, like Zawahiri were released from prison by Morsi, wanted to stir up anti-US violence on the eve of 9/11. So if the film is responsible for the violence, a finger needs to be pointed to its chief distributor -- Al Qaida's Egyptian friends and members.

With these facts in hand, it is clear that the attempts to present these acts of war against the US as the consequence of some stupid nothing movie are obscene attempts to deflect the blame for these unwarranted attacks onto their victims and away from their perpetrators.

http://www.carolineglick.com/e/2012/09/the-911-attacks-on-the-us-emba.php




It's not about the YouTube movie!
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Gee, I guess we're already past all the flower children, group-hugging bull-sh*t of the "Arab Spring".

And there are really people out there who didn't see this coming. People who really thought the hard-liner Muslims weren't going to wrest control of these countries and do this. And the worst is yet to come. But I don't want to ruin the surprise.

There's probably something more important going on right now, like a fund raiser with Snoop Dogg or something.
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snowwolf777 wrote:
Gee, I guess we're already past all the flower children, group-hugging bull-sh*t of the "Arab Spring".

And there are really people out there who didn't see this coming. People who really thought the hard-liner Muslims weren't going to wrest control of these countries and do this. And the worst is yet to come. But I don't want to ruin the surprise.

There's probably something more important going on right now, like a fund raiser with Snoop Dogg or something.



**** Stellar!
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Abdul Mustafa is the ultimate douchknuckle!
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Exclusive: America 'was warned of embassy attack but did nothing'


US ambassador Chris Stevens and three staff killed in Libya after protesters angry at film that mocks Prophet Mohamed storm consulate

The killings of the US ambassador to Libya and three of his staff were likely to have been the result of a serious and continuing security breach, The Independent can reveal.

American officials believe the attack was planned, but Chris Stevens had been back in the country only a short while and the details of his visit to Benghazi, where he and his staff died, were meant to be confidential.

The US administration is now facing a crisis in Libya. Sensitive documents have gone missing from the consulate in Benghazi and the supposedly secret location of the "safe house" in the city, where the staff had retreated, came under sustained mortar attack. Other such refuges across the country are no longer deemed "safe".

Some of the missing papers from the consulate are said to list names of Libyans who are working with Americans, putting them potentially at risk from extremist groups, while some of the other documents are said to relate to oil contracts.

According to senior diplomatic sources, the US State Department had credible information 48 hours before mobs charged the consulate in Benghazi, and the embassy in Cairo, that American missions may be targeted, but no warnings were given for diplomats to go on high alert and "lockdown", under which movement is severely restricted.

Mr Stevens had been on a visit to Germany, Austria and Sweden and had just returned to Libya when the Benghazi trip took place with the US embassy's security staff deciding that the trip could be undertaken safely.

Eight Americans, some from the military, were wounded in the attack which claimed the lives of Mr Stevens, Sean Smith, an information officer, and two US Marines. All staff from Benghazi have now been moved to the capital, Tripoli, and those whose work is deemed to be non-essential may be flown out of Libya.

In the meantime a Marine Corps FAST Anti-Terrorism Reaction Team has already arrived in the country from a base in Spain and other personnel are believed to be on the way. Additional units have been put on standby to move to other states where their presence may be needed in the outbreak of anti-American fury triggered by publicity about a film which demeaned the Prophet Mohamed.

A mob of several hundred stormed the US embassy in the Yemeni capital Sanaa yesterday. Other missions which have been put on special alert include almost all those in the Middle East, as well as in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Armenia, Burundi and Zambia.

Senior officials are increasingly convinced, however, that the ferocious nature of the Benghazi attack, in which rocket-propelled grenades were used, indicated it was not the result of spontaneous anger due to the video, called Innocence of Muslims. Patrick Kennedy, Under-Secretary at the State Department, said he was convinced the assault was planned due to its extensive nature and the proliferation of weapons.

There is growing belief that the attack was in revenge for the killing in a drone strike in Pakistan of Mohammed Hassan Qaed, an al-Qa'ida operative who was, as his nom-de-guerre Abu Yahya al-Libi suggests, from Libya, and timed for the anniversary of the 11 September attacks.


