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ZRX1200 Offline
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The GOP Committee Purge: Not About Policy, But the "**** Factor"? Brian Doherty | Dec. 13, 2012 12:55 pm The GOP leadership in the House is selling a counterstory to the "brave anti-spending Republicans smacked down by craven leadership" story connected to the loss of committee assignments by four Republicans known for bucking leadership in a more small-government, small-spending direction. (They are Reps. Justin Amash (R-Mich.) and Tim Huelskamp (R-Kansas) from the House Budget Committee, Reps. David Schweikert (R-Ariz.) and Walter Jones (R-N.C.) from Financial Services Committee.) I have blogged about one of the purged, Rep. Justin Amash, fighting back publicly yesterday and last week.

The new story? It isn't that the purged were too conservative; they were just uncollegial ****. Politico's take:

In an interview with POLITICO, one member of the Steering Committee called them “the most egregious a—holes” in the House Republican Conference.

The argument: This went beyond voting records. The members who were booted made life harder for other Republicans by taking whacks at them in public for supporting the team, according to Republican sources familiar with the Steering Committee’s decision.....

Rep. Lynn Westmoreland, a conservative who is close to party leaders, told them that "the a—hole factor" came into play in the Steering decision.

“He said that it had nothing to do with their voting record, a scorecard, or their actions across the street [meaning fundraising],” Westmoreland spokeswoman Leslie Shedd told POLITICO. “It had to do with their inability to work with other members, which some people might refer to as the a—hole factor.”

Shedd said her boss didn’t intend to call anyone a name and acknowledged later to her that “perhaps he should have said obstinate factor instead and wanted me to reiterate that he did not and would not call another member of Congress an a—hole.”

Politico goes on to point out that booting from committees is a pretty nuclear option for House leadership in recent times:

these were the first members pulled off committees as punishment for political or personality reasons in nearly two decades. Even Tom DeLay, the fearsome majority leader known for hardball tactics, drew the line there.

More from Roll Call

[Rep. John] Fleming [(R-La.)] said...[it is] becoming more apparent that the members were removed for actions that constituted “friendly fire,” or directing rhetorical barbs at members of their own party.

“There have been several members to stand up and say, ‘You know, I kind of agree with leadership. You said some things that was a problem for me,’” he said. “There have been members and leadership who feel that it’s one thing to vote and even message what you feel, but don’t hurt your colleagues and don’t hurt your leadership in doing that. In other words, don’t go out and use other members who are supposed to be part of your army and make them the target of your rhetoric as well.”

This "****" explanation isn't a distinct and different one from the "we were purged for being too serious about spending." It actually compounds the problem for those who are angry at leadership for a perceived lack of seriousness on spending.

This story says that, spending aside, actually trying to be a public voice pushing the party in a better direction on spending compounds the problem and makes you more worthy of being punished. It's not that "these are unpleasant people and bad colleagues and we don't want them around"; it's that they aren't just content to vote against bad stuff and then be quiet about it.

If the leadership thinks that this explanation is going to mollify the ideal Tea Party type who seriously see themselves as dedicated to making sure the Republican Party is good on spending issues, that seems highly unlikely. Such activists want their congressional champions to not only vote right, but to pressure their colleagues to do so as well. For those likely to care at all about the purged, the **** factor is a feature, not a bug, as the kids on their computers say.

Amash and fellow purged Huelskamp talk about how they still have not had the exact reasons for their treatment explained to them, and more, on the radio with Sean Hannity. Some highlights from that: Amash says that his score on the still-mysterious scorecard used to judge and purge him by House leadership was, he was told by someone he won't name, a "zero." "Those who voted for more government were given positive scores," Amash believes. Amash says he's unhappy about the likely results of a leadership-approved tax and spending deal on the "fiscal cliff" negotations.
rfenst Offline
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30 years ago, when (I thought I wanted to be a Political Science Major in college), Neo-Cons were generally former" liberals" who had become disenchanted with the Great Society concept. They were fiscal conservatives; hawkish/pro-defense; pro-Israel; and more socially liberal- than traditional conservatives of that time..

How are "neo-cons" defined these day?
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rfenst wrote:
30 years ago, when (I thought I wanted to be a Political Science Major in college), Neo-Cons were generally former" liberals" who had become disenchanted with the Great Society concept. They were fiscal conservatives; hawkish/pro-defense; pro-Israel; and more socially liberal- than traditional conservatives of that time..

How are "neo-cons" defined these day?



They are now less fiscally conservative and less socially liberal. They do still love a good war though! I actually don't think the term "neo-con" still exists. It passed away with GW Bush's presidency.
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HockeyDad wrote:
They are now less fiscally conservative and less socially liberal. They do still love a good war though! I actually don't think the term "neo-con" still exists. It passed away with GW Bush's presidency.


But, the term is used frequently. However, those who it is applied to were not part of the scene (and possibly not even alive) when the term was coined. Would seem that most people who the label is applied to were never anything but self-described conservatives. Wrote a college paper in 1981: Neo-Conservatives: Who They Are And What They Believe. many of them are already dead.


(BTW, the best thermal underear can be bought from the snow-ski indutry. I used to wear "Hot Chillies" and they were great. Still have em, I think...)
HockeyDad Offline
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I can't recall hearing the term "neo-con" in the last 4 years.

At the current rate, we may stop hearing "republican".

We really should be using the terms "big government-big entitlement-big debt globalists" and "big government-medium entitlement-big debt globalists"
Gene363 Offline
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It would be nice to hear more about libertarians, positive things anyway.
ZRX1200 Offline
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R,

To me a Neo-Con is the "new-conservative", what the old establishment GOP is right now. They stand for staying in office but not the republican values I share with the party. They are satisfied with being a little different than the democrats in areas that keep them in good stead with the christian vote, but otherwise are the same. The house got the majority because of the movement that elected people like these that got the boot.
HockeyDad Offline
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Gene363 wrote:
It would be nice to hear more about libertarians, positive things anyway.


I think ima register as a Libertarian.
Gene363 Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
I think ima register as a Libertarian.


Uh oh I didn't see that coming!




Sarcasm
HockeyDad Offline
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Gene363 wrote:
Uh oh I didn't see that coming!




Sarcasm



It keeps the mainstream parties on edge when their registration #s drop and then they dish out more pork.
Gene363 Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
It keeps the mainstream parties on edge when their registration #s drop and then they dish out more pork.


No wonder you are always, 'under the cone' you work every angle. jester


Humm, the clapping emoticons are broken.

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nicholasjames Offline
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neo cons. us catholics got em in the church. they ain libs (thank god) but they aint traditional (to bad). its hard for me to put my finger on em.
nicholasjames Offline
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ZRX1200 wrote:
R,

To me a Neo-Con is the "new-conservative", what the old establishment GOP is right now. They stand for staying in office but not the republican values I share with the party. They are satisfied with being a little different than the democrats in areas that keep them in good stead with the christian vote, but otherwise are the same. The house got the majority because of the movement that elected people like these that got the boot.


i like that description. the "new conservative".
chemyst Offline
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#13 that describes a RINO
Republican In Name Only

My Congressional District has a RINO representative.
The SOB voted for ObamaDon'tCare! Go figure.
tailgater Offline
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chemyst wrote:
#13 that describes a RINO
Republican In Name Only

My Congressional District has a RINO representative.
The SOB voted for ObamaDon'tCare! Go figure.


My state is filled with RIKNO reps:
Ridiculouly Ignorant Know Nothing Obama-ites.


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edin508 Offline
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tailgater wrote:
My state is filled with RIKNO reps:
Ridiculouly Ignorant Know Nothing Obama-ites.


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