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victor809 Offline
#1 Posted: Wed, Nov 7 2012, 10:04 AM EST
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While the right-wing nutjobs in this forum rend their garments and rip at their hair, I thought I'd sit back and ponder this election a bit.

Like the election 4 years ago, the Republicans have pushed the whole "family values" (code for christian rule) so hard that it has to have alienated a number of voters. But it isn't like Obama isn't religious, and he's certainly tried playing the god card a few times.

So why is it that romney, and the republicans are so frightening to "moderates" (and yes, the concept of strongly religious people dictating the policy of a country IS frightening when it isn't your religion)? I still don't know why it is that Obama gets a pass (even from me) when he goes off mentioning god, but it sets my nerves on edge when a republican politician does it. Possibly not a logical response.

But that got me thinking about my work, and about my coworkers, I mean president of the USA is a job right? I go to work every day and I've only on rare occasions had co-workers feel the need to mention their god, or any god. And it has NEVER been required in the course of work. When we discuss the commissioning plan, or validation activities for some pharma processes, no one says "well, god willing, we can succeed" or "I'm going to validate this the way god would want it validated" or any other bs like that.

I don't know why the political candidates feel like they need to invoke some god in everything they do in their job.
Brewha Offline
#2 Posted: Wed, Nov 7 2012, 10:14 AM EST
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Pandering.
HockeyDad Offline
#3 Posted: Wed, Nov 7 2012, 10:17 AM EST
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victor809 wrote:
I don't know why the political candidates feel like they need to invoke some god in everything they do in their job.



Because if it doesn't work out correctly it is God's fault, errr God's will.
Brewha Offline
#4 Posted: Wed, Nov 7 2012, 10:30 AM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Because if it doesn't work out correctly it is God's fault, errr God's will.


Like Obama winning twice?
HockeyDad Offline
#5 Posted: Wed, Nov 7 2012, 10:35 AM EST
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Brewha wrote:
Like Obama winning twice?



Yes. It was Allah's will. Allāhu Akbar!
Gene363 Offline
#6 Posted: Wed, Nov 7 2012, 11:06 AM EST
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Gloat away, the baby killers prevailed.
victor809 Offline
#7 Posted: Wed, Nov 7 2012, 11:26 AM EST
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Gene363 wrote:
Gloat away, the baby killers prevailed.


They're coming for your baby next, I'm sure.
Gene363 Offline
#8 Posted: Wed, Nov 7 2012, 11:30 AM EST
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victor809 wrote:
They're coming for your baby next, I'm sure.


If that is supposed to be a threat it is a major fail.
victor809 Offline
#9 Posted: Wed, Nov 7 2012, 12:08 PM EST
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Gene363 wrote:

If that is supposed to be a threat it is a major fail.


It's a mockery gene.
HockeyDad Offline
#10 Posted: Wed, Nov 7 2012, 12:16 PM EST
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It's a travesty of a mockery of a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham.
Brewha Offline
#11 Posted: Wed, Nov 7 2012, 12:59 PM EST
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He's such a macher 'cause he worked his tuchis off.
Gene363 Offline
#12 Posted: Wed, Nov 7 2012, 1:20 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
It's a mockery gene.


Mockery is killing kids in the name of freedom.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#13 Posted: Wed, Nov 7 2012, 1:22 PM EST
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Gene363 wrote:
Mockery is killing kids in the name of freedom.



MOCKERY = ABORTION!
victor809 Offline
#14 Posted: Wed, Nov 7 2012, 1:31 PM EST
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Gene363 wrote:
Mockery is killing kids in the name of freedom.


^ I think you've illustrated my point nicely.

I put a post up saying "Hey, R's have this nasty religion habit, but I recognize the D's do too... Why does it have to be this way?" I'm basically saying "My next vote is for sale to the first damn candidate who can do his job without having to praise some god"... and you jump in with baby killing.

Now, I'm all for a good baby killing. Probably should have a national day for baby killing, you know... to be efficient. But what the hell does efficient baby killing have to do with religion?
tailgater Offline
#15 Posted: Wed, Nov 7 2012, 1:43 PM EST
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Vic,
If you think the GOP ran on "familiy values" as their major issue, then you're dumber than your post implies.
victor809 Offline
#16 Posted: Wed, Nov 7 2012, 1:52 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Vic,
If you think the GOP ran on "familiy values" as their major issue, then you're dumber than your post implies.



TG, the GOP's message is always tangled up with family values. Just like the Dem's message always gets tangled up with "Climate change".

The question (and i think you're actually the one that posed it originally) is essentially "Why is it the R's are the ones painted as the "god" party when both parties constantly use "god" in their message?"

