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JEEP...C'mon Down!
DrMaddVibe Offline
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You're the next contestant on The Price is Wrong Bitch!

Jeep, an Obama favorite, looks to shift production to China

Jeep Wrangler behind the president as seen in his new second term agenda binder. In another potential blow for the president's Ohio reelection campaign, Jeep, the rugged brand President Obama once said symbolized American freedom, is considering giving up on the United States and shifting production to China.

Such a move would crash the economy in towns like Toledo, Ohio, where Jeeps are made and supplied, and rob the community of the economic security they thought Obama's auto bailout assured them.

Obama is such a fan of Jeep that he included a picture of himself speaking at the Toledo plant in his newly released second term agenda binder. In his address to the plant in 2011, Obama said, "I just took a short tour of the plant and watched some of you putting the finishing touches on the Wrangler. Now, as somebody reminded, I need to call it the 'iconic' Wrangler. And that's appropriate because when you think about what Wrangler has always symbolized. It symbolized freedom, adventure, hitting the open road, never looking back."

Well it appears that the taxpayer bailed-out Chrysler is looking back and now considering cutting costs by shifting production of all Jeeps to China, which has a strong desire for Jeeps.

In a Bloomberg interview, Jeep's president said the automaker plans to restore Jeep production in China, suspended in 2009, and is considering making all Jeeps in China. "Fiat SpA, majority owner of Chrysler Group LLC, plans to return Jeep output to China and may eventually make all of its models in that country, according to the head of both automakers' operations in the region," reported the business wire service.

Mike Manley, chief operating officer of Fiat and Chrysler in Asia and president of the Jeep brand, told Bloomberg, "We're reviewing the opportunities within existing capacity" as well as "should we be localizing the entire Jeep portfolio or some of the Jeep portfolio" to China.

Chrysler builds Jeep SUV models at plants in Michigan, Illinois and Ohio. Manley said the firm is in talks with China's Guangzhou Automobile Group Co.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/jeep-an-obama-favorite-looks-to-shift-production-to-china/article/2511703#.UIl4z0bCz8B



America...Owedumba isn't going to be happy until he can utter "You didn't build that...you don't build anything!"Frying pan
ZRX1200 Offline
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GO CHINA!!!!


wait till he's a lame duck and he'll really ramp up Fing sheet up.
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I still remember a few years ago when Jeep workers in Toledo were on the local TV station crying because the company wanted them to pay a few (I emphasize a few) dollars a week towards their health benefits. Specifically the moron in the parking lot who whined "What is this, Communist Russia?"

Yes. Everyone in Russia has to pay a few dollars a week for their top shelf health care. Good catch there.

d'oh!

TMCTLT Offline
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To all those casting stones at autoworkers......get off your fatasses and out of your cubicle and go work in a plant for a few years and get back to me....not saying they shouldn't contribute to their healthcare costs but this constant slamming "that one guy in the parking lot" and take a look at all the hard working quality conscious individuals that DO WORK THERE......I hate broad brush statements!!!!!!!!!! At least they provide a product that WE ALL USE on a daily basis.....what are you winers putting out of use??????
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TMCTLT wrote:
To all those casting stones at autoworkers......get off your fatasses and out of your cubicle and go work in a plant for a few years and get back to me....not saying they shouldn't contribute to their healthcare costs but this constant slamming "that one guy in the parking lot" and take a look at all the hard working quality conscious individuals that DO WORK THERE......I hate broad brush statements!!!!!!!!!! At least they provide a product that WE ALL USE on a daily basis.....what are you winers putting out of use??????



The casting of stones is not so much at autoworkers but at their unions. Unions kill the golden goose. It's just what they do.

teedubbya Offline
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I tend to agree but opinions are like aholes and thats a fact
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Wow. Unions created the middle class. The group that fund America, I believe. Unions were created to fight tyranny from the Rockefellers, Carnegies, and Morgan's that ruled the country, and enforced they're employment policies with the guns and clubs of private armies.
We could always go back to that, and are well on our way, with the likes of right to work policies, and union bashing to get these laws passed.
If you want to harp on the Hoffas, and uaw as your example, fine. When your kids are being taught by min wage teachers, your car being built by Chinese children, and your home built by kids dropped out of school to help support their families, the term crashing down around you will have new meaning to you.


