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God help Michael. God help us all......
DrafterX Offline
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I’m scared of my son’s blind rage

MANY children with mental problems could turn out like mass killer Adam Lanza. One American mother has sparked a huge online debate after writing about her experiences with a violent son — and pleads for help. Here is the moving essay she posted on the internet in the wake of the shooting.




FRIDAY'S horrific national tragedy—the murder of 20 children and six adults at Sandy Hook Elementary School in New Town, Connecticut—has ignited a new discussion on violence in America.

In kitchens and coffee shops across the country, we tearfully debate the many faces of violence in America: gun culture, media violence, lack of mental health services, overt and covert wars abroad, religion, politics and the way we raise our children. Liza Long, a writer based in Boise, says it’s easy to talk about guns. But it’s time to talk about mental illness.

Three days before 20 year-old Adam Lanza killed his mother, then opened fire on a classroom full of Connecticut kindergartners, my 13-year old son Michael (name changed) missed his bus because he was wearing the wrong color pants.

“I can wear these pants,” he said, his tone increasingly belligerent, the black-hole pupils of his eyes swallowing the blue irises.

“They are navy blue,” I told him. “Your school’s dress code says black or khaki pants only.”

“They told me I could wear these,” he insisted. “You’re a stupid bitch. I can wear whatever pants I want to. This is America. I have rights!”

“You can’t wear whatever pants you want to,” I said, my tone affable, reasonable. “And you definitely cannot call me a stupid bitch. You’re grounded from electronics for the rest of the day. Now get in the car, and I will take you to school.”

I live with a son who is mentally ill. I love my son. But he terrifies me.

A few weeks ago, Michael pulled a knife and threatened to kill me and then himself after I asked him to return his overdue library books. His 7 and 9 year old siblings knew the safety plan—they ran to the car and locked the doors before I even asked them to. I managed to get the knife from Michael, then methodically collected all the sharp objects in the house into a single Tupperware container that now travels with me. Through it all, he continued to scream insults at me and threaten to kill or hurt me.

That conflict ended with three burly police officers and a paramedic wrestling my son onto a gurney for an expensive ambulance ride to the local emergency room. The mental hospital didn’t have any beds that day, and Michael calmed down nicely in the ER, so they sent us home with a prescription for Zyprexa and a follow-up visit with a local pediatric psychiatrist.

We still don’t know what’s wrong with Michael. Autism spectrum, ADHD, Oppositional Defiant or Intermittent Explosive Disorder have all been tossed around at various meetings with probation officers and social workers and counselors and teachers and school administrators. He’s been on a slew of antipsychotic and mood altering pharmaceuticals, a Russian novel of behavioral plans. Nothing seems to work.

At the start of seventh grade, Michael was accepted to an accelerated program for highly gifted math and science students. His IQ is off the charts. When he’s in a good mood, he will gladly bend your ear on subjects ranging from Greek mythology to the differences between Einsteinian and Newtonian physics to Doctor Who. He’s in a good mood most of the time. But when he’s not, watch out. And it’s impossible to predict what will set him off.

Several weeks into his new junior high school, Michael began exhibiting increasingly odd and threatening behaviors at school. We decided to transfer him to the district’s most restrictive behavioral program, a contained school environment where children who can’t function in normal classrooms can access their right to free public babysitting from 7:30-1:50 Monday through Friday until they turn 18.

The morning of the pants incident, Michael continued to argue with me on the drive. He would occasionally apologize and seem remorseful. Right before we turned into his school parking lot, he said, “Look, Mom, I’m really sorry. Can I have video games back today?”

“No way,” I told him. “You cannot act the way you acted this morning and think you can get your electronic privileges back that quickly.”

His face turned cold, and his eyes were full of calculated rage. “Then I’m going to kill myself,” he said. “I’m going to jump out of this car right now and kill myself.”

That was it. After the knife incident, I told him that if he ever said those words again, I would take him straight to the mental hospital, no ifs, ands, or buts. I did not respond, except to pull the car into the opposite lane, turning left instead of right.

“Where are you taking me?” he said, suddenly worried. “Where are we going?”

“You know where we are going,” I replied.

