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rfenst Offline
#1 Posted:
Joined: 06-23-2007
Posts: 39,360

Romney
Bill Nelson (hope he keeps his lead)
John Mica (always brings home the bacon)
Castor-Dental (over Plakon)
Dowdy (over Krause for County Judge- don't think she has ever been in open court)
Voted against all State Constitutional Amendments
Voted to retain all three Florida Sup Ct Justices
Voted for a $.01 tax for our county schools (I am happy to pay and it is greatly needed).
Only one candidate for County Commission and he was unopposed. I hate him anyway. So, I wrote in: "Anyone who isn't a drunk like Constantine".
Only thing bad: Ballot was way to long- four large pages. It would have taken a good 10-15 minutes to read everything had I not been prepared.

Things that bothered me: Water Board, Public defender and Prosecutor are sectarian.Poll watcher sat there and observed. Wasn't aloud to talk to anyone. Several candidates were too close to the front door, which is wrong.

Voted for a $.01 tax for our county schools, which I am happy to pay and is greatly needed.

Only thing bad: Ballot was way to long- four large pages. It would have taken a good 10-15 minutes to read everything had I not been prepared
wheelrite Offline
#2 Posted:
Joined: 11-01-2006
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I don't like early voting,,,

something couyld happen before election day that might influence my vote...


btw,,
we all pay too much for schools,,,


but good for you Robert,,,
bloody spaniard Offline
#3 Posted:
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Applause Beer
rfenst Offline
#4 Posted:
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wheelrite wrote:
I don't like early voting,,,

something couyld happen before election day that might influence my vote...


btw,,
we all pay too much for schools,,,


but good for you Robert,,,


Yeah, something could happen, but it would have to be so significant that I don't worry about it.

As to education: I don'think we pay enough for education. It should be among our nation's highest priorities. Sad that some kids don't already have enough books for each kid to have one for the year. Budgets for the arts have been slashed. Got no problem with athletes paying for their own uniforms, and extracurricular activities, but when teachers need kids to bring in markers for the white board or my kid gets a book that has fallen apart and is taped backed together or has ink underlining, that's not right. We have overcrowding at too several schools and classes are sometimes way to big.

Heard an interesting statistic last week: The U.S. spends more $$ on defense that the next 15 countries combined. If this is true, we should be able to contribute more money for our schools.
wheelrite Offline
#5 Posted:
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rfenst wrote:
Yeah, something could happen, but it would have to be so significant that I don't worry about it.

As to education: I don'think we pay enough for education. It should be among our nation's highest priorities. Sad that some kids don't already have enough books for each kid to have one for the year. Budgets for the arts have been slashed. Got no problem with athletes paying for their own uniforms, and extracurricular activities, but when teachers need kids to bring in markers for the white board or my kid gets a book that has fallen apart and is taped backed together or has ink underlining, that's not right. We have overcrowding at too several schools and classes are sometimes way to big.

Heard an interesting statistic last week: The U.S. spends more $$ on defense that the next 15 countries combined. If this is true, we should be able to contribute more money for our schools.


we also spend more on primary education too,
Whistlebritches Offline
#6 Posted:
Joined: 04-23-2006
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I'm going to have to early vote this coming Tuesday...........not real fond of it but I'll be out of town from then thru the election.I can assure you it would take a catastrophic flub to change my vote in the presidential election.................so I have little concern.


Ron
jackconrad Offline
#7 Posted:
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Robert don't forget. "VOTE EARLY and Often !"
HockeyDad Offline
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rfenst wrote:
As to education: I don'think we pay enough for education. It should be among our nation's highest priorities. Sad that some kids don't already have enough books for each kid to have one for the year. Budgets for the arts have been slashed. Got no problem with athletes paying for their own uniforms, and extracurricular activities, but when teachers need kids to bring in markers for the white board or my kid gets a book that has fallen apart and is taped backed together or has ink underlining, that's not right. We have overcrowding at too several schools and classes are sometimes way to big.

Heard an interesting statistic last week: The U.S. spends more $$ on defense that the next 15 countries combined. If this is true, we should be able to contribute more money for our schools.




Sounds like the teachers' union should push for salary cuts so there is more money for school supplies. It is true however that education spending should be directly proportional to military spending and therefore there should be a special Federal tax implemented in Rfenst's county.
bloody spaniard Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
Sounds like the teachers' union should push for salary cuts so there is more money for school supplies. It is true however that education spending should be directly proportional to military spending and therefore there should be a special Federal tax implemented in Rfenst's county.