Senator Bill Nelson, a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, said: "I am asking my colleagues on the committee to immediately investigate what role al-Qa'ida or its affiliates may have played in the attack and to take appropriate action."

According to security sources the consulate had been given a "health check" in preparation for any violence connected to the 9/11 anniversary. In the event, the perimeter was breached within 15 minutes of an angry crowd starting to attack it at around 10pm on Tuesday night. There was, according to witnesses, little defence put up by the 30 or more local guards meant to protect the staff. Ali Fetori, a 59-year-old accountant who lives near by, said: "The security people just all ran away and the people in charge were the young men with guns and bombs."

Wissam Buhmeid, the commander of the Tripoli government-sanctioned Libya's Shield Brigade, effectively a police force for Benghazi, maintained that it was anger over the Mohamed video which made the guards abandon their post. "There were definitely people from the security forces who let the attack happen because they were themselves offended by the film; they would absolutely put their loyalty to the Prophet over the consulate. The deaths are all nothing compared to insulting the Prophet."

Mr Stevens, it is believed, was left in the building by the rest of the staff after they failed to find him in dense smoke caused by a blaze which had engulfed the building. He was discovered lying unconscious by local people and taken to a hospital, the Benghazi Medical Centre, where, according to a doctor, Ziad Abu Ziad, he died from smoke inhalation.

An eight-strong American rescue team was sent from Tripoli and taken by troops under Captain Fathi al- Obeidi, of the February 17 Brigade, to the secret safe house to extract around 40 US staff. The building then came under fire from heavy weapons. "I don't know how they found the place to carry out the attack. It was planned, the accuracy with which the mortars hit us was too good for any ordinary revolutionaries," said Captain Obeidi. "It began to rain down on us, about six mortars fell directly on the path to the villa."

Libyan reinforcements eventually arrived, and the attack ended. News had arrived of Mr Stevens, and his body was picked up from the hospital and taken back to Tripoli with the other dead and the survivors.

Mr Stevens' mother, Mary Commanday, spoke of her son yesterday. "He did love what he did, and he did a very good job with it. He could have done a lot of other things, but this was his passion. I have a hole in my heart," she said.

Global anger: The protests spread

Yemen

The furore across the Middle East over the controversial film about the Prophet Mohamed is now threatening to get out of control. In Sana'a, the Yemeni capital, yesterday around 5,000 demonstrators attacked the US embassy, leaving at least 15 people injured. Young protesters, shouted: "We sacrifice ourselves for you, Messenger of God," smashed windows of the security offices and burned at least five cars, witnesses said.

Egypt

Egypt's Islamist President Mohamed Morsi yesterday condemned the attack in Benghazi that killed the US ambassador. In a speech in Brussels, Mr Morsi said he had spoken to President Obama and condemned "in the clearest terms" the Tuesday attacks. Despite this, and possibly playing to a domestic audience, President Obama said yesterday that "I don't think we would consider them an ally, but we don't consider them an enemy".

Demonstrators in Cairo attacked the mission on Tuesday evening and protests have continued since.

Iraq

Militants said the anti-Islamic film "will put all the American interests Iraq in danger" and called on Muslims everywhere to "face our joint enemy", as protesters in Baghdad burned American flags yesterday. The warning from the Iranian-backed group Asaib Ahl al-Haq came as demonstrators demanded the closure of the US embassy in the capital.

Bangladesh

Islamists warned they may "besiege" the US embassy in Dhaka after security forces stopped around 1,000 protesters marching to the building. The Khelafat Andolon group called for bigger protests as demonstrators threw their fists in the air, burned the flag and chanted anti-US slogans.

Others

There was a Hamas-organised protest in Gaza City, and as many as 100 Arab Israelis took to the streets in Tel Aviv. In Afghanistan, President Hamid Karzai postponed a trip to Norway, fearing violence. Officials in Pakistan said they "expected protests". Protesters in Tunis burnt US flags.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/revealed-inside-story-of-us-envoys-assassination-8135797.html




Arab Spring Brings Poo Showers...it's sticking all over the Kenyan King now! He's DRENCHED in his own STENCH!
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I for one blame Obama
Papachristou Offline
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When discussing the debt, we have only ourselves to blame. Neither party has been fiscally responsible and we continue to stand by as we bankroll absurd spending, pensions and health benefits for federal and state workers that we cannot afford.

