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Democrats think that more goverment and government regulations are the salvation of mankind, and do everything in their power to increase both. Republicans talk about smaller government and less regulations, but grow both almost as fast as Democrats. Libertarians are the only ones who are serious about reducing both.

Our freedoms have been whittled away by both sides (bush did it, obama did it, every damn congressman/senator signed it away) ever since we voluntarily gave them the rights to check our colon on a daily basis, simply to reduce the chance a plane might blow up at some point in time somewhere.

I'd rather just risk an occasional loss (we can re-build and re-breed)

What if the occasional loss includes you or your loved ones?

When you leave borders open on purpose, you employ things like the Patriot Act to keep tabs on the general populace without profiling anyone specifically.
It's inevitable that we would lose personal freedoms under the ruse of self preservation.

Eat Mor Chikin

Z... that sentence isn't making a lot of sense.

I understand Bloody's point, he believes that because our borders are relatively open, we need to snoop into everyone's life here to make sure they aren't doing anything that may cause something to go boom.

My point is that this is all overblown. This isn't "24", there isn't a terrorist plot around every corner. If we just dialed it back a bit (say back to pre Trade Center explosion levels) we'd likely not see a huge increase in things going boom. (Yes, we would likely see an increase, but I think the value we would gain in both $$ and freedom would be worth the exchange).

Remember, a lot of the things going boom, and the people getting shot are local grown. Immigration, border security and big explosions are independent things.

IIRC correctly, didn't you mention somewhere that you don't breed? Leave that to others, or something like that??? Just sayin...

Other than that, I do agree that both, the R's and the D's have whored themselves out to the highest bidders. That being said, government has proven itself inept at running a benefit plan. Can we say Social Security? A government run plan that is unarguably a BANKRUPT PONZI SCHEME.

Do we want to allow government the opportunity turn turn healthcare into another bankrupt program?

At what point do we put a stop to the financial hemorrhaging we as a country are experiencing?

At what point do we stop supporting those who chose not to support themselves?

At what point do we allow those who wish to support the cause 'du Jour to do so on a voluntary basis without mandating that those who disagree also fund those projects?

When do we as a nation butt out of business that is not ours.

At what......

/Rant off

Sometimes there is.

The world is always a dangerous place 1% of the time.

I heard that 47% were under Obama's cone....

Sometimes it is more dangerous than you realize and more dangerous than we want you to know.

I dont vote....

Now you're just trying to keep the fear-mongering up so you can keep the population willing and eager for your cone of protection. I'm onto you HD.

(and yes, I would like a job with the multi-nationals)

Can't just blame Bush on this one (although I'd love to). Obama has been just as bad.

There are too many americans who want to give up all their rights just for someone to tell them they're safe from the boogeymonster. It's just too tempting for any politician not to be willing to take the rights.

I blame the big O equally. As I will the next dolt in office since its either the Big O or the albino Big O.

If the Big O had a son, he would have looked like Gary Coleman...

It'll be obama for another 4 years... then Rs will probably win in 2016 (assuming they don't bring in a complete moron).

The reality is, no politician is going to willingly give us our freedoms back. No leader has done that. They will each take freedom to a greater or lesser extent (up until the cold war it was "to a lesser extent") every time something is legislated. It has increased as the fear of an external boogeyman has increased.

Conservative chicken littles said the same thing about 2012. If there isn't going to be a 2012 election could you please tell the two idiots who keep lying to me on the tv to stop it?

I OWN YOU!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2C22wBf2h5k&

I got 99 problems...but Mitt ain't one!

Love to see a three man debate and watch 20% each of the current Romney & Obama supports vote for Johnson and throw a huge ashe wrench into the political machine. It would be a different type of political disfunction over the next four years, but there would be at least as much freedom as we have now, and possibly more.

Obama and Romney will will pass more laws, taxes (monetary and liberties) or set things up that Americans will look back to 2012 fondly.

I'd like to be proactive in thanking the 96% of Americans that will be putting another dagger into the dream that we all once had. Vote Romney/Obama!

.......................................................................................................................................................... friggen morons.

A two mile deep minefield on the border from the Gulf of Mexico to the Pacific. Thick 'n Hardy like the Korean border.

Boom, baby.

+1

^ I'm with 8 on this one. We're giving away ACTUAL rights/freedoms/time/money for security from an unknown, unquantifiable danger. Its risk-averse gone haywire.

Ain't Skeerrtt....

Good for you, brother. We still have to function as providers, live our lives, etc. No need to live in fear (or hate). Screw 'em. Let 'em come.



Exact numbers are insignificant, Victor. Kinda like "close" only counts in horseshoes and atomic bombs. If it's one , it's one too many.