I, we, you, will not be in the ruling class. Your businesses will be taken over, run out of business. Bought out, or forced out by the new batch of egomaniacs intent on ruling the country. Then we can stand together at the food line and reminisce about the good old days when unions at least could a person a job making a "living wage".

Unions are the golden goose.
bloody spaniard Offline
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It's only natural to want to keep what you already have.
Look at the monkey who raids the jar, won't unclench his fist of goodies, & is caught by the trap.

Problem is, foreigners work cheap(er). Obama will fix that.
sd72 Offline
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You're probably right.
snowwolf777 Offline
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TMCTLT wrote:
To all those casting stones at autoworkers......get off your fatasses and out of your cubicle and go work in a plant for a few years and get back to me....not saying they shouldn't contribute to their healthcare costs but this constant slamming "that one guy in the parking lot" and take a look at all the hard working quality conscious individuals that DO WORK THERE......I hate broad brush statements!!!!!!!!!! At least they provide a product that WE ALL USE on a daily basis.....what are you winers putting out of use??????



Easy my little hothouse flower. Not all auto workers are union.

Speaking of broadbrush statements, you assume everyone who has a problem with unions never worked in a factory, or performed manual labor?

Let me tell you something, pal: I hate broadbrush statements about all the people who make broadbrush statements.Dancing

bloody spaniard Offline
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Cursing I'm mad, dammit, and I don't know why!Anxious
dstieger Offline
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
You're the next contestant on The Price is Wrong Bitch!

Jeep, an Obama favorite, looks to shift production to China

Jeep Wrangler behind the president as seen in his new second term agenda binder. In another potential blow for the president's Ohio reelection campaign, Jeep, the rugged brand President Obama once said symbolized American freedom, is considering giving up on the United States and shifting production to China.

Such a move would crash the economy in towns like Toledo, Ohio, where Jeeps are made and supplied, and rob the community of the economic security they thought Obama's auto bailout assured them.

Obama is such a fan of Jeep that he included a picture of himself speaking at the Toledo plant in his newly released second term agenda binder. In his address to the plant in 2011, Obama said, "I just took a short tour of the plant and watched some of you putting the finishing touches on the Wrangler. Now, as somebody reminded, I need to call it the 'iconic' Wrangler. And that's appropriate because when you think about what Wrangler has always symbolized. It symbolized freedom, adventure, hitting the open road, never looking back."

Well it appears that the taxpayer bailed-out Chrysler is looking back and now considering cutting costs by shifting production of all Jeeps to China, which has a strong desire for Jeeps.

In a Bloomberg interview, Jeep's president said the automaker plans to restore Jeep production in China, suspended in 2009, and is considering making all Jeeps in China. "Fiat SpA, majority owner of Chrysler Group LLC, plans to return Jeep output to China and may eventually make all of its models in that country, according to the head of both automakers' operations in the region," reported the business wire service.

Mike Manley, chief operating officer of Fiat and Chrysler in Asia and president of the Jeep brand, told Bloomberg, "We're reviewing the opportunities within existing capacity" as well as "should we be localizing the entire Jeep portfolio or some of the Jeep portfolio" to China.