LOL! First thing I thought about- more "education spending" for pensions & ridiculous salaries for quasi-competent teachers.
In the meantime, they get our kids to sell cardboard pizzas and other hairbrained fundraisers for textbooks & #2 pencils.Brick wall
DrafterX Offline
#10 Posted:
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Florida doesn't have a lottery for education..?? Here in Oklahoma we have a lottery and 80%... err... 70%... uhh.. 35% goes toward education... ThumpUp
engletl Offline
#11 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
Florida doesn't have a lottery for education..?? Here in Oklahoma we have a lottery and 80%... err... 70%... uhh.. 35% goes toward education... ThumpUp

Heck we have Casinos here with 0% going to education...but you should see the new football stadiums d'oh!
DrafterX Offline
#12 Posted:
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ya, the lottery pisses me off..... lots of broken promises since it started.... but hey, every other week we have 2 or 3 brand new scratchers we can play.. I know this cause I see tv commerciials every hour talking about them... the money was suppose to go toward educaion but it appears it's making a whole bunch of other people rich... as expected I suppose... Mellow
DrMaddVibe Offline
#13 Posted:
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Florida has a lottery.

Funny....it was passed BECAUSE it was supposed to help with education funding.

Think Brick wall Liar
TMCTLT Offline
#14 Posted:
Joined: 11-22-2007
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rfenst wrote:
Yeah, something could happen, but it would have to be so significant that I don't worry about it.

As to education: I don'think we pay enough for education. It should be among our nation's highest priorities. Sad that some kids don't already have enough books for each kid to have one for the year. Budgets for the arts have been slashed. Got no problem with athletes paying for their own uniforms, and extracurricular activities, but when teachers need kids to bring in markers for the white board or my kid gets a book that has fallen apart and is taped backed together or has ink underlining, that's not right. We have overcrowding at too several schools and classes are sometimes way to big.

Heard an interesting statistic last week: The U.S. spends more $$ on defense that the next 15 countries combined. If this is true, we should be able to contribute more money for our schools.



Really???? Let's see the dollar amount spent by US taxpayers on educating the hundreds of thousands of children of Illegal alliens......but nobody's talking about that one, as though it's OK Brick wall
DrafterX Offline
#15 Posted:
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nobody ever thinks about the illegal alien childrens.... Sad
DrMaddVibe Offline
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TMCTLT wrote:
Really???? Let's see the dollar amount spent by US taxpayers on educating the hundreds of thousands of children of Illegal alliens......but nobody's talking about that one, as though it's OK Brick wall



IF we were really serious...we'd solve the immigration issue.

1. End the "anchor baby" dilemma. We're the only nation that offers that. You're not a citizen from the US and have a kid here...congrats...now take you kid home. they're YOUR problem.

2. Instead of rounding up illegals like some "Planet of the Apes" movie...just shoot them. I'm not kidding. They would stop immediately if it started tomorrow. Other nations do it too.

3. Can't provide a valid drivers license, passport and birth certificate you don't get access to hospitals, jobs or education.

Feel free to add to this list but really if we're at the point where we're crying about not spending enough...we're spending waaaay too much and getting too little return for it. Teaching to a standardized test? That's insanity. The smart or gifted aren't rewarded. The stupid get a pass or get shoved on through. How many professional athletes cannot even READ? Please.
Papachristou Offline
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i voted friday. Voted against several tax increases and casinos. fools around here seem to enjoy the dog track enough with my tax dollars.

i agree the ballots are long and unreadable/understandable for most people, especially under pressure. The amendements were fairly simple but it was a few paragraphs of legal jargon.
rfenst Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
Sounds like the teachers' union should push for salary cuts so there is more money for school supplies. It is true however that education spending should be directly proportional to military spending and therefore there should be a special Federal tax implemented in Rfenst's county.


Well, I did vote for the 1% school tax in my county...
rfenst Offline
#19 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
Florida doesn't have a lottery for education..?? Here in Oklahoma we have a lottery and 80%... err... 70%... uhh.. 35% goes toward education... ThumpUp


Same here- supposedly.
rfenst Offline
#20 Posted:
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
. Teaching to a standardized test? That's insanity. The smart or gifted aren't rewarded.