“No! You can’t do that to me! You’re sending me to hell! You’re sending me straight to hell!”

I pulled up in front of the hospital, frantically waiving for one of the clinicians who happened to be standing outside. “Call the police,” I said. “Hurry.”

Michael was in a full-blown fit by then, screaming and hitting. I hugged him close so he couldn’t escape from the car. He bit me several times and repeatedly jabbed his elbows into my rib cage. I’m still stronger than he is, but I won’t be for much longer.

The police came quickly and carried my son screaming and kicking into the bowels of the hospital. I started to shake, and tears filled my eyes as I filled out the paperwork—“Were there any difficulties with¿ at what age did your child¿ were there any problems with.. has your child ever experienced.. does your child have¿”

At least we have health insurance now. I recently accepted a position with a local college, giving up my freelance career because when you have a kid like this, you need benefits. You’ll do anything for benefits. No individual insurance plan will cover this kind of thing.

For days, my son insisted that I was lying—that I made the whole thing up so that I could get rid of him. The first day, when I called to check up on him, he said, “I hate you. And I’m going to get my revenge as soon as I get out of here.”

By day three, he was my calm, sweet boy again, all apologies and promises to get better. I’ve heard those promises for years. I don’t believe them anymore.

On the intake form, under the question, “What are your expectations for treatment?” I wrote, “I need help.”

And I do. This problem is too big for me to handle on my own. Sometimes there are no good options. So you just pray for grace and trust that in hindsight, it will all make sense.

I am sharing this story because I am Adam Lanza’s mother. I am Dylan Klebold’s and Eric Harris’s mother. I am James Holmes’s mother. I am Jared Loughner’s mother. I am Seung-Hui Cho’s mother. And these boys—and their mothers—need help. In the wake of another horrific national tragedy, it’s easy to talk about guns. But it’s time to talk about mental illness.

According to Mother Jones, since 1982, 61 mass murders involving firearms have occurred throughout the country. Of these, 43 of the killers were white males, and only one was a woman. Mother Jones focused on whether the killers obtained their guns legally (most did). But this highly visible sign of mental illness should lead us to consider how many people in the U.S. live in fear, like I do.

When I asked my son’s social worker about my options, he said that the only thing I could do was to get Michael charged with a crime. “If he’s back in the system, they’ll create a paper trail,” he said. “That’s the only way you’re ever going to get anything done. No one will pay attention to you unless you’ve got charges.”

I don’t believe my son belongs in jail. The chaotic environment exacerbates Michael’s sensitivity to sensory stimuli and doesn’t deal with the underlying pathology. But it seems like the United States is using prison as the solution of choice for mentally ill people. According to Human Rights Watch, the number of mentally ill inmates in U.S. prisons quadrupled from 2000 to 2006, and it continues to rise—in fact, the rate of inmate mental illness is five times greater (56 percent) than in the non-incarcerated population.

With state-run treatment centers and hospitals shuttered, prison is now the last resort for the mentally ill—Rikers Island, the LA County Jail and Cook County Jail in Illinois housed the nation’s largest treatment centers in 2011.

No one wants to send a 13-year old genius who loves Harry Potter and his snuggle animal collection to jail. But our society, with its stigma on mental illness and its broken healthcare system, does not provide us with other options. Then another tortured soul shoots up a fast food restaurant. A mall. A kindergarten classroom. And we wring our hands and say, “Something must be done.”

I agree that something must be done. It’s time for a meaningful, nation-wide conversation about mental health. That’s the only way our nation can ever truly heal.

God help me. God help Michael. God help us all.






damn..... Sad
Gene363 Offline
#2 Posted:
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Amen! It the root cause for all these shooting that no one want to talk about.

" Should More Mentally Ill People Be Institutionalized?

Once upon a time there were places known as insane asylums. These were not pleasant places, by and large, but they were places where the “insane” (or mentally ill, as we now say) could live and receive some level of support. Insane asylums made a lot of sense because we didn’t have a lot of treatment to offer those who were too “insane” to live in the general population.

Fast-forward to the 1960s. By this time we understood mental illness a lot better and had developed antipsychotics and lithium that effectively treated many of the types of “insanity” that would have previously forced institutionalization. A movement of de-institutionalization spread wherein mental health services were moved into the community for people to access while living with the general population.