Chrysler builds Jeep SUV models at plants in Michigan, Illinois and Ohio. Manley said the firm is in talks with China's Guangzhou Automobile Group Co.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/jeep-an-obama-favorite-looks-to-shift-production-to-china/article/2511703#.UIl4z0bCz8B



America...Owedumba isn't going to be happy until he can utter "You didn't build that...you don't build anything!"Frying pan


I don't have time to snopesify this right now....but considering building all models in China doesn't say to me that they're "giving up on the United States and shifting production to China". Couldn't they still make Jeeps for Americans in Ohio....and the range of Jeep models for Chinese in China? Something doesn't sound right
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are chinese jeeps smaller..?? Huh
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TMCTLT wrote:
To all those casting stones at autoworkers......get off your fatasses and out of your cubicle and go work in a plant for a few years and get back to me....not saying they shouldn't contribute to their healthcare costs but this constant slamming "that one guy in the parking lot" and take a look at all the hard working quality conscious individuals that DO WORK THERE......I hate broad brush statements!!!!!!!!!! At least they provide a product that WE ALL USE on a daily basis.....what are you winers putting out of use??????



Casting stones?

They deserve every pebble thrown their way.

Forcing an auto manufacturer to the "bargaining table" so they can effectively bankrupt it is shameful. Then when the execs at the other half of the "golden goose" are unwilling to relinquish what they have who pays the price? The schlub on the street wanting a car? The UAW worker that can't afford what they build? Targeting one company against the other so they can carve out more with the threat of a work stoppage that hurts the company name all so they can get a raise. Ford, the one company that didn't take the bailout easy cash...created by a visionary that wanted EVERY MAN to have an affordable car ran on HEMP. Look at his dream now!

As for being in those hellholes called manufacturing plants...been there, done that. Everything from stamping, foundry, parts warehouses, assembly, proving grounds and research and engineering centers. With respect to GM, they deserve the place they're in. They did it to themselves. Romney was dead to rights about how they should've been forced to go through the bankruptcy courts. What this current administration did to bond/shareholders and rearrange the deck chairs so more union thugs could sit at the Big Table is criminal! Instead they stole money from you, your children and your grand children so they can continue to swindle the American car buyer. They will be going under again. They cannot help themselves. As for Chrysler...they took the bailout money too. Sold for pennies on the dollar. Now the new master can do whatever he wants with his new toys. Looks like he's parting the place and he's gonna make his money. Jeep...the American symbol of US military might, rugged individualism and bold risky path creator becomes a car made by slave labor in a 3rd world. They don't give one rat's hairy ass about quality or have a conscious. They were rounded up for jaywalking, political dissidents or other malcontents of the state that instead of making iPods, Nike shoes now they get to make Jeep's for 3 year sentences for their "crimes"!
dstieger Offline
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http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/10/26/wheelies-the-truthiness-edition/

C'mon, DMV, I'd think that anyone as smart as you who spends a bunch of time reading political stuff, would apply a bit of common sense to half-cocked interpretations.
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dstieger wrote:
http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/10/26/wheelies-the-truthiness-edition/

C'mon, DMV, I'd think that anyone as smart as you who spends a bunch of time reading political stuff, would apply a bit of common sense to half-cocked interpretations.



Fair enough...the article has more info than what was provided yesterday!

DrMaddVibe wrote:


Well it appears that the taxpayer bailed-out Chrysler is looking back and now considering cutting costs by shifting production of all Jeeps to China, which has a strong desire for Jeeps.

In a Bloomberg interview, Jeep's president said the automaker plans to restore Jeep production in China, suspended in 2009, and is considering making all Jeeps in China. "Fiat SpA, majority owner of Chrysler Group LLC, plans to return Jeep output to China and may eventually make all of its models in that country, according to the head of both automakers' operations in the region," reported the business wire service.

Mike Manley, chief operating officer of Fiat and Chrysler in Asia and president of the Jeep brand, told Bloomberg, "We're reviewing the opportunities within existing capacity" as well as "should we be localizing the entire Jeep portfolio or some of the Jeep portfolio" to China.




...then again...they could be blowing smoke up everyone's dress and will do whatever they need to to make a profit. They used the word ALL a littel too much for it not to be considered a serious threat.

I'm following the money.
DrafterX Offline
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should have snopesed it first.... Mellow
DrMaddVibe Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
should have snopesed it first.... Mellow

Not talking

I don't use that website.