My daughter and son (to a lesser extent because he is younger) are already being recruited by colleges based on their FCAT scores. Daughter got another letter today from some college offering her free tuition if she maintains her grades. I think kids who do best on FCAT get mor eBright Futures scholarship money from the state. FCAT cuts both ways. If you don't pass math and reading at a certain grade, you get put into intensive classes to try to improve one's abilities. having said that, solely teaching for the test isn't great IMO. Kids hate the frigging FCAT!!!
ZRX1200 Offline
#21 Posted:
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Lottery is for more govt jobs and spending.

We spend too much on "education" not educating. PERS and admin costs are ridiculous.
rfenst Offline
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Lottery is for more govt jobs and spending.

We spend too much on "education" not educating. PERS and admin costs are ridiculous.


I have no problem with a good teacher being paid well. how one should be evaluated is beyond me.
ZRX1200 Offline
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I agree they should be well paid if they deserve it.

Unions have entirely too much control.
rfenst Offline
#24 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
I agree they should be well paid if they deserve it.

Unions have entirely too much control.



I will leave that to each community and state to decide. All i know about my children's' school teachers thus far is that bad teachers don't return after a couple years or so.
Russiancrusher Offline
#25 Posted:
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Robert, Robert, Robert:

ROMNEY?

Enough said,LOL.

Eric
HockeyDad Offline
#26 Posted:
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Voted to throw a bunch of judges out!
bloody spaniard Offline
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^ Sounds sensible like changing soiled clothes... Shame there's no term limits across the board.

...and thanks again for not doubling down on a fool, Robert. He had his 4 years.
rfenst Offline
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bloody spaniard wrote:
^ Sounds sensible like changing soiled clothes... Shame there's no term limits across the board.



Good judges and justices are very hard to come by. Not only do they have to have several right qualities in balance, but also real experience. The learning curve is very steep. I will never support a judicial candidate, no matter who it is, who runs against a good sitting judge. Just brings on unpredictable "new blood" who have no experience, which is not a good thing. It is a difficult job and requires one to give up alot in return for their service.
Russiancrusher Offline
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Josh Whedon on Romney



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TiXUF9xbTo
bloody spaniard Offline
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rfenst wrote:
Good judges and justices are very hard to come by. Not only do they have to have several right qualities in balance, but also real experience. The learning curve is very steep. I will never support a judicial candidate, no matter who it is, who runs against a good sitting judge. Just brings on unpredictable "new blood" who have no experience, which is not a good thing. It is a difficult job and requires one to give up alot in return for their service.



Why are good judges/justices (throw in politicians while you're at it) "hard to come by"? We have an inexhaustible supply.
I've always been of the opinion that absolute power corrupts absolutely especially with time. IMHO trades such as bricklaying, sculpting, painting, even IT work improve with time and experience. Elected officials usually only get arrogant & more power hungry as time passes. It is human nature for these folks to become intoxicated with their ability to grant/seek favors and mark their place in history. Thus, we have to help them along to a law practice retirement & replace them periodically. Unfortunately, their voting constituents usually stand by their benefactors through good or bad like a good woman and vote them back in. Terms are needed, otherwise peoples' cynicism towards the broken system will be justified and self-fulfilling. Basta. Enough with the foolishness. Change these officials as you do shoes and underwear. Otherwise, they stink.



On an associated note, I've always contended that all what we really need to do is simplify our laws a la the Code of Hammurabi & hire minimum wage law clerks to interpret & apply.
teedubbya Offline
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usually the quick simplistic knee jerk reaction is the best solution
DrafterX Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
usually the quick simplistic knee jerk reaction is the best solution



they weren't talking about touching themselves.... Mellow
bloody spaniard Offline
#33 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
usually the quick simplistic knee jerk reaction is the best solution



I disagree. We need our betters with their big foreheads to study every situation carefully & tell us what to think.
We're two stoopid.
dstieger Offline
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Russiancrusher wrote:
Josh Whedon on Romney



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TiXUF9xbTo


Shiny! Embrace the future - vote for Rombie! 'Joss', by the way.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

I voted Perot on an absentee ballot (early) in '92. Shortly after I mailed my ballot, he started in with the public paranoia about the RNC conspiracy to get to him through his daughter's wedding (or some such silliness.) I thought for years that I'd have voted differently had I waited for election day. Now, I'm glad I helped push the 'legitimacy' of a third party to 19% - And, I am convinced he'd have been a better president than Clinton was and better than GHWB II would have been. Loved Stockdale on the debate stage.
tailgater Offline
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rfenst wrote:
I have no problem with a good teacher being paid well. how one should be evaluated is beyond me.


