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victor809 Offline
#1 Posted: Tue, Feb 5 2013, 9:57 AM EST
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I've always had a deep dislike for the bans against plastic bags, or the taxes.
Now I feel justified.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-02-04/the-disgusting-consequences-of-liberal-plastic-bag-bans.html
DrafterX Offline
#2 Posted: Tue, Feb 5 2013, 10:04 AM EST
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we should be using hemp bags.... Mellow
DrafterX Offline
#3 Posted: Tue, Feb 5 2013, 10:08 AM EST
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I recentely puchased a cup of coffee on da beach in St Petersburg to take with me on a walk.... when I asked the lady were the lids were she informed me they were bad for the enviroment.. when I asked her how I was suppose to walk with hot coffee she got very rude and stuff.. like I was the one that threw the coffee lid on the beach that killed the starfish... she was F'n nuts... Mellow
Nicar Offline
#4 Posted: Tue, Feb 5 2013, 10:15 AM EST
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What will the boy scouts use on their community clean ups outside Chick Fil A?
HockeyDad Offline
#5 Posted: Tue, Feb 5 2013, 10:24 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
we should be using hemp bags.... Mellow



...Then people would starve.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#6 Posted: Tue, Feb 5 2013, 10:30 AM EST
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When will the White House release a photo of the President using a plastic bag?

They can have my plastic bags when they pry them from my cold dead hands!
DrMaddVibe Offline
#7 Posted: Tue, Feb 5 2013, 10:31 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
I recentely puchased a cup of coffee on da beach in St Petersburg to take with me on a walk.... when I asked the lady were the lids were she informed me they were bad for the enviroment.. when I asked her how I was suppose to walk with hot coffee she got very rude and stuff.. like I was the one that threw the coffee lid on the beach that killed the starfish... she was F'n nuts... Mellow



Sorry...that's Scientology for ya!
Gonz
victor809 Offline
#8 Posted: Tue, Feb 5 2013, 10:58 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
I recentely puchased a cup of coffee on da beach in St Petersburg to take with me on a walk.... when I asked the lady were the lids were she informed me they were bad for the enviroment.. when I asked her how I was suppose to walk with hot coffee she got very rude and stuff.. like I was the one that threw the coffee lid on the beach that killed the starfish... she was F'n nuts... Mellow


I'm assuming that by "bad for the environment" she was referring to the production or the landfilling of them, not littering. Either way tho, it's bad form not to let the customer themselves decide whether they want to use a lid. If she felt so strongly about it, she could have supplied more environmentally friendly lids and put a sign above them telling you how bad they are for the environment and to only use it if you need it.
victor809 Offline
#9 Posted: Tue, Feb 5 2013, 10:59 AM EST
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Nicar wrote:
What will the boy scouts use on their community clean ups outside Chick Fil A?


didn't you hear, boy scouts are gay now. They only do condom clean ups at the bath houses.

Definitely plastic for that.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#10 Posted: Tue, Feb 5 2013, 11:19 AM EST
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victor809 wrote:
I'm assuming that by "bad for the environment" she was referring to the production or the landfilling of them, not littering. Either way tho, it's bad form not to let the customer themselves decide whether they want to use a lid. If she felt so strongly about it, she could have supplied more environmentally friendly lids and put a sign above them telling you how bad they are for the environment and to only use it if you need it.




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z6joker9 Offline
#11 Posted: Tue, Feb 5 2013, 11:30 AM EST
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It's the same argument with paper/foam cups vs ceramic mugs and bottled water vs reusable bottles. Heck even the benefits of recycling could be debated. People just want to feel like they are doing good, regardless of the actual results.
tailgater Offline
#12 Posted: Tue, Feb 5 2013, 1:18 PM EST
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I use my re-usable tote with a disposible plastic liner for sanitary purposes.
victor809 Offline
#13 Posted: Tue, Feb 5 2013, 2:05 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
I use my re-usable tote with a disposible plastic liner for sanitary purposes.





snicker....
z6joker9 Offline
#14 Posted: Tue, Feb 5 2013, 2:19 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
snicker....
tegulator Offline
#15 Posted: Tue, Feb 5 2013, 10:06 PM EST
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I like those new dark chocolate Snickers.
delarob Offline
#16 Posted: Thu, Feb 7 2013, 2:53 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
like I was the one that threw the coffee lid on the beach that killed the starfish... she was F'n nuts... Mellow


Starfish drink coffee? Mellow
DrMaddVibe Offline
#17 Posted: Thu, Feb 7 2013, 3:05 PM EST
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This just in from the newsdesk...Wink...over to you!