The reality is that US citizens will not stand for a reduction in the debt. all these "debt plans" are really just facades. A few billion in savings OVER TEN YEARS... really? how is that substantial when we are going in debt $4 billion per DAY! The reality is that any REAL plan for debt reduction will results in pain to all of us. We all would have to be willing to make sacrifices which we are not.

i see countless people driving themselves around in a suburban because it is their RIGHT, yes, it may be, but look at the resources used to produce that behemoth along with the fuel it consumes. Why dont you think about the future? What about cutting back absurd spending, police having new cars, cameras, tanks, tahoes etc, cameras and speed cameras going up everywhere, these quicksand wars we are mired in all over the world while our infrastructure crumbles around us.

At the end of the day, WE as citizens are responsible and left holding the bill. This is happening on our watch.
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So, who:

FAILED to, "Connect the dots."

Left our Embassies unprotected on 9/11?

(Hint, not GWB)
teedubbya Offline
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Lol. Righhhht
pdxstogieman Offline
#35 Posted:
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DadZilla3 wrote:
So we are in hock 56 trillion and change to our fellow working Americans, future retirees, the Social Security trust fund, civil service pensions, and only 8% to the Chinese.

I feel better already.

http://www.usdebtclock.org/


You should at least feel better informed after having been corrected by someone who actually provided facts and data that directly rebutted your baseless assertion.
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Obama is sticking to the Pirate Code.
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The Pirate Code?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RagKWM8ldk

Jeez...after watching this...I wanted to kill someone too! Not a US Ambassador though...a director...producer...cameraman...scriptwriter...actors...last thing I'd think about is storming a foreign embassy...the people in Hollywood should be extra vigilant! Those 7th Century backwards thinkers just might storm the Valley!!!!


Gag me with a spoon!
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HockeyDad wrote:
When the national bankruptcy is declared, we will be mainly screwing fellow Americans.


That's the American way!
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Papachristou wrote:
When discussing the debt, we have only ourselves to blame. Neither party has been fiscally responsible and we continue to stand by as we bankroll absurd spending, pensions and health benefits for federal and state workers that we cannot afford.

The reality is that US citizens will not stand for a reduction in the debt. all these "debt plans" are really just facades. A few billion in savings OVER TEN YEARS... really? how is that substantial when we are going in debt $4 billion per DAY! The reality is that any REAL plan for debt reduction will results in pain to all of us. We all would have to be willing to make sacrifices which we are not.

i see countless people driving themselves around in a suburban because it is their RIGHT, yes, it may be, but look at the resources used to produce that behemoth along with the fuel it consumes. Why dont you think about the future? What about cutting back absurd spending, police having new cars, cameras, tanks, tahoes etc, cameras and speed cameras going up everywhere, these quicksand wars we are mired in all over the world while our infrastructure crumbles around us.

At the end of the day, WE as citizens are responsible and left holding the bill. This is happening on our watch.


So what you're saying is you want new roads and no speed enforcement so you can preserve your right to ride your motorcycle as fast as you want?

Sounds reasonable to me.
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Benghazi, Libya (CNN) -- Three days before the deadly assault on the United States consulate in Libya, a local security official says he met with American diplomats in the city and warned them about deteriorating security.


Jamal Mabrouk, a member of the February 17th Brigade, told CNN that he and a battalion commander had a meeting about the economy and security.

He said they told the diplomats that the security situation wasn't good for international business.

"The situation is frightening, it scares us," Mabrouk said they told the U.S. officials. He did not say how they responded.



Inside the U.S. consulate in Benghazi

Slain ambassador returns

Possible security leak in Libya Mabrouk said it was not the first time he has warned foreigners about the worsening security situation in the face of the growing presence of armed jihadist groups in the Benghazi area.

The main building in the compound is in charred ruins.

Disagreement over how attack began

The suite where the body of the ambassador was found was protected by a large door with steel bars; the windows had steel bars.