And while this sounds like a good and humane idea; I’m pretty sure we’ve gone too far with it."

Ref: http://natashatracy.com/treatment-issues/mentally-ill-people-institutionalized/
jpotts Offline
#3 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:

Three days before 20 year-old Adam Lanza killed his mother, then opened fire on a classroom full of Connecticut kindergartners, my 13-year old son Michael (name changed) missed his bus because he was wearing the wrong color pants.

“I can wear these pants,” he said, his tone increasingly belligerent, the black-hole pupils of his eyes swallowing the blue irises.

“They are navy blue,” I told him. “Your school’s dress code says black or khaki pants only.”

“They told me I could wear these,” he insisted. “You’re a stupid bitch. I can wear whatever pants I want to. This is America. I have rights!”

“You can’t wear whatever pants you want to,” I said, my tone affable, reasonable. “And you definitely cannot call me a stupid bitch. You’re grounded from electronics for the rest of the day. Now get in the car, and I will take you to school.”

I live with a son who is mentally ill. I love my son. But he terrifies me.


I'm sorry, but Navy Blue is about as close to black as you can get in the blue color spectrum. He seems cojient enough to know this, and well as being aware anouhg to know that this is America and he has the right to wear navy blue pants if he so desires.

It is coming to the point where we classify everything as a mental illness. This kid seems very aware of things.

The kid probably need a strong male influence that teaches both discipline, and provides guidance - and there are a lot of boys who *need* that kind of guiding force in their lives. Women, sometimes, cannot step into that role. Unfortunately, in a world where men are often considered an afterthought in most families, or where the family unite can dissolve over the "needs" of the parents, the male/ female infliences are lacking.

They also need people like grandfathers, and uncles - people that they can look up to.

And yeah, sending him to an institution is like sending him to Hell. You think he's going to get what he needs there? Has it helped thus far? Doesn't look like it to me...

Plus, his reaction was that she was doing all of this to be rid of him. You want a little nugget to take away from this tale? It's right there in that statement. This kid feels abandoned, and neglected.

The problem is that this kid needed guidence a long time ago. I don't read about a father in the picture (the mothing is making all of the decisions), so I'm assuming that this kid has next to no male influence in his life.
DrafterX Offline
#4 Posted:
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true... true...
I wondered about the dad too..... then I also wondered why the social worker was telling her the kid needed to comit a crime... does a paper trail or in the system mean being put away somewhere..?? the Mom may be at fault in some ways but what's done is done and she has two younger kids to think about now.... I dunno man... I don't see any easy solutions.... Mellow
rfenst Offline
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jpotts wrote:
I'm sorry, but Navy Blue is about as close to black as you can get in the blue color spectrum. He seems cojient enough to know this, and well as being aware anouhg to know that this is America and he has the right to wear navy blue pants if he so desires.

It is coming to the point where we classify everything as a mental illness. This kid seems very aware of things.

The kid probably need a strong male influence that teaches both discipline, and provides guidance - and there are a lot of boys who *need* that kind of guiding force in their lives. Women, sometimes, cannot step into that role. Unfortunately, in a world where men are often considered an afterthought in most families, or where the family unite can dissolve over the "needs" of the parents, the male/ female infliences are lacking.

They also need people like grandfathers, and uncles - people that they can look up to.

And yeah, sending him to an institution is like sending him to Hell. You think he's going to get what he needs there? Has it helped thus far? Doesn't look like it to me...

Plus, his reaction was that she was doing all of this to be rid of him. You want a little nugget to take away from this tale? It's right there in that statement. This kid feels abandoned, and neglected.

The problem is that this kid needed guidance a long time ago. I don't read about a father in the picture (the mothing is making all of the decisions), so I'm assuming that this kid has next to no male influence in his life.


Knowing the difference between colors; being a genious and great school grades have absolutely nothing to with any of this. They are not measures of mental competence. Having a male role model is not the answer either. And, your suggestion that a single mother can't be a guiding force in a child's life is laughable. The fact that the kid may "feel" abandoned and neglected doesn't matter to me either, even if true.

