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DrafterX Offline
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Welfare recipients take out cash at strip clubs, liquor stores

Published January 06, 2013
New York PostThey’re on the dole — and watching the pole.



Welfare recipients took out cash at bars, liquor stores, X-rated video shops, hookah parlors and even strip clubs — where they presumaby
spent their taxpayer money on lap dances rather than diapers, a Post investigation found.


A database of 200 million Electronic Benefit Transfer records from January 2011 to July 2012, obtained by The Post through a Freedom of Information request, showed welfare recipients using their EBT cards to make dozens of cash withdrawals at ATMs inside Hank’s Saloon in Brooklyn; the Blue Door Video porn shop in the East Village; The Anchor, a sleek SoHo lounge; the Patriot Saloon in TriBeCa; and Drinks Galore, a liquor distributor in The Bronx.

The state Office of Temporary and Disability Assistance (OTDA), which oversees the “cash assistance program,” even lists some of these welfare-ready ATMs on its Web site.

One EBT machine is stationed inside Club Eleven, an infamous Hunts Point jiggle joint known as much for its violent history as its girls in pink thongs.

Cops have been cracking down on the Bronx club since 2009 and shut it down temporarily in 2010. In July, five men were stabbed and two others shot outside after bouncers broke up a 4 a.m. brawl with pepper spray. The club appeared to be shuttered when The Post visited Thursday.

Club Heat, another Bronx strip club that dispenses EBT cash, is also no stranger to violence. A 33-year-old woman was fatally shot in the head outside the club in December 2011.

Critics blasted the government for turning a blind eye to welfare’s sleazy money.

Film at 11.... Mad
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HEY! THERE ARE PEOPLE HURTING OUT THERE! THIS IS WHAT THEY CALL GOVERNMENT RELIEF. WHORES MAKE THEM FEEL BETTER!

Damn 1%er. Frying pan
rfenst Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
Welfare recipients take out cash at strip clubs, liquor stores

Published January 06, 2013
New York PostThey’re on the dole — and watching the pole.



Welfare recipients took out cash at bars, liquor stores, X-rated video shops, hookah parlors and even strip clubs — where they presumaby
spent their taxpayer money on lap dances rather than diapers, a Post investigation found.


A database of 200 million Electronic Benefit Transfer records from January 2011 to July 2012, obtained by The Post through a Freedom of Information request, showed welfare recipients using their EBT cards to make dozens of cash withdrawals at ATMs inside Hank’s Saloon in Brooklyn; the Blue Door Video porn shop in the East Village; The Anchor, a sleek SoHo lounge; the Patriot Saloon in TriBeCa; and Drinks Galore, a liquor distributor in The Bronx.

The state Office of Temporary and Disability Assistance (OTDA), which oversees the “cash assistance program,” even lists some of these welfare-ready ATMs on its Web site.

One EBT machine is stationed inside Club Eleven, an infamous Hunts Point jiggle joint known as much for its violent history as its girls in pink thongs.

Cops have been cracking down on the Bronx club since 2009 and shut it down temporarily in 2010. In July, five men were stabbed and two others shot outside after bouncers broke up a 4 a.m. brawl with pepper spray. The club appeared to be shuttered when The Post visited Thursday.

Club Heat, another Bronx strip club that dispenses EBT cash, is also no stranger to violence. A 33-year-old woman was fatally shot in the head outside the club in December 2011.

Critics blasted the government for turning a blind eye to welfare’s sleazy money.

Film at 11.... Mad


Hey, lots of strip joints have free buffets!

