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victor809 Offline
#1 Posted: Fri, Nov 2 2012, 12:10 PM EST
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Okay...

So this article claims 68% of republicans believe in demonic possession and the cited article goes on to the other percentages of belief in things like ghosts.

http://www.salon.com/2012/11/02/poll_most_republicans_believe_in_demonic_possession/

Now, the article is obviously trying to juxtapose climate change (something with some level of scientific evidence) with demonic possession (something which has no evidence whatsoever)... But I don't particularly care what you choose (evolution? whatever)...

Does anyone on this forum actually believe in some sort of supernatural crap, but refuse to believe any random controversial scientific topic? Just curious....
bloody spaniard Offline
#2 Posted: Fri, Nov 2 2012, 12:33 PM EST
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Not for nothing, you sound a little possessed yourself, bub.

Sure, I believe in demonic possession just as I do in chemical brain inbalance. Perhaps there's a symbiosis.
Btw, have you ever been to the looooong stairs in Georgetown where the Jesuit was demonically pushed, er, tripped in the Exorcist?
blackfoot11 Offline
#3 Posted: Fri, Nov 2 2012, 12:35 PM EST
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i'm demonically possessed, and i'm sure my brutha blood would approve this message............
tailgater Offline
#4 Posted: Fri, Nov 2 2012, 12:36 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Okay...

So this article claims 68% of republicans believe in demonic possession and the cited article goes on to the other percentages of belief in things like ghosts.

http://www.salon.com/2012/11/02/poll_most_republicans_believe_in_demonic_possession/

Now, the article is obviously trying to juxtapose climate change (something with some level of scientific evidence) with demonic possession (something which has no evidence whatsoever)... But I don't particularly care what you choose (evolution? whatever)...

Does anyone on this forum actually believe in some sort of supernatural crap, but refuse to believe any random controversial scientific topic? Just curious....


Didn't open the link.
What is salon.com?

As for supernatural stuff, you need to be more specific.
You talking religion, or just ghosts.

And to take it further, you may need to include extraterestrials. Which appeal more to the scientific crowd then they do to the religious, thereby skewing your numbers not insignificantly.

You are fixated with polls, which by and large are entirely unscientific because they are biased in interpretation.
Case in point is the 68% figure you cite above. That's a ridiculous percentage unless your were asking about members of congress...
bloody spaniard Offline
#5 Posted: Fri, Nov 2 2012, 12:38 PM EST
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blackfoot11 wrote:
i'm demonically possessed, and i'm sure my brutha blood would approve this message............



Weird- I was just thinking that about you!ThumpUp

LMAO!
dpnewell Offline
#6 Posted: Fri, Nov 2 2012, 12:39 PM EST
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Of course Demon possession is real. Look at the evidence. 47% voting to re-elect Obama. Demon possession is the only plausible explanation.
victor809 Offline
#7 Posted: Fri, Nov 2 2012, 12:49 PM EST
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bloody spaniard wrote:

Btw, have you ever been to the looooong stairs in Georgetown where the Jesuit was demonically pushed, er, tripped in the Exorcist?


don't make it to georgetown (no metro) much, but I do love those stairs.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#8 Posted: Fri, Nov 2 2012, 12:50 PM EST
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dpnewell wrote:
Of course Demon possession is real. Look at the evidence. 47% voting to re-elect Obama. Demon possession is the only plausible explanation.



Frying pan Frying pan Frying pan
ZRX1200 Offline
#9 Posted: Fri, Nov 2 2012, 12:52 PM EST
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Solon is a lefty one.
victor809 Offline
#10 Posted: Fri, Nov 2 2012, 12:54 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Didn't open the link.
What is salon.com?

As for supernatural stuff, you need to be more specific.
You talking religion, or just ghosts.

And to take it further, you may need to include extraterestrials. Which appeal more to the scientific crowd then they do to the religious, thereby skewing your numbers not insignificantly.

You are fixated with polls, which by and large are entirely unscientific because they are biased in interpretation.
Case in point is the 68% figure you cite above. That's a ridiculous percentage unless your were asking about members of congress...




The poll was specific. I wasn't, because I didn't want to recreate it (lazy).

Although the extraterrestrial part is an interesting concept. It's a wide open category tho, (ie, someone who believes aliens came to earth and probed their butt is a different concept than believing that there could be bacteria-like stuff growing on another planet somewhere in the entire universe).
DrMaddVibe Offline
#11 Posted: Fri, Nov 2 2012, 12:56 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
The poll was specific. I wasn't, because I didn't want to recreate it (lazy).