His body was recovered after looters broke into the room. It appears his security detail left him in the room while they tried to deal with the attack.

There are numerous questions about what happened at the consulate where protesters had gathered to demonstrate against the film "Innocence of Muslims," which reportedly was made in California by a filmmaker whose identity is unclear.

Chief among the questions is what happened to U.S. Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens, who went missing during the attack.

The State Department has not released details about how Stevens died, though numerous media reports have said the ambassador was taken from the consulate to the Benghazi medical center by locals.

Clinton demands Arab Spring nations protect embassies

He arrived at the hospital, according to the reports, unresponsive and covered in soot from the fire. A doctor was unable to revive him and declared him dead, the reports said.

According to one of the Libyan security guards who was stationed at one of the gates armed with only a radio, the assault began simultaneously from three directions.

Heavy machine guns and rocket -propelled grenades were used, according to the guard. He said masked men threatened to kill him at gunpoint for 'protecting the infidels. He declined to appear on camera for fear of repercussions.

Ex-SEALs among Benghazi dead

The February 17th Brigade -- a militia connected to the government but not part of Libya's armed forces -- was closely involved in the rescue of the American staff trapped after the attack Tuesday night.

After the consulate was attacked and set on fire, a number of Americans escaped to a safe-house in another part of the city. But that came under attack too.

Mabrouk said he received a call from an official in Tripoli, who said he had been called by a "terrified" American in Benghazi.

The official was at the safe-house. Mabrouk says the Brigade asked the Americans if they needed help -- but were told that while the situation was dangerous, it was under control.

A few hours later, Mabrouk said he received another call from Tripoli about the arrival of a U.S. team at Benghazi airport that needed transport into the city.

He met the seven Americans, who were heavily armed but not in military uniform, on the runway and provided them with an armed escort, he said.

As soon as the two vehicles carrying the seven Americans arrived at the safe house, they came under intense attack -- including a volley of grenades and machine-gun fire. The assailants then fled.

The Libyan government has vowed to bring the perpetrators of the attack to justice. But on a visit to the heavily-damaged consulate, the country's president said Libya expected help form its friends in the international community.

Asked whether the government was not capable of controlling extremist groups, he responded "You are not far from the truth."

What the Mideast protests reveal


http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/15/world/meast/libya-diplomats-warning/index.html?hpt=hp_t2



No, please continue to talk about state budgets for roads and bridges though. Continue to be distracted by cheezy YouTube videos and American Karaoke!


Face up...The Kenyan King...Mr. Hopey Changey...he went to bed while one of his embassies was being laid to waste and it's ambassador was killed and dragged through the streets by peaceful muslims that we gave weapons and cash to!

Yea...let's give this moron and his failed policies a second term? WAKE UP!
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I wonder if call forwarding sent the call to Hillary at 3am?
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HockeyDad wrote:
I wonder if call forwarding sent the call to Hillary at 3am?



At least she would've been getting a BJ and awake!
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It's not her fault. She forgot to plug in her phone that night. And she had done a lot of texting and GPS and picture sending and stuff the day before. And she had it set on vibrate.

Now she has an extended battery for her phone, and she changed her ringer to the Darth Vader theme, so we should not see anymore folks dying at our embassies because of missed warnings at 3 a.m.



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pdxstogieman wrote:
So what you're saying is you want new roads and no speed enforcement so you can preserve your right to ride your motorcycle as fast as you want?

Sounds reasonable to me.


no lefty, i said we would be better off to invest money into our aging infrastructure instead of blowing it all over the world, having police work real crime instead of worrying about a few speeders or putting up $100,000 cameras to "keep us safe". You cant see my license plate from a camera anyway, it is under the tail.

Now to stay on this subject, if cameras truly made us safer, sure, im in, but the reality is they are for revenue, not safety. Stats show over and over that cameras INCREASE rear end collisions and rarely reduce side impact collisions since the signs and cameras are often discreetly installed. If governments really cared about saving people they could simply increase the yellow light time by .5 or 1 second. That DRASTICALLY reduces accidents. Oh which brings me to the fact that many governments where these cameras go up have REDUCED their yellow light time (sometimes below the federal requirement) to INCREASE revenue.
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Pakistanis Try to Storm U.S. Outpost; One Is Killed


ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — One person was killed and dozens of people were injured when anti-American protesters tried to storm the American Consulate in the southern port city of Karachi and clashed for several hours with the police and paramilitary troops on Sunday evening, rescue workers and police officials said.