Bottom line is that he is a dangerous threat to others and does not belong in general society until he is reasonably believed to be safe. Jail doesn't seem right because it serves nothing other than keeping him off the street. Institutionalizing him isn't ideal either, but it is the best we have to offer and will keep him away from the rest of us. Hopefully, he will get some meaningful help. Nothing, IMO will ever "fix" this kid and I feel bad for him and his family, but I am exponentiallymuch more concerned with the greater good.
DrafterX Offline
#6 Posted:
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that's the hard part Robert, the kid doesn't freak out everyday... if he gets put away he'll be pissed everyday... there may not be a solution other than drugs.... it's finding the right one that is the challenge..... Mellow
Gene363 Offline
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rfenst wrote:
... but I am exponentiallymuch more concerned with the greater good.


My feelings as well which is why for the greater good of society we need to have more control up to and including institutionalization to protect the general public.
rfenst Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
that's the hard part Robert, the kid doesn't freak out everyday... if he gets put away he'll be pissed everyday... there may not be a solution other than drugs.... it's finding the right one that is the challenge..... Mellow


So be it. If he has to spend the rest of his life there to keep others safe, then I have no problem with it. Think about John Hinkly...
Gene363 Offline
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rfenst wrote:
So be it. If he has to spend the rest of his life there to keep others safe, then I have no problem with it. Think about John Hinkly...


Thank you!
jojoc Offline
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rfenst wrote:
So be it. If he has to spend the rest of his life there to keep others safe, then I have no problem with it. Think about John Hinkly...



these are hard issues and questions, with no easy answers.

locking up a child is no answer. Where do you draw the line? Assuming the article is ligit, the mother makes a very valid point about the lack of help and support for mental conditions.

Would good male involvement in his life help. Most likely to some degree, but it seems that there is a disconnect. However, with proper intervention and theropy there is hope.


As a father of a child who battles with some attachment disorders and sensory disorders, there are ways to help a child re-wire there mental processing. However, it takes time and love and time and interaction and time and .........




DrafterX Offline
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rfenst wrote:
So be it. If he has to spend the rest of his life there to keep others safe, then I have no problem with it. Think about John Hinkly...



I'm not sure that's an option yet for this kid... until he hurts someone anyway.., that being the case where do we draw the line? Who decides..?? Huh
rfenst Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
I'm not sure that's an option yet for this kid... until he hurts someone anyway.., that being the case where do we draw the line? Who decides..?? Huh



The mere fact that his family has defensive SOP for his siblings when he loses it is enough for me. We don't need to wait until someone is hurt until prevention is instituted.
DrafterX Offline
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That conflict ended with three burly police officers and a paramedic wrestling my son onto a gurney for an expensive ambulance ride to the local emergency room. The mental hospital didn’t have any beds that day, and Michael calmed down nicely in the ER, so they sent us home with a prescription for Zyprexa and a follow-up visit with a local pediatric psychiatrist.





Doesn't sound like there's room at the inn.... Mellow
cacman Offline
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If you think mental illness treatment will get any better under Obamacare, you're dreaming!!! It will only get worse than it is now because some pencil-pushing pinhead in Washington is going to decide what's good for you. Getting serious treatment now is close to impossible for some.
Mental illness is not taken as seriously as it should be in the US. And the commercials and media exploit/degrade it further. Feeling a little down, take this pill and all will be better. Phffft!!! Talk about advocating drug-abuse instead of treatment!?!?! Psychotic drugs are only a small part of the treatment and often only mask or subdue the real symptoms.
Throwing folks that suffer from these illnesses into institutions or jails only reeks of how we treated these illnesses years ago with places like sanitariums. And who's going to foot that bill?

You can not apply rational thought to understand an irrational action.
4 more dead in CO this morning - murder/suicide.
DrafterX Offline
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Jimmy and I are brothers.
We went down different paths.
Jimmy always listened to my mother,
And me, I never like to take a bath.

As we grew and tumbled through adulthood
The pressure caused emotional drain.
So now I'm slowly dying in the bottle
and Jimmy has to live with half a brain.