Although the extraterrestrial part is an interesting concept. It's a wide open category tho, (ie, someone who believes aliens came to earth and probed their butt is a different concept than believing that there could be bacteria-like stuff growing on another planet somewhere in the entire universe).





CROP CIRCLE ALERT!!!
DrafterX Offline
#12 Posted: Fri, Nov 2 2012, 1:07 PM EST
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I heard they got a pic of BigFoots on Mars.... Mellow
bloody spaniard Offline
#13 Posted: Fri, Nov 2 2012, 1:20 PM EST
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I can see the steam coming out of Victor's ears as I type...Angry

LOL!
HockeyDad Offline
#14 Posted: Fri, Nov 2 2012, 1:38 PM EST
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Demonic possession could be the root cause of gay-homoism.
DrafterX Offline
#15 Posted: Fri, Nov 2 2012, 1:42 PM EST
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Think
I don't think demonic possession is a choice....... take Chucky for example, he was just an average dude doll thing.. he didn't ask to be possessed.... Mellow
Whistlebritches Offline
#16 Posted: Fri, Nov 2 2012, 2:18 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Think
I don't think demonic possession is a choice....... take Chucky for example, he was just an average dude doll thing.. he didn't ask to be possessed.... Mellow



LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL
tailgater Offline
#17 Posted: Fri, Nov 2 2012, 2:39 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
The poll was specific. I wasn't, because I didn't want to recreate it (lazy).

Although the extraterrestrial part is an interesting concept. It's a wide open category tho, (ie, someone who believes aliens came to earth and probed their butt is a different concept than believing that there could be bacteria-like stuff growing on another planet somewhere in the entire universe).


Let me preface this by saying I find 98.2% of all polls to be misleading.

But regarding the ET's, I was referring to sightings and the belief that there is INTELLIGENT life elsewhere in the universe. Nobody except a few lab rats care about some bacteria or shapeless blob that carries DNA.
Let's face it, if someone is religious enough to believe in demonic possession, then they believe in a god, and god made MAN. he didn't make Aliens, lest there would be other chapters in the good book.

So when we say "super natural", we have to be specific. Otherwise we'll comingle results from two opposing viewpoints.


Now, I think it would be easy to "prove" with scientific theory and mathematical calculalations that there is a likelihood of superior intelligence somewhere in the universe, and that they may have the ability to visit earth. But it would be extremely difficult to "prove" the existence of ghosts/demons/spirts of any kind using traditional scientific methods.

Yet, I suggest that you are equally as likely to encounter either.
Or neither, as the case may be.

Why is that, Mr. Science?
victor809 Offline
#18 Posted: Fri, Nov 2 2012, 2:54 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Let me preface this by saying I find 98.2% of all polls to be misleading.

But regarding the ET's, I was referring to sightings and the belief that there is INTELLIGENT life elsewhere in the universe. Nobody except a few lab rats care about some bacteria or shapeless blob that carries DNA.
Let's face it, if someone is religious enough to believe in demonic possession, then they believe in a god, and god made MAN. he didn't make Aliens, lest there would be other chapters in the good book.

So when we say "super natural", we have to be specific. Otherwise we'll comingle results from two opposing viewpoints.


Now, I think it would be easy to "prove" with scientific theory and mathematical calculalations that there is a likelihood of superior intelligence somewhere in the universe, and that they may have the ability to visit earth. But it would be extremely difficult to "prove" the existence of ghosts/demons/spirts of any kind using traditional scientific methods.

Yet, I suggest that you are equally as likely to encounter either.
Or neither, as the case may be.

Why is that, Mr. Science?


An interesting proposition, and one I find to be completely incorrect.... but interesting.

As for the "ETs" visiting earth. That's as flimsy and fabricated as any religious belief. There's no verifiable proof, nothing that holds up to scrutiny.

As for there being some level of "life" somewhere in the universe, that's unproveable (until we travel to a place where it exists). However, if you believe in evolution, and you believe in statistics and probability theory, then it is reasonable to state that the odds are strong there is some form of life elsewhere, with the odds reducing as you increase the complexity of said life. This is in NO WAY a proof though, just probability theory.

You seem to think that we are equally likely to encounter some ghost/demon/spirit as we are to encounter some form of non-earth based life though. Am I correct in that re-statement?

I'm going to say you're likely correct (if by "we" you mean you and i) simply because within our short lives neither of us will encounter the statistically likely extra-terrestrial life (since that level of space travel is not happening any time soon) and the other category doesn't likely exist.