The outbreak of violence came after days of peaceful demonstrations in Pakistan against the release of a video mocking the Prophet Muhammad. Pakistani officials had increased security in all major cities before Friday Prayer services, which have in the past served as flash points for protests, and until Sunday, calm had prevailed. The American Embassy here said in a message posted Sunday evening on Twitter that “all American personnel are safe and accounted for at U.S. Consulate, Karachi.”

“The United States government has absolutely nothing to do with this video,” another Twitter message by the American Embassy said. “We reject its content and its message.”

Karachi is Pakistan’s commercial capital, and the sprawling city is frequently torn by ethnic and sectarian violence. “Things usually get out of hand in Karachi,” Mehreen Zahra-Malik, an assistant editor at The News International, said in an interview.

The demonstration on Sunday was spearheaded by two groups of Shiites, a minority in Pakistan, which had urged demonstrators to march “toward” the American Consulate.

The police responded by blocking the road that leads to the American Consulate with concrete barriers and shipping containers on Sunday afternoon. Then, as the march neared, the police fired tear gas canisters into the crowd. That failed to contain waves of angry demonstrators, who grew increasingly agitated, witnesses said.

The police and Rangers, a force controlled by the Interior Ministry, then fired shots into the air as demonstrators rushed through the clouds of tear gas, trying to reach the outer boundary wall of the heavily fortified consulate building. Water cannons were also used on the protesters, who began hurling stones.

Local television broadcast images of young men falling on the roadside after being struck by water jets. One young man ran toward a police officer, who was firing warning shots in the air, and flung his arms open, daring the officer to shoot at his chest.

After battling for a few hours without entering the consulate property, the protesters dispersed. They later assembled in the Numaish Chowrangi neighborhood and staged a sit-in. Local news media reported that the demonstrators had set at least four police vehicles on fire.

Mirza Yousuf Hussain, the leader of one of the two Shiite groups that organized the protest, claimed that violence had broken out in Karachi after police opened fire on “peaceful protesters.” He said in a statement that police fire had killed the brother of the deputy secretary general of his party’s Karachi chapter. He also said two wounded workers were in critical condition. He accused high-ranking police officers of “working to protect American interests.”

In the eastern city of Lahore, thousands of protesters took part in a demonstration led by Hafiz Muhammad Saeed, the leader of the militant group Lashkar-e-Taiba, which is accused of orchestrating the 2008 Mumbai terrorist attacks. While the protest remained peaceful, the fiery speeches were filled with anger as protesters gathered at the Mall, about half a mile from the American Consulate in Lahore.

Mr. Saeed said in his speech that the production crew of the video “must be hanged to set an example.”

Protesters held placards and shouted slogans against the United States government. One placard read, “O Obama, we are all Osama.” Another placard read, “Blasphemy is not freedom of expression, and its sentence is death.”




JUST like I said in an earlier post...you HAVE to expect an attack like this when you run an entire convention on "I Killed Bin Laden". See this all for what it is...the world is flaming PISSED...they FINALLY woke up and saw this liar for what he is.
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Benghazi Attack disrupted Major CIA Operation: Attack allegedly directed against “CIA Operatives and Contractors”


The September 11 attack that claimed the life of the US ambassador to Libya, Christopher Stevens, and three other Americans disrupted a major CIA operation in the North African country.

According to the New York Times, at least half of the nearly two dozen US personnel evacuated from the eastern Libyan city of Benghazi following the fatal attack on the US consulate and a secret “annex” were “CIA operatives and contractors.”

“It’s a catastrophic intelligence loss,” a US official who had been stationed in Libya told the Times. “We got our eyes poked out.”