Seriously, it should be grocery stores only with zero cash withdrawal or cash back. Wonder if the above are just examples that amount to such a low proportion that enforcement is not cost-effective? I have a couple single clients who get around $60/month for food. Plenty of rice beans, potatoes and frozen discount meats.
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Hey, the downtrodden, long-suffering poor have to resort to sleazy strip clubs to get their jollies because the greedy rich took all the available high-class escorts.
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Think
I wonder if they will strip their benefits..?? Think
wheelrite Offline
#6 Posted:
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I think it's good ,,,

Pole Dancers deserve a bit of Obama $$$$
fiddler898 Offline
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They should be overbidding on cigars instead?
Brewha Offline
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Yeah, It’s the people on welfare that are ripping us off.
We could end all of this if we would just deregulate the banking industry.
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this could add up to hundreds of dollars a week!
in just many decades it could equal the bonuses taken out of the bail out money.

of course it is an outrage that this money be spent in this manner, but.....relax
Brewha Offline
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So, people on welfare should not squander their money. They should not go to strip clubs. They should not drink. They definitely should not waste money on smoking. If you wind-up on welfare, the benefits the government provides should also not be spent on junk food.

God help me that I get into a car accident, of suffer some other tragedy and need welfare to survive. No more playing bingo.

So would it be ok if I read Playboy if I bought old issues form the secondhand book store?
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Brewha wrote:
So, people on welfare should not squander their money. They should not go to strip clubs. They should not drink. They definitely should not waste money on smoking. If you wind-up on welfare, the benefits the government provides should also not be spent on junk food.

God help me that I get into a car accident, of suffer some other tragedy and need welfare to survive. No more playing bingo.

So would it be ok if I read Playboy if I bought old issues form the secondhand book store?

get a library card
victor809 Offline
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Not to ask the obvious... but how do we know the welfare recipients aren't working at these establishments as janitorial staff, or in a similar capacity?
rfenst Offline
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DadZilla3 wrote:
Hey, the downtrodden, long-suffering poor have to resort to sleazy strip clubs to get their jollies because the greedy rich took all the available high-class escorts.


Complian, complain, complain...
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victor809 wrote:
Not to ask the obvious... but how do we know the welfare recipients aren't working at these establishments as janitorial staff, or in a similar capacity?

Then why do they need welfare ?
pdxstogieman Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
Welfare recipients take out cash at strip clubs, liquor stores

Published January 06, 2013
New York PostThey’re on the dole — and watching the pole.


So, do you get all your hard news from the New York Post? That would explain much.
rfenst Offline
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Brewha wrote:
Yeah, It’s the people on welfare that are ripping us off.
We could end all of this if we would just deregulate the banking industry.


Like it really has any true 'regulation', oversight or control (of the its upper echelon0?

Anyhow, take away all the food stamps, government aid and welfare and we would just be buying resurrection and anarchy instead. Keeping the "downtrodden" in check provides a modicum of predicatable stability.
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Brewha wrote:
So, people on welfare should not squander their money. They should not go to strip clubs. They should not drink. They definitely should not waste money on smoking. If you wind-up on welfare, the benefits the government provides should also not be spent on junk food.

God help me that I get into a car accident, of suffer some other tragedy and need welfare to survive. No more playing bingo.

So would it be ok if I read Playboy if I bought old issues form the secondhand book store?


No. now get with the program: Once you become dependent, no matter what the circumstances or how short the dependency, you loose all right to control your life as you see fit!
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victor809 wrote:
Not to ask the obvious... but how do we know the welfare recipients aren't working at these establishments as janitorial staff, or in a similar capacity?


You already know the answer: they are all too lazy to work.
rfenst Offline
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dubleuhb wrote:
Then why do they need welfare ?


They don't. No one does. Ever.
wheelrite Offline
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rfenst wrote:
You already know the answer: they are all too lazy to work.


There is no such ting as a lazy Pole Dancer,,,
drywalldog Offline
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Right Wheel, Tony Romo is not lazy, oh wait, he is a pole smoker.
wheelrite Offline
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drywalldog wrote:
Right Wheel, Tony Romo is not lazy, oh wait, he is a pole smoker.


duuuuude,,,

Really ?
DrafterX Offline
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nobody ever thnks about the childrens.... Sad
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frankj1 wrote:
this could add up to hundreds of dollars a week!
in just many decades it could equal the bonuses taken out of the bail out money.

of course it is an outrage that this money be spent in this manner, but.....relax



this is just one of many forms of abuse.... there should be a law against it or somethin.... Mellow
HockeyDad Offline
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dolla dolla bill ya'll
dubleuhb Offline
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I suppose those down on there luck need a little stimulation from time to time.