Teachers (good ones) should be paid well.
And they should have good benefits.
And strong pensions.

As long as they don't raise my taxes to pay for it all.








bloody spaniard Offline
#36 Posted:
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dstieger wrote:
Shiny! Embrace the future - vote for Rombie! 'Joss', by the way.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

I voted Perot on an absentee ballot (early) in '92. Shortly after I mailed my ballot, he started in with the public paranoia about the RNC conspiracy to get to him through his daughter's wedding (or some such silliness.) I thought for years that I'd have voted differently had I waited for election day. Now, I'm glad I helped push the 'legitimacy' of a third party to 19% - And, I am convinced he'd have been a better president than Clinton was and better than GHWB II would have been. Loved Stockdale on the debate stage.



Yes (what an embarrassment) & definitely YES (eccentricities and all). Applause Unfortunately, the honorable yet befuddled Stockdale not so much...d'oh!

I'm giving the Republicans one last chance. If Romney gets elected, which I doubt, and governs like an Obama, you can count me in your third party/spoiler hijinks from hereon out. I will have permanently lost interest in either major party.
teedubbya Offline
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If it can not fit into a 15 second sound bite or into a sentance or two in a discount cigar forum it is likely the wrong solution.
HockeyDad Offline
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bloody spaniard wrote:
Why are good judges/justices (throw in politicians while you're at it) "hard to come by"? We have an inexhaustible supply.
I've always been of the opinion that absolute power corrupts absolutely especially with time.



Yes but you forget the Great Lawyer Shortage of 1963.
HockeyDad Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
If it can not fit into a 15 second sound bite or into a sentance or two in a discount cigar forum it is likely the wrong solution.



Stop trying to act like you're above it.
teedubbya Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
Stop trying to act like you're above it.


I'm NOT above it.

I'm FOR it.
teedubbya Offline
#41 Posted:
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This actually thinking into things stuff and claiming things are not black and white is over rated.

Fence sitters SUCK!
bloody spaniard Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
If it can not fit into a 15 second sound bite or into a sentance or two in a discount cigar forum it is likely the wrong solution.


Hmmmm, couldn't you have squeezed a little more derisive condescension in there? Yes, I think you COULD! I have faith in you.


HockeyDad wrote:
Yes but you forget the Great Lawyer Shortage of 1963.


Little warrants were abandoned on doorsteps & subpoenas were whipped out & mishandled.Sad
DrMaddVibe Offline
#43 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
Yes but you forget the Great Lawyer Shortage of 1963.



Ahhh, yes...the ol' Storm of '63....almost pales in comparison to the Merger & Acquisitions of 1995!
HockeyDad Offline
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Ahhh, yes...the ol' Storm of '63....almost pales in comparison to the Merger & Acquisitions of 1995!



It was an awful time.....people standing in lines for hours just to speak to a lawyer and get a cup of coffee. Some towns completely ran out of lawyers. People had no choice but to pack up and move out West. Rumor has it that in some of those old ghost towns on really quiet nights, you can still hear ghosts crying out...."I need a lawyer, quick!"
teedubbya Offline
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bloody spaniard wrote:
Hmmmm, couldn't you have squeezed a little more derisive condescension in there? Yes, I think you COULD! I have faith in you.


Sad


of course I can but I like to keep you wanting a lil bit more
victor809 Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
of course I can but I like to keep you wanting a lil bit more


I hear that's always been your philosophy with the womens too... :)
teedubbya Offline
#47 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
I hear that's always been your philosophy with the womens too... :)


of course. once they get a little vitamin T they always want some more
victor809 Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
of course. once they get a little vitamin T they always want some more


.... the sad part is you can only give them a little vitamin t, eh? :)
teedubbya Offline
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victor809 wrote:
.... the sad part is you can only give them a little vitamin t, eh? :)


only a little at a time. I don't want them to get hurt
teedubbya Offline
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all right. I admit. I'm Irish and the curse is true.
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