The Times report describes the mission of the CIA station in Benghazi as one of “conducting surveillance and collecting information on an array of armed militant groups in and around the city,” including Ansar al-Sharia, an Islamist militia that has been linked by some to the September 11 attack, and Al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb, or AQIM.

It further states that the CIA “began building a meaningful but covert presence in Benghazi” within months of the February 2011 revolt in Benghazi that seized the city from forces loyal to the government of Colonel Muammar Gaddafi. Stevens himself was sent into the city in April of that year as the American envoy to the so-called “rebels” organized in the Benghazi-based National Transitional Council (NTC).

What the Times omits from its account of CIA activities in Benghazi, however, is that the agency was not merely conducting covert surveillance on the Islamists based in eastern Libya, but providing them with direct aid and coordinating their operations with those of the NATO air war launched to bring down the Gaddafi regime. In this sense, the September 11 attack that killed Stevens and the three other Americans was very much a case of the chickens coming home to roost.

There is every reason to believe that the robust CIA presence in Benghazi after Gaddafi’s fall also involved more than just surveillance. Libyan Islamists make up the largest single component of the “foreign fighters” who are playing an ever more dominant role in the US-backed sectarian civil war being waged in Syria with the aim of toppling the government of President Bashar al-Assad. According to some estimates, they comprise anywhere from 1,200 to 1,500 of approximately 3,500 fighters who have been infiltrated into Syria from as far away as Chechnya and Pakistan.

The CIA has also set up a center on the border between Turkey and Syria to oversee the funneling of arms, materiel, money and fighters into the Syrian civil war. Given the relationship established between the US agency and the Libyan Islamist militias during the US-NATO war to topple Gaddafi, it seems highly probable that the departure of such elements from eastern Libya and their infiltration into Syria would be coordinated by CIA personnel on both ends.

The government installed by the US-NATO war in the Libyan capital of Tripoli was apparently unaware of the size of the CIA presence in Benghazi, though the agency was supposedly cooperating with Libyan intelligence officials in monitoring the activities of the Islamists.

According to a report published September 21 in the Wall Street Journal, the attempt by Libyan government forces to coordinate a response to the militia assault on the US consulate and the “annex” used by the CIA was hindered by the refusal of American officials to provide the Libyans with GPS coordinates for the “annex,” which came under sustained assault and where two security contractors, former Navy Seals, were killed.

When the US and Libyan rescuers managed to evacuate some 30 Americans from the “annex” and bring them to the Benghazi airport, Libyan officials were stunned by the number of US personnel there and had to bring in a second plane to fly them all out.

“We were surprised by the numbers of Americans who were at the airport,” Libyan Deputy Prime Minister Mustafa Abushagour told the Journal. “We have no problem with intelligence sharing or gathering, but our sovereignty is also key,” he added.

In the aftermath of the attack in Benghazi, the question of security at US facilities has become a politically contested issue, with Republicans charging that the Obama administration had behaved irresponsibly in not having US military personnel protect Stevens and other personnel. They have also accused the administration of misleading the public by describing the assault on the two buildings as an outgrowth of a spontaneous demonstration over the anti-Islamic film that has triggered protests throughout the Muslim world, rather than a terrorist attack.

House Armed Services Committee Chairman Howard McKeon, a California Republican, last week declared the lack of military guards in Benghazi as “inconceivable” given an earlier attack on the Benghazi compound and other incidents of armed violence in the city.

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton responded to the criticism by insisting that local security forces and a private security company that deployed Libyan guards had provided security “of the kind that we rely on in many places around the world.”

By late last week, administration officials had begun referring to the assault as a “terrorist attack.” With the US having deployed warships, drones and a 50-member US Marine rapid reaction force to Libya, this may be preparation for military retaliation.

In Libya itself, thousands of people marched in Benghazi on Friday against the militias. Crowds laid siege to the headquarters of Ansar al-Sharia and another Islamist militia, the Rafallah Sahati brigade, leading to at least four deaths.

The demonstrations clearly expressed public anger over the sway of the Islamists over Benghazi, with participants talking of the need for “a new revolution.”

Late on Saturday, the authorities in Tripoli responded to the popular frustration. The Libyan army chief, Yusseff Mangoush, and national assembly leader Mohamed Magrief announced that “illegitimate” militias would have 48 hours to disarm and disband, or the army would use force.