I have no problem with an article stating something one day and then adding to it the next in the name of reporting. After all we ALL learned that riots and murder can be made from YouTube videos!
dstieger Offline
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Maybe I'm naieve. I read orig piece as Jeep reproducing each of its models in China -- I just never considered - and still don't - that Jeep would move abroad the production of units for US sale. Ford or GM would be a little easier to imagine; for no good reason except my imagination.
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dstieger wrote:
Maybe I'm naieve. I read orig piece as Jeep reproducing each of its models in China -- I just never considered - and still don't - that Jeep would move abroad the production of units for US sale. Ford or GM would be a little easier to imagine; for no good reason except my imagination.


Ever think that in the event of a world war a car plant already making jeeps could be converted to a military application almost overnight? Here we are willing to give up the stamping and dies!
dstieger Offline
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Really? Perhaps we should isolate them globally until they cease ALL automobile production. Russia, too. And those pesky New Guineans deserve some hostile attention, too. They could ramp up their dug-out canoe production and mount BAR's on them overnight.
Really? I imagine that by this point in 2012 the Chinese have figured out how to manufacture weapons without a lot of Chrysler assistance.
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dstieger wrote:
Really? Perhaps we should isolate them globally until they cease ALL automobile production. Russia, too. And those pesky New Guineans deserve some hostile attention, too. They could ramp up their dug-out canoe production and mount BAR's on them overnight.
Really? I imagine that by this point in 2012 the Chinese have figured out how to manufacture weapons without a lot of Chrysler assistance.



Having the Los Alamos facility with the doors wide open for 8 years sure helped!Sarcasm
havana1 Offline
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nurses, police, fire fighters, sheriffs and so on, all belong to unions. are they thought of in the same manner as the
union my father was in for forty years??? Electrical workers union??

Not all union employees are "whiners"!



dstieger Offline
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havana1 wrote:
Not all union employees are "whiners"!



Seriously doubt anyone here would say or think that. But, I agree with HD and the general statement that unions willingly shot and ate the goose. Now, they protest that nobody's got eggs for them. Once they surrendered to the collective, they (unfortunately) get what the collective has dealt them.
bloody spaniard Offline
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^ beautifully said

IMO, government pensioners & double dippers are one of the few sacred cows left. I expect that'll change as well.
HockeyDad Offline
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bloody spaniard wrote:
^ beautifully said

IMO, government pensioners & double dippers are one of the few sacred cows left. I expect that'll change as well.




They're under the Cone until the bankruptcy.
HockeyDad Offline
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havana1 wrote:
nurses, police, fire fighters, sheriffs and so on, all belong to unions. are they thought of in the same manner as the
union my father was in for forty years??? Electrical workers union??

Not all union employees are "whiners"!


As noble as these types of unions profess to be, sometimes they are pretty darn good at trying to kill the golden goose. In their case the mentality is the company(government) can just raise prices (taxes) and not go bankrupt therefore there really is no end to how much more money they can demand.
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HockeyDad wrote:
As noble as these types of unions profess to be, sometimes they are pretty darn good at trying to kill the golden goose. In their case the mentality is the company(government) can just raise prices (taxes) and not go bankrupt therefore there really is no end to how much more money they can demand.



When there's a "bubble" going on everyone is fine and not looking at the bottom line.

When we hit economic straits and headlines state we cannot pay back what we owe towards our national debt and John Q. Sixpack's paycheck doesn't cover what it used to well...Katy bar the door..."Better save the women and children first. Sail away with someone's daughter. Better save the women and children first."
:-"


Perhaps we should look at the entire story...Chrysler was bailed out by the US govt. once before...paid their debt back early...then fell into the same old issues that brought them to the brink of bankruptcy...somewhere in the middle the inventor of the automobile...Daimler/Benz took a run at operating them and got out at a loss...they couldn't make a go of it either...they did keep the coveted fuel cell technology that the engineers at Dodge had created though...then they fell on their knees and went begging to Timothy Geitner...a man that couldn't seem to figure out how to use Turbo Tax BUT ran the NY Federal Reserve and is now the Treasury Sec.!...they got their bailout money and now Fiat buys them for pennies on the dollar for what the US taxpayer has invested. It doesn't surprise me in the least to see the story that they want to fire the plants back into production in China. What did get my attention was the word "ALL" placed all over the article. Now the story has been redacted and the interpretation different than the original because...well because it's an election year!