Yes, me, I've got a bottle in front of me,
And Jimmy has a frontal lobotomy.
Just different ways to kill the pain the same.

But I'd rather have a bottle in front of me,
Than have to have a frontal lobotomy.
I might be drunk, but at least I'm not insane.

Jimmy let his troubles drive him crazy.
He never tried to drown it in a drink.
I know that drinking makes my thinking hazy,
But at least I still have brains enough to think.

Jimmy's got a brain that isn't stable.
He doesn't have the sense to say his name.
I'm sorry that his doctor was unable
To remove the proper portion of his brain.

Yes, me, I've got a bottle in front of me,
And Jimmy has a frontal lobotomy.
Just different ways to kill the pain the same.

But I'd rather have a bottle in front of me,
Than have to have a frontal lobotomy.
I might be drunk, but at least I'm not insane.

Funny how the world works.
People can be real jerks.
Some prefer the tension over booze.

Either way it ends the same.
Hard to beat the living game.
Might as well enjoy it while you lose.

When I need a drink, I start to shiver
And Jimmy always viewed it with concern.
But I'd rather have cirrhosis of the liver
Than an intellect that's second to a fern.

I wonder if old Jimmy's gonna hear it
When I tell him that his logic wasn't sound.
They'll dose him up on lots of evil spirits
When they take him to the psychiatric grounds.

Yes, me, I've got a bottle in front of me,
And Jimmy has a frontal lobotomy.
Just different ways to kill the pain the same.

But I'd rather have a bottle in front of me,
Than have to have a frontal lobotomy.
I might be drunk, but at least I'm not insane.
I might be drunk, but at least I'm not insane!

Whistle Whistle
DrafterX Offline
#16 Posted:
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Mellow
dkeage Offline
#17 Posted:
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^^ Jimmy? is that you?????????
DrafterX Offline
#18 Posted:
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Think
DrMaddVibe Offline
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGRD6JBnHrU


horse
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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Gene363

lincoln freed the slaves.

reagan closed the homes for the
mentally ill and threw them out in
the street. they were the start of
the homeless that we now have.
HockeyDad Offline
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RICKAMAVEN wrote:
Gene363

lincoln freed the slaves.

reagan closed the homes for the
menhtally ill and threw them out in
the street. they were the start of
the homeless that we now have.



Thomas Jefferson cut down the apple tree.

We need to stop homeless from breeding and creating more homeless.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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before i forget, how many americans died in iraq, 3000. 4000.

i told everyone that george was a serial killer but no one listened.

and now obama is screwing around in afganistan, stiil the usa kills
it's young and for what.

a curropt government in that sh*t hole and some of the savages we
trained to take our place protecting the civilians are killing us.


close gitmo and bring the troops home starting tomorrow.

do you want to personally know the last person to be killed
in afganistan?
ZRX1200 Offline
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We should send them to Mexico as a thank you.
dpnewell Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
Thomas Jefferson cut down the apple tree.

We need to stop homeless from breeding and creating more homeless.


If we stupid conservatives hadn't fought Planned Parenthood's orginal agenda, they would have stopped the breeding of the homeless and other "undesirables" by now. (That entire statement is meant as tongue in cheek sarcasm for those who are irony challenged)
DrafterX Offline
#25 Posted:
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RICKAMAVEN wrote:
before i forget, how many americans died in iraq, 3000. 4000.

i told everyone that george was a serial killer but no one listened.
?



If only we had large red menacing letters back then..... Sad
Brewha Offline
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I thought Reagan got rid of the insane asylums because we didn't need them . . . .
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#27 Posted:
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25. Author: DrafterX

i'm sorry you feel threatened by large red letters. the red against the white is far easier for me to see especially when
i seach to read my words of wisdom when i go back to read them again in order to respond to you all.

i have 6 prisms in each lens to overcome obtuse double vision, which explains why until i got my new glasses because
i may not be handling the correct one when i **** i had 4 to choose from.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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26. Author: Brewha

he knew about his alzeihmers before we did and wanted to stay on his ranch, where ever it was
and he knew he had done some bad things with, eventually convicted felon, "olli" north.

he was protecting one of himselves from being placed in a nut house, er, a home for the elderly
with memory problems
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