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Drums of War: Why It must be USA versus Iran
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Experts: Only US can destroy Iran's nuke program
By JPOST.COM STAFF

The United States is the only country that can carry out a successful, preventative military strike against Iran's nuclear program, according to a study by the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), a well-regarded Washington-based think tank.

According to the study published in September, only the United States has the capacity to both deliver the explosive payloads needed in the initial strike and effectively carry out follow-up strikes based on continued near-real-time intelligence.

"The US would be the only country that has the air power, support capability, and mix of sea‐air forces in the Gulf to continue a sustained campaign over a period of time and restrike after an initial battle damage assessment [if] it is found that further strike sorties are required," the report said.

"Israel does not have the capability to carry out preventive strikes that could do more than delay Iran’s efforts for a year or two," the report said, adding, "a strike by Israel on Iran will give rise to regional instability and conflict as well as terrorism. The regional security consequences will be catastrophic."

The initial strike, CSIS said, would aim to take out Iran's heavily-fortified uranium enrichment and research facilities and ballistic missile sites.

Iran would not be impotent in the face of such a strike, the report said, targeting Israel and US financial and security interests in the Gulf States.

"Iran most probably will accuse Israel [of being] part of the strike and will try to retaliate, either by launching a Ballistic Missile on Israel carrying conventional or WMD (chemical, biological, radiological) and activating Hezbollah to launch cross border attacks against Israel," the report said.

In an apparent reference to the possibility that Israel will act against Iran without American consent, the report also stated that, "The US should alone determine what the timeline could be if Iran does pursue the path to develop nuclear weapons."

In recent weeks, the Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu has engaged in a public back-and-forth with US officials over establishing "red lines" for Iran on its nuclear developments, a step the US has refused to take. US President Barack Obama, however, said in March that "in the end, Israel's leaders will make determinations based on what they believe is best for the security of Israel, and that is entirely appropriate."

CSIS emphasized that the military option should only be used "if all peaceful options have been exhausted and Iran has left no other means to convince it to stop or change its course in pursuing Nuclear Weapons."

Because Iran's facilities are spread out and well-fortified, the report said, the ultimate effect of a US-led strike on Iran’s nuclear facilities remains uncertain.
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Oh, Rochester! Will you please listen to what I'm telling you to do...get that done NOW!!! OR ELSE!!!


Yessir...yessir, I'ma tryin' but I can only keep deez plates a spinnin...I can't keep on addin' new ones in...I'ma tryin' tho Mr. Bossman...I'ma tryin'!



Iran says explosives cut power line to nuclear site

(Reuters) - Explosives were used to cut the electricity power lines to Iran's Fordow underground enrichment plant last month in an apparent attempt to sabotage Tehran's atomic advances, its nuclear energy chief said on Monday.
It was believed to be the first time Iran has mentioned the incident, which atomic energy organization chief Fereydoun Abbasi-Davani said took place on August 17.

He also told the annual member state gathering of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) that "the same act" had been carried out on power lines to Iran's main enrichment plant near the central town of Natanz, without giving a date.

Abbasi-Davani made clear his view that sabotage would not be successful in slowing Iran's nuclear program, which the West suspects is aimed at developing an atomic bomb capability but which Tehran says is purely peaceful.
He spoke a day after Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu warned that Iran would reach the brink of being able to build a nuclear bomb in six or seven months.

Israel, widely believed to be the Middle East's only nuclear-armed state, sees Iran's atomic work as a threat to its existence and has ramped up threats to attack its arch enemy's nuclear sites.

Iran has often accused Israel and Tehran's Western enemies of being behind the assassination of Iranian nuclear scientists and of trying to damage its nuclear program in other ways, such as cyber attacks.

Abbasi-Davani said explosives had been used to cut power lines from the city of Qom to the Fordow underground uranium enrichment plant on August 17. The next morning, he said, IAEA inspectors had asked for an unannounced visit to Fordow.

"TERRORISTS AND SABOTEURS"

"Does this visit have any connection to that detonation? Who, other than the IAEA inspector, can have access to the complex in such a short time to record and report failures?" Abbasi-Davani told the gathering in Vienna.
"It should be recalled that power cut-off is one of the ways to break down centrifuge machines," he said, referring to the machines used to enrich uranium, which can have both civilian and military purposes.