C'mon people...the swindle is the swindle.

"Ever Get the feeling you've been cheated?" - Johnny Rotten
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http://www.dailyfinance.com/2012/10/26/jeep-china-romney-offshoring-wrong-false-gm/
DrMaddVibe Offline
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JadeRose wrote:
http://www.dailyfinance.com/2012/10/26/jeep-china-romney-offshoring-wrong-false-gm/



"Here's what is true: Chrysler is indeed considering a plan to make Jeeps in China. But it's not planning to send those Jeeps to the U.S. to sell -- and it's definitely not planning to close the factories that currently make Jeeps in Michigan, Illinois, and Ohio."


They already have them...they were idled...Fiat now owns the brand and can do whatever it wants with it. Fiat is an Italian company. They're not flush with cash and will do what they need to to survive. They followed Business 101 rules...Buy cheap - Sell high.


The OP had nothing to do with a political candidate. Now the story has morphed into one.

I guess I read the same article Mittens did too. Still the word "ALL"...it had a meaning to be used so many times. Food for thought.


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Had it on a Sunday show , that Jeep was only gonna build in China for its market. And was gonna add 1500 jobs in America on Gran Cherokee line, sorry Doc.
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Oh yeah, Doc, come on down.
HockeyDad Offline
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drywalldog wrote:
Oh yeah, Doc, come on down.



You waited 11 minutes and then took a victory lap? Hail Obama! 4 more years 'cause the last 4 years were kick-ass!
DrMaddVibe Offline
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drywalldog wrote:
Had it on a Sunday show , that Jeep was only gonna build in China for its market. And was gonna add 1500 jobs in America on Gran Cherokee line, sorry Doc.



Can you read or what?

Following a timeline on a thread a bit above your head?

Or is the temptation to take a run at me too overwhelming for your brain to grasp that you cannot see the posts?

Like HD stated already...and what you already know...the last 4 years were soooo kick ass! Yeah! Vote for the Butcher of Benghazi!
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4 wheel drive DRAMA!
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AUTO BAILOUT BOMBSHELL: Fiat Says Chrysler, Jeep Production May Move to Italy

Coming hot on the heels of speculation that some Jeep production may be moved to China comes a bombshell from a Bloomberg report. Fiat is now considering moving Chrysler and Jeep production to Italy.

According to the piece, "To counter the severe slump in European sales, (Fiat CEO Sergio) Marchionne is considering building Chrysler models in Italy, including Jeeps, for export to North America. The Italian government is evaluating tax rebates on export goods to help Fiat. Marchionne may announce details of his plan as soon as Oct. 30, the people said."

So, let's be real clear here, we are talking about vehicles that will be built in Italy and exported to America. The evidence is clear that Fiat is looking at ways to move production of vehicles from the US to elsewhere, whether it be China or Italy, costing American jobs. This is becoming indisputable, despite outcries from certain parties to the contrary.

Mitt Romney has rightfully criticized the Obama Administration for handing over Chrysler to the Italians and now leaving the fate of American workers in the hands of Fiat management. Fiat is not a healthy company and the auto industry is in as great a risk as ever. The insistence that all is well by those with political motivations does not mask the danger. More jobs are at risk of being lost and more taxpayer money may be lost as well.

Let's face it, the auto bailouts were not well thought out. Perhaps General Motors' CEO, Dan Akerson, said it best when he said, "The good thing about our bankruptcy is that it took only 39 days. The bad news is that bankruptcy took only 39 days. If we had been there longer, people would have asked these questions and looked at these things."