I have no more a guarantee that obama won't try to turn this into a christian sharia law than romney, yet the public perception is otherwise.
frankj1 Offline
#17 Posted: Wed, Nov 7 2012, 1:54 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
It's a travesty of a mockery of a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham.

am I correct in inferring a Woody Allen reference piece?
DrMaddVibe Offline
#18 Posted: Wed, Nov 7 2012, 1:58 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Now, I'm all for a good baby killing. Probably should have a national day for baby killing, you know... to be efficient. But what the hell does efficient baby killing have to do with religion?



Think


Really?


Think


Nazi much?


Rough up a couple of rubby players in Georgetown and watch the fur fly!
Numismaniac Offline
#19 Posted: Wed, Nov 7 2012, 2:16 PM EST
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hehe,

Doc, are you left handed?


Mind like a steel trap, like myself, but I prefer to play Kuntry Dumb,

actually Vic has some good points, they just get "all boogered up" with his feelings.
teedubbya Offline
#20 Posted: Wed, Nov 7 2012, 2:19 PM EST
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Akin's "concession speach" was priceless last night.

At least most of the R party ran away from him (until the end when some came back out of desperation)
victor809 Offline
#21 Posted: Wed, Nov 7 2012, 2:22 PM EST
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Numismaniac wrote:
hehe,

Doc, are you left handed?


Mind like a steel trap, like myself, but I prefer to play Kuntry Dumb,

actually Vic has some good points, they just get "all boogered up" with his feelings.


Really? point out an instance. It's a simple question. I'm asking about public perception, and the habit both parties have of leaning on a religion. What about that is "feelings"?
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#22 Posted: Wed, Nov 7 2012, 2:23 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Akin's "concession speach" was priceless last night.

At least most of the R party ran away from him (until the end when some came back out of desperation)


Was that the one where he equated losing to people getting over cancer or something like that?
teedubbya Offline
#23 Posted: Wed, Nov 7 2012, 2:24 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Was that the one where he equated losing to people getting over cancer or something like that?



google is and watch the youtube.... what a hot mess. many in here would agree with it. sad.
Brewha Offline
#24 Posted: Wed, Nov 7 2012, 2:43 PM EST
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Victor,
While the separation of church and state is fundamental and important to us as Americans, recognize that common religious beliefs are always going to be part of the mix. If the President did not acknowledge a deity, many would find it unforgivably offensive.

Why? Well, if you want to see the scientific reasons for it, then check out Ernest Becker; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Denial_of_Death
HockeyDad Offline
#25 Posted: Wed, Nov 7 2012, 2:45 PM EST
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Gene363 wrote:
Mockery is killing kids in the name of freedom.



I've heard that freedom isn't free.
HockeyDad Offline
#26 Posted: Wed, Nov 7 2012, 2:46 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
am I correct in inferring a Woody Allen reference piece?



Absolutely!
tailgater Offline
#27 Posted: Wed, Nov 7 2012, 2:47 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
I've heard that freedom isn't free.

I heard it's just another word for nothing left to lose.
tailgater Offline
#28 Posted: Wed, Nov 7 2012, 2:48 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
TG, the GOP's message is always tangled up with family values. Just like the Dem's message always gets tangled up with "Climate change".

The question (and i think you're actually the one that posed it originally) is essentially "Why is it the R's are the ones painted as the "god" party when both parties constantly use "god" in their message?"

I have no more a guarantee that obama won't try to turn this into a christian sharia law than romney, yet the public perception is otherwise.


If you're talking perception, then you're correct.
teedubbya Offline
#29 Posted: Wed, Nov 7 2012, 2:48 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
I heard it's just another word for nothing left to lose.


I always suspected you were a fat unkept chick
HockeyDad Offline
#30 Posted: Wed, Nov 7 2012, 2:48 PM EST
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Nothing don't mean nothing honey if it ain't free, now now.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#31 Posted: Wed, Nov 7 2012, 2:52 PM EST
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Numismaniac wrote:
hehe,

Doc, are you left handed?


Mind like a steel trap, like myself, but I prefer to play Kuntry Dumb,

actually Vic has some good points, they just get "all boogered up" with his feelings.



Was supposed to be! I started out that way...a certain teacher kept rapping my knuckles with a ruler yelling "Hand of the Devil!!!" everytime I picked up a crayon or pencil! Been a righty since 1st grade the hard way! Kindergarten sucked!

Vic hasn't made any valid points. He comes in with some touchy-feely smarmy nobody gives a crap stuff and talks up like he's informative when he's pulling an "Adroomi on Math" kinda garbled up vomit. Everything from militant homosexual agendas to global warming. Non-issues that guys named Chad and Bruce talk about over their iced coffee latte grandes. Never going to change a mind or shed a scintilla of thought...hell, the guy has had to undergo several name changes because he's been banned...only a matter of time before he goes off the deep end again and we'll have to plod with posts from Victor909 or whatever!
tailgater Offline
#32 Posted: Wed, Nov 7 2012, 2:56 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I always suspected you were a fat unkept chick


