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Poll Question : Impeach Obama Or Sumpin??
Choice Votes Statistics
Yes 6 33 %
YES 4 22 %
HEMP 8 44 %
Total 18 100%

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Can We Just Move On Past The Election To maybye Impeach Obama or Sumpin ??
jackconrad Offline
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???
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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JACK!

HAVE YOU LOST YOUR MIND.


please note the lack of a question mark
ZRX1200 Offline
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POT N KETTLE OUTRAGE!
DrafterX Offline
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define 'or sumpin'..... Mellow
DrMaddVibe Offline
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MUTHA*****UINHEMP!












































RICKAMAVEN Offline
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DrMaddVibe

WE DO AGREE ON OCCASSION, BUT NOT THIS TIME.
edin508 Offline
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
MUTHA*****UINHEMP!

Yes

































bloody spaniard Offline
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I'll take $400 for Give Me a a Clue, Alex. Brick wall


Ok, ok, I get it. Jack likes hemp more than he dislikes Obama.Blink
DrMaddVibe Offline
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RICKAMAVEN wrote:
DrMaddVibe

WE DO AGREE ON OCCASSION, BUT NOT THIS TIME.



Can't win 'em all!Angel
ZRX1200 Offline
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NO!
tailgater Offline
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....what was the question again?....




DrafterX Offline
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tailgater wrote:
....what was the question again?....







somethin about Obama being gay.... Mellow
tailgater Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
somethin about Obama being gay.... Mellow


Broke Back Barry???!!!!


dubleuhb Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
somethin about Obama being gay.... Mellow

Well he is a flaming lib afterall, would make sense.
jackconrad Offline
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RICKAMAVEN wrote:
JACK!

HAVE YOU LOST YOUR MIND.


please note the lack of a question mark



Why actually no i have not lost my mind because it is still free which is more than i can say for all the cowards who have given up to the Dictator Obama and his Lackey ENforcer CZARS and SPOKESLIPS..
bloody spaniard Offline
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I wasn't ready to toss him out just yet, so I voted for the other yes.Not talking
jackconrad Offline
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YOU SO FUNNY ! ^^

But really He killed an Ambassador and some fine Patriots

HE has destroyed our Worldwide Authority and peacekeeping capabilities

ILLEGALLY passed National Healthcare which as everyone is starting to realize is going to devistate our lives

And in the Process has turned this into Socialist Dictatorship

He is nown the process of rounding up the the people who were against him

He is in the process to destroy those wealthy People who don't kiss his butt

WE ARE NOW RUSSIA


HE deserves no Chances or respect
CelticBomber Offline
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jackconrad wrote:
YOU SO FUNNY ! ^^

But really He killed an Ambassador and some fine Patriots

HE has destroyed our Worldwide Authority and peacekeeping capabilities

ILLEGALLY passed National Healthcare which as everyone is starting to realize is going to devistate our lives

And in the Process has turned this into Socialist Dictatorship

He is nown the process of rounding up the the people who were against him

He is in the process to destroy those wealthy People who don't kiss his butt

WE ARE NOW RUSSIA


HE deserves no Chances or respect



This is sarcasm right?
ZRX1200 Offline
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Perception is such a fickle beast.
HockeyDad Offline
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Jack hears a train and thinks it is T-72s driving down Main Street.
rfenst Offline
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CelticBomber wrote:
This is sarcasm right?


No. Jack's fairly serious.
CelticBomber Offline
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rfenst wrote:
No. Jack's fairly CRAZY.


Fixed that for ya.
ZRX1200 Offline
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ACLU: OBAMA HAS QUADRUPLED WARRANTLESS WIRETAPS



by WARNER TODD HUSTON

The ACLU released a report this week that shows that under Obama and his Attorney General Eric Holder, warrantless wiretapping and monitoring of American's electronic communications is "sharply on the rise."