The whole auto industry bailout process was rushed through with the wrong primary motivation of protecting the politically powerful UAW's interests. The Obama Administration never considered that giving Chrysler to Fiat was not a great idea and could eventually hurt the same UAW workers it was trying to protect. Manufacturers like Chrysler and GM are at a competitive disadvantage due to UAW obligations that were not properly addressed in the bankruptcy process. The industry is more competitive than ever and the government does not seem to be the best innovators to lead the sector to real health. This truth is very likely to become more apparent when the political season ends.

http://nlpc.org/cached/fiat-says-chrysler-jeep-production-may-move-italy.html?q=stories/2012/10/29/fiat-says-chrysler-jeep-production-may-move-italy




Think


Now, where did I hear some of this before? Add Chrysler to the mix now!
DrMaddVibe Offline
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Here's the Bloomberg story mentioned above!



Marchionne Seen Missing Fiat Sales Target by $19 Billion

Fiat SpA (F) Chief Executive Officer Sergio Marchionne set a target two and a half years ago to sell 6 million cars annually by 2014, a goal that analysts and industry observers at the time deemed impossible to achieve. They were right.

Marchionne, who runs both the Italian automaker and Chrysler Group LLC, has said he will revise his forecasts when the two companies announce third-quarter results tomorrow. Analysts estimate his sales target will need to come down by 15 billion euros ($19 billion).

“Marchionne was too optimistic in 2010,” said Giuseppe Berta, a professor at Bocconi University in Milan who has written several books on Fiat and has worked as a company historian. “Fiat and Chrysler can’t grow by self-propulsion to the famous 6 million-car target.”

With European auto sales headed for their biggest drop in almost two decades this year, Fiat has said losses in the region are on pace to widen to 700 million euros. A quick turnaround will be a challenge with austerity measures set to restrain demand to below pre-crisis levels until at least 2017, according to forecaster LMC Automotive.

Marchionne, who said as recently as April that he could stop losses in Europe within two years, will have to make do with lower sales than originally expected. The 2014 revenue target for the group, including Chrysler, Ferrari and Maserati, could be cut to 89 billion euros from the 2010 forecast of 104 billion euros, according to a Bloomberg survey of 13 analysts.

Shares Drop

Fiat dropped 2 cents, or 0.6 percent, to 4.12 euros at the close of trading in Milan today. The stock has gained 16 percent this year, valuing the carmaker at 5.15 billion euros.

In unit sales, Fiat is likely to fall short of the target by 27 percent, or 1.6 million cars. Researcher IHS Automotive is predicting sales of 4.4 million in 2014 for the group, up from 4.1 million this year. In Europe, though, IHS expects sales to fall 1.4 percent to about 917,000, while in North America they could jump 6.2 percent to 2 million.

Fiat, which declined to comment for this story, isn’t alone in struggling in Europe. The French government has had to support PSA Peugeot Citroen (UG) by backing 7 billion euros in new bonds for its financing arm. Ford Motor Co. (F) is closing three plants in the region, Daimler AG (DAI) scrapped its profit target for next year, and Volkswagen AG (VOW) posted its largest drop in earnings since 2009 in the third quarter.

Italian Plunge

Fiat’s problems are bigger than many rivals’ because its troubled home country accounts for half its sales in the region. Its plants in Italy, where car sales are on pace to plunge this year to the lowest level in more than three decades, are running at 50 percent of capacity, far below the 80 percent threshold typically considered profitable.

To counter the severe slump in European sales, Marchionne is considering building Chrysler models in Italy, including Jeeps, for export to North America. The Italian government is evaluating tax rebates on export goods to help Fiat. Marchionne may announce details of his plan as soon as Oct. 30, the people said.

“This makes sense on multiple levels” as it will boost plant utilization and would cap “Chrysler’s own potential, limiting the likely cost to Fiat shareholders of buying out the Chrysler minorities,” Stuart Pearson, an analyst at Morgan Stanley in London, said in a note to investors today. “However we see no quick answers, and fear debt could surprise negatively first,” said Pearson, who rates the stock underweight with a target price at 3.90 euros.