Not to mention unkempt...
DrMaddVibe Offline
#33 Posted: Wed, Nov 7 2012, 2:57 PM EST
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With 25 cats...indoors?whip
teedubbya Offline
#34 Posted: Wed, Nov 7 2012, 2:57 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Not to mention unkempt...


well at least you never let jack kemp have his way with you. you got that going for you
tailgater Offline
#35 Posted: Wed, Nov 7 2012, 3:57 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
well at least you never let jack kemp have his way with you. you got that going for you


No. But OJ would routinely run through me like an airport lobby. Like through a blitzing defense. Like a knife through....nevermind.
teedubbya Offline
#36 Posted: Wed, Nov 7 2012, 4:27 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
No. But OJ would routinely run through me like an airport lobby. Like through a blitzing defense. Like a knife through....nevermind.



just keep your head about you
tailgater Offline
#37 Posted: Wed, Nov 7 2012, 4:32 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
just keep your head about you


I'm not concerned.
You told me if I lost mine, that you'd give me one...
DrMaddVibe Offline
#38 Posted: Wed, Nov 7 2012, 4:37 PM EST
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With 25 cats...indoors?whip
Brewha Offline
#39 Posted: Wed, Nov 7 2012, 4:41 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
I'm not concerned.
You told me if I lost mine, that you'd give me one...


But would you want it?
teedubbya Offline
#40 Posted: Wed, Nov 7 2012, 4:44 PM EST
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why stop at one?
Brewha Offline
#41 Posted: Wed, Nov 7 2012, 4:54 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
why stop at one?

Dude, they are not like potato chips . . . .

Then I ask myself; “How much head does one need”.
Ok – I see your point.
tailgater Offline
#42 Posted: Wed, Nov 7 2012, 5:01 PM EST
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Well if 2 heads are better than one...
teedubbya Offline
#43 Posted: Wed, Nov 7 2012, 5:07 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Well if 2 heads are better than one...


you may as well go full bukakke
Numismaniac Offline
#44 Posted: Wed, Nov 7 2012, 5:48 PM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Was supposed to be! I started out that way...a certain teacher kept rapping my knuckles with a ruler yelling "Hand of the Devil!!!" everytime I picked up a crayon or pencil! Been a righty since 1st grade the hard way! Kindergarten sucked!

Vic hasn't made any valid points. He comes in with some touchy-feely smarmy nobody gives a crap stuff and talks up like he's informative when he's pulling an "Adroomi on Math" kinda garbled up vomit. Everything from militant homosexual agendas to global warming. Non-issues that guys named Chad and Bruce talk about over their iced coffee latte grandes. Never going to change a mind or shed a scintilla of thought...hell, the guy has had to undergo several name changes because he's been banned...only a matter of time before he goes off the deep end again and we'll have to plod with posts from Victor909 or whatever!




Yezzir, I expected as much, LOL.

I still write and many other things left-handed, but I throw and bat righty, as my 10 year older than I brother bought me a right handed glove, when I would take it off and throw the ball back with my left hand, he would nail me with a football, .........change your ways quick, I can do most things with either hand.

As fer Vic, I was having fun provoking, then it got boring, and yes, I'm quite aware of his history/tendencies,

but I would still meet up and share stories, and cigars if I were ever in his area, I'm an equal opportunity maniac, hehe
teedubbya Offline
#45 Posted: Wed, Nov 7 2012, 6:08 PM EST
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Numismaniac wrote:
I can do most things with either hand.


congratulations. sometimes I use both hands
Brewha Offline
#46 Posted: Wed, Nov 7 2012, 9:00 PM EST
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Ah, what is the sound of one hand clapping?




No – don’t answer that . . . . .
pdxstogieman Offline
#47 Posted: Wed, Nov 7 2012, 9:55 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
It's a travesty of a mockery of a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham.


That sounds suspiciously like an OUTRAGE.
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#48 Posted: Thu, Nov 8 2012, 9:34 AM EST
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Numismaniac wrote:

As fer Vic, I was having fun provoking, then it got boring, and yes, I'm quite aware of his history/tendencies,

but I would still meet up and share stories, and cigars if I were ever in his area, I'm an equal opportunity maniac, hehe

Don't sound so butt-hurt.

On the other hand, it's good to see that DMV is still thinking about me. What a cute little roly poly troll he makes.
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#49 Posted: Thu, Nov 8 2012, 10:17 AM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Don't sound so butt-hurt.

On the other hand, it's good to see that DMV is still thinking about me. What a cute little roly poly troll he makes.




Thinking OF you? Hardly. I derive much laughter at the stuff you post. You do an average 3rd grade assignment and make sure to sop it up with your tears for us to see. Thanks! There's forums all over the world that try the touchy feely sobby stuff, PLEASE don't go off the deep end and get banned from here again!

Anytime I feel like I need some humor I click on one of your threads!

Thanks!
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#50 Posted: Thu, Nov 8 2012, 12:32 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
congratulations. sometimes I use both hands




Thanks TW, I can always count on you lending some levity to the situation, hehe.
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