He did not say whether the power had since been restored or give any other details.

Iran uses the Fordow facility to enrich uranium to a fissile concentration of 20 percent, the part of its work that most worries the West as it takes it significantly closer to the 90 percent level needed for bombs. It built the site some 80 meters below rock and soil to better protect it against enemy strikes.

Abbasi-Davani, in unusually strong language in an international forum, also accused the IAEA of a cynical approach and mismanagement and suggested that "terrorists and saboteurs" might have infiltrated it.

The IAEA has voiced growing concern about possible military dimensions to Iran's nuclear program and is seeking to resume a long-stalled investigation into suspected atom bomb research in the Islamic Republic.

An IAEA report last month said Iran had doubled the number of centrifuges at Fordow, further expanding its capacity to make sensitive nuclear material despite harsh Western sanctions and the threat of an Israeli attack.
Abbasi-Davani told the IAEA gathering that included senior U.S. and other Western officials: "Plotters of attack against Iran's nuclear facilities have realized, through the IAEA published reports, that they have not gained any success in this regard."

Iranian experts have devised "certain ways through which nuclear facilities remain intact under missile attacks and air raids," he said.

The United States and its allies have launched a major naval exercise in the Gulf they say shows a global will to keep oil shipping lanes open as Israel and Iran trade threats of war
Stinkdyr Offline
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War for Israel now!

ram27bat
DrMaddVibe Offline
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"Panetta stressed that defending against potentially disastrous cyber attack on America will take a total government and business-wide effort.

Panetta said that before the 9/11 terrorist attacks, warning signs went largely ignored.

"We cannot let that happen again," Panetta warned. "This is a pre-9/11 moment. The attackers are plotting.""



http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/10/11/14376572-panetta-cyber-intruders-have-already-infiltrated-us-systems?lite



VS



http://www.army-technology.com/features/featurecyber-security-us-election-romney-obama/



Le HockeyDad...we've talked about this issue...given the track record? The guy has got to go. Especially with what's happened last month. That's the tip of the spear.
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I am confident that Obamaphones will use the most advanced cyber-security systems that the government has available.
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I heard you can get two Obamaphones if you trade in your waffle iron.... Mellow
DrMaddVibe Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
I am confident that Obamaphones will use the most advanced cyber-security systems that the government has available.


More like they're the platform for blowing through the firewalls!


"Remember the Alamo!" - Carlos Slim
teedubbya Offline
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And Iran, Iran so far awayyyyyy........ couldn't get away
Brewha Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
I heard you can get two Obamaphones if you trade in your waffle iron.... Mellow


It’s always the same thangs - only them rich white folk got dem waffle irons anyhow!
bloody spaniard Offline
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Instead of fighting the Iranians, I say we build a giant bait car & arrest them after they get in.Beer
frankj1 Offline
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ain't gonna be no war with The Islamic Republic, unless Mitt is elected. He imagines it will give him a Reaganesque testosterone cache
HockeyDad Offline
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Oh come on now.....President Obama can be tough on the Muslim hordes.

(Look....I even kept a straight face! Liar )
bloody spaniard Offline
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My choice but a long shot in the "crazy but necessary war because they tell me so" betting pool is going to war with China over Taiwan. (crossing fingers)
...but Iran is the odds on favorite now that Korea and the only fat guy in that country are quiet. Syria is coming on fast though... and Pakistan and Egypt are certainly crowd pleasers especially if we stop bribing them.
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HockeyDad wrote:
Oh come on now.....President Obama can be tough on the Muslim hordes.

(Look....I even kept a straight face! Liar )


Ah, spoken like a true war warmongering globalist.
-btw, you need a straight face to start if you intend to keep it.
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Brewha wrote:
Ah, spoken like a true war warmongering globalist.
-btw, you need a straight face to start if you intend to keep it.



Globalists do not want war. It is bad for global business. (Except those occasions where starting a war destabilizes a region such that globalist businesses can fill the new void.)
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HockeyDad wrote:
Globalists do not want war. It is bad for global business. (Except those occasions where starting a war destabilizes a region such that globalist businesses can fill the new void.)


