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According to the Alan Guttmacher Institute, black women are more than 5 times as likely as white women to have an abortion

On average, 1,876 black babies are aborted every day in the United States.

This incidence of abortion has resulted in a tremendous loss of life. It has been estimated that since 1973 Black women have had about 16 million abortions. Michael Novak had calculated "Since the number of current living Blacks (in the U.S.) is 36 million, the missing 16 million represents an enormous loss, for without abortion, America's Black community would now number 52 million persons. It would be 36 percent larger than it is. Abortion has swept through the Black community like a scythe, cutting down every fourth member."


I think not...

wheel,

It is a very sad situation...

or,
promote a family unit amongst Blacks...

That would solve the problem completely...
no need to give out rubbers at someobe eles's expense ,only responsible Mom's and Dad's...

The flaw in your thinking is Give Give Give,,,


and never athought of the precious life like that was sucked from a womb..

Not that this is any sort of definitive statement on what King would think, but slaves frequently killed their own babies rather than see them taken away and sold essentially as livestock into the same hellish life that they endured.

I'm not even gonna touch this one..

+1.

I would have to say that he absolutely would not support any form of abortion.

I agree he wouldn't take it away from woman to decide. He was fighting for equal rights. It is a womans right to decide to carry a child.

I personally think some kids are better off. There are too many kids growing up poor, being abused, or being taken from their homes and put in foster care. I think a woman shouldn't be allowed to have a child unless she can provide for it, protect it, and raise it properly.

I think there's entirely too much projection on what a deceased man would be doing right now.

the most fundamental right of woman??? to murder her baby??? ur out ur mind.

the liberals the modernists invent so called rights. the right to kill ur baby.

smh.

Totally on a side note, I think this happens.

They have found female sharks which will have babies while kept in isolation.
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=3203684

The baby shark had only a contribution from the mother's DNA (probably some recombination, but essentially a clone of the mother).

I've always suspected that this does in fact occur rarely in other species, but because we aren't really keeping them in single-sex isolation in a large enough quantity we would never know, or think to test.

I even suspect there is a chance it happens in humans (extraordinarily rarely of course) but because we aren't in the habit of keeping humans in isolation, we don't have much opportunity to see it. If a woman says there's no chance she had sex, we would assume she's lying. Hell, I'd assume she's lying.

But... if it can happen in sharks, you have to wonder if it's occurred in humans. Now, I've always assumed the biblical text was just about some woman who got knocked up out of wedlock and didn't want to tell anyone. But there's a chance it actually occurred (through natural means, not "divine").

Aren't laws against killing, stealing, rape, etc., based on religion too? We're just highly evolved animals, right? Look at the animal kingdom. Stronger animals all the time kill weaker animals that they find a threat to their food supply or territory. Survival of the fittest, right? Yet we're the only animals who think that killing others of our kind is wrong. Why do we think that, if not due to the religious teachings that have permeated and molded society?

Isn't it about time we stop burdening society with the outdated religious beliefs of others, allow folks to follow their natural animal instincts, and kill, steal, etc., with impunity?

Total absurdity, but sometimes absurdity is needed to make a point.

Someone who is willing to think critically, might suggest that the religious commandments against killing/stealing were based on societal/governing needs and created to keep people in line and obedient.

An even more observant person would note that rape laws have very little to do with religion, since just following biblical laws would allow you to rape under specific circumstances without any repercussions.

Just because the Bible records incidences of rape, sometimes committed by those who claimed to be followers of God, does not prove that Biblical law permitted it, nor that God ever condoned such a heinous act. Many times rapists where killed for committing such crimes.

I may be behind on my religious text, but if I recall correctly (and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) the bible states that after marriage the man can have sex with his wife whenever he wants. This would be considered rape under today's definitions.

In addition, a simple internet search will give you a list of chapters in which the forcible "marriage" of any women (after you've killed their families) is encouraged/instructed. I don't think that this could be defined as anything other than rape in current definitions.

You can call it a sin.
Others can interpret it differently. This isn't a theological argument, and one of the reasons I firmly believe religion shouldn't be involved in law. The final arbiter of any "sin" is conveniently absent. Which leads us to the second point...



In at least one passage it was actually instructed by god.
"But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you."

"When you go out to war against your enemies and the LORD, your God, delivers them into your hand, so that you take captives, if you see a comely woman among the captives and become so enamored of her that you wish to have her as wife, you may take her home to your house. "

"Lo, a day shall come for the Lord when the spoils shall be divided in your midst. And I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle: the city shall be taken, houses plundered, women ravished; half of the city shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be removed from the city"

These seem like instructions to me....

That's valid. But it significantly changes your original statement "Why do we think that, if not due to the religious teachings that have permeated and molded society"

You can believe that the common morality which causes societies to form laws comes from a deity if it better fits with your personal religious beliefs. I generally draw the line at adding any specific religious texts/teachings/whatever to the laws themselves, since that gets really messy.

Hey... I've got no problem with a religion having a little "fire and brimstone"... I don't even particularly blame the bible for having passages like that in it. no skin off my back... I just wanted to point out that the bible gives a bit of wiggle room on what we would consider "rape" in the modern world.

I think it reinforces the idea that our laws as they exist in the modern world can't be attributed solely to a religion. We as a society have decided that some things are unacceptable, based on a moral consensus within our society. these things are different than what was considered "acceptable" 2000 years ago. If religion were actually the basis of our laws, things would be different, and not necessarily better.

It’s all good – on to the issue;

I do not despise religion. In fact I have come to respect our need of it. And while in the hands of a few it does more damage than good, we will always have our religions. They are required.

But I assert that in order to properly classify legal abortion as murder, you must resort to religious grounds. One cannot do it with logic or science. You have to bring the soul into play or even the will of God – these are tenants of faith.
And it is for this reason that the law should not interfere.

I love it when middle to late aged, middle to upper class white guys tell others how to live their lives. So entertaining.

Wheel, if your sole motivation was to stop abortions, then you would be willing to do, or give anything to make it happen. Money, condoms, morning after whatever. But your stance smacks of hidden agenda. Live your life brother the best way you can and let others try to do the same.

People disagreeing with me is nothing new. But you make a fair point about criminalizing it on moral grounds. This is what we have done with many things, from prostitution and pot. But that is different than classifying it as murder proper.

As ugly as abortion is, I think women have a right to control their reproductive organs, be the case accident or rape, it is their body to control – at least to a point. I think anything in the 1st trimester is a clearly their call. After that thing are not so clear.