After months of litigation and Freedom of Information Act requests,the ACLU obtained documents from the federal government proving that real-time monitoring of electronic communications inside the U.S. has climbed 60 percent since 2009 and far surpasses monitoring under President Bush.

The ACLU reports that the Dept. of Justice used "pen register" and "trap and trace" techniques 23,535 times in 2009 and 37,616 times in 2011.

A "pen register" captures outgoing data from a phone or email account while "trap and trace" captures incoming data.

During that same time period,the number of people whose telephones were the subject of pen register and trap and trace surveillance more than tripled. In fact, more people were subjected to pen register and trap and trace surveillance in the past two years than in the entire previous decade.

(ACLU's bold above)

"The number of authorizations the Justice Department received to use these devices on individuals' email and network data increased 361% between 2009 and 2011," the ACLU said.

It should be noted that all of this is perpetrated by the Dept. of Justice without obtaining traditional warrants.

The ACLU complained that it has been repeatedly blocked by the Obama administration when seeking disclosure. The ACLU also noted that since Obama became president his administration has repeatedly neglected deadlines required by law to release reports on the DOJ's actions.

The civil rights group charges the federal government with "frustrating democratic oversight" and obviating a basic measure of accountability by neglecting its duties to fulfill these transparency measures.

Warrantless wiretapping,when initiated by the Bush administration,was one of the left's most dear causes,but since Obama came to office -- and been proven to have tremendously increased such wiretapping -- silence has prevailed over the practice.
ZRX1200 Offline
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TRANSPARENT!
rfenst Offline
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With our ever increasing technological society, I wonder what the SCOTUS would have to say about whether one has a "reasonable expectation of privacy" during cell-phone conversation?

Obviously, if the state knows that the conversation involves a crime, then listening in w/o a warrant is not unconstitutional.

But, how is the state to know the conversation is actually illegal without listening?

i highly value the Fourth Amendment, but also believe that it must be narrowly tired to 'the times". Cell phone communication, to my knowledge, has never been addressed...
ZRX1200 Offline
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Seems like a better case to take up than gay marriage.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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ZRX1200 26

why would anyone care if two guys or girls marry the same sex.

how does that affect you personally?

did anyone ask you where you put your schlong if and when you have sex?
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Mellow
ZRX1200 Offline
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UNCLE RICK,

MARRIAGE SHOULD BE A CHURCH ISSUE, THE GOVERNMENT HAS NO BUSINESS GETTING INVOLVED IN IT. I THINK THERE SHOULD BE NO DEDUCTIONS FOR MARRIAGE OR CHILDREN AND IF THERE'S A CHURCH THAT WILL MARRY HOMOSEXUALS SO BE IT.

HERSHY PIRATES AND TACO AFICIONADOS ARE LOWER ON MY SCALE OF IMPORTANCE THAN THE 4TH AMMENDMENT. SORRY IF THAT OFFENDS YOUR SENSIBILITIES.

AND YES IT ACTUAL DOES AFFECT ME, THANKS FOR ASKING.
surfish1961 Offline
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Just a side convo about marriage. I am waiting for a same sex couple to be the first to sue a Catholic church for the "right" to marry. That's when we'll see how far the separation of Church and state reaches.

For you left wingers, marriage is not a right. It is a sacrament of the Church and the government has absolutely no business deciding who can and who can't be married in the Church.
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surfish1961 wrote:
Just a side convo about marriage. I am waiting for a same sex couple to be the first to sue a Catholic church for the "right" to marry. That's when we'll see how far the separation of Church and state reaches.

For you left wingers, marriage is not a right. It is a sacrament of the Church and the government has absolutely no business deciding who can and who can't be married in the Church.