The Globalist thing is a pile of crap.....

sounds cool and it makes neat movies but will never happen,,,
frankj1 Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
Oh come on now.....President Obama can be tough on the Muslim hordes.

(Look....I even kept a straight face! Liar )

I heard here that he is a Muslim.

Signed,
Confused in Boston
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bloody spaniard wrote:
Instead of fighting the Iranians, I say we build a giant bait car & arrest them after they get in.Beer


War with Iran is a good idea. I say we spend our entire budget surplus on it.
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HockeyDad wrote:
Globalists do not want war. It is bad for global business. (Except those occasions where starting a war destabilizes a region such that globalist businesses can fill the new void.)


Or if the Globalist has stock in companies that make war, maybe war is tolerable.
bloody spaniard Offline
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Waaahhhh! I wants me more wars!! ram27bat

...but I don't wants my kids to fight 'em.Gonz
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bloody spaniard wrote:
Waaahhhh! I wants me more wars!! ram27bat

...but I don't wants my kids to fight 'em.Gonz


Newt? Dubyah? Darth Cheneyburton? Is that you? buck, buck, buckaw. It's Chickenhawk spring.
bloody spaniard Offline
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pdxstogieman wrote:
Newt? Dubyah? Darth Cheneyburton? Is that you? buck, buck, buckaw. It's Chickenhawk spring.


Applause (plenty of others from BOTH sides of the aisle too)
HockeyDad Offline
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8trackdisco wrote:
Or if the Globalist has stock in companies that make war, maybe war is tolerable.



Well that would be a good example of a case where we globalists are against war except when we are for war.
HockeyDad Offline
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wheelrite wrote:
The Globalist thing is a pile of crap.....

sounds cool and it makes neat movies but will never happen,,,



It already happened. You just didn't get the email.
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8trackdisco wrote:
War with Iran is a good idea. I say we spend our entire budget surplus on it.


After the election, Romney will cede that decision to Netanyahu (or his succesor).
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BREAKING-Obama IS Conducting Secret Negotiations With Iran-They're Led by Valerie Jarrett?!?!

Secret or out in the open, any negotiations with Iran regarding their nuclear program are as delicate as they are important. Obviously they must be handled by a very experienced diplomatic negotiator ..well not according to this President.

Israeli Newspaper Yediot Ahranot published in their Print edition today, that it is friend of Obama , former slumlord, supporter of crony capitalism, and friend of the radical Islamist community Valerie Jarrett who is the president's secret envoy to Iran.

You may remember the reports about Jarret's last foray into foreign policy, she tried to convince Obama NOT to approve the raid on Bin Laden. She was also Obama's representative to the convention of the Hamas-affiliated ISNA convention.

Ask yourself this, do you really want "re-hire" as commander-in-chief a person that sends a former slumlord with no diplomatic experience to negotiate with Iran about its Nuclear Program?

An English Translation of the full Yediot Ahranot story follows:


Yediot Ahranot, November 5, 2012, page 10
Obama’s Woman in Tehran Meet Valerie Jarrett – Obama’s secret envoy to talks with Iran

By Alex Fishman

Valerie Jarrett, senior advisor to President Barack Obama, is the key figure in the secret contacts conducted by the White House with the Iranian government. According to senior sources in Israel, the attorney from Chicago serves as the American president’s personal envoy for contacts with representatives of the spiritual leader Khamenei.

Jarrett, a close friend of Michelle Obama, is a central figure among the advisors to the president. She was born in the city of Shiraz in Iran to parents who were sent on an agricultural mission.

On October 21 the New York Times claimed that the American administration had secret contacts with Iran with the goal of opening direct talks immediately after the presidential elections in the US. A spokesman for the US National Security Council denied that there was any agreement between the Americans and the Iranians for direct talks or of any meeting after the elections, however, the next day senior officials in the administration confirmed that talks existed through a secret channel. They claimed, however, that no meeting was set between the sides.

The American administration made great efforts to minimize the contacts because central countries to the negotiations, like Russia, were not partners to the secret talks.