Wait a minute, I see a correlation here, they go to the tata bar then go home and throw one in the old lady, presto ! in 9 months we have another dependent. BRILLIANT!!!
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dubleuhb wrote:
Then why do they need welfare ?


So the strip club can continue paying them below a "living" wage, and pass the savings on to you... duh.

Nothing in life is free. You want cheapest goods and services, then all the people involved in the delivery of these goods and services will get squeezed. you squeeze them enough, and some other people are going to start suggesting they need assistance. Then your money is taken away to help them...
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America...makin' it rain since the Big Deal!Applause Frying pan Frying pan Frying pan
rfenst Offline
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dubleuhb wrote:
I suppose those down on there luck need a little stimulation from time to time.

Wait a minute, I see a correlation here, they go to the tata bar then go home and throw one in the old lady, presto ! in 9 months we have another dependent. BRILLIANT!!!


Shouldn't ever happen if we just sterilize all recipients.
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victor809 wrote:
So the strip club can continue paying them below a "living" wage, and pass the savings on to you... duh.

Nothing in life is free. You want cheapest goods and services, then all the people involved in the delivery of these goods and services will get squeezed. you squeeze them enough, and some other people are going to start suggesting they need assistance. Then your money is taken away to help them...

Get a second job...duh


Just easier to sponge of the rest, so much better than a bit of dignity.
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rfenst wrote:
Shouldn't ever happen if we just sterilize all recipients.

Unfortunately, not a politically viable solution.
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DrafterX wrote:
this is just one of many forms of abuse.... there should be a law against it or somethin.... Mellow

there are many forms of abuse, they do add up, tis true. but i keep reading we have enough laws.
DrafterX Offline
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There're prolly rules at least against this... these people breaking these rules either don't need the help or they're depriving kids... but whatta ya gonna do..?? Huh
rfenst Offline
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DadZilla3 wrote:
Unfortunately, not a politically viable solution.


Terrible social and political precedent as well. Who would be next? An then, who after that?...
DrafterX Offline
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It's like the $500 purse purchases with the Katrina cards... seems like there was fraud when applying for aid to me... Mellow
rfenst Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
It's like the $500 purse purchases with the Katrina cards... seems like there was fraud when applying for aid to me... Mellow


Maybe all the katrina aid wasn't solely need based?

Anyhow, there will always be graft and impropriety. The real issue id the cost to the rest of us. Some wrongs and business options just are not worth the time and money to pursue. As an example, the IRS goes after a much higher percentage of tax "irregularities" the greater the "irregularity"and the higher the income level of the individual. Why? The effort has a greater chance in ending up with a larger collection sooner. sometimes it is more profitable to just move on and not look back.
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Yet oddly, the media keeps directing our attention to the outrage of the poor stealing.

And in keeping with the oddness, we seem to love it . . .
rfenst Offline
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Brewha wrote:
Yet oddly, the media keeps directing our attention to the outrage of the poor stealing.

And in keeping with the oddness, we seem to love it . . .


Maybe its just a socio-cultural-emotional thing- not an economically rational business decision. When one can point at others' economic or moral failing, one tends to feel better about themself.
DadZilla3 Offline
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Brewha wrote:
Yet oddly, the media keeps directing our attention to the outrage of the poor stealing.

Probably because most people couldn't comprehend the magnitude of the amount of money the Wall Street banksters are stealing.
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DadZilla3 wrote:
Probably because most people couldn't comprehend the magnitude of the amount of money the Wall Street banksters are stealing.

correct sir, that's what I was kidding about in #9.
rfenst Offline
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DadZilla3 wrote:
Probably because most people couldn't comprehend the magnitude of the amount of money the Wall Street banksters are stealing.