However, if you're using the "we" as humanity... then you're probably wrong. One category has a probability associated with its existence, something which given sufficient time will ultimately occur. The "supernatural" category has no probability associated with its existence, and no evidence of its existence. Time is not on its side.
HockeyDad Offline
#19 Posted: Fri, Nov 2 2012, 3:13 PM EST
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This is like arguing over Star Trek vs Star Trek: Next Generation.
DrafterX Offline
#20 Posted: Fri, Nov 2 2012, 3:27 PM EST
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Think
Why does God need a starship..?? Huh
HockeyDad Offline
#21 Posted: Fri, Nov 2 2012, 3:28 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Think
Why does God need a starship..?? Huh



Prolly just to show off.
victor809 Offline
#22 Posted: Fri, Nov 2 2012, 3:30 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
This is like arguing over Star Trek vs Star Trek: Next Generation.


Was this how you spent your youth HD?
HockeyDad Offline
#23 Posted: Fri, Nov 2 2012, 3:54 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Was this how you spent your youth HD?



Nope.....how 'bout you "scientist"?!
victor809 Offline
#24 Posted: Fri, Nov 2 2012, 3:58 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Nope.....how 'bout you "scientist"?!


As this is the internet, I'm obligated to say I spent my youth having sex with tons of hot women. You probably didn't know them, they lived in Canada.
Whistlebritches Offline
#25 Posted: Fri, Nov 2 2012, 4:04 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
As this is the internet, I'm obligated to say I spent my youth having sex with tons of hot rugby playing dudes.I guess things really haven't changed much.....cept now I bang the boys in Georgetown rather than up in Canada EH.



All fixed now Vic....or Vickie whatever you prefer.


Ron
victor809 Offline
#26 Posted: Fri, Nov 2 2012, 4:09 PM EST
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Whistlebritches wrote:
I can't help myself but fixate on Victor's sexuality. Every post I've ever directed towards him has to do with whether he'll have sex with men, because I can't get it out of my mind. I've tried calling him "Vickie" in the hopes that this will make me seem more masculine, but I'm afraid the others may see through this. Damnit, if only I weren't plagued with this deep sexual confusion, but I want to have sex with men so badly!


Ron


There, I fixed it for you.
Not like two people can't play this game.
HockeyDad Offline
#27 Posted: Fri, Nov 2 2012, 4:10 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
As this is the internet, I'm obligated to say I spent my youth having sex with tons of hot women. You probably didn't know them, they lived in Canada.



Ohhhh...
I wish you could meet my girlfriend, my girlfriend who lives in Canada.
She couldn't be sweeter
I wish you could meet her,
My girlfriend who lives in Canada!

Her name is Alberta
She live in Vancouver
She cooks like my mother
And sucks like a Hoover.

I e-mail her every single day
Just to make sure that everything's okay.
It's a pity she lives so far away, in Canada!

Last week she was here, but she had the flu.
Too bad
'Cause I wanted to introduce her to you
It's so sad
There wasn't a thing that she could do
But stay in bed with her legs up over her head!
Oh!

I wish you could meet my girlfriend,
But you can't because she is in Canada.
I love her, I miss her, I can't wait to kiss her,
So soon I'll be off to Alberta!
I mean Vancouver!
****! Her name is Alberta, she lives in Vancou-

She's my girlfriend!
My wonderful girlfriend!
Yes I have a girlfriend, who lives in Canada!!

And I can't wait to eat her **** again!
Whistlebritches Offline
#28 Posted: Fri, Nov 2 2012, 6:07 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
There, I fixed it for you.
Not like two people can't play this game.


The difference I can laugh my azz off at it.....BTW good one.


Ron
tailgater Offline
#29 Posted: Fri, Nov 2 2012, 11:13 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
An interesting proposition, and one I find to be completely incorrect.... but interesting.

As for the "ETs" visiting earth. That's as flimsy and fabricated as any religious belief. There's no verifiable proof, nothing that holds up to scrutiny.

As for there being some level of "life" somewhere in the universe, that's unproveable (until we travel to a place where it exists). However, if you believe in evolution, and you believe in statistics and probability theory, then it is reasonable to state that the odds are strong there is some form of life elsewhere, with the odds reducing as you increase the complexity of said life. This is in NO WAY a proof though, just probability theory.

You seem to think that we are equally likely to encounter some ghost/demon/spirit as we are to encounter some form of non-earth based life though. Am I correct in that re-statement?

I'm going to say you're likely correct (if by "we" you mean you and i) simply because within our short lives neither of us will encounter the statistically likely extra-terrestrial life (since that level of space travel is not happening any time soon) and the other category doesn't likely exist.

However, if you're using the "we" as humanity... then you're probably wrong. One category has a probability associated with its existence, something which given sufficient time will ultimately occur. The "supernatural" category has no probability associated with its existence, and no evidence of its existence. Time is not on its side.