What this meant was far from clear, however, as Libyan President Mohamed el-Megaref called upon Libyan protesters to leave the “legitimate” militias alone. The president demanded that the demonstrators stop attacks on militias that are “under state legitimacy, and go home.”

The spokesman for the national assembly went further. According to the Wall Street Journal, the spokesman, Omar Humidan, declared that while the militias “have wrong practices… serve their own agenda and have their own ideology… striking these militias and demanding they disband immediately will have grave consequences.”

He continued: “These are the ones that preserve security. The state has a weak army and no way it can fill any vacuum resulting in eviction of these militias… The street is upset because of the militias and their infighting. We are worried of the fallout in the absence of those militias. The state must be given time.”

The militias in Benghazi are almost all offshoots of the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group, a jihadist group that had ties to Al Qaeda and whose leaders were abducted and tortured by the CIA as part of Washington’s “global war on terror.” This is the case with Ansar al-Sharia, which is responsible for providing security at the Al Jala hospital in Benghazi, as well as the Rafallah Sahati brigade, which has also been deployed as a security force in the city, including during the national elections.

In the aftermath of last Friday’s demonstrations, the militias struck back, claiming that the popular repudiation of their policies had been stirred up by supporters of the former Gaddafi regime.

The Rafallah al-Sahati militia announced Monday that it had rounded up 113 people for alleged involvement in the protests. A leader of the group claimed that most of those detained were former members of the Gaddafi-era military or supporters of the deposed president.

Libyan state television reported Monday that on the outskirts of Benghazi the bodies of six Libyan soldiers were found shot, execution style, with their hands cuffed behind them. It was also reported that an army colonel had disappeared and was believed to have been kidnapped.

According to the Wall Street Journal: “Some media reports accused militiamen of taking revenge on Gaddafi-era veterans in the military; in contrast, a military spokesman, Ali al-Shakhli, blamed Gaddafi loyalists, saying they were trying to stir up trouble between the public and the militias.”


http://www.globalresearch.ca/benghazi-attack-disrupted-major-cia-operation-attack-allegedly-directed-against-cia-operatives-and-contractors/



So...it's not the YouTube Video?Think
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Well...I guess if you listen to Empty Suits....it IS about the YouTube video!!!


U.S. President Speaks to U.N. About YouTube Video Posted in June by Southern Californian

In an address to the United Nations General Assembly today, President Barack Obama dedicated several long passages to discussing and condemning what the New York Times has described as a 14-minute "amateurish video" that a 55-year-old Southern California man posted on YouTube in June.

Obama also told the United Nations that with modern technology efforts to control the flow of information have become “obsolete.”

The Obama administration had originally suggested that the video in question—which the New York Times said was a trailer for a movie entitled “The Innocence of Muslims”—may have been responsible for inspiring a mob to attack the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, Libya on Sept. 11 and to kill U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans.

However, the Libyan prime minister said last week that the attack on the U.S. consulate was pre-planned. Also, the chairman of the U.S. House Intelligence Committee said on Sunday that not only was the attack planned but also that there was reason to believe it had been carried out by al Qaeda or an al Qaeda-affiliated group and that he had seen no evidence that there had even been a demonstration outside the consulate before the attack.

“In every country, there are those who find different religious beliefs threatening; in every culture, those who love freedom for themselves must ask themselves how much they are willing to tolerate freedom for others,” Obama told the United Nations.

“That is what we saw play out in the last two weeks, as a crude and disgusting video sparked outrage throughout the Muslim world,” he said.

“I have made it clear that the United States government had nothing to do with this video, and I believe its message must be rejected by all who respect our common humanity," said Obama. "It is an insult not only to Muslims, but to America as well--for as the city outside these walls makes clear, we are a country that has welcomed people of every race and every faith. We are home to Muslims who worship across our country. We not only respect the freedom of religion--we have laws that protect individuals from being harmed because of how they look or what they believe. We understand why people take offense to this video because millions of our citizens are among them.