Europe Concern

“We are all concerned” about the European crisis, Marchionne said in an interview in Brussels on Oct. 10. While declining to give any details, he said he would update his targets for 2014 by the end of this month.

Those European woes have been offset by the strong performance of Chrysler, Fiat’s Brazilian division and supercar- maker Ferrari SpA. For the third quarter, Fiat’s earnings before interest taxes and one-time gains or costs -- what it calls trading profit -- will increase 10 percent to 938 million euros, according to the average estimate of four analysts surveyed by Bloomberg. Marchionne said at an event in Shanghai yesterday that third-quarter results are in line with estimates.

Partner Search

“Chrysler and Brazil, the group’s strengths, could compensate for the half-disaster in Europe in the short term,” said Massimo Cassia, head of equity at Sella Gestioni Sgr in Milan, who manages about 1.7 billion euros including Fiat shares. “Fiat is massively burning cash in Europe, has few new models in the pipeline, and faces a huge issue of overcapacity.”

Marchionne, 60, has acknowledged that he neglected Europe while fixing Chrysler. While he ultimately would like to merge the two companies into a single global giant, he said he wants to get Fiat back on track before that can happen.

A merger could help the Italian carmaker survive the crisis by providing a reliable source of cash flow. Marchionne has said that in the long term, Fiat and Chrysler may need a third partner to survive and that he has held partnership talks with Mazda Motor Corp. (7261) and Suzuki Motor Corp. (7269)

Last month, Marchionne confirmed Fiat’s targets for 2012, including a revenue increase of at least 29 percent, to more than 77 billion euros, and a 59 percent jump in trading profit to at least 3.8 billion euros. Those gains, though, come mostly thanks to the full consolidation of Chrysler, which last year was included for only seven months.

‘Reality Check’

Marchionne may offer a “reality check on his 2014 targets” when Fiat releases earnings tomorrow, Gianantonio Villani, an analyst at Kepler in Milan, said in a note investors. Villani expects the carmaker’s global sales to be flat next year with revenue falling 8 percent in Europe.

Fiat has suspended investments in Italy, cutting European spending by 500 million euros in 2012, and has delayed new models, including the Punto hatchback because Marchionne doesn’t expect a recovery in the region before 2014.

That strategy of freezing investments and postponing new models has been criticized by politicians and union leaders in Italy and also by Fiat’s main European rival, VW.

Introducing new products is “the preferred strategy than trying to muddle through,” Hans Dieter Poetsch, Volkswagen’s chief financial officer, said on an Oct. 24 conference call, when asked about Fiat’s decision to hold off on refreshing its lineup.

White-Knuckle Ride

The Italian manager, who grew up in Canada, has been urging his European counterparts to come up with a plan to cut overcapacity throughout the region. Fiat itself closed a plant in Sicily last year and is trimming output. The company will halt its Pomigliano plant, where it builds the Panda subcompact, its only new model in the country, from Nov. 26 to Dec. 9, furloughing about 2,000 workers at the facility.

While Marchionne’s aggressive approach to navigating the crisis could still pay off, it may be a white-knuckle ride.

“There are much easier stocks and stories to own in the global auto sector,” Max Warburton, an analyst with Bernstein Research, said in a note to investors. “But while the risks are material, Fiat management’s chosen path could also bring reward.”

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-10-28/marchionne-seen-missing-fiat-sales-target-by-19-billion#p1




Ummm...Mazda...they have US plants...jus' sayin'
cacman Offline
#38 Posted:
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Wonder when the big "O" will start giving everyone a free Jeep?
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#39 Posted:
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cacman wrote:
Wonder when the big "O" will start giving everyone a free Jeep?



Jeep?


I STILL haven't received my free car from GM!!!
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#40 Posted:
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snowwolf777 wrote:
Easy my little hothouse flower. Not all auto workers are union.

Speaking of broadbrush statements, you assume everyone who has a problem with unions never worked in a factory, or performed manual labor?