Wink: Trouble in America, a calamity wrapped in danger with a scream for the precious environment. Good evening I'm Wink McFinkerstein and tonight's story brings us to Georgetown. A very happy place. A man's man kind of town, a village where men are men and rubby is the sport they play. These enterprising young lads have come up with an Earth saving device that will change the world! Instead of throwing these bags away they're turning these into enviro-friendly breathing apparatus. Here's Bruce Whispy to demonstrate.

Bruce: Well, itss a really nice idea and the whole rubby team came up with it after a very good scrum, hot sweaty men rubbing their bodies all over each other. Pushing and shoving and pushing some more...

Wink: Uh, ummm Bruce...the idea you had?

Bruce: Oh, where are my manners, yes that. Oh well you see dearie you just take the old bag and tie it around your head. If it has holes it's not going to work you have to have a tight seal and we all know how I just love a tight seal! Ohhh...the whole thing works like magic if you take a belt and wrap it around your neck so the bag is nice and snug all over your head. Once that's done you can tie the belt as tight as possible. Remember girls...the tighter the better! That's all you have to do! Sometime I put talc or bath salts in the bag right before I toss it over my head to get the fresh feeling.

Wink: And there you have it. I'm Wink McFinkerstein and that was The Man About Town news!


Well, all right...thanks Wink for that little segment...say...you don't ever see that idea flying do ya?
DrafterX Offline
#18 Posted: Thu, Feb 7 2013, 3:22 PM EST
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delarob wrote:
Starfish drink coffee? Mellow


they don't drink it but if their not careful a steaming hot cup might get spilled on them... Mellow
wheelrite Offline
#19 Posted: Thu, Feb 7 2013, 7:35 PM EST
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The only thing Plastic Bags are really good for is weed and coke,,,
kyman84 Offline
#20 Posted: Thu, Feb 7 2013, 7:47 PM EST
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^^^ glass jars are better

Here in Seattle, we recently passed a law that banned stores from giving out thin plastic grocery bags, and put a 5 cent tax on paper bags. I have always a refused bags when I didn't need them anyhow, but I thought this law was going to be a pain. Now that its been in place for a while, I don't mind it. When I remember, I bring my own bag, otherwise I pay 5 cents. Not a big deal to me. I see way more people bringing in their own bag now, even though its only 5 cents, and I think it's probably a good thing. I didn't look at your link to see the down side, but maybe I will when I get home.
tailgater Offline
#21 Posted: Thu, Feb 7 2013, 8:01 PM EST
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kyman84 wrote:
^^^ glass jars are better

Here in Seattle, we recently passed a law that banned stores from giving out thin plastic grocery bags, and put a 5 cent tax on paper bags. I have always a refused bags when I didn't need them anyhow, but I thought this law was going to be a pain. Now that its been in place for a while, I don't mind it. When I remember, I bring my own bag, otherwise I pay 5 cents. Not a big deal to me. I see way more people bringing in their own bag now, even though its only 5 cents, and I think it's probably a good thing. I didn't look at your link to see the down side, but maybe I will when I get home.


Poof!
Now you're part of the problem.

Just because you are able to accommodate the government regulation, doesn't mean it's a worthy endeavor.

Plastic bags use LESS energy to recycle than does that "green" paper bag.
Single use plastic bags are more sanitary. Remember, we're often dealing with raw meat products at the market.
Or if you use the "Truly Green" alternative and bring your own grocery purse (reusable shopping bag), you may be putting your vegetables in the same sack that you brought home last weeks toilet cleaner and ant spray.