"The media" doesn't know it or understand it either. None of us really do. It is complex beyond belief and most people's ability to understand the complexities.

IMO, sad as it may ideally seem, this is simple human nature. there are haves and there are have nots. The haves keep the have nots in check and everything goes fairly smoothly for a long time- with a few bumps in the road.

I do not think there is a single economic system in the world that isn't grossly corrupt. I don't think one will ever exist. Wall Street is the world's banker as well. All the players are in on it and we cannot beat them. Money and time ALWAYS wins.

i try not to worry about it or let it bother me and instead just focus on bettering my economic position. i find it more productive and much less disappointing. I could fight and complain and vote all the different ways others do and i just don't think it will make any real difference.
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rfenst wrote:
"The media" doesn't know it or understand it either. None of us really do. It is complex beyond belief and most people's ability to understand the complexities.

Very true. For me, I recommend a couple of excellent documentaries and one dramatization that helped me at least begin to understand the political and economic dynamics of what has been going on 'behind the curtain' on Wall Street and Washington:

PBS Frontline: The Warning
'Long before the economic meltdown, one woman tried to warn about the threat to the financial system'
http://video.pbs.org/video/1302794657/#

PBS Frontline: Inside the Meltdown
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/meltdown/view/

HBO movies: Too Big to Fail
http://www.hbo.com/movies/too-big-to-fail/index.html
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Brewha wrote:
Yet oddly, the media keeps directing our attention to the outrage of the poor stealing.

And in keeping with the oddness, we seem to love it . . .




Outrage is best when properly directed.
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rfenst wrote:
"The media" doesn't know it or understand it either. None of us really do. It is complex beyond belief and most people's ability to understand the complexities.

IMO, sad as it may ideally seem, this is simple human nature. there are haves and there are have nots. The haves keep the have nots in check and everything goes fairly smoothly for a long time- with a few bumps in the road.

I do not think there is a single economic system in the world that isn't grossly corrupt. I don't think one will ever exist. Wall Street is the world's banker as well. All the players are in on it and we cannot beat them. Money and time ALWAYS wins.

i try not to worry about it or let it bother me and instead just focus on bettering my economic position. i find it more productive and much less disappointing. I could fight and complain and vote all the different ways others do and i just don't think it will make any real difference.



Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you


It's not complex. Centralized banking is a criminal empire. Making money out of nothing, erasing wealth chasing inflation or creating bubbles for an over inflated market aren't hard to understand. When someone or something isn't willing to be compliant or transparent it's because there's a crime going on. Doesn't matter who either.

As for the "media"...They KNOW. They're compliant and getting paid to shut their yaps...create more reality tv for the masses and report deflection! "Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!"...just tune in for another episode of Jersey Shore and read all about Kim Kardashian's big ass.

The stuff Dadzilla put up is all stellar stuff.

Websites like...

http://www.zerohedge.com

http://www.financialsense.com

Will give you the information the paid off media conglomerates WON'T!


There won't be any effective change until the whole damn thing crashes down. Watching the filthy rich cling to "theirs" and their powerbase is what should be on tv. Expose them. The Gary Winnick's, Warren Buffet's and Mark Hurd's of the world...grabbing with both hands making their shady quid pro quo deals. Getting away with stuff that the average citizen doesn't even dare dream about doing while crafting legislation to line their pockets with a corrupt political system gets theirs too!

Rinse, Lather...REPEAT.