Let me tell you something, pal: I hate broadbrush statements about all the people who make broadbrush statements.Dancing



LMAO. Thank you for being so succinct.
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bloody spaniard wrote:


Problem is, foreigners work cheap(er).



And, that is 90% of the problem and will be for at lest a century with all the second and third-world countries that haven't hit their industrial revolution stride. No way to change that, other than to own the factories and means of production, which is better than nothing.
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Seems like most of this is comming off like Romney election over-stating/waffling/crap. If Ohioans catch on, he could lose the state. All he has to do is play it straight down the middle- "fairways and greens"- so to speak. Obama will look very presidential this week and this will give him a little bump. Enough to win? I don't know. But the electoral college appears to be very close with Obama in an ever so slight lead. Ohio is one of the linchpins of victory for both. Screwing around with the Chrysler stuff is like swinging for a home run. Either you will knock it out of the park or strike out.


http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/10/30/chrysler-ceo-jeep-production-isnt-moving-to-china/
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#43 Posted:
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Posts: 55,507
rfenst wrote:
Seems like most of this is comming off like Romney election over-stating/waffling/crap. If Ohioans catch on, he could lose the state. All he has to do is play it straight down the middle- "fairways and greens"- so to speak. Obama will look very presidential this week and this will give him a little bump. Enough to win? I don't know. But the electoral college appears to be very close with Obama in an ever so slight lead. Ohio is one of the linchpins of victory for both. Screwing around with the Chrysler stuff is like swinging for a home run. Either you will knock it out of the park or strike out.


http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/10/30/chrysler-ceo-jeep-production-isnt-moving-to-china/







WRONG!!!!







Read the links!
rfenst Offline
#44 Posted:
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
WRONG!!!!







Read the links!


You missed my point. This could easily backfire against Romney in Ohioans' minds. I can see an attack ad of Romney complaining about Chrysler with a split screen of a denial by Chrysler's GM.
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
A merger could help the Italian carmaker survive the crisis by providing a reliable source of cash flow. Marchionne has said that in the long term, Fiat and Chrysler may need a third partner to survive and that he has held partnership talks with Mazda Motor Corp. (7261) and Suzuki Motor Corp. (7269)




ooops....cross off Suzuki!

Suzuki to Exit U.S. Car Market After Almost Three Decades


Suzuki Motor Corp. will pull out of the U.S. car market after almost three decades, following Saab Automobile and Isuzu Motors Ltd. (7202) among automakers making their exits after failing to earn profits in the country.

Suzuki will stop the sale of new automobiles in the U.S., though it will continue offering motorcycles, all-terrain vehicles and boat motors, the Hamamatsu, Japan-based carmaker said in a statement today. The company’s U.S. distributor filed for bankruptcy protection in Santa Ana, California as part of the reorganization.
The withdrawal marks the end of a business that began in 1985 and never managed to win over U.S. consumers as Toyota Motor Corp. (7203) and Honda Motor Co. (7267) did. The move allows Suzuki, which has the smallest U.S. market share among Asian automakers, to focus on defending its lead in India, where the company is facing mounting competition from Hyundai Motor Co. (005380)

“Suzuki is no longer among the carmakers like Toyota or Honda to have an advantageous position in the U.S., so why not focus on what it is good at?” said Satoshi Yuzaki, Tokyo-based general manager at Takagi Securities Co. “It makes sense for Suzuki to focus on India and other Asian markets.”

Suzuki’s sales in the U.S. will stop after its current inventory runs out, said Ei Mochizuki, a Tokyo-based spokesman.

American Suzuki Motor, the wholly owned U.S. distribution unit, agreed to begin reorganization proceedings under Chapter 11 of the U.S. Bankruptcy Code, Suzuki said. The unit had $346 million of debt and $233 million in assets as of Sept. 30, according to bankruptcy filings.


http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-11-05/suzuki-pulls-out-of-u-dot-s-dot-car-market-after-almost-three-decades
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