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Owedumba hasn't confirmed al-Qaeda as a friend on Facebook yet...otherwise he would've seen them take credit for the ATTACK!

He's one bad mutha...watch yer mouth...sorry baybee...we's only talking 'bout Owedumba!

I don't believe this is "not important". Those are your words. What I said is this "not unimportant". The opposite of what you wrote. This is not an issue that deserves so much attention **right now** for our country- its time is coming, but it just is not "ripe" yet. And, I agree this would be all over the news no matter who the President is.

But, I believe we should wait until official, verifiable versions or at least public sworn testimony is available, before rushing to judgement. Granted, the situation doesn't look good at all, but Petraeus didn't even testify under oath yet. What others repeated about his testimony is rank hearsay. Hell, those who were in the same room as him can't even agree on what Petraeus told them! The ball is already rolling. Let's just see over the next month or two what Executive, Military and Intelligence information can be verified and is made public. Let's get some sworn testimony we can listen to and watch for ourselves, before we jump to "dug in" conclusions.

I don't deny that something went very wrong and that there may be a cover-up as to the events and the talking points. Crap, I will even grant you that the conjecture might ultimately prove to be 100% right! But, we truly don't know that right now- and it still nothing but rank conjecture.

McCain, Graham and even some D's have spoken out that this has the potential to uncover some major wrongful behavior, for lack of a better word. It should not be a partisan issue. But, one thing experience should have already taught us all, is that of us that none of this will be resolved in a week, let alone a month or two. Notwithstanding this, I still think M and G are publicly behaving like unbecoming, little children, and clearly, Graham has already reached some conclusions unsupported by the info presently made public, if available.

Well, if the world doesn't end as the Mayans predicted, I say 6-9 months- unless the Middle East goes berserk, which I think it will. BTW, did you know that Executive Privilege was unanimously (?) "legislated from the bench" by SCOTUS? It's origin is probably in the commoon law...

Of course.

How long did White Water go on including its morph into Lewinsky? How about Scooter Libby on behalf of Chaney? Remember that one where Scooter took the hit? Did Bush ever commute or pardon him?

I never knew she was a dairy farmer. Thanks Drafter.

I think she did some farming back in da 60s but it wasn't cows....

If you care........

BREAKING NEWS – Real reason for Benghazi cover up – Executive Order 13491

BY ADMIN, ON NOVEMBER 16TH, 2012

Thanks to one of my brilliant show listeners John Meyer, (former Vet and man who worked for 15 years with classified programs) the real reason for all the cover up and endless disinformation about Benghazi is worse than anything being exposed so far. Today I interviewed Meyer in depth on the phone and on my national radio show www.therothshow.com about his findings. He tied what most of us wouldn’t even have tracked or been aware of. He verified and sent me the actual copy of Executive order 13491, which was signed into law by Obama on Jan 22, 2009. Sec 4 states, ‘all such CIA operations were to cease operation under penalty of the E.O. Yet, 2 years later it was still in operation, with the knowledge of the CIA director, the Sec of State, the Sec of defense, Dr. of the FBI, and all Military commanders sending prisoners to the facility in Benghazi. Verbiage from EO

Sec. 4

Prohibition of Certain Detention Facilities and Red Cross Access to Detained Individuals.

(a)

CIA Detention. The CIA shall close as expeditiously as possible any detention facilities that currently operates and shall not operate any such detention facility in the future.”

What do we know so far from the evidence and testimony in the hearings? We know that Al Kae Da attacked the embassy and in a 7-9 hour attack murdered our Ambassador and his aids. Sources have tracked a potential cover up due to guns behind shipped to rebels in Syria from the ‘missing’ guns in Libya during the war phase. Many have thought Obama was keeping things low profile because of the shipping of all the weapons. Others thought that since it was Al Kae Da who attacked, Obama didn’t want the country to know they were still a huge danger and threat…oh yeah, and that he didn’t wipe them all out. Whalid Shoebat even revealed on my show that an Al Kae Da member had actually been hired to guard the embassy compound up until late 2012. Yeah…that would definitely be something Obama wouldn’t want us to know. The huge, glaring reason was and is —Executive Order 13491. This makes President Obama, the CIA director, Sec. Of State, The Sec. Of defense, Dr. of the FBI and all Military commanders sending prisoners to the facility in Benghazi, criminals. According to Meyer, who worked in classified programs and under executive orders, disobeying and executive order is a serious federal offense.

Lt. Col. Paula Broadwell is implicated in the affair with General Petraus and spoke to her Alma mater revealing knowledge of executive order 13491 I listed above. That in itself was not a revelation of anything classified. Then, what she revealed was the big question. She said to the crowd that 3 prisoners held there at the CIA detention center by the embassy compound had been turned over to the Libyan Government. How did she know that? That was classified. Meyer says that indeed the real reason for the attack was because Al Kae Da wanted to liberate the 3 prisoners who were being held at the CIA compound there indefinitely. Meyer pointed out that during the early hours of the firefight, shooting was aimed high and mortars were not used. That is because at first, they wanted to make sure they didn’t kill the prisoners they were trying to rescue but wanted to kill the guards and those on the roof. They later they found out they had been turned over to the Libyan Government already so they then fired mortars and sought to destroy the Ambassador and whole place.

