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Abe Lincoln said this.....
surfish1961 Offline
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"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing Government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it."

We'll see a constitutional convention first.
DrafterX Offline
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Think
I don't think it would be just Us against Them if it came down to it..... it would be Us against Them and the people protecting da welfare and free stuff..... Mellow

which would prolly lead to the distribution of Obamaguns and Obama 30 round mags..... Mellow
jetblasted Offline
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surfish1961 wrote:
"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing Government, they can exercise their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it."


Obama just bought a 1.7 billion bullets . . .
Brewha Offline
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The idea of the OP is quaint. But even then it was more metaphor than fact. Today, the citizens can't even control their own currency - the private owners of the Fed control it, and I fear their control and ownership of us is much deeper than most would believe.

The 'rights' we have are both fleeting and fragile.
nicholasjames Offline
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jetblasted wrote:
Obama just bought a 1.7 billion bullets . . .


yes he did. and local law enforcement agencies are training to handle "hostile" people.
nicholasjames Offline
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Brewha wrote:
The idea of the OP is quaint. But even then it was more metaphor than fact. Today, the citizens can't even control their own currency - the private owners of the Fed control it, and I fear their control and ownership of us is much deeper than most would believe.

The 'rights' we have are both fleeting and fragile.


i can agree w/that.
TMCTLT Offline
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nicholasjames wrote:
yes he did. and local law enforcement agencies are training to handle "hostile" people.




I thought they already recieved this kind of training.....Whistle
Brewha Offline
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"Look me up at my Gettysburg adress"

- Abraham Lincoln
bloody spaniard Offline
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Brewha wrote:
The idea of the OP is quaint. But even then it was more metaphor than fact. Today, the citizens can't even control their own currency - the private owners of the Fed control it, and I fear their control and ownership of us is much deeper than most would believe.
The 'rights' we have are both fleeting and fragile.



Applause Applause

"Rights" are a feel good illusion. Shame it's come to this realization but I think we suspected all along.
bloody spaniard Offline
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That's one thing about us 'Mericans, we do love us some feel good speechies.Sarcasm
Brewha Offline
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Hate to say it but IMO they did not abolish slavery - they industrialized it.
rfenst Offline
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[quote=Brewha]The idea of the OP is quaint. But even then it was more metaphor than fact. Today, the citizens can't even control their own currency - the private owners of the Fed control it, and I fear their control and ownership of us is much deeper than most would believe.

[quote]

I don't disagree:

"Who owns the Federal Reserve?

The Federal Reserve System fulfills its public mission as an independent entity within government. It is not "owned" by anyone and is not a private, profit-making institution.

As the nation's central bank, the Federal Reserve derives its authority from the Congress of the United States. It is considered an independent central bank because its monetary policy decisions do not have to be approved by the President or anyone else in the executive or legislative branches of government, it does not receive funding appropriated by the Congress, and the terms of the members of the Board of Governors span multiple presidential and congressional terms.

However, the Federal Reserve is subject to oversight by the Congress, which often reviews the Federal Reserve's activities and can alter its responsibilities by statute. Therefore, the Federal Reserve can be more accurately described as "independent within the government" rather than "independent of government."

The 12 regional Federal Reserve Banks, which were established by the Congress as the operating arms of the nation's central banking system, are organized similarly to private corporations--possibly leading to some confusion about "ownership." For example, the Reserve Banks issue shares of stock to member banks. However, owning Reserve Bank stock is quite different from owning stock in a private company. The Reserve Banks are not operated for profit, and ownership of a certain amount of stock is, by law, a condition of membership in the System. The stock may not be sold, traded, or pledged as security for a loan; dividends are, by law, 6 percent per year."


http://www.federalreserve.gov/faqs/about_14986.htm
nicholasjames Offline
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TMCTLT wrote:
I thought they already recieved this kind of training.....Whistle


i hear ya. but their about to take it to the nxt level.
Brewha Offline
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rfenst wrote:
[quote=Brewha]The idea of the OP is quaint. But even then it was more metaphor than fact. Today, the citizens can't even control their own currency - the private owners of the Fed control it, and I fear their control and ownership of us is much deeper than most would believe.

[quote]

I don't disagree:

"Who owns the Federal Reserve?

The Federal Reserve System fulfills its public mission as an independent entity within government. It is not "owned" by anyone and is not a private, profit-making institution.

As the nation's central bank, the Federal Reserve derives its authority from the Congress of the United States. It is considered an independent central bank because its monetary policy decisions do not have to be approved by the President or anyone else in the executive or legislative branches of government, it does not receive funding appropriated by the Congress, and the terms of the members of the Board of Governors span multiple presidential and congressional terms.

However, the Federal Reserve is subject to oversight by the Congress, which often reviews the Federal Reserve's activities and can alter its responsibilities by statute. Therefore, the Federal Reserve can be more accurately described as "independent within the government" rather than "independent of government."