There won't be any real change until it implodes on the debt it created. Ever been to Vegas and see a guy that's had a real bad run? Wiped out. Thinks he can make it all back or take the loss slighter if only he had more dough. Sells his watch...cufflinks...oh the pawn shops are littered with the stuff...say...more much see tv..tune into "Pawn Stars"! The jokes just write themselves...anyways, back to the gambler...runs his credit cards up to the max, maybe takes out new ones...sells the car, the house the kids so he can go back in there and break the house. He's gonna git his! Only he doesn't. There's a reason why The Strip is littered with massive hotels, shows, buffets and everything under the sun...except the sun. They want it ALL. They want that person to come back in crawling so they can take EVERYTHING and then throw them out the door. Same for Centralized banking. The Federal Reserve is the most criminal of enterprises that I'm really surprised we haven't heard real mobsters running rackets say they wish they'd gone into a life of banking in any sort of testimony! I believe that the system hasn't completely fallen down yet because the filthy rich haven't completely secured an exit strategy where they get to keep everything they have. They have NO problem with you or me getting a haircut. They just like the "stuff".

As for taking care of you and yours...that's ALL you can do. Live as debt free as possible. Don't be a slave to debt. They HATE that. Take care of your family and teach them the same. Let them try to set up the next generation and tell us Camelot.


PS: Even with all of those fine documentaries...written articles like what Rolling Stone had and all of the information we now know about how the bailouts, buyouts and gimmie gimmies were just a massive swindle on the American taxpayer...nobody has gone to jail. No money recovered. Think it's going to change any time soon? The meter is running.
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Funny but I’m still thinking about some poor guy spending the last of his welfare in a sleazy den of iniquity. Smoking his Basic cigarettes on what is left of his last good lung, while some trollop named Mercedes prattles on about her life and her need to sell more lap dances. There his sits, continually to dwindle in the twilight realm of his own secret thoughts . . . .
rfenst Offline
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Brewha wrote:
Funny but I’m still thinking about some poor guy spending the last of his welfare in a sleazy den of iniquity. Smoking his Basic cigarettes on what is left of his last good lung, while some trollop named Mercedes prattles on about her life and her need to sell more lap dances. There his sits, continually to dwindle in the twilight realm of his own secret thoughts . . . .


Yeah, but Wall Streat is keeping him down!
DrafterX Offline
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I saw Mercedes' boobs once..... Mellow
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This is nothing new. Here in MA they have been doing it for years and its all legal. They even busted a guy who used it to get cash to try to bail his buddy out of jail. The state government stepped up this past summer to crack down on the abuse by banning MA EBT card use at places like casino’s, cruise ships, liquor stores, adult entertainment venues, firearms dealers… They still can use them for the purchase of “individual items” like tattoos, guns, jewelry, getting your nails done….

Oh, they still use them at ATM machines to take out cash.

Liquor store clerk: “Sorry, you can’t use that card here anymore.”
EBT Card guy: “Really? Oh Snap! Be right back, I’ll hit the ATM.”
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BuckyB93 wrote:
This is nothing new. Here in MA they have been doing it for years and its all legal. They even busted a guy who used it to get cash to try to bail his buddy out of jail. The state government stepped up this past summer to crack down on the abuse by banning MA EBT card use at places like casino’s, cruise ships, liquor stores, adult entertainment venues, firearms dealers… They still can use them for the purchase of “individual items” like tattoos, guns, jewelry, getting your nails done….

Oh, they still use them at ATM machines to take out cash.

Liquor store clerk: “Sorry, you can’t use that card here anymore.”
EBT Card guy: “Really? Oh Snap! Be right back, I’ll hit the ATM.”

It's only fair, after all. Just because they don't earn their own money, that doesn't mean they shouldn't have the right to spend someone else's.
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BuckyB93 wrote:


Oh, they still use them at ATM machines to take out cash.

Liquor store clerk: “Sorry, you can’t use that card here anymore.”
EBT Card guy: “Really? Oh Snap! Be right back, I’ll hit the ATM.”


Be right back? Screw that!

The store owner should just put one of those privately owned ATM machines at the back of his store and charge a fee of as much as $2.50. That's what I'd do- it is much easier than inconveniencing the customer to run out and drive around to another ATM machine. The customers would appreciate my thoughtfulness.
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