I don't begrudge anyone for using a reusable sack. But to willingly accept a liberal agenda because it's "no big deal" when the facts of the real impact are not even known is foolhardy at best.
wheelrite Offline
#22 Posted: Thu, Feb 7 2013, 9:14 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Poof!
Now you're part of the problem.

Just because you are able to accommodate the government regulation, doesn't mean it's a worthy endeavor.

Plastic bags use LESS energy to recycle than does that "green" paper bag.
Single use plastic bags are more sanitary. Remember, we're often dealing with raw meat products at the market.
Or if you use the "Truly Green" alternative and bring your own grocery purse (reusable shopping bag), you may be putting your vegetables in the same sack that you brought home last weeks toilet cleaner and ant spray.


I don't begrudge anyone for using a reusable sack. But to willingly accept a liberal agenda because it's "no big deal" when the facts of the real impact are not even known is foolhardy at best.



I always ask for Paper Bags at the grocery,,,

More stuff goes in one and they don't flop over in the car,,,
victor809 Offline
#23 Posted: Thu, Feb 7 2013, 10:05 PM EST
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I don't see it as a "problem" or a particular issue... but it is interesting how this has unintended consequences.

I mean, 98.2% of all people are lazy. So the more municipalities push customers towards reusable bags (either through taxes or bans) the more people will use re-usable bags. These are people who would likely not think to wash them (I've never washed a reusable bag, and I've carried my deli food, which I eat directly without heating), which means we will increase the spread of any diseases or fungus associated with food-stuffs.

I've always personally preferred just using plastic bags and then recycling them as trash-bags. That makes them essentially a zero impact, since you don't buy the trash bags for use. But oh well...
tailgater Offline
#24 Posted: Fri, Feb 8 2013, 10:43 AM EST
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victor809 wrote:
I don't see it as a "problem" or a particular issue... but it is interesting how this has unintended consequences.

I mean, 98.2% of all people are lazy. So the more municipalities push customers towards reusable bags (either through taxes or bans) the more people will use re-usable bags. These are people who would likely not think to wash them (I've never washed a reusable bag, and I've carried my deli food, which I eat directly without heating), which means we will increase the spread of any diseases or fungus associated with food-stuffs.

I've always personally preferred just using plastic bags and then recycling them as trash-bags. That makes them essentially a zero impact, since you don't buy the trash bags for use. But oh well...


The "problem" I see is a government mandated ban.
Misinformation, lies and half-truths all too often have significant impact in the long term.

Back around 1989 there was a company called Plastics Again. They built a business model on recycling polystyrene waste from fast food joints. This included the foamed cups, foamed containers, lids, utensils, straws, virtually everything that wasn't a paper napkin or foiled ketchup packet.
They started putting special trash bins in the local McDonalds.
Then McDonalds corporate decided to cave in to the Green movement for PR reasons. I say for PR reasons, because even the CEO of McDonalds at the time went on recorded admitting it wasn't a decision based on environmental impact. Just PR.

If you're a share holder in McDonalds, that was a good thing.
If you understand capitalism, then you know in order to grow a business you need to make money. With McDonalds pulling out of the PS Recycling waste stream, those backing Plastics Again realized it was only a matter of time before other fast food joints did as well.
So it closed shop.

Life is full of what-ifs, but as a senior studying plastics engineering, this company had a great opportunity because their model eliminated the most difficult part of post consumer recycling: the sorting.
All the collected trash was a form of polystyrene. It simply needed to be cleaned and reprocessed.

This wasn't a failure of government intervention like the plastic bag bans. But it shows how public perception can shape policies, rather than letting the facts speak for themselves.

rant off
Buckwheat Offline
#25 Posted: Fri, Feb 8 2013, 10:47 AM EST
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Ban all bags. Carry your chit on your head like they did in the good old days. fog
carpenter69 Offline
#26 Posted: Fri, Feb 8 2013, 12:31 PM EST
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I recycle my toilet paper and tissues. Which explains all the paper cuts on my face and ass.
JadeRose Offline
#27 Posted: Sun, Feb 10 2013, 10:56 AM EST
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tailgater wrote:
I use my re-usable tote with a disposible plastic liner for sanitary purposes.







You $hit in a bag?
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