The 12 regional Federal Reserve Banks, which were established by the Congress as the operating arms of the nation's central banking system, are organized similarly to private corporations--possibly leading to some confusion about "ownership." For example, the Reserve Banks issue shares of stock to member banks. However, owning Reserve Bank stock is quite different from owning stock in a private company. The Reserve Banks are not operated for profit, and ownership of a certain amount of stock is, by law, a condition of membership in the System. The stock may not be sold, traded, or pledged as security for a loan; dividends are, by law, 6 percent per year."


http://www.federalreserve.gov/faqs/about_14986.htm



In the past I have made statements and references to the “owners of this country”. And I would suppose they sound like I am a career dope smoker. But when you look into how the Fed was created and how it works, it has to make one wonder. There own web site states:

“The Federal Reserve System fulfills its public mission as an independent entity within government. It is not "owned" by anyone and is not a private, profit-making institution.”

Which is accurate information that is subterfuge.

They go on to explain that it is made up of Reserve Banks which issue stock to “member banks” (banking companies). While the Reserve Banks (us the taxpayers) are not operated for profit, the stock owners get 6% dividends by law. Here is the text:

“The Reserve Banks are not operated for profit, and ownership of a certain amount of stock is, by law, a condition of membership in the System. The stock may not be sold, traded, or pledged as security for a loan; dividends are, by law, 6 percent per year.”

So if your company owned this stock you would be getting 6% return no matter what. But you cannot buy stock. And good luck finding out who does own it.
rfenst Offline
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Brewha wrote:
In the past I have made statements and references to the “owners of this country”. And I would suppose they sound like I am a career dope smoker. But when you look into how the Fed was created and how it works, it has to make one wonder. There own web site states:

“The Federal Reserve System fulfills its public mission as an independent entity within government. It is not "owned" by anyone and is not a private, profit-making institution.”

Which is accurate information that is subterfuge.

They go on to explain that it is made up of Reserve Banks which issue stock to “member banks” (banking companies). While the Reserve Banks (us the taxpayers) are not operated for profit, the stock owners get 6% dividends by law. Here is the text:

“The Reserve Banks are not operated for profit, and ownership of a certain amount of stock is, by law, a condition of membership in the System. The stock may not be sold, traded, or pledged as security for a loan; dividends are, by law, 6 percent per year.”

So if your company owned this stock you would be getting 6% return no matter what. But you cannot buy stock. And good luck finding out who does own it.


The entire system is so complex and private/secret it blows the mind. Studied "Money, Banking and the Economy" (i.e The Fed System) in college. Despite being n advanced economics class, I am sure the PhD. professor didn't/couldn't fully fathom it all. Check out Wikipedia on the Fed, particularly the Member Bank System and how the Member Banks are organized and run.

IMO, here's the realty of it all in this world and country: there are no Democrats and Republicans; no liberals and conservatives; no real democracies and dictatorships; no educated and uneducated; etc;, etc.... just haves and have nots. Everything else is just idealistic "window dressing".
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Brewha wrote:
In the past I have made statements and references to the “owners of this country”. And I would suppose they sound like I am a career dope smoker. But when you look into how the Fed was created and how it works, it has to make one wonder. There own web site states:

“The Federal Reserve System fulfills its public mission as an independent entity within government. It is not "owned" by anyone and is not a private, profit-making institution.”

Which is accurate information that is subterfuge.

They go on to explain that it is made up of Reserve Banks which issue stock to “member banks” (banking companies). While the Reserve Banks (us the taxpayers) are not operated for profit, the stock owners get 6% dividends by law. Here is the text:

“The Reserve Banks are not operated for profit, and ownership of a certain amount of stock is, by law, a condition of membership in the System. The stock may not be sold, traded, or pledged as security for a loan; dividends are, by law, 6 percent per year.”

So if your company owned this stock you would be getting 6% return no matter what. But you cannot buy stock. And good luck finding out who does own it.


Remember last summer, when Ron Paul's HR409 (full audit of the Federal Reserve) was passed in the House by a 327 to 98 margin? Reid killed it in the Senate. I wonder why?

Broun is reintroducing it. Let's see how fast it gets killed this time.
HockeyDad Offline
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Brewha wrote:
Hate to say it but IMO they did not abolish slavery - they industrialized it.



Get back to work, prole.

whip
DrMaddVibe Offline
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Jekyll Island is so nice this time of the year.
Brewha Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
Get back to work, prole.

whip

Pass me the dog food . . . .
bloody spaniard Offline
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Abe Lincoln reminds me of Daniel Day Lewis.Bored
DrMaddVibe Offline
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"Owwww! That hurt!" - Abraham Lincoln
bloody spaniard Offline
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Where my nxgger driver at?! I'm late for my Emancipation speech. ~~~ Abe Lincoln
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"Habeas Corpus? We don't need that crap! Who's gonna argue with me? I have my own monument...I'm on the 5 dollar bill! I'm so baddass that on the penny I put my face and my monument on there because I COULD! I even have a real smooth pimp ride named after me too so line up and remove the Habeas from the Corpus or I will lay my vengance down upon thee!" - Abraham Lincoln
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