Vic,
I'm talking about ET's. Beings of apparent superior intelligence based on the fact that they flew here before we could fly there.

And it is indeed a "scientific" approach to use mathematical probability.
Our planet is billions of years old. Although mankind is a new inhabitant, our earth evolved first into dinosaurs, and then into humans. Since the universe is infinite, it's likely that another planet went directly to go. ie, their superior life didn't wait for previous incarnations to form and die. So they have a head start and are making crop circles in Rickamavens flower pot.

So it's likely that we'll see them before we see an imagined spirit, if you subscribe to your "scientific" thought process.
But I'm saying that you and I and everyone reading this have the SAME chance of seeing ET as they do seeing the spirit of Lizzie Borden (or the demon of your choice).

Math. It even trumps arrogant scientists.
And it's not just for breakfast any more.
tailgater Offline
#30 Posted: Fri, Nov 2 2012, 11:15 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
This is like arguing over Star Trek vs Star Trek: Next Generation.


Like that's even an argument.
pdxstogieman Offline
#31 Posted: Fri, Nov 2 2012, 11:39 PM EST
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I'd say there's a distinctly higher possibility of the existence of demonic possession than there is of any post on these forums actually influencing someone to change their mind reqarding religious beliefs or politics.
tailgater Offline
#32 Posted: Sat, Nov 3 2012, 11:48 PM EST
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pdxstogieman wrote:
I'd say there's a distinctly higher possibility of the existence of demonic possession than there is of any post on these forums actually influencing someone to change their mind reqarding religious beliefs or politics.


Amen!
victor809 Offline
#33 Posted: Mon, Nov 5 2012, 11:12 AM EST
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tailgater wrote:

And it is indeed a "scientific" approach to use mathematical probability.

That's incorrect. Mathematical probability might suggest a direction to investigate, but the scientific method does not use mathematical probability to prove something.

Quote:

Our planet is billions of years old. Although mankind is a new inhabitant, our earth evolved first into dinosaurs, and then into humans. Since the universe is infinite, it's likely that another planet went directly to go. ie, their superior life didn't wait for previous incarnations to form and die. So they have a head start and are making crop circles in Rickamavens flower pot.

So it's likely that we'll see them before we see an imagined spirit, if you subscribe to your "scientific" thought process.

I'm following you here. If we are only looking at two categories ("demons", which don't exist have a zero chance of ever being seen, while "ET" which may or may not exist (the probability of some life existing is almost guaranteed, that they got a jump start on us is an unknown and actually a finite chance, as no new life with a jump start on us can evolve) has a non zero probability of occurring.

Quote:

But I'm saying that you and I and everyone reading this have the SAME chance of seeing ET as they do seeing the spirit of Lizzie Borden (or the demon of your choice).

Math. It even trumps arrogant scientists.
And it's not just for breakfast any more.


And you lost me. Zero vs non zero (even infinitely small non zero) are two different chances.
tailgater Offline
#34 Posted: Mon, Nov 5 2012, 11:56 AM EST
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victor809 wrote:
That's incorrect. Mathematical probability might suggest a direction to investigate, but the scientific method does not use mathematical probability to prove something.


I'm following you here. If we are only looking at two categories ("demons", which don't exist have a zero chance of ever being seen, while "ET" which may or may not exist (the probability of some life existing is almost guaranteed, that they got a jump start on us is an unknown and actually a finite chance, as no new life with a jump start on us can evolve) has a non zero probability of occurring.


And you lost me. Zero vs non zero (even infinitely small non zero) are two different chances.



I never said that probability was a key component to scientific method.
Some time over a beer I'll explain how mathematics and probability are indeed used in scientific discovery. But something tells me that you already know and are purposely splitting hairs on terminology.
This is getting way too serious for a discussion about demons. Herfing
Stinkdyr Offline
#35 Posted: Mon, Nov 5 2012, 12:05 PM EST
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There is a spectre haunting Europe....



er um, nevermind.


fog
Brewha Offline
#36 Posted: Mon, Nov 5 2012, 9:10 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
That's incorrect. Mathematical probability might suggest a direction to investigate, but the scientific method does not use mathematical probability to prove something.


Heisenberg just threw up . . . .


Anyway, we all know that demons exist. They are the ones that originally canceled Star Trek, and then perverted it with Star Trek Online. And yes, it seems conclusive that they are Republicans. Cold and heartless, they cannot be reasoned with. They don’t feel pity or remorse. And they sell Android phones;
Are you aware of the proverb that teaches us that Ice Cream Sandwich is a dish that is best served cold?
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