Umm you can get married without having any church involved. I don't think churches should be forced to marry same sex couples but I see no problem with states marrying same sex couples. I personally don't understand why anyone would care. If it's against your faith that's fine but don't go trying to shove your faiths beliefs on anyone else. If people can get married by a judge at city hall, same sex couples should be able to be married the same way with ZERO religion involved. No one seemed to care when a heterosexual couple got married by a judge... there's no religion there, no sacrament. Why weren't the religious nut jobs fighting those marriages? You're free to believe what you want. But when you start trying to get your faiths beliefs made into laws it's no different than muslim's taking over countries and making Sharia Law the legal law's of the land.

Celtic
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CelticBomber wrote:
Umm you can get married without having any church involved. I don't think churches should be forced to marry same sex couples but I see no problem with states marrying same sex couples. I personally don't understand why anyone would care. If it's against your faith that's fine but don't go trying to shove your faiths beliefs on anyone else. If people can get married by a judge at city hall, same sex couples should be able to be married the same way with ZERO religion involved. No one seemed to care when a heterosexual couple got married by a judge... there's no religion there, no sacrament. Why weren't the religious nut jobs fighting those marriages? You're free to believe what you want. But when you start trying to get your faiths beliefs made into laws it's no different than muslim's taking over countries and making Sharia Law the legal law's of the land.

Celtic




Give that man a cigar!
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CelticBomber wrote:
Umm you can get married without having any church involved. I don't think churches should be forced to marry same sex couples but I see no problem with states marrying same sex couples. I personally don't understand why anyone would care. If it's against your faith that's fine but don't go trying to shove your faiths beliefs on anyone else. If people can get married by a judge at city hall, same sex couples should be able to be married the same way with ZERO religion involved. No one seemed to care when a heterosexual couple got married by a judge... there's no religion there, no sacrament. Why weren't the religious nut jobs fighting those marriages? You're free to believe what you want. But when you start trying to get your faiths beliefs made into laws it's no different than muslim's taking over countries and making Sharia Law the legal law's of the land.

Celtic


Stephen,
It that's how it actually worked out, I'd have no problem. But, anyone who thinks that churches won't be forced against their will to perform same sex marriages, once it becomes the law of the land, either by law suit or government mandate, is either naive, or not paying attention.
surfish1961 Offline
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dpnewell wrote:
Stephen,
It that's how it actually worked out, I'd have no problem. But, anyone who thinks that churches won't be forced against their will to perform same sex marriages, once it becomes the law of the land, either by law suit or government mandate, is either naive, or not paying attention.

My point exactly. That's why I mentioned the separation of Church and State.

And for those who don't know me, I'm not opposed to same sex civil unions. I just don't know why gays and lesbians are hung up on this word "marriage".
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surfish1961 wrote:
I just don't know why gays and lesbians are hung up on this word "marriage".



It's a gay-homo militant extremist thing.....there is no appeasing them.
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CelticBomber wrote:
Umm you can get married without having any church involved. I don't think churches should be forced to marry same sex couples but I see no problem with states marrying same sex couples. I personally don't understand why anyone would care. If it's against your faith that's fine but don't go trying to shove your faiths beliefs on anyone else. If people can get married by a judge at city hall, same sex couples should be able to be married the same way with ZERO religion involved. No one seemed to care when a heterosexual couple got married by a judge... there's no religion there, no sacrament. Why weren't the religious nut jobs fighting those marriages? You're free to believe what you want. But when you start trying to get your faiths beliefs made into laws it's no different than muslim's taking over countries and making Sharia Law the legal law's of the land.

Celtic

I have no problem with same sex civil unions but don't asked or file a lawsuit to be married in the Church. That's where organized religion has to draw the line.

And as far as shoving your beliefs down someone's throats, isn't the gay and lesbian communities doing that right now. (See above post for clarification as to my beliefs)
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basically the gay-homo militant extremists just want everyone to tell them what they're doing is ok so they don't have to feel guilty anymore.... Mellow
surfish1961 Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
It's a gay-homo militant extremist thing.....there is no appeasing them.