“I know there are some who ask why we don’t just ban such a video,” said Obama. “The answer is enshrined in our laws: our Constitution protects the right to practice free speech.

“Here in the United States, countless publications provoke offense,” said the president.

“Like me, the majority of Americans are Christian, and yet we do not ban blasphemy against our most sacred beliefs," he said. "As President of our country, and Commander-in-Chief of our military, I accept that people are going to call me awful things every day, and I will always defend their right to do so. Americans have fought and died around the globe to protect the right of all people to express their views--even views that we profoundly disagree with.

“Now, I know that not all countries in this body share this understanding of the protection of free speech. We recognize that," said Obama. “But in 2012, at a time when anyone with a cell phone can spread offensive views around the world with the click of a button, the notion that we can control the flow of information is obsolete. The question, then, is how do we respond. And on this we must agree: there is no speech that justifies mindless violence.

“There are no words that excuse the killing of innocents,” said Obama. “There is no video that justifies an attack on an embassy. There is no slander that provides an excuse for people to burn a restaurant in Lebanon, or destroy a school in Tunis, or cause death and destruction in Pakistan.”

“More broadly, the events of the last two weeks also speak to the need for all of us to address honestly the tensions between the West and the Arab World that is moving toward democracy,” said Obama. “Just as we cannot solve every problem in the world, the United States has not, and will not, seek to dictate the outcome of democratic transitions abroad, and we do not expect other nations to agree with us on every issue. Nor do we assume that the violence of the past weeks, or the hateful speech by some individuals, represent the views of the overwhelming majority of Muslims--any more than the views of the people who produced this video represent those of Americans.”

In a story published on Sept. 16, the New York Times described the video the president spoke about at the United Nations as follows: “The incendiary, amateurish video--a 14-minute trailer for a supposed full-length feature called 'The Innocence of Muslims'--depicts the Prophet Muhammad as a buffoon, a womanizer and a child molester. It was first uploaded to YouTube in June, and translated into Arabic and uploaded several more times in the week leading up to the anniversary of the Sept. 11 terrorism attacks.”

Last week, according to Deputy State Department Spokesperson Victoria Nuland, the U.S. government spent $70,000 to air a television advertisement on seven Pakistani television stations. The ad featured Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and President Obama condemning the YouTube video.

On CNN on Sunday, House Intelligence Chairman Mike Rogers (R.-Ala.) said he had seen no evidence that there had been a protest outside the U.S. consulate in Benghazi before terrorists attacked the facility and killed the U.S. ambassador and three other Americans there.

“I have seen no information that shows that there was a protest going on as you have seen around any other embassy at the time,” Rogers said. “It was clearly designed to be an attack.”

Rogers also said there was a “high degree of probability” that those who attacked the consulate had some connection to al Qaeda.

“Who were they?” CNN’s Candy Crowly asked the intelligence chairman.

“We don't know for sure and for certain yet,” said Rogers. “We have--At least I look at the information, have a high degree of probability that it is an al Qaeda or al Qaeda-affiliated group that had a very specific target in mind, and that was to attack the consulate and cause as much harm, chaos, and death as possible.”

Libyan Prime Minister Mustafa Abushagur also told CNN he believed that attack on the consulate was pre-planned.

“Have you then determined this attack was preplanned?” CNN Senior International Correspondent Arwa Damon asked Abushagur.

“Oh, I think it is. I think it is. Because the way it has taken place, the way they have done it, it's clear this group has planned it,” said Abushagur. “So, it is not a spontaneous thing that took place that night, no.”


http://cnsnews.com/news/article/us-president-speaks-un-about-youtube-video-posted-june-southern-californian



This is sooooo confusing...it is....it isn't...it could be...it can't...it should be.. it shouldn't...it will be...it won't...MEH!


Hey Kenyan King...what about doing the right thing and actually tell the truth...FOR ONCE!
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Fast n furious abroad.


What skilled politicians.
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Fast n furious abroad.



I wish I could share some info that I have...you have no idea how close to the truth you really are!

As for the "skilled politicians"? Liar

Some of them are just better liars!
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http://theulstermanreport.com/2012/09/20/white-house-insider-barack-obama-the-butcher-of-benghazi/
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