Do you get it and understand the REAL magnitude of this cover up. According to Obama’s own executive order 13491 this was an illegal facility holding prisoners at the embassy compound. It was ordered to be shut down back Jan 22, 2009 and all listed above who knew about this have committed a major, federal offense.

So, here's how I generally see it: There are three potential classifications of U. S. citizens on this one: 1) Pro-Obama supporters who believe Obama is God and pray to him as such; 2) Those who instead truly know what is really going on with one or more cover-ups because they have proof of the conspiracy that no one else has or are able to "put the pieces together" in ways no one else can conceive of; and 3) Those who generally don't give a crap because a U.S. CIA outpost- posing as an extension of the Embassy in a very dangerous part of the world- was attacked and a few Americans were killed. Did I summarize it right?

Of course I realize that. Otherwise, I wouldn't have directly replied the way I did!

Now, just in case the "Obama is God" thing **might** be right, I plan to "double down" at shul this morning. On my way out the door right now!

Now, if the bet were available, I'd put my money down on the third group of people being the pluraility (once tit was proven that Obama took part in a conspiracy to wrongfully cover-up). That will take at least another 1.5 to 2 years to prove, if ever...

Bingo. But like bad chili, it too shall pass.
Best to put this Benghazi thing behind. Nothing will be done about the scandalous behavior & if we get to the bottom of it, so what? Gigantic waste of time considering the bigger problems ahead.
Just another Flavor of the Month topic...

Not a bad seat in the house. While we do have black families who belong to our congregation, Obama wasn't there. n the other hand Jack Lew, Obama's chief of staff soon to be Treasury when Geithner leaves, was there a few weeks back on a week-night.

Daughter's friend's sister's BM. We were, unfortunately, all invited. Noah and I cut out a little early so I could go buy an electric blanket- highlight of my weekend- unless the party tonigh is fun, which my experience tells me there is only a 10% chance of.

Probably go inseperate cars...

I have no hidden agenda, this is not a set up question...but who do folks here think really had the last "prepared administration", and would it have been prepared for the kind of battles being fought in this century?

Just been thinking about how different Viet Nam was from previous experinces, and we really had not been trained for what we found there...now it's about those we perceive as crazies waging holy war through terrorism and unfamiliar terrain.

So far it's been three terms, 2 administrations, and the learning curve takes x amount of time, then the accumulation of resources takes time...clearly I'm no military stud, but when was the last time we were truly ready?

Frank

Very likely indeed, sad to say. And I am not defending nor am I attacking recent administrations, at least not in this post. But I am willing to wait longer than others apparently, I also do not expect that those in charge of our foreign affairs and or defense should be announcing all of our intelligence to the world. As you say, surprise is your friend in battle...

I am unable to argue against your position, much as I wish I could.

David,
You know I respect you and I want to know the answers myself. No side owns ass covering. I'm just trying to be patient.

When one despises a group, it's so easy to immediately believe the worst. And I'm OK with that, for other people. But I need to make sure that, at least for me, I'm not hoping and praying for the worst just to make my side look cleaner. The worst is bad for all Americans regardless of who is in the White House. But I never wished for total failure on the part of administrations with whom I had differences. I expected failure but hoped for success.

I only hope there is an explanation and that national security explains it. But I will not defend the indefensible.

And I do not, nor do I know anyone who does, own a pair of knee pads. Well, maybe one guy but he lays carpet for a living.

So they didn't get to you..???

If they did you better be prepared to cut that cheese and give me half....

Bloody's been trying to get under da cone.... you think hes gonna nark us out in exchange..??

I heard he's willing to do 'anything'.... just so ya know....

Yeah these two clowns were out whoring a lie to avoid an election "bump in the road".........


Gimme a fuggin break.

Any idiot could have figured out that there was no real anti muslim video out there causing riots by just googling a bit.
Someone told Rice to go out & repeat nonsensical talking points which she gladly did for almost a week even after the silliness became obvious. She's obviously an apparatchik for the administration. Hillary deserved an academy award for her performances as well. Obama... let's just say he wasn't as smooth.

Use of rocket propelled grenades on 9/11 might have been a clue that this was preplanned and not the utter nonsense parroted about a "vile video" which could only have been previewed (short version) at the time anyway and was rather comical IMHO.

Folks, Z is obviously referring to a poster who once demanded "proof" at my assertion that Katie Couric was far to the left as he scrunched his brow in disapproval & poo-pooed my notion. He is now demanding proof about Rice disseminating false info on purpose... He's making a mockery of dis heah courtroom.

(sorry for the threadjack & goonite Mrs. Calabash wherever you are)

Yeah, and your reply was a load off-topic "huh-muh-nah huh-muh-nah huh-muh-nah" crap. Next time there is a lynching, I suspect you will be amongst the very first there who doesn't even know why the lynching is going down. And, "because the lynchers said so"- won't be a legitimate answer.

Poor Ms Rice.

She qualified but is clueless as to the truth. Not asking questions is great for partisans though.

I hear if you think she's a useful idiot you're racist.

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