Funny thing is I think if you ask same sex couples if a civil union is OK with them as long as they have the same rights as a "married" couple, they will say yes. It's the word "marriage" that the liberal base is hung up on.
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surfish1961 wrote:
Funny thing is I think if you ask same sex couples if a civil union is OK with them as long as they have the same rights as a "married" couple, they will say yes. It's the word "marriage" that the liberal base is hung up on.


When heterosexual couples get married by a judge it's called a marriage. They even have to fill out marriage License. Why would gay couples suddenly have to call it a civil union? It's a marriage just like any straight couple would call it. I don't think it's the left caught up on the word marriage....
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CelticBomber wrote:
When heterosexual couples get married by a judge it's called a marriage. They even have to fill out marriage License. Why would gay couples suddenly have to call it a civil union? It's a marriage just like any straight couple would call it. I don't think it's the left caught up on the word marriage....


They could call it a biologically useless union.
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HockeyDad wrote:
They could call it a biologically useless union.


They could except you don't have to be married to have a child and there are plenty of married straight couples that choose not to have children. Does that invalidate their marriage?
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everybody wants to play Batman these days.... d'oh!
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CelticBomber wrote:
They could except you don't have to be married to have a child and there are plenty of married straight couples that choose not to have children. Does that invalidate their marriage?



Of course not. They have a marriage license.
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CelticBomber wrote:
When heterosexual couples get married by a judge it's called a marriage. They even have to fill out marriage License. Why would gay couples suddenly have to call it a civil union? It's a marriage just like any straight couple would call it. I don't think it's the left caught up on the word marriage....

When a couple gets "married" by a judge it is not called a marriage per se. It's called a civil ceremony and I believe it is not recognized by the Church. And a "marriage license" is not a license at all. It is a certification that the joining of two persons is contractual by the law.

Look we could talk about this stuff forever but I still stand by my ORIGINAL quote that the Church should not be forced by law to marry same sex couples, legally or otherwise.
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Think
I was married in a church to my first wife but got divorced in a court room.... does that mean I'm still married to her according to the church..?? Huh
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DrafterX wrote:
Think
I was married in a church to my first wife but got divorced in a court room.... does that mean I'm still married to her according to the church..?? Huh



If you are Catholic, there is no such thing as divorce.
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HockeyDad wrote:
If you are Catholic, there is no such thing as divorce.



it was a Seventh Day Adventist church...... I'm prolly screwed... d'oh!
HockeyDad Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
it was a Seventh Day Adventist church...... I'm prolly screwed... d'oh!



Well....I wouldn't answer any knocks at the door.
DrafterX Offline
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I doubt they're looking for me right now... if she dies owing somebody money they prolly will tho..... Mellow
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surfish1961 wrote:
When a couple gets "married" by a judge it is not called a marriage per se. It's called a civil ceremony and I believe it is not recognized by the Church. And a "marriage license" is not a license at all. It is a certification that the joining of two persons is contractual by the law.

Look we could talk about this stuff forever but I still stand by my ORIGINAL quote that the Church should not be forced by law to marry same sex couples, legally or otherwise.


I don't think any church should be forced to do anything that's against their faith either within reason. But when it comes to marriage the Churches aren't the end all be authority. If two men or two women want to stand before a judge and say they love each other and want to be married and enjoy the same benefits that heterosexual couples receive, they should be allowed to. Taxes, health benefits, the right to inherit if one partner dies, all the rights the government grants to heterosexual couples, gay couples should also receive. The Church has nothing to do with these things, these are the things our government and the legal system have set up and it's time gay couples are also afforded these rights. If the government would allow these things to happen, the getting married in a church would become a non issue mostly, you're always going to get a few azzholes that want to rock the boat no matter what. Trying to force Catholics or Baptists or whatever religion is the wrong way to go about try to get equal rights. They should have the right to say no, this thing is against what we believe in. But the government allowing gay couples the right to marry and affording those couples the same legal rights heterosexual couples enjoy is a whole different ball game. That's all I'm saying.


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