Israel was apparently surprised by the revelations. Today, however, senior officials in Jerusalem know of secret negotiations taking place between the sides for several months. The contacts, the sources say, were initiated by Jarrett and she serves as the head of the negotiations. Jarrett served, according to them, as the direct and personal envoy of the president to the secret meeting with the Iranians which apparently were held in one of the Persian Gulf emirates, most likely in Bahrain.

At the Iranians request, the talks will open – if they open – after the US elections and only if Obama is reelected.

According to the estimates done in the US State Department, the economic pressure on Iran will reach a climax at the beginning of next year – in February and March, immediately after the presidential inauguration. The direct contacts with Iran on a nuclear understanding are therefore expected to take place precisely in the same time frame that Iran will find itself under particularly heavy pressure. This confluence is likely to bring about positive results in the secret direct talks and in the P5+1 talks.


Jarrett's official title is Senior Adviser and Assistant to the President for Public Engagement and Intergovernmental Affairs. Ms. Jarrett, is one of the President and First Lady's closest and longest held friends.

President Obama has said of Jarrett“she combines the closeness of a family member with the savvy and objectivity of a professional businesswoman and public policy expert” and he “absolutely” runs every decision by her."

President Obama's "family member"does not have a very high opinion of the American people. A video released by Naked Emperor News (embedded below)shows Ms Jarrett taking audience questions at a forum given by the Kennedy School of Govt:


Americans are Idiots: She agrees with one questioner that maybe the administration should create "the dummies guides to the issues Obama is talking about. Because the people only understand simple things like "Hope and Change" but could never understand complicated issues like "cloture." Sorry Valerie, but even "us common folk" can count to 60.
Tea Parties are Anti Government Activists Who Are Trying to Scare People. No Valerie, Anarchists are anti government. Tea Party activists are very pro-government, the constitutional government formed by our founders. By the way, Boris Karloff tried to scare people, Tea Parties try to tell people the truth, its only scary to the people who want to hide the truth.

President Obama's Intelligence is a Burden Because it Enables Him to See His Mistakes Right Away. Man, sometimes this stuff writes itself, but I will try and take the high road. Ms Jarret, if the POTUS was able to see his mistakes right away, his skin wouldn't be so dammed thin and he would have recognized by now that the surge worked.

The arrogance of this administration is simply incredible. Never before has there been a White House with such a low opinion of the American people and such a high opinion of themselves.


http://blip.tv/play/hJNRgcf4RgI.html?p=1


Sensitive negotiations require an experienced negotiator, but this president sends Valerie Jarret, who shows more respect for Hamas-connected ISNA than she does for the American people. Remember that when you go to the Polls tomorrow.

http://yidwithlid.blogspot.com/2012/11/obamas-secret-negotiations-with-iran.html





Think


So...I guess we don't need hillary and the State Department...Jarret is on the job!
bloody spaniard Offline
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Whatever happens PLEASE don't send our kids to fight Iran under the pretense of fighting for our rights, defending our liberties, yada yada yada. Let the OTHER middle eastern countries' kids who have a REAL vested interest die for those lofty ideals.

My kid's not going to die for Taiwan or Syrian freedom either.ram27bat

You want to defend my liberties, protect my rights... then help expel illegals (with or w/o anchor babies), guard the border, and vote out most elected officials. THAT's protecting my liberties!! Not fighting & rebuilding third world countries. Sorry.


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I wasn't kidding in #17, ain't gonna be no war with 'em. Imadinnerjacket is being minimized by the real powers, and he has been the real drummer boy that you think you hear (Mitt is his accompianist, but only has bongos for now). Imadinnierjacket will be gone forever shortly.

Much of the population has a modern "western" yearning, the older radical regime may want Israel (read Jews) wiped off the face of the Earth but are a bit shy on doing it, at least in the near future. Plus the economic sanctions are having an effect.

Despite the lengthy post above, it has not been a big secret that the top nutcakes really do want to talk. It's been easy to find in mainstream media for weeks now. Nonmilitaristic activities seem to be working...but one never knows with these guys. Currently, staying the course appears to